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Below you will find messages from other researchers looking for their Womack ancestors, people announcing reunions, people saying hello, etc. If you have information that can help please post a reply using the Post a Message form. If you want to contact the submitter, click on their email address to send them an email. If they provided a home page when they posted their message, you can click on the URL to check it out.

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To Frank Hubbard. I just read your post. I haven't been reading WGN posts daily since I haven't wanted to read all the extra garbage to find the good posts. I don't understand the high tech everyone is talking about to get rid of the garbage, but I am behind the getting rid of it. Frank, please send to me at my new email your snail mail address so I can mail you what little data that I have. I am always glad to share. Sorry I'm so late in reading your post. Doretta

Thursday, March 23, 2006 at 08:57:08 (PST)
Sandi Phillips
sphillips@tucsonairport.org

Well I must be doing something wrong because it won't let me sign-in on google, I keep getting the run around about my password.....

Wednesday, March 22, 2006 at 20:42:01 (PST)
Sam
podunk@holler.com

Darrell and Judy
I didnt have anything to do with the new page -- that was Mark andRog, but thanks!!

Good evening. I would like to touch base with someone from my Birth Family.
Her Name:ElizabethAnne Walters Womack. She lived in Vallejo,Cal. in 1946 married Billy Jo Womack in the Fall of that year.
Any Family member is welcome to e-mail me at anytime.
I will gladly respond to all Womack or Walters Families.
Sincerely, Barbara

Wednesday, March 22, 2006 at 16:33:58 (PST)
Darrel and Judy Womack
jwma @ comcast. net

We just signed up at google wgn. Looks like we might be able to beat the unwanted postings.

Thanks Roger, Mark, and Sam, you guys are the best thing that ever happened to WGN

Judy

Mark,
Robert Burke's suggestions sound like good solutions for the garbage problem.
Since he has offered to help implement the needed changes, please consider his offer. What ever you decide, WGN is a great resource. Thanks for your efforts!

Fred & Judy Womack

Tuesday, March 21, 2006 at 20:24:06 (PST)
Mark Womack
markwomack@womacknet.com

Hi All,

In response to the recent spam postings and to modernize the features of our message page, Roger and I have created a group discussion on Google Groups. You have to become a member of Google Groups in order to actually post a message (though anyone can read and search the archive) and you can use your existing email address (so you don't have to create yet another email address to use it). In addition, you can set up your account to read the messages on the web and/or get messages via email. And it's Google, so all messages are archived and searchable.

Anyway, this is a trial setup. We would like to have your opinions as to whether we should switch over to it for the official WGN message/discussion page. You can access it via this url:

http://groups.google.com/group/wgn-discuss

thanks,
-Mark

Tuesday, March 21, 2006 at 14:02:09 (PST)
Caveman Jack
oldcave@home

Robert
I aggree with you that most of this is a spider crawling the web. The program has infiltrated other message boards on the web also. Several blog sites are effected also and we are not the only ones complaining. Some blog sites are now doing the password bit and like you say it's a mess to contend with. As you are aware that ALL e-mail addys on the WGN have been compromised by collector programs and the same solution you suggest for the message board will work for them as well. E mail bots work on web pages because as you say the spiders are not designed to read an encoded photo only a valid e mail address. I once suggested that members omit something or added a space in their posted adress because this fools the program with false info. We would all have to aggree as to what we would do. I used a GIF for my e mail addy when I last had a web page up.
Made the mistake of putting my correct addy on my first web page and it took me months to get rid of the spam. I for one do not want my e mail address floating around the entire web. The truth is the web is becoming a melting pot of morons and idots that try to implant their trash whereever they find a chink in a program.
To those that have web pages there are programs to hide your e mail addys and there are programs that prevent others from hijacking your domain. If you own a domain check with your hosting for guard against this. Hey it happens every day.
Jack

To follow up on the abuse of the WGN message board, I found an interesting article that describes the problem:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blog_spam

This abuse has several names such as "link spam", "blog spam", etc.

Regarding the vandalizing of the WGN web site with dozens of posts that have nothing to do with Womack genealogy -

This is probably not being done directly by a human being, but by a computer program (called "spiders") which looks for "unprotected" boards and then the program posts whatever garbage the program's writer wants. This guy is probably posting thousands of messages on many different boards, which means he is probably not doing it manually.

There are a few ways to defeat such programs. One is to password protect the site. In other words, a person has to log on with a password in order to post, but they do not need a password to read. This solution is probably the best for stopping garbage posts, but it creates a lot of administrative headaches.

An easier way to defeat the program is to have picture of something on the "Post a Message" page, and a box next to it labled "What is shown in this picture?" where the person who wants to post types in what the picture is. For example, have a small picture of a cat. Unless the person types "cat" in the box next to the picture, they cannot post (this can be done with a little bit of script code to validate the data from the form). This works because a computer program does not "see" a picture in the same way a human does. Just change the picture every couple weeks in case the person who wrote the program notices that his program does not work with this board any more.

Another way to stop garbage posts is to have the validation script code search the message body for the word "Womack" (or some valid variation thereof) and not let the user post if their message has nothing to do with Womack genealogy.

I am a computer programmer and I know how to do this stuff, so I can provide the code needed to fix the "Post a Message" page, just let me know.

This should stop most garbage posts that are really coming from programs, and not people.

Tuesday, March 21, 2006 at 10:57:31 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee @ msn.com

Thanks Rog!!!
Hope it stays clean for awhile....A lot os us have done reporting to appropriate government and law enforcement acencies--now anyone got the addy for InterPol??

Tuesday, March 21, 2006 at 08:45:47 (PST)
Roger Womack
wgnwebmaster@womacknet.com

Forgive me for not being on top of these postings. I have removed them and I will bring all the archives up to date as soon as possible. I need to go through and edit all of them. Mar 2005 - Dec 2005 will be in the Archives soon.
The new message page starts Jan 2006. Thanks, Roger.

This is for Doretta Noland. Doretta, I saw an old posting of your,s that mentioned the John & Sally Hubbard family. I am descended from them through Richard, who married Patsy Jones. Would really like to exchange information with you.
Best Everm
Frank Hubard

Sam, Caveman Jack, & list: This morning I sent another complaint to the FTC. Now
I await a response. I plan to send another one tomorrow. Bob

Atta boy Caveman, I traced one to Madrid Spain. Idiot using proxy servers to hide true IP - perhaps we should go after the proxy server people that allow these criminals to exist. Everyone that uses this regularoly should file complaints, some of us already have -- people like this think they cannot be found - but those cyber tracer guys for law enforcement agencies got some a
lot slicker than these will ever be...Ole Beffy-Poo has already reported to her FBI son...so wheels are rolling...

I would suggest you felons cease and desist unless your next few years are without privilege of a computer -- perhaps the rest of your life..

NOTICE:
To those who are engaged in malicious and illegal posting to the WGN message board. YOU are engaged in BANDWIDTH THEFT an illegal act that is a felony and can and will be punishable by law. Your post, some concerning porn sites and others doing advertising have all been reported to the proper authorities in respect to their content.
You are asked to cease immediately before legal action becomes necessary. The WGN message board is for exchange of genealogical information of the members only.
Wherein WGN is a copyrighted publication the Message Board is a part of a web publication, copyright laws also apply because bandwidth is required to post to same.
There is now route tracing in progress to eventually discover your true ISP with which we can learn your true identity so the proper action can be taken.
MEMBERS:
I am encouraging you to let your voice be heard in filing complaints to the following reporting sites. The more voices heard in complaints the faster this issue will be resolved.
http://www.fcc.gov/be/oip/Welcome.html Obscenity, INDECENCY and Profanity
SPAM@UCE.GOV SPAM@UCE.GOV Unwanted advertisement
http:www.ftc.gov and find the form needed to file your complaint.
http:www.fbi.gov search for cyber crime, white collar and other that may apply.
COPYRIGHT:
Each page has copyright protection by virtue of being published, as long as the textual content is your original creation. This applies whether there is a copyright notice displayed or not. You cannot legally post to a published web site without authorization to do so is a breach of copyright laws and can constitute theft of bandwidth.
https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01 complaint form for FTC located here.
If you have visited any of the links posted by the morons who are doing this please report the content in your complaint.. I suggest that you DO NOT visit any of the links they post.
Caveman Jack, The Neanderthal Geek

Charles D. Womack, W. W. Womack, Samuel R. Womack, and Robert Womack are men whose names appear in research that I compiled on miners in the Boulder County area. I am writing a book and would like to learn the relationship, if any, between the men.

Bob,
I dont doubt that there are a few documents lying out there somewhere; as well
as some diaries, Bibles, etc locked away in some musty old trunk. It was in a musty old trunk I found the tintype of my GG-GF and one for a son I didnt know
existed...letters and post cards written in the 1870's plus...Unfortunately my
aunt, knowing my dad said I could have the trunk, gave it to my sister who dumped all the contents...I should not have played the nice guy when I found all those cards and took them then and there --

I found a tentative record of an Elizabeth Womack, daughter of a Thomas of London, who came to the colonies in Aug 1620 - apparently as a "mail order" bride....She married a soldier, Sergeant William Sharp/e..had two sons by the time of the first census in 1623 methinks. Later Sharpe apparently died and she remarried a Packer/Parker. She was married to him a short time then she shows up married to a Baugh - During some of the time after Sharpe died and she
married Baugh - she had some headrights - I have seen one of them on the VA library images - However, I saw so Womack as headright...If she was truly a Womack, then she may well have been the first to set foot over here -- Most of the leads in this area came from Baugh and Sharpe researchers...

Also looking thru the images I found, and curse me for not taking down the
location, a James or John Wom...rest not readable and a Charles Womack [at least appears so]as headrights, same document and it was well before the 1673 document for Richard - I did send the URL to a couple people for verification of what I thought I had seen -- However, know not what was done with that...The images are quite numerous and some mostly illegible - would take a long time to sort thru all of them --if I find that one again, will copy and send to you to see what you can make of it...

Anyway, I know, as well as you, not every document has been brought out of the dungeons yet.

Sam & Others: Thanks for all the research and sharing of information you do.I read on a regular basis for information on DNA results. It seems to me our male Womack y-dna testees might consider doing further testing on their haplotypes. I know it is expensive but perhaps information may be obtained that could be used on resolving differences in the three lines. We are some 350 years past the time our Womack ancestors lived in Virginia and I don't know what the chances are for more documents to surface that would help in resolving some of these questions. I recall someone wrote a letter that was published in the 1950s Womack Magazine about having seen an old Womack Will from the 1630s in a library in Chicago. I have never seen any thing published on follow up of this possibility. And I have never visited Chicago. Perhaps someone on the list may live in the Chicago area and could visit the city library there and research the possible existence of such a will. Thoughts.
Bob

I copied this from Robert Burke's page with the final results of our DNA Testing..Hopefully after some of you male Womacks seeing this, or females with a male Womack cousin, uncle, etc..would be interested in haveing the testing done also. We do need a larger sampling,

Interpretation of Results
I know some people are not going to like this, but we have three very distinct Womack halotypes. What this means, is that there is no way whatsoever that these three groups are genetically related. Furthermore, the "split" seems to go very far back, to colonial Virginia. It is very possible that Abraham, Richard, and John were not related by blood. Rather, they may have been adopted, possibly by the elusive William "the Immigrant" Womack.

This is what another person had to say about some of the probable causes for "splits."

"I have to believe that adoption was a major cause of the diverse results for Colonial VA families, although we don't really have any hard evidence. Up until 1750 there was a low ratio of women to men. People had short lifespans due to the many tropical diseases. If a husband died, the widow would marry very quickly. Some of the children could take on the new surname for whatever reason. This might be even more likely, if a posthumous child was born inside the new marriage."

[Sams Note: There was one family where, in his will the head of household stated: "William Allen who commonly uses
the name William Womack." This William had a brother and sister that interchanged names also.]

Richard Womack and Mary Elizabeth Puckett
In this group, Ernest's DNA is most like the others. If you do not include DYS-385b (which is not used to compare people), then Alvis is an exact match with Ernest. Darrell is one difference away from Ernest, and Roger and Carlos are each two differences away. Sam's results are the most problematic. I think this is a result of mishandling of his sample by DNA Heritage, that it was allowed to sit for too long before the lab actually tested it. Hopefully Sam will get tested again, because I think his results will fall in line with the rest of the Richard group, since he already matches the rest of the group on most of his markers.

[Sams Note: I did retest and the results throw me closer in line with the others than before.]

Abraham Womack and Sarah Worsham
This is the most consistent group. Basically, Jack, Mark, and Steve are exact matches. Paul and Alton are exact matches, and differ from Jack/Mark/Steve by just one marker. So this forms a pretty tight group. Jack has concluded that Thomas A. Womack (who was married to Louvisa Rice) was a descendant of Abraham Womack and Sarah Worsham. This comes from Jack's research, his involvement in the Blanton project, and this project.

John Womack and Mary Akin

Warren and Fred differ by three markers (not including DYS-385a and DYS-385b, which are not used in comparisons, and which the lab never finished for Fred anyhow). As with Sam's test, I think Fred's test was mishandled, and I think a second test might show fewer differences between Fred and Warren.

[Fred did retest, but havent seen his results yet, Sam].

Good Morning All:

You know I get on here and read the new messages almost every morning - and it amazes me beyond belief how much information there is being exchanged - I am just getting started in this - so I cannot even imagine the hours and monies that have been spent by all of you researchers on gathering this information, that you so freely give out to those interested, with very little thanks coming back to you...SO HATS OFF TO YOU "REAL" RESEARCHERS - YOU ARE THE BLOODLINES OF OUR FAMILY NAME "WOMACK"....AND HAPPY ST. PATRICK'S DAY....STAY SAFE...

Eternally grateful
Sandi

Debbie Amarillo is in Potter Co./Randall Co.

Here is your William Samuel Womack's parents

William Jefferson Womack born 1 Feb 1833 Washington Co., AR married 1st Mary Nelson Ensey 13 MArch 1856 Jack Co.,TX (Mary Nelson Ensey was your William Samuels Womack's mother)married 2nd Louiza J. Jackson 20 July 1876 Jack Co., TX married 3rd 3 July 1889
William Jefferson Womack died 29 Sep 1889 Jack Co., TX his tombstone has been stolen from his grave in Hutchins Cemetery located in JAck Co., TX here is the names in that cemetery

Jack County Texas -Hutchins Cemetery

Brisco, William Co D 33rd Tx Cav.
Brisco, Nancy Fannie Feb 14, 1856 Jun 2, 1943
Brisco, George No Dates
Brisco, Geneva No Dates
Brisco, Son of Milton Oct 5, 1947 Oct 5, 1947
Brisco, Mrs. Oct 19, 1902
Buckner, Neaty Bell Mar 13, 1883 Dec 14, 1898
Buckner, Elizabeth Nov 1818 Nov 26, 1882
Burns, Lucinda Age 62 years Dec 20, 1898
Burns, Dr. H. C. Dec 4, 1834 Jan 21, 1914
Cope, Martha Mar 30, 1839 Jan 22, 1901
Cope, Andrew J. Sep 1, 1878 Jan 17, 1901
Cope, Luculios Dec 27, 1869 Feb 3, 1890
Cope, Bryon M. Dec 31, 1865 May 31, 1891
Hutchins, Inf of Jim Jan 17, 1902 Jan 17, 1902
Hutchens, Isabell C. Dec 30, 1860 Dec 19, 1896
Hutchins, Louis C. Jun 7, 1886 Nov 28, 1951
Jackson, Lorena Jan 9, 1919 Sep 9, 1956
King, Margaret Jane Mar 8, 1890 Mar 16, 1876
King, Charles Otis Feb 13, 1890 Apr 1, 1898
Ledbetter, Elizabeth Feb 4, 1883 Nov 14, 1911
Miller, Margaret Aug 26, 1835 Sep 29, 1927
Miller, Infant Aug 4, 1908 Aug 4, 1908
Miller, Baby of Mary No Dates
Miller, J. A. Mar 11, 1820 Age 62 years
Pierce, William July 7, 1922 July 7, 1922
Pierce, Catherine Feb 20, 1937 Jun 11, 1943
Pierce, Louis Zack Jan 13, 1903 Jan 5, 1968
Snow, William H. Co I 16th Texas Calvery
Snow, Jim R. Oct 10, 1845 Jan 8, 1936
Womack, William J. 19th Tx Cav. Co. F Walkers Div.
Womack, Infant Aug 27, 1924 Aug 27, 1924

Debbie that would be William Jefferson Womack line William jefferson Womack was my 3rd great grandfather his wife Mary Nelson Ensey my 3rd great grandmother I am directly connected to your line

Hi
Would any one be familar with this Womack Line
1-Mr. Womack b. AR
+Mrs. Womack b. TN
|--2-William S. Womack b. Sep 1864, TX
+Canary b. 1880, TX
|--3-Afred Womack b. Jul 1897, Elk Twp., Washita Co., OK
|--3-Ida O. Womack b. 1900, Elk Twp., Washita Co., OK
|--3-William Walter Womack b. 23 Mar 1901, Elk Twp., Washita Co., OK
| +Maggie Mulvina Allen b. 9 Jan 1901, Vernon, TX, par. Mr. Allen and Mrs.
| Allen
| |--4-David C. Womack b. 1924, Wood Co., TX
| |--4-Verna Lee Womack b. 26 Nov 1926, Wood Co., TX, d. 23 Jul 1998,
| | Lubbuck, TX, bur. 23 Jul 1998, Resthaven Memorial Park, Lubbuck, TX
| +Robert Charles Bivins b. 14 Aug 1926, Amarillo, Lubbuck Co., TX, d.
| Oct 1992, Amarillo, Lubbuck Co., TX, m. 1950, Clayton, N.M., par.
| Silas Zell Bivins and Francis Emily Millinger
|--3-Edward R. Womack b. 1903, Elk Twp., Washita Co., OK
|--3-Ada Womack b. 1905, Elk Twp., Washita Co., OK
|--3-Ernest C. Womack b. 1907, Elk Twp., Washita Co., OK
|--3-Allie M. Womack b. 1909, Elk Twp., Washita Co., OK

Thank you
Debby B. Reyes
genea692@yahoo.com

While woring with the 1900 census for Paulding Co GA - I ran across this family not on Ancestry's index. So posting it herein case any one recognizes and needs the info:

MATTHEW M1 WOMACK was born Abt. 1838 in GA. He married MARINDA. She was born Abt. 1865 in GA.

Notes for MATTHEW M WOMACK:
Both parents born GA per census.
All family info from 1910, Burnt Hickory, Paulding Co, GA

Notes for MARINDA:
Both parents born GA per census.

Children of MATTHEW WOMACK and MARINDA are:
i. JESSE2 WOMACK, b. Jan 1888, GA.
ii. WALTER G WOMACK, b. Aug 1890, GA; m. LULA; b. 1892, GA.

Notes for WALTER G WOMACK:
1910 Census, Burnt Hickory, Paulding Co GA for wife and child.[Effie b, Dec 1899.]

iii. SEABORN R WOMACK, b. Jun 1891, GA.
iv. EVA WOMACK, b. Apr 1893, GA.
v. BELLE S WOMACK, b. Jun 1895, GA.
vi. MATTHEW M WOMACK, b. May 1896, GA.
vii. FREDDIE B? WOMACK, b. Jul 1899, GA.

Susan and Sam

I have the book by Helen Ring Womack, The Womack Trail. If any one needs a look-up be happy to help, got the book from Helen a few years ago.
Might take a look at my web page, has my line McCarty and Darrels line Womack.
It is interesting McCarty and Womack have some of the same names in there history. Darrel and I had wondered which line came to the coloies first, Womack abt.1650 VA, McCarty 1749 VA, He won. If you see a correction needed let me know.
I enjoy reading the WGN ever morning, and it is nice to see Jack back on line. Sam keep up the good work, thanks again for the help you have given me in the past, and wish to thank you for those that do not thank you.

Judy

Derrell, Thanks

Hey Sam if you have the right Joseph S Womack he is down as Josiah on the 1900 Census in Paulding Co.,GA a whole family of Womacks on one page

Susan
I think that bok is available on Amazon.com - no bids either

Emmkett
Is the dude?
JOSEPH S2 WOMACK (MATTHEW MARION1) was born Abt. 1882 in GA?, and died Abt. 1961.

Sam, the Sam Womack That I was looking for was Joseph Sam Womack and he died in Terrell Co.Georgia in 1957. Thank you.

Susan
thanks for posting that. I knew Helen from mail, regular, and phone conversations - the last one I had with her was a number of years ago after her husband died - then later on the phone number was blank as if she had passed away also - she was a very meticulous researcher, looked for documation and would be a great asset if she were alive today..The book would be a treasure for one that would want it...but check LDS you may be able to see it it an FHC or on microfilm -

Up for auction on eBay...I thought someone here might be interested. I don't think is this part of my line. If it turns out to be, I will graciously accept a couple of 'look ups' for pointing the winner in the right direction..

Susan(Womack)Owens

http://cgi.ebay.com/THE-WOMACK-TRAIL-VIRGINIA-TO-TEXAS-GENEALOGY-BOOK-NR_W0QQitemZ5677635388QQcategoryZ116100QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

THE WOMACK TRAIL VIRGINIA TO TEXAS GENEALOGY BOOK

Item number: 5677635388

The Womack Trail From Virginia To Texas by Helen Ring Womack - covers 1674-1982, Womack family and allied families Carney, Gish/Gisch, Daniel, Pearcy, Clevenger, McPahil/McPhaill, Hollingsworth, Dunavant/Dunnavant, Ring-Barbee.

9" x 11.5" Hardcover, 649pp (weighs almost 5 pounds) , inscription on front end paper, published 1988, illustrated with photos, records, family trees, maps, marriage licenses, etc.

Excellent condition, no damage, clean.

Jack,
Glad to see your smiley back with us - I know we have made some small amount of correspondence; but there have been a lot of people wondering about you. For your privacy, and since you didnt say I could blab, I kept me mouf shut on your progress.

We need your input on a lot of things; not only on that DNA stuff. A few of us have tried to keep the old ball rolling with a small amount of success..Your added input will greatly enhance WGN.
Sam

Review
I dont know how many of you have tried FTM 2006. I recently installed it and it
installed smoothly, no glitches over Version 11.

I like the function that allows one to look for web results on Ancestry direct from the program -- I have found some good information and made some corrections based on those results. The ability to merge directly from Ancestry is a welcome function.

I was a little set back on the copy and paste as there is no way thru the file function - ran a query and the good ole ctrl-c and ctrl-v comes up.
However you can copy with the normal function from other sources; then use the
ctrl-v to paste into the notes field on FTM. Use the ctrl-c to copy notes from FTM then the normal paste to notepad, word pad, e-mail or other document.

I am not too happy with the gray color scheme - but someday will find how to change that to a more appealing color, If any of you who use 2006 has that figured out; let me know.

I also find the merges work somewhat better than before..not perfect; but better.

If you dont have the program and want to putchase it; dont go all out - get the
29.95 Essential version - it has plenty of toys to keep you busy. I think youcan now include photos in your genealogy reports - will advise later for sure on that. Again, if anyone out there has a bit more experience than I on 2006, let us know!

One suggestion: get an external hard drive - whether ready made or put together yourself. Save your FTM data on it - it will set up an icon on the desktop that goes direct to the external. Computer crashes, FTM is safe. Of course that would apply to other genealogy programs and files as well.

Hi gang
Today is my first day to read the messages since I had my health problem. For those who don't know I had emergency abdominal surgery Oct 29,2005 and had a heart attack and quit breathing while on the table. They were able to revive me after some time and I woke up Oct 30 in ICU strapped down on a chinese torture rack they caled a ventilator. My health is steadily improving and I can again spend time at the computer. ( I had a strange outof body experience during this)From what I read a lot has been going on with various researchers, Nice.
Read in Sunday paper where Mary Price Womack the wife of T W "Jack" Womack of Midland Tx had passed away. I am often confused with T W when people are trying to locate him. T W was a long time resident of Odessa where he was in the advertising business 40 years. Anyone wanting to contact T W can contact me and I will pass it on. Midland is only 20 miles from Odessa where I live.
The many questions on the DNA test will require some time to answer but don't let that deter you. I will post the complete obit if anyone is interested. I myself had lost track of T W and plan on contacting him, may be a "lost" cousin.
Jack

Sometimes when we are searching for our "cestahs," we may run out of name options to look at. Below are names you will get when inputting WOMACK, WARMACK and others under soundex. Dont discount any of them as Beth and I have found out lately[mostly Beth].

Soundex-W452
Walmack, Wilmack and Wolmack, any variation.

Soundex-W520-Womack gives below:
Wamac, Wamach, Wamack,Wammack, Wamuck, Wammuck, Wamec, Wamic, Wamick,
Wamoc, Wamock, Wammock, Wamox, Waymack, Waymock, Wemack, Womecke, Womic,
Womacks, Womacque, Womak, Wommak, Womax, Womeck, Womecke, Womic, Womick,
Wommick, Womock, Wommock, Womuck, Wommuck, Wumac, Wumack, Wummack, Wyomack.

From England still W520:
Waimich, Wamuke, Waymak, Waymouch, Wemock Weymack, Weymeck, Whomac, Whomack,
Whomic, Whomach, Whymach, Whymock, Wimack, Wimick, Wimock, Wimmock, womacke,
Womaks, Womek, Womocke, Womok, Womakc, Womvck, Wommacke, Wommake, Wommocke,
Woomacke, Woomock, Woommock, Woommax, Woymmocke,

W512
Wombeck [German]
Womvck

Soundex-W522
Womachka[Czech]

Soundex-562
Wymark


Soundex-W652-Warmack
Wormach, Wormack, Wormick, Wormeck, Wormik, Wornmack, Woormmack,
Woormmock, Wornack, Wornuck Wornick...

These lists may not be all inclusive; but are names I have ran across
that are closely enough related to take a look at...Waymack and Wymark
may be separate and unrelated to Womack = But look at them anyway -
you never know...

A little trivia for you:
Fort Smith Criminal Records
Last First Charge Year Jacket Aka Etal Unk
Womac Will Liquor 1891 481 - - W520
Womack Nep Liquor 1895 481 - E W520
Womack Will Larceny 1896 481 - E W520
Wammack Asbury O Rob Mail 1903 549 - - W520 [see note]
Warmack Ben Liquor 1896 337 Bramlet, John W652
Warmack Renee Liquor 1896 336 Bramlett, John W. W652
Wormack Bence Liquor 1895 481 - - W652
Wormack Bence Liquor 1896 481 E - W652
Wormack C.W. Larceny 1901 552 - - W652

NOTE: Asbury Overall Womack, b. Nov 21 1865, Benton AR, d. Apr 27 1936, AR
Wife: Verda ? b. abt 1862 GA?
Parents: William and Elizabeth Jane Harrell Womack
Grandparents: Richard and Matilda Lee Moxley Womack
GG-Grandparents: Elijah and Elizabeth Patterson Womack
GGG-Grandparents: Richard and Rachel ? Womack
GGGG-Grandparents: Alexander and Martha ? Womack [my 6th greats]
GGGGG-Grandparents: Richard and Elizabeth Ann Puckett Womack
GGGGGG-Greatgrandparents: Richard and Mary Elizabeth Ruth Puckett Womack
And if Exists: Willy the Emmy-grunt

Peggy,

I forgot to add George Washington Womack's 1850 census record:

1850 Tazewell Co., IL Roll 129
Page 143A, House 1981
37 Warmick Washington 40 M W Farmer 0 KY
38 Warmick Nancy 40 F W TN
39 Warmick Elizabeth 17 F W IL
40 Warmick Franky Ann 15 F W IL
41 Warmick Nancy Ann 12 F W IL
42 Warmick Sheppard 4 M W IL
1 Warmick Jane 1 F W IL

1860
IL, Pope County, Walnut Shade P.O., Roll 220, Book 1, P.225
Green B. Womach, age 28 b. 1832 IL
Sarah H., age 23 KY
Wm. H., 11 mos. IL
Geo. W., age 40 TN ****
Shepard L., age 13 IL
Calvin L., age 10 IL

OK, Sam, Dudette Beth is gonna post!

Hi Peggy!

I don't believe there is a John Newton Womack. In the past, someone has combined Newton Womack's name with John G. Womack's name and caused the confusion. To add to the confusion, there are several Shepherds and at least four Greens!

Here are the Green Womacks:

1830 Cave In Rock Twp., Gallatin Co., IL Roll 22 Page 262, line 16
Wommack Rebecca Rebecca Parker Womack?
1-female 50-69
1-male 30-39
1-male 20-29
1-female 15-19
1-male 5-9

Page 263, line 8
Warmack Green
1-male 40-49
1-female 30-39
1-female 15-19
1-male 10-14
1-male 5-9
2-females 5-9
1-male 0-4

1840 Shelby Co., IL Roll 70
Page 176, Line 1
176 Green Womack
1- male 50-59
1-female 30-39
1 male 5-9
1-female 5-9
3- males 0-4
1 female 0-4

Note the places of birth in the following census records:

1850 Shelby Co., IL p. 104A, HH 105
33 Wammock Green 62 M W Wheelright 0 SC d. 1872 Unionville, Putman Co., MO,
34 Wammock Aconas ? 50 F W TN Agnes Galeon (Cunningham per family Bible) d. 1873 Unionville, Putman Co., MO
35 Wammock Acey 17 M W Farmer IL
36 Wammock Alexander 15 M W Farmer IL Alexander Selkirk Womack
37 Wammock Talitha 8 F W IL

1860 Jackson Twp., Putman Co., MO
Green Wamick, age 72, b. 1787 GA
Annis Wamick, age 61 b. 1798 NC

1870 Jackson Twp., Putman Co., MO
Green Warmack, age 83, b. GA
Agnes Warmack, age 70, b. NC

Does anyone know for sure who this one was?

1850 Fayette Co., IL Roll 106
Page 352B, House 241
Wormick Green F 26 M W Farmer 400 KY d. 26 Nov 1862 Fayette Co., IL
Wormick Dora A 30 F W NC
Wormick William 6 M W IL
Wormick Jacob Sears 5 M W IL
Wormick Sarah A 3 F W IL
Wormick John P 1 M W IL

Green's age on the 1860 Sharon Twp., Fayette Co., TN census is 40, b. IL, but the image is illegible. On the same census page, there is a Francis Gramick, age 42, b. KY, indexed, and again, the page is really a bad copy. I'm using Heritage Quest for census records. Maybe Ancestry.com has the names in both households indexed.

Then we have your Green Womack. I agree with you that your Green Womack was the son of James Womack and Margaret Bowers, based the following census records:

1860
IL, Pope County, Walnut Shade P.O., Roll 220, Book 1, P.225
Green B. Womach, age 28 b. 1832 IL
Sarah H., age 23 KY
Wm. H., 11 mos. IL
Geo. W., age 40 TN
Shepard L., age 13 IL
Calvin L., age 10 IL

Walnut Shade PO, Popnut Shade P.O., Roll 220, Book 1, P.225
Green B. Womach, age 28 b. 1832 IL
Sarah H., age 23 KY
Wm. H., 11 mos. IL
Geo. W., age 40 TN
Shepard L., age 13 IL
Calvin L., age 10 IL

Walnut Shade PO, Pope Co., IL Series 653, Roll 220, Page 229
Shepherd F. Womack, age 33 b. TN Indexed as WOMACH
Lavinda, age 33, b. KY
Harriet F., age 7 b. IL
Missouri, age 4, b. IL
George P. O., age 2, b. IL
Sarah K., age 2 mos., b. IL
Margaret, age 66 b. SC THIS IS MARGARET BOWERS WOMACK

Walnut Shade PO, Pope Co., IL Series 653, Roll 220, Page 240
John G. Womack, age 36, b. TN Indexed as WOMACH
Emeline, age 37, b. TN
Margaret, age 14, b. TN
Sarah E., age 13, b. TN
Isham, age 11, b. IL
Jesse N., age 9, b. IL
Lucy A., age 8, b. IL
Martha A., age 4, b. IL
John F., age 2., b. IL

1870 Jackson Twp., Will Co., IL
Green B Womack, age 39, b. 1830 IL
Mary A Womack, age 39 b. 1830 Vermont
William H Womack, age 10, b. 1859 IL
Alice Womack, age 4, b. 1865 IL
Helen Womack, age 2, b. 1867 IL
Green Womack, age 4 mos., b, 1869 IL

1880 Fort Calhoun Twp., Washington Co., NE
Green B. WOMACK, age 49, IL NY NY
Josephine WOMACK, age 21 Wife IL NY CAN
Alice WOMACK, age 14, Dau IL IL MN
Helen WOMACK, age 12, Dau IL IL MN
Albert WOMACK, age 10, Son IL IL MN
Lucy WOMACK, age 8, Dau NE IL MN
Green B. WOMACK, age 6, Son NE IL MN
Edith WOMACK, age 5, Dau NE IL MN
Eunice WOMACK, age 6 mos., Dau NE IL MN

1900 Cooper Twp., Gentry Co., MO
Josephine Womack, age 41, b. IL
Eunice, age 20, b. NE
Minnie, age 15, b. NE
Josephine, age 12, b. MO
Robert L., age 10, b. MO
George H., age 5, b. MO

Based on son, George's age, Green must have died after 1895 Gentry Co., MO

1910 10-WD Omaha., Douglas Co., NE
Josephine, age 51, b. IL
Minnie, age 25, b. NE
Robert, age 20, b. MO
Herbert G., age 15 b. MO

The parents for Newton Womack and his brother, Green Womack are unknown, but according to DNA test results, Newton does not descend from Thomas and Louvisa. Here are the census records for Green (Greenberry) Womack, and his brother, Newton Womack (note on the 1880 Green was born in IL and Newton in TN. On the 1900 census, Green and Newton were both born in TN):

1880 Cave Twp., Franklin Co., IL p. 581B
Greene B. WOMACK, age 44, b. IL VA VA
Perlina WOMACK, age 34, b. TN VA VA
Louella WOMACK, age 6, b. IL IL TN
Robert WOMACK, age 4, b. IL IL TN
Ada M. WOMACK, age 1, b. IL IL TN
Martha FISHER, age 17 b. IL IL IL relationship: other

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER ON GREEN'S WIFE, PERLINA RANEY?

1880 Benton Twp., Franklin Co., IL p. 540C
Newton WARNOCK, age 39 b. TN TN TN
Sarah A. WARNOCK, age 28 b. MO SC TN
Golda G. WARNOCK, age 3 b. IL TN MO
Thos. A. BENNETT, age 12 b. IL TN MO Relationship: Son

Was Sarah Bennett married before she married Newton?

1900 Benton Twp., Franklin Co., TN
Weston Wornack, age 63, b. Mar 1837 TN TN IL NEWTON WOMACK
Sarah, age 44 b. Nov 1844 IL AL KY
Grace G., age 23 b. Dec 1876 IL (GOLDA GRACE)
Robert Henry, age 17 b. Dec 1883 IL __ TN NEPHEW

IS THIS NEPHEW, ROBERT HENRY, A HINT FOR ANYONE? HIS MOTHER WAS BORN IN TN. COULD HIS MOTHER BE A SISTER OF NEWTON AND GREEN'S?

1900 Du Quoin Twp., Perry Co., IL
Greenberry Woarnack, age 63, b. Nov 1836 TN TN TN
Perlina, age 53, b. Nov 1846
Ada, age 20, b. Mar 1880
Dollie, age 14, b. Jun 1885
Maggie, age 10, b. Jul 1889

Here are the obits for Green and Newton (note the obit for Newton says he was born in TN and came to IL as a young man. It also says he is survived by Green Womack of DuQuoin, IL):

GREEN B. WOMAC ** Obit
DuQuoin Evening dated October 15, 1920
G. B. Womac Dies at Anna This Morning. G. B. Womac died this morning at the Anna Hospital. Mr. Womac was 88 at time of death. He had been in ill health for some years preceeding his death and had been an inmate of the hospital for the past several years. Mr Womac was a residence of this city for a number of years and during his residence here he made for himself many friends among the DuQuion people. Mr Womac leaves to mourn his death one son Robert of Cambridge, Ohio, two daughters, Mrs Harry House and Mr Coe Melvin both of this city. Following the funeral ceremony the body will be interned in the Old Fellows Cemetery.

Pontiac Daily Leader, Feb 28, 1916, Pontiac, IL
Newton Womack Died Today. Newton Womack, aged 78 answered the death summons at the home of his daughter, Mrs. Grace Ellis, 613 east Livingston Street, this morning at about 7 o'clock. Article goes on to tell about him falling. The decedent was a native of Tennessee. He came to Illinois when a young man. He was married in Benton, IL 39 years ago. He is surivied by his aged wife, one son Joe Womack of Virden; one daughter Mrs Grace Ellis and a brother, Green Womack of DuQuoin, IL.

Ok Dudettes and Dudes,
Just because we got that turkey infiltrating every day dont mean you cannot post also -- you aint gonna get no bugs!!! Comon down the information hiway!!

In regard to Beth's message of March 6, it would be easy to confuse the Green B. Womack who is the brother of John Newton with my great-great grandfather. His name is also Green B. Womack, born about 1832 in IL, and (I believe) brother of John G. and Shepard F. In 1860, my Green B. was living close to John and Shepard. The census shows:

1860
IL, Pope County, Walnut Shade P.O., Roll 220, Book 1, P.225
Green B. Womack 28 IL
Sarah H. 23 KY
Wm. H. 11/12 IL
Geo. W. 40 TN
Shepard L. 13 IL
Calvin L. 10 IL

I think George is also their brother, since he is living with Green B. and has a son named Shepard L. George was born in TN as were John G. and Shepard F. In 1850, George was still living in Hardin County, the same place Margaret was with the rest of the family in 1840. I have not been able to find either Margaret or Green B. in 1850. The census for George in 1850 is:

1850
IL, Hardin County, Township A, p. 4B
Wormack, G.W. 30 TN
" Nancy 34 TN
Kesterson, Elizabeth 16 IL
" Nancy 13 IL
" Mary 9 IL
Wormack, Shepherd 4 IL
" Elvira? 1 IL (This should be Calvin)

The only sources I can find for the Green B. referred to by Beth are the obituary and 1880 census posted on Roger's website and the 1920 Federal Census for Union Co., IL.

My Green B. lived in IL until about 1870, when he moved to NE. He had three wives, Sarah H., Mary Miller, and Josephine Miller (probably Mary's daughter). He had twelve children that I know of. I do not know when he died, sometime between 1885 and 1900, based on census information.

I would love to confirm that he is the son of James and Margaret since their lines seem to be well researched by all the dedicated Womack researchers! I was only able, after many years of futility, to finally discover Green B.'s name and location from Roger's website several years ago and have been remiss in thanking everyone for this wonderful resource.

To all who use WGN.
For those of you who wonder what has happened to Roger; he is alive and well-busy as hell. I called him tonite and talked to him for about 15 mins - He will begetting into archiving and etc as soon as he can -- Remember, we all have other things that take our time and should not be impatient.As soon as he gets new responsibilities straightened out; he will be back.. You be patient, as I will be..
Sam

I ran across this on one of the genealogy websites. I contacted the person who posted it, and she can't tell me where she got it. It's a shot in the dark...but, does anybody have a clue as to who this family may be?

T B Wamack born 1697

Son:
T Wamack born 1730

Grandson:
Thomas Wamack born 1780 Alabama
married Levina Dinnis 29 JUN 1799 in Guliford NC

Gr. Grandson:
Theodore R Wamack born 1800 Alabama
married "unknown"

Gr. Gr. Grandsons:

1. T. B. Wamack born 1841 Alabama
married Ludemia Jane Gullion Wright in
1865 in Saltville, Smyth County, Virginia

Their children:


a. Ulysis S Grant WAMACK b: 5 MAY 1866 in Saltville Smythe Co VA
b. Willie R WAMACK b: 1868 in VA
c. Lucinda Bell WAMACK b: 1870 in VA
d. C. M. WAMACK b: 1873 in VA
e. Georgia WAMACK b: 1875 in VA

I think some of the above children moved to Ohio.

2. T H Wamack born 1838

3. John W. Wamack born 1835 in Georgia

Thanks... Susan

My first listing.

Looking for the Children Charles Womack b. abt 1780 VA and Sarah 'Sally' McDaniel b. 1780 VA. Can anyone help?

Have information on their daughter Agness WOMACK b. 1810 VA. that I would be glad to share.

Emmett
Sorry - forgot to use soundex:

Samuel Wammock 8 Dec 1900 Mar 1970 Atlanta, Dekalb, Georgia

Emmett
These are the only two on the Social Security Death index for GA:

Samuel D. Womack 6 Nov 1927 Sep 1995 Savannah, Chatham, Georgia
Samuel Womack 29 May 1906 Oct 1968 Cedartown, Polk, Georgia
I have a feeling the 1968 one may be right one?

Sam your reply was very much appreciated. Your information was exactly right.John and Mary summers Womack had one other son not on your list. Sam Womack d[ed in Terrell Co. Ga. sometime before Nicholas died. Thank you

I filed the FTC report too.

What ever this person is doing it is not good.
Some of these listings look like ad's and some look like porn.

I would suggest that no one click on any of them.
The sites they link to could contain virus laden programs.

Better to be safe than sorry.
D

Diana
A number of people have sent complaints to the FCC and FTC - One of the agencies
said the matter was being turned over to law enforcement agencies - have no idea
when we will see results - but hope soon...
Sam

Beth
If that is Louvisa there in IL - It sure blows a buncha genealogies that has
her deceased abt 1810 in Rutherford Co NC -- I think she left a will and I have
sent for a look-up thru the Rutherford Co GenWeb...

Carol,

Sam and I have been working the IL Womacks with one of our DNA participants, a descendant of Newton Womack, trying to find Newton's ancestors. His DNA indicates he does not descend from Thomas Womack and Louvisa Rice. It was previously thought by researchers that (John) Newton Womack and A. Green B. Womack (proven brothers) were the sons of James Womack and Margaret Bowers. This is not the case. They were born 1838 and 1839 in TN.

I found enough evidence to substantuate that John G. Womack, b. ca. 1823 IL, was the son of James Womack and Margaret Bowers. James Womack died before the 1840 census. Margaret is on the 1840 Hardin Co., IL census as head of HH. Abraham, Sr. brother of James, and Abraham, Jr. are also on that census.

1840
IL Hardin, no township listed, roll 60
225 18 Warmick Abraham Sr 0000 00001 0000 0001 2 1 Ag
225 19 Warmick Abraham 2000 1 0100 1 5 1 Ag
225 22 Warmick Margaret
l-female 40-49 Margaret Bowers Womack
1-female 80-99 could this be Louvisa Rice Womack? She would be about 95!
1-male 15-19 probably John G. Womack
l-male 10-14 probably Shepherd Womack
l-female 10-14
l-male 5-9

Shepherd Womack was also a son of James and Margaret Bowers Womack. Margaret Bowers Womack is with Shepherd on the 1860 census.

James was the son of Thomas Womack and Louvisa Rice. You won't find this very often on Rootsweb's World Connect, but Thomas Womack was the son of Abraham Womack and Nancy Ann Blanton. Larry Miller has now changed his research on Rootsweb's World Connect to reflect Thomas's parents. But he hasn't added Archee/Archer Blanton as their son also, even thoorldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=fredmiller&id=I2104

Here are the census records (note Shepherd and John G. are three HH's apart on the 1850 census and still in the same township, same county on the 1860 census):

1850
IL Pope, no township listed, roll 125
Page 252B, House 40
5 Wormack Shepherd 22 M W Farmer 0 TN
6 Wormack Lorinda 23 F W KY Her name is Laura on the 1880 census

Page 252B, House 43
23 Wormack John 27 M W Farmer 0 IL
24 Wormack Emily 23 F W IL
25 Wormack Margret 6 F W IL
26 Wormack Sarah 5 F W IL
27 Wormack Isham 3 M W IL
28 Wormack Jessa 1 M W IL Jesse

1860
Walnut Shade PO, Pope Co., IL Series 653, Roll 220, Page 229
Shepherd F. Womack, age 33 b. TN Indexed as WOMACH
Lavinda, age 33, b. KY
Harriet F., age 7 b. IL
Missouri, age 4, b. IL
George P. O., age 2, b. IL
Sarah K., age 2 mos., b. IL
Margaret, age 66 b. SC THIS IS MARGARET BOWERS WOMACK

Walnut Shade PO, Pope Co., IL Series 653, Roll 220, Page 240
John G. Womack, age 36, b. TN Indexed as WOMACH
Emeline, age 37, b. TN
Margaret, age 14, b. TN
Sarah E., age 13, b. TN
Isham, age 11, b. IL
Jesse N., age 9, b. IL
Lucy A., age 8, b. IL
Martha A., age 4, b. IL
John F., age 2., b. IL

One of my researching cousins has a picture of two Womack sisters who are the daughters of John F. and Sarah Emily Brinkley Womack of Pope County Illinois and she needs help identifying one of the sisters. If you have direct knowledge of this family, would you please contact me so that I can get you in touch with her? Your assistance will be deeply appreciated.

TRacie
Anne's parents were allegedly William and Mary Judd Allen Womack - the alleged immigrants.
You may wonder why I use the term 'alleged,' its because there is no confirmation these
two people existed, YET. But tentatively you could use them until proven otherwise --

As for Puckette, there was a guy, first name Keith, whom I have lost last name and URL
for his web page - he had a bunch of Puckette/Womack info - I printed it out for someone
once and it was 90+ pages -- I suggest going to google and inputting Puckette Genealogy.
Then check out the home pages listed there - there are 314 that I found -- will take time,
but......


1. JOHN PUCKETTE died in Henrico County, VA. He married (1) ANN UNKNOWN. She died in Henrico County, VA. He married (2) ANN "ANNIE" PEW, daughter of HENRY PUGH/PEW and JANE WOMACK. She was born 1654. He married (3) ANNE JEFFERYS Bef. 1649. She was born Bet. 1612 - 1637, and died Abt. 1679 in Henrico Co, Va.

More About ANNE JEFFERYS:
Date born 3: Bet. 1611 - 1637
Died 3: 1679, Henrico County, Virginia

Child of JOHN PUCKETTE and ANNE JEFFERYS is:
i. WILLIAM 12 PUCKETT, b. 1657; d. Bef. May 1723; m. ANNE 1 WOMACK; b. Abt. 1657; d. Abt. 1694.

More About WILLIAM PUCKETT:
Name 2: William Sr Puckett
Date born 2: Abt. 1657, Puckett p 3, 26
Died 2: Abt. 1723, Henrico Co, Va


Keep in mind this needs to be proved[the children exist, but no direct reference
known to the parents]:

1. WILLIAM WOMACK was born Abt. 1605 in Wragby, Lincolnshire, England, and died Bef. Apr 1674
in Henrico County, Virginia. He married MARY JANE ALLEN. She was born Bet. 1605 - 1635.

Children of WILLIAM WOMACK and MARY ALLEN are:
i. ABRAHAM WOMACK, b. Abt. 1644, Henrico Co VA; d. Bef. Oct 1733, Varina, Henrico Co, VA?; m. (1) SARAH WORSHAM, Bef. 1662; m. (2) SARAH SUMMERSCALES?, Bef. 1687.
ii. WILLIAM WOMACK, b. Abt. 1647, Henrico Co VA?; d. Bef. Apr 1674, Henrico Co, Va; m. (1) JANE 1; m. (2) ABRIEL GOWER.
iii. JOHN WOMACK, b. Abt. 1653, Henrico Co Va; d. Abt. 1725, Prince George Va; m. MARY AKIN, Henrico Co, Va; b. Abt. 1660; d. Aft. 1725.
iv. RICHARD SR. WOMACK, b. 1655, Bristol Parish, Henrico, Va; d. Mar 22, 1683/84, Henrico Co Va; m. MARY ELIZABETH RUTH PUCKETT, Bef. Jun 02, 1676; b. Abt. 1657, Henrico Co VA?; d. Aft. Feb 01, 1691/92, VA.
v. ANNE WOMACK, b. Abt. 1657; d. Abt. 1694; m. WILLIAM PUCKETT; b. 1657; d. Bef. May 1723.
vi. MARY WOMACK, b. Abt. 1659; m. THOMAS PUCKETT; b. Abt. 1658, VA; d. Bef. Oct 03, 1715.
vii. JANE WOMACK, b. Abt. 1662.
viii. THOMAS WOMACK, b. Abt. 1664, VA; d. Abt. 1697, unmarried, Henrico Co, Va.

I am a member of the Puckett family and am trying to find some info. on the Puckett Womack connection. My ancestor was William Puckett, born 1654, who married Anne Womack. Can anyone tell me who her parents were, what year they were born and died, and where they lived? Also, does anyone have info. on whom John Puckett(born 1616 Dorchester, England)'s parents were and any dates on them? Thanks.
Tracie Breidenthal,
The Woodlands, TX

Emmet
Does any of this look familiar?

1. JOHN E1 WOMACK was born Feb 1845 in Frostproof, Polk, FL?, and died 1931 in Fort Valley GA?. He married MARY L SUMMERS Abt. 1875 in Fort Valley GA?. She was born Abt. 1854 in Fort Valley GA.

Children of JOHN WOMACK and MARY SUMMERS are:
i. SARAH OLA2 WOMACK, b. Oct 03, 1876, Fort Valley GA; d. Oct 03, 1954.
ii. MATTIE WOMACK, b. Feb 12, 1878, Fort Valley GA?.
iii. NICHOLAS JEFFERSON WOMACK, b. Oct 16, 1882, Clinton, Jones, GA; d. Aug 23, 1958.
iv. GEORGE ROSS WOMACK, b. Abt. Sep 1885, Fort Meade, Polk, FL?; d. Abt. 1954.
v. THOMAS LEE WOMACK, b. Oct 29, 1890, Clinton, Jones, GA?; d. Nov 25, 1912.
vi. MARY LILLIAN WOMACK, b. Jul 19, 1894, Macon Co Ga; d. Feb 15, 1969.
vii. JOEL CHANDLER WOMACK, b. Apr 08, 1901, Tifton GA; d.t. 1954.
v. THOMAS LEE WOMACK, b. Oct 29, 1890, Clinton, Jones, GA?; d. Nov 25, 1912.
vi. MARY LILLIAN WOMACK, b. Jul 19, 1894, Macon Co Ga; d. Feb 15, 1969.
vii. JOEL CHANDLER WOMACK, b. Apr 08, 1901, Tifton GA; d. Nov 18, 1940, Hackberry, Mohave, AZ; m. EUGENA; b. Abt. 1907.

Notes for JOEL CHANDLER WOMACK:
LDS has year of birth as 1900, death certificate 1901. Using 1901.

Death cert showed usual place of residence as Needles CA. He was a brakeman on RR and got ran over by a railroad car wheel.

More About JOEL CHANDLER WOMACK:
Burial: Needles, San Bernardino, CA

I dont have children on Nicholas nor the parents of John yet...Just let me know
if this fits before I do any more looking...

My grandaddy was Nicholas Womack. His daddy was John Edward Womack and his daddy I was told was Albritton Womack. Can anyone make this fit anywhere?

Hey Sam, thanks for looking. I saw the marriage to Mary Weed and tracked her to Texas, none of children's names seem to correlate with the one's listed for my John in the 1870 census, so I didn't think it was her.

There is a marriage listed in Bartow County, GA (which borders Paulding County, GA at the north) of John M. Wammack to Peggy A. Watson in 1867, which could be his second marriage, this John was in his father's household in Cass County, GA in 1850. I just haven't found anything on his first one. Most of the early marriages have been posted for that county and his marriage to "Mary" is not there.

In 1850 Thomas and Esther were enumerated in Cass County, GA Division 12:
Thos J Wamack, 43
Esther Wamack, 41
John Wamack,20
Larkin Wamack, 18
Nancy A Wamack, 13
Marion Wamack, 10
William Wamack, 08
Sarah Wamack, 06
Mary Wamack, 03
Georgia A Wamack, 02
A couple of houses down:
Womack, James, 22
Womack, Elizabeth, 21
Womack, Nancy, 4
Womack, 2

That at least put's Thomas's son John in the area about that time.

I don't think he came out of Jackson County, AL (northeast of Etowah), either, although anything is possible. Most of those Womacks were born in Tennessee. If there is any relation to the one's in Etowah County, it's further back.

His sister Nancy, may have moved to Etowah County with him, as there is a Nancy Womack, born the same year as John's sister, who married a ROSSON. I can't find where any other's may have followed.

I did want to say thank you for the tremendous amount of effort both you and Roger have gone to make it easier for everyone to trace their Womack family. Between the two of you, I have been able to put together three generations.

If anyone is doing research in these areas and finds anything on this family, I would appreciate an email.

Susan

Susan
We can forget the John W and Mary Reed marriage. Looked further and found this:
Name: Mary C. WEED
Sex: F
Birth: 18 OCT 1835 in Georgia
Death: 27 OCT 1923 in Grayson County, Texas
Burial: Bethlehem Cemetary near Sadler, Texas
Fact 6: Samuel J. Weed, her uncle, performed the wedding ceremony

Name: John W. WOMACK
Sex: M
Birth: 9 SEP 1833
Death: 30 JAN 1884 in Grayson County, Texas
Burial: Bethlehem Cemetary near Sadler, Texas

Susan
Just a little poking around:

JOHN W. WOMACK b. abt 1833
Marriage: 25 NOV 1855 Chattahoochee Co, Georgia
[Note: Ancestry has 11 Nov 1855, the above is LDS].
Wife
MARY C. WEEDE b abt 1835


1870 Census, Etowah Co GA Post Office Attalla

Womack John 36 born GA
Peggy A 26 she and ALL children born GA
Thomas 16
Mary A 13
James 10
John D 7
Malissa 4
W P 6/12
Census was taken 28 Jun 1870. They moved to AL right between the
time the last child listed was born and the census. This would
also indicate he married Peggy A in GA.

1850 Census Marion Co GA
You may want to also take this in consideration for Johns parents:
Womack, Wm 47 NC
Nancy 44 NC
John 16 he and all listed children born GA
Mary 13
Gustiv 9
Joseph 7

I am trying to figure out what happened Thomas's offspring, John and Nancy, after the 1850 census. I have a gggrandfather, John W. Womack, in Etowah County, AL I can't find parents for. The children's names for "J.W." Womack (1860 Paulding County)who I think may be John, are identical to my ggggrandfather's children and are the same age. If this is him, Mary, his first wife, may have died, as he married "Peggy A." LNU sometime around 1867. My ggggrandfather moved from Georgia sometime between 1867 and 1870 when he first shows up on the census in Etowah County, AL.

1850 Cass County, GA Census
Thos J Wamack, 43, 1806, Georgia, Male, Division 12, Cass, GA
Esther Wamack, 41, 808, South Carolina, Female
John Wamack 20 1829 Georgia Male
Larkin Wamack 18 1831 Georgia Male
Nancy A Wamack 13 1836 Georgia Female
Marion Wamack 10 1839 Georgia Male
William Wamack 08 1841 Georgia Male
Sarah Wamack 06 1843 Georgia Female
Mary Wamack 03 1846 Georgia Female
Georgia A Wamack 02 1847 Georgia Female

In the 1860 Paulding County, GA Huntsville PO District I found
J. W. womack living close to Thomas and Ester (Esther):

J.W. Womack, head, 30 male, day laborer, GA
Mary Womack, 27, female, GA
Thomas Womack, 6, male, AL
Mary Womack, 3, female, GA
James Womack, 9M, male, GA

If someone could point me in the right direction, I would appreciate it.

Thank you for your feed back Sam. I do have to make a correction Moms name is spelled Esther. My husband and I had two deaths in the family in two months. It put my mind in low gear. I am sorry I upset anyone. I have been out of the scene for some time. And Sam thank you for your kind words for mom, it helps me keep going. I will miss her alot.

Thank you so very much will definetly follow up this may be the break I was looking for! Thanks

Sam and other Womack cousins; I am taken aback with these messages that keep popping on this web site. If you notice the numbers used at the end are 666. What is this? Can we not have a web site without all of this for a lack of a better word-garbage? I hope it stops soon. I am tired of looking at it whenever I read the current messages and I am sorry in advance if I have offended anyone.

diana

Karen
Did a little snooping around and came up with the following[which needs
to be further verified but will give you a start]:

1880 Census - Haralson Co GA
William WOMACK Self M Male W 37 AL Farmer --- ---
Francis WOMACK Wife M Female W 38 GA Keeping House SC SC
James WOMACK Son S Male W 18 GA Works On Farm AL GA
Sarah WOMACK Dau S Female W 16 GA Works On Farm AL GA
John WOMACK Son S Male W 14 GA Works On Farm AL GA
William WOMACK Son S Male W 12 GA Works On Farm AL GA
Violia WOMACK Dau S Female W 5 GA AL GA
Henry WOMACK Son S Male W 5 GA AL GA
Lester WOMACK Son S Male W 1 GA AL GA
==============================================
1900 Census Haralson Co GA, 7th District

Womack, Lester age 20 born GA
Frances age 21
==============================
Another one where I had to find the child to find the parent!

1920 Census, Emerson, Bartow Co, GA
Womac Lester age 41
Cora age 28
Eva Age 7 [1913]
Dora Belle age 5
Felton W age 3 1/2
==========================================

1930 Census Emerson District, Bartow Co, GA [may or may not be them, but good bet]
Womack, G Lester age 46 born GA
Cora age 38 GA
Felton W age 14 GA
George L Jr age 7 GA
Barbara age 5 GA
==========================================
In 1910, Reuben Golden [wife Rena] was in Emanuel Co GA -
no Womack children with him..

I cannot find George Lester 1910 nor Eva nor James Henry

Pamela
Sorry to hear about the loss of your mother...

Now the posting I made: I dont believe anyone can say I slammed any particular
religion - I have been around Muslins, Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, Jews and
whatever else -- yeah, even atheists..I am pretty open minded about religion.

In the future, if you have anything to say to me on a matter such as this, I trust you will have the courtesy to use direct-to-me e-mail.

I am searching for a Lester Womack. He was my paternal great grandfather. He married Francis Vera Golden in Harralson County GA on Dec 9 1898. They had two children my grandmother Eva Viola and a son James Henry. My grandmother was born in Dallas GA in 1900. I believe Lester or G. L. Womack as it is on the marriage certificate was born in 1878 in GA. in 1904 Vera passed in Alabama and somewhere between 1904 and 1910 the two children were given up to their grandfather Rueben F Golden. My father remembers taking a trip when he was 9 or 10 to Georgia with his mother to visit her father but he had died just previous to her visit. This would have been around 1944. He remembers Lester had remarried and had at least one daughter around his age. I dont believe that Lester wanted to give his children up to their grandfather and tried to stay in TN to be close to them but was "ran out of town" so to speak. My grandmother had a hard life with her grandfather and I would so love to find her real fathers family and history.

In response to Beth's and my complaint to the FCC, the following was received:

In reply to the complaint to the FCC regarding the over 100,100 posts RULEZ666 made in February on the web, I have been directed to the Federal Trade Commission. If any of you Womack researchers are annoyed by this person and understand that he is using valuable space on WGN, you can file a complaint with the FCC. The email addy for the FTC can be obtained at http://www.ftc.gov

Please forgive me for misspelled words. I have a white cat that likes to lay in front of the keyborad. The town is Platteville, WI she was cremated and buried at the Greenwood Cemeitary. Again forgive the bad spelling.

Sam Please I hope you are more open minded about people that have other beliefs other then Christan. I myself believe in other beliefs. I do not try to influence any one. What you and others believe in , is right for you and when someone believes in is right for then. As for Rulez666 this is not a web site for useless website advertising or pushing of. Please if you have something to tell let it be on the subject matter at hand. Not a bunch of garbage there is enough of that on the internet as it is. Thank you for listening.
Also some news my mother Ester Womack from Plattevill, WI Passed away on Dec. 18th 2006. It was a long and hard fight for her. But she is now in peace. If anyone wants more information please contact me. I will be glad to give it out.
Again thank you fro letting me state my mind.
Pamela Womack Gutsche

Obviously this rulez666 person had no proper upbringing - more than likely raised in a pig pen with all the ooze and slime - if this person had had a
mother and father [which I seriously doubt] IT would not be the type person IT
is today -- rather tend to lead to a more kindly and gentle approach towards
others, not harassing them. Ms or Mr Rulez666, when you say yor prayers tonight,
make sure they are to God; and not Satan as it appears where your admiration lies.

Charlotte you are welcome..

By the way, anyone looking thru those censuses and finds an error or addition,
let me know and I will correct with an annotation per whoever - bear in mind
that those indexes are not always accurate - In one instance I found a child
but not the rest of the family who was on the image but not the index..I have
found entire counties lef tout in Arkansas and Illinois I have tried to go
thru watch one that doesnt have too many images pages; over 60 I draw a line at!
I think either the 1850 or 1860 TN, maybe both, left out groups of people
that I added from reviewing the microfilm years ago -- also keep in mind that
there are many, many variation of the last name - generally, a search on
soundex for Womack or Warmack will pick them up - but not always - One of these days I am going to go through and check each one individually and see what
happens -

In the meantime what is there is helpful as shown --- Hopefully most of you
availed your self of a review of the WWI draft registrations and the WWII
enlistments -- I think I also have a list of deaths and POWs, etc or am
working on them --

I am dropping three of my domains and consolidating the sites on RootsWeb - I
have already moved, en-masse, my British data, and links to Rogers Brit data,
over -- was getting a bit pricey -- If you go to my main web site and click in
you wont notice any change at all, except the URL is different..
I will be deleting all census data from the state pages since they are listed
on their own now -- I will leave the Arkansas Sheriffs censuses where they
are on the Arkansas page...there are other state censuses out there and I will
find and place them in their proper aspect as they are found and recorded.

In the meantime, if any of you find any broken links, please let me know so
I can fix them. thanks
Sammers

Thanks Sam, for your suggestions. I was able to gain access to the data. This time I printed it out so I won't have this problem again.

Charlotte
This cold and whatever else it is has got my head all screwed up
Thats righ column near bottom -- sorry..

Charlotte
If you are talking about the census pages I put up on RootsWeb - they are still
there and accessible thru www.samsawadee.net - left column near bottom -
Beth had that problem also -- dont know why - just checked and they are there.

Yesterday I found the WOMACK census listing on freepages at Roots Web, and today it says the web site is closed or has moved. What's going on here? It had the 1910, 1920, 1930 censuses with all the Womacks listed by county. Any suggestions?

Carol
thank you - but cant say for sure taken care of - does look like we got
a nuther idjit posting... If any of you would like to copy, paste and send
some of this junk on - the address in fccinfo@fcc.gov - perhaps if they get
enough complaints on the same area - they might react more promptly - but give them a break, they get tons of this crap all the time..

Diana, you are welcome, and I do hope something will be done.

Phyllis,your connection to VA working backwards:

Abraham Minter Womack and Elizabeth C Robinson Jones Co Ga to Anderson Co TX
William Womack and Mary Ann "Polly" Silvey Hancock Co GA
Jesse Womack and Dorothy Prior Prince Edward Co VA to Madison Co Ga
Richard Womack III and Ann "Nancy" Childers Henrico Co Va to Burke Co GA
Richard Womack II and Elizabeth Ann Puckett Henrico Co VA
Richard Womack I and Mary Elizabeth Ruth Puckett Henrico Co VA

Probably needs a little more verification and this is info I have received from
various sources..

Thanks Sam for taking care of this problem

diana

Thanks for all the information. I am trying to connect Abram Minter Womack born 24 Jly 179 in Georgia (?)to the Virginia Womacks, died in Anderson Texas 19 October 1861. He married Elizabeth Combs Robinson in Milledgeville, Georgia 8 Sept. 1825. My husband is his great, great, grandson, William Minter Womack, Jr. Please help! Thanks, Phyllis

OOOKK! Enough is enough - I have copied all those posts and forwarded them to
the FCC for action --

Sandi
Naaah! We got us a bird, mebbe two or three, that gonna get their feathers
tarred and burned when the FCC gets hold of them!!

Looks like we have picked up a few viruses...

Sam,
I updated my DNA at both ybase and ysearch. At ysearch I found near matches(genetic distance 2) for 8B7Z8 Geer amd J9MTB Williams. I've emailed both hoping for a response soon.
Fred

A bit more on the DNA subject: The Feb 6, 2006 issue of Newsweek had an interesting article on DNA testing.

The following is ONE explanation for why there can be DNA matches to other surnames...I'm sure this didn't only happen in Wake Co NC! (I've left out some of the legal mumbo-jumbo)

Wake County NC Bastardy Bonds

“The State vs. Matilda Laurence Wt for BASTARDY. ……Whereas information having bin this day made to us Green Huckabe & James Huckabe two of the acting Justices…Matildah Laurence Single woman…has been delivrd of Child…which was born a bastard and may become Chargeable to County….Therefore Command you to apprehend and bring Said Matildah before us…..to answer above Charge & be further dealt with….25 December 1828” (on back was written) The Examination of Matilda Laurence Single Woman This day before us…being Chargd with being deliverd of Child which was born a bastard, who saith on oath that William Womack Junr did Begitt the Said Child and hath Charged him with Same….16 January 1829”

Also on 16 January 1829 a warrant was issued for the apprehension of William Womack Junr on charges of Bastardy. On the back of this warrant was the note that William had been brought before the justices and had entered into Bond and Security 14 February 1829.

“The Justices vs Wm Womack BASTARDY BOND Feby 1829. Know all men by These preasants (sic) that we Wm Womack, Willie Womack & Warren Sugg are held and firmly bound unto the Justices…in sum of five hundred dollars…to which payment will and truly be made, we bind ourselves……this 14th day of February AD 1829. Condition of above obligation: above boundd William Womack stands Charged according to Law with being the reputed Father of a Bastard Child of which Matildah Laurence has lately bin deliverd….above Bounded William Womack his heirs Executors &c do and shall from time to time and at all times hereafter acquit, Discharge and save harmless the overseers of the Poor and inhabitants of Said County from all Costs Charges & trouble whatsoever for and by reason of the Birth Maintenance & bringing up of Said Child and from all suits Charges and demands whatsoever touching and concerning the Same….[signed] William Womack Junr Wilie (mark) Womack Warren Sugg Jas Huckabe JP Gn Huckabee JP”

Then the SAME DAY! Another Bond for $500 worded basically as the above except as follows: “William Womack Stands Charged according to Law with being the reputed Father of a Bastard Child of which Salley Olive has lately bin Deliverd….” signed same as above

As a reminder:

When posting queries, as a minimum: name(s), first and last, maiden, married,
any dates available, real or estimated, state(s) lived in; parents names. This gives those of us who try to respond to a query something to go on -- And may enable us to respond to you at all.

Hi! May I aks you who did design for this site?
I have my own sites ut I do not like its colors at all.
Yours looks much better I guess.
Im trying to find someone who are really great designer.
WDSK

Ina,

Linda Jehle is trying to contact you about your family! She is Herman Hamilton's granddaughter. Her email addy is whitesocks@in-tch.com

Beth

My new Email address above for anyone trying to contact me. Changed from: inaruth@earthlink.net Still tracing Flurida Womack and cannot find father named William David Womack.

j.a.(dooley)womack of camden,ar,went to be with the lord feb 16,2006,born nov 1,1924 in princeton,ar,to andrew jackson & thelma lawernce womack.he was a graduate of princeton h.s.and henderson state teachers college and was elected to the arkansas house of rep before graduting from college.an office he held for two terms followed by four terms in the house & 12 yrs in the arkansas senate.afterward he was a realtor,he leaves his dear wife elizabeth ann (amy)harrell womack & three son, lance andrew,tim a.& carey don womack and a daughter,anna leah womack teagarden, he was a methodist,proctor funeral home is in charge of arrangements and burial in memorial park cemetary in camden,ar

Fred
Thanks - When I find my password, ect, I am going into ybase and deleting the
erroneous test. If you have yours, you can add the correct and delete the old
ones -- There is a place to click in to have the sign in/pass sent to you - I'
just hope I didnt use another e-mail address that the one I use mostly now..

Sam,
When you & I retested, my final report was
13 12 14 12 14 30 24 10 13 13 12 14 15 9 12 11 11 11 12 23 12

I never updated the final results to ysearch. org, but will correct that error soon,
Fred

Will the real Womacks please stand up? I am sort of fascinated with the DNA
correlation between those of us who have been tested. Here is a brief look at
how odd the results really are:

Notice the claimed descent. Note the difference in the DNA.

14-14-15-14-12-28-23-10-11-13-00-11-16-10-11-10-12-13-13-22-11 [Abe I]
14-11-14-12-13-29-23-11-13-14-12-12-15-12-13-10-12-11-12-25-11 [Abe I]
14-11-14-12-13-29-23-11-13-14-00-12-15-12-13-10-12-11-12-25-12 [Richard I]
13-12-14-12-14-31-24-10-13-13-12-12-15-12-12-11-12-11-13-23-12 [earliest ancestor listed 1801]
13-00-00-12-14-30-24-10-13-13-12-12-14-12-09-11-12-11-12-23-12 [wife beater John]

Theres enough marked differences in the first 2 that being related thru
a common ancestor is very remote. However, in 2 and 3, there is enough
to indicate descent thru a common ancestor. As there is close evidence
for 4 and 5.

This would indicate that somewere after Abe I something happened...whether
it happened after Number 1; or after 2 and 3, is unknown--However, there
is enough marked difference to indicate neither John, nor the later
person[number 4], was a true brother to any of the first three...

Not putting any names for privacy reasons, here are how the results of the DNA
testing, plus 2 others I found closely related:

Group 1
14-14-15-14-12-28-23-10-11-13-12-11-16-10-11-13-10-12-13-22-12
14-14-15-14-12-28-23-10-11-13----11-16-10-11-10-12-13-13-22-11
14-14-15-14-12-28-23-10-11-13-12-11-16-10-12-10-12-13-13-22-11

Group 2
13-12-14-12-14-31-24-10-13-13-12-12-15-12-12-11-12-11-12-23-12

Group 3
14-11-14-12-13-29-23-11-13-14-14-12-15-12-13-10-11-12-13-25-12
14-11-14-12-13-29-23-11-13-14-12-12-15-12-13-10-11-11-13-25-12
14-11-14-12-13-29-23-11-13-14-12-12-15-12-13-10-11-11-12-25-12
14-11-14-12-13-29-23-11-13-14-00-12-15-12-13-10-12-11-13-25-12
14-11-14-12-13-29-23-11-13-14-00-12-15-12-13-10-11-11----25-12 [Meeks]
14-11-14-12-13-29-23-11-13-14----12-15-12-13-11-12-11-13-25-11 [Fitzpatrick]

Doretta,

Re: has anyone from Henry Womack & Susan's line through their son Robert of Halifax Co Va taken the DNA test?

Yes, Mark Womack.

Re: has a descendant of Thomas Womack & Sarah Owen been DNA tested?

Yes, Lyle Leon Womack, care of daughter Margy Granger.

Abraham Womack married Tabitha Hudson 17 August 1785 Halifax Co VA, Bk 1 Pg 8, Bondsman: Fred Vaughan Witness: Frederic Vaughan, Stephen Jones Signer of Certificate: Tabitha Hudson.

Sam, Beth, Doris and anyone else who has an interest or data or proof that proves or disproves any of the following. First, has anyone from Henry Womack & Susan's line through their son Robert of Halifax Co Va taken the DNA test? Also has a descendant of Thomas Womack & Sarah Owen been DNA tested? Second, could Thomas Womack & Sarah Owen's son Abraham be the one who married Tabitha Hudson and the son of Thomas Womack & Louivsa Rice be the Abraham who married in 1804 Susannah Parker? It is said that an Abraham Womack married 21 Oct 1686 in Halifax Co VA to an Tabitha Jane Hudson. Could the marriage date of 1686 by any chance be a typo? The date of 1686 is before the county of Halifax was formed. If the marriage was in 1686, it could not have been recorded in Halifax Co VA if there was not a Halifax Co VA. Should the date maybe read 21 Oct 1786 Halifax Co VA? Last, I wonder if Thomas Womack & Sarah Owen are maybe Miles & Henry Womack (of Halifax Co VA) connection to the main Womack bunch. Miles & Henry were sons of William Womack who was the son of Abraham Womack. I think this Abraham is the one who married Tabitha Hudson and is maybe the son of Thomas Womack & Sarah Owen. I don't have enough data or proof to really say for sure. What do you fellows think? Doretta

Diana
A DNA test for yourself would prove who your mother was; and maybe females on back - however, I know little about that one. There is a test to see, yes/no
answer only I understand, for Americal Indian heritage -- one of those I listed
below does that -

Hello everyone, Hi Sam. I have been reading the messages about the DNA. I am a distant cuz of Sam and it has been told through the generations that we had Native American heritage and I would really be interested in finding out for sure if this family folklore is a tall tale or fact. I understand that I can order a DNA test for females but is this as accurate as for males.

diana

In addition I suggest also updating to ybase.org, relative genetics and Sorensens also - the more you post to - the better chance of hitting somewhere.

I did a check on Sorensens - I possibly have mentioned this before; but, I matched with a Meeks [94%+] closer than I did Jack and a couple others -- In fact, I had about 20 hits higher - most from 80 to 88.80 % - I had two other hits in the 90's that were not Womacks - One one of these postings, I matched in the 90%iles with a Fife [Barney?].

Some DNA testing advice...I'm a project administrator for 2 surname projects (it's an easy job!)and we use FamilytreeDNA in Texas. IF you want to use this company, here are some tips: there is a surname project that has been set up for the Womack surname, but it has no members....the guy that has set it up has done so for a lot of random surnames so I don't know his connection to the Womack's. I would still suggest that anyone interested join thru this project (if you want to use this company) since it will save you $60 over testing independantly! (Go to www.familytreedna.com and at the top right there is a box for surname search....type in Womack and it will show 3 options: 2 for some Florida projects that include Womacks and 1 just for Womack. Click the blue link and it will take you to the Womack page.) I don't know about the other companies, but this one also includes general ethnic heritage and would tell if any direct male ancestor was Native American. Once you order the kit, it usually arrives in 2-3 days (depending on where you live!)and after you return it, it usually takes about 6 weeks for results. The wait is the hard part!

Sam is also 100% correct...don't order any test less than 21 markers! FamilytreeDNA does theirs by 12, 25 or 37 markers. 25 is usually a good starting point and one can always ask for an upgrade to more later without taking the test again. Sam is also right on the money that regardless of which company that you test with, be sure to upload your results to Ysearch.org (it's free too!) Hope this helps!

Beth
Here are a few places where you can check for the best prices and speedy results. Ensure those testing ask for at least a 21 or higher marker test.

http://www.genelex.com/
http://www.genebase.com/
http://www.genetrack.com/ancestry/
http://www.familytreedna.com/genbygen.html
http://www.cyndislist.com/dna.htm
http://www.relativegenetics.com/relativegenetics/index.jsp
www.dnaheritage.com [based in England where most of us had ours done]
http://www.worldfamilies.net/
http://smgf.org/

Sam and anyone who has this info,

For those who are interested in DNA testing and have a straight-line male Womack, please advise where to obtain a testing kit, including approximate cost, etc.

I just posted a request for DNA testing on all the Womack message boards on Rootsweb.. Maybe we will get some participation???

Hi! I love it!

Fred-Judy
OOPS methinks
Benjamin Womack who Married Mary Lanier - I found the index list of names on line...no papa for Ben in there...

Fred-Judy

"LANIER" by Louise Ingersol, 4th printing 1981, Goetz Printing Co, Springfield, VA
is available in most Georgia libraries. Which Benjamin is the topic of Sam's recent post? The Laniers who came to southeast GA in the 1770's are well documented from several sources. Several original records remain in County Probate records and at GA Archives.

Never mind the Library of Congress - Benjamin is here -- someone has indexed the names in the book:

http://www.mindspring.com/~wdlanier/index5.html

Beth Dorinda Jan
Posting this here as mail keeps getting bounced back from Jan --

The FHC here does not have the Ingersoll book, nor does SLC -- Will see if
Library of Congress has [I think it does] and get on interlibrary loan ...

Judy-Darrell
If you have an old hard drive lying around doing nothing - and it is 10 gigs or
higher, buy a case to fit it in for an external hard drive - it wont be affected by crashes - store all your genealogical data in it -- just remember to reformat the old drive before installing -- if you dont have one - you can buy them already put together - but they are more expensive than rolling your own - a 20gig here was $119 -- I bought a 100g drive and a case for 97 including tax. Then bought another case for 39 and installed a 30gig in it..
I use the 30 for my data - and am going to drop the whole harddrive from the computer into the 100 -- Then, let it crash!!

One more tidbit, if you drop stuff into an external drive from the net - ensure you do some spyware, virus checks on it periodically even if you do have a good virus and firewall protection - I am using spycatcher 2006 running in the background and it drives me crazy catching stuff the firewall dont!! A ding ding here, a ding ding every where!

On those final DNA results posted by Robert - mine and Fred's are incorrect.
Ours had to be redone --

My following markers should read as follows:
385a-11, 385b-14, 437-15, 438-12, 439-13, 461-12, a10-13. The rest are OK.
Matching those of Roger and some others much better than shown..

Hi Sam

It's funny that you would mention Meeks - my grandmother, Marie (Jacobs) Womack Meeks, was married to Paul Meeks - who was her second husband. Grandma Marie was married first to my father's dad, John Palmer Womack. I have not been able to find out much about the Jacobs', or Meeks, but will look into that further.

Sandi

Hey Judy..

Through the generosity of our researcher, Robert Burke, we still have the participants, their lineages and results posted on the web! Be sure and check the "Final Results".

http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~reburke/lines/data/womack/dna/index.html

To all who want to know where the DNA results are posted go here:

http://www.ybase.org/sfound.asp

If it doesnt work with the /sfound.asp - drop that, go to the main page and
click on search by surname---some of the results have who they are; some dont.

We do need more participation - I am trying to get some Womacks in England to
do the testing - that would sure help a little in maybe identifying the approximate area ours came from -- To bad we couldnt have convinced Jan to have her husband do the testing before we lost contact with her...

I am in contact with a lady, maiden name Womack, father still alive and in England; father's brother alive and in Australia - they both came from
one of the Lophams in Norfolkshire..her father is quite sensitive about family ancestry [dont we all know how that goes!!], but hopefully she can convince him to do a DNA test and furnish us with the results for the Womack DNA page - I have their family line back to Arthur Womack who died Jun 1607..will proved
Jun 27, 1607..

The more we can get the better - so some of you male Womacks that havent participated - could we ask if you would consent to obtain a DNA test and post the results to the above page?

Darrell and Judy and Beth

To Darrel and Judy, thanks I knew there was someone else that matched Roger and I - did Darrell post his DNA to the Womack DNA page??

To Beth - for what it is worth - remember James Garner's granny was a Womack
that married a Meeks - I havent been able to identify the one I match so close, but suspect it may be a Womack raised as a Meeks...just a thought --
James' goes back to Richard III who was a brother to my Alex Sr.

As far as Lindsay, also Fife and a couple others in the 80 percentiles - I am
still working on identifying those -- Will post when, and if, I find out something.

Beth and Sam

Darrel matched with Roger in the DNA, and would be more then happy to share the numbers. Good luck with his test.
When my computer crashed and fried, I lost a lot of contracts, Jack's DNA page was one of them. I have learned to copy on an other computer all your contracts.

Sammers~

We might have been born at 10th and center....ten miles from town in the center of the woods....in Arkansas, but Montiel and Jerry didn't pull the wool over our eyes one bit. A mother's mtDNA can be passed from mother to son, but the son cannot pass it to his children. Besides adoption and other "affairs of folks" we suspect in many lines, look at the times we've learned that the offspring of Abraham Womack, Sr. intermarried. And his Blanton son's line married back into the Womack family.

Some time I'd like to hear about the Meeks and Lindsay lines!

Beth,
Yes, I have an opinion.. If Abe I dfescended from William the Immigrant and
Richard I and the others were his brothers - then I should have the same DNA as
Jack - My match to Jack is less than 80% - yet with Roger and another or two, I match 95% or better - I also match 93.3 with a Meeks and 85% with a Lindsay.

So, somewhere back there, there were some adoptions or something where the name Womack was applied, but the people were not.. My opinion-- The DNA testing we did indicated about 3 disctinct lines that were supposed to be from the immigrant; but were barely close enough to call cousin if that...
Any testing will help; and, if you have someone willing to do so; let them have at it...anything will help..

Andpuhleeze dont let Montiel and Jerry and those confuse you that a match can be made from a male to a female -- as I understand it nope...

Oops.....I missed a generation....Abraham Jr. was the father of William. I kept thinking about Jack telling me William and Lucy were first-half cousins, and went back to the family group sheet....Thomas (m. Louvisa) and was a half brother of Abraham, Jr. Sorry for the confusion.

Jack, Sam and other participants of the Womack DNA project:

There's a Womack family willing to participate in DNA testing. Based on the info I have, they descend from one of William (son of Abraham and Eliabeth Stubblefield) and Lucy's (dau. of Thomas and Louvisa) sons. More than likely it's Josiah's line, since we've eliminated William and Lucy's other sons. Thomas (m. Louvisa) was the son of Abraham Womack and Ann Blanton. William (m. Lucy, dau. of Thomas and Louvisa) was the son of the same Abraham Womack and Elizabeth Stubblefield. So we would have to compare the new DNA to a a descendant of William's or his brothers, John, Joshua, Levy or Jeremiah's descendants.

I have the following questions regarding any further DNA testing:

1. How would we compare the new participant's DNA to the previous participants? I guess I mean "who" would do this. If I remember correctly the test results are sent to a project administrator. Jack was the co-administrator, but I'm not sure he's in a position to do any further administrative work at this time. How 'bout ya, Jackson?

2. Would the male descendants of Thomas (m. Louvisa) and the descendants of William (m. Lucy, dau. of Thomas and Louvisa) have comparable DNA since they both descend from Abraham?

3. On the "Final Report", does anyone see any previous participants to compare with? Since Jack descends from Abraham, I guess his DNA would be a close match.

Does ANYONE have an opinion?

Doris, My father does not know if they are related to him, sorry. He hasn't been much help to me either.

Sam, Doris, Randy - Thanks. You fellows have been helpful. Your postings help me to update some of the data that I receive quite sometime ago from who I think was maybe Roger at WGN. Anyway it was when I first started working on Don's branch of Womacks of Halifax Co VA.. What you fellows have posted does show that the death date of 1909 for Bettie E Throckmorton Womack was most likley a typo. I have now corrected it to 1929. The data that I had didn't give Bettie's last name. Throckmorton was a lucky guess on my part. Anyway since your postings, I have checked RootsWeb to see what could be found. There was a Elijah Throckmorton who married 3 times. One marrige was 10 Dec 1859 Halifax Co VA to Sally Ann Saunders B abt 1840 and they had a daughter Bettie b abt 1863. Bettie had an older half-brother named Branch S Throckmorton b abt 1840 who married Sarah A _____ b abt 1845. It seems that this Bettie is maybe the Bettie E who married John H Womack, son of Robert & Louisa. Doretta

FLETCHER WOMMACK, ALFRED, WOMMACK, LULA WOMMACK,LUDIE E WOMMACK. THERE FATHER WAS, JAMES EDWARD WOMMACK, MOTHER FLORENCE WOMMACK . FROM JASPER COUNTY GEORGIA
THE HENDERSON- COOK DISTRICT #292. FOUND A FEW OF THEM. NOT MUCH ON THIS FAMILY
IF ANYONE CAN HELP / PLEASE CONTACT ME ? THANKS ED COWAN

Randy,

You said that your father knew Jeter and Letcher Womack. Did your father ever state whether they were related; if so, did your father say how they were related?

DORRETA: BETTIE E WOMACK IS BURIED BESIDE HER HUSBAND AT CLOVER TOWN CEMERARY. ON HER TOMBSTONE FEB 5 1864 AND MAR 22 1929.SO I HOPE THAT HELPS YOU OUT.ALSO BRANCH THROCKMORTON IS BURIED BEHIND THEM I BELIEVE HE WAS IN THE CIVAL WAR. DORIS EDGAR GREEN WOMACK WAS MARRIED TO MARY L SEAMSTER THEY ARE BURIED BESIDE EACH OTHER AT MAURY CEMETERY IN RICHMOND

This is what I have on R E Womack.
Robert Edd Womack b abt 1834 d 26 May 1884 Halifax Co VA
Father: Henry Womack
Mother: Susan A. B. [maiden name unknown]
Wife: Louisa H. Crowder b abt 1844
Married: 14 October 1858 Halifax Co VA
Children:
Emily R. Womack b abt 1859 m James R. Francis 02 January 1879 Halifax Co VA
John H. Womack b abt 1863 m Bettie Elizabeth Throckmorton 06 November 1882 Halifax Co VA
Mary R. Womack b abt 1863 m John Godsey
Rosa B. Womack b abt 1864 m1 Allen Ferrell m2 J. S. B. Cash
Robert Lemuel Womack b abt 1868 m Pattie Roberts [I have their marriage in paper files but not on computer] They were married in Charlotte Co VA
Nanny Womack b abt 1871 m1 John E. Francis 19 January 1887 Halifax Co VA
m2 Eli W. Hill
Charles Watson Womack b abt 1873 m1 Sallie Ola Hudson m2 Nellie Pearl Hudson
Edgar Green Womack b abt 1877 m Lula [maiden name unknown]

Doretta, Teresa, Randy, et al
This is quite long, sorry, but needs to be together. I think we are dealing with two or more families with same or similar names --

1880 census, Roanoke, Halifax, VA
R. E. J. WOMACK Self M Male W 46
Eliza WOMACK Wife M Female W 36 [census is quite clear on name]
John H. WOMACK Son S Male W 19
Mary R. WOMACK Dau S Female W 17
Rose B. WOMACK Dau S Female W 14
Robt L. WOMACK Son S Male W 12
Nanny WOMACK Dau S Female W 9
Chas WOMACK Son S Male W 7
Edgar WOMACK Son S Male W 3

1870 Census Roanoke, Halifax, VA
Womack, Robert 37
Louisa 26
Emily 11
John 9
Rosa B 6
Robt 2
Mary 7

1860 Census, Halifax Co
Womack Robert E 26
Louisa 17
Amy 7/12 [is this really Emily?]


1850 Census, Northern District, Halifax Co, VA

Henry Womack 50
Susan 40
Robert E 16
6 siblings

then in 1900 Census, Richmond, Jackson Ward, Richmond City VA
I find a Louisa A Womack born abt Jan 1843 head of house no
other womacks living with.
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And of course we have all seen this one:
From Va State Library Files.
Womack, Robert E.
Publication [1884].
Gen. note Race: White.
Gender: Male.
Date of death: May 26, 1884.
Place of death: Halifax County.
Cause of death: pneumonia.
Age at death: 52 year(s).
Place of birth: Halifax County.
Occupation: farmer.
Note Source of information: Halifax County, 1884, page 4, line 18.
Note Part of the Death Records Indexing Project which is sponsored by
the Virginia Genealogical Society.
Subject - Personal Womack, Robert E.
Womack, Henry, father.
Womack, Susan, mother.
Womack, Lou, consort.
Womack, Lou, informant (Wife).
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1880 Census, Northern District, Halifax Co
B S and Sarah Throckmorton ages 40 and 34 respectively
1870 Census, Staunton, Halifax, VA
Branch Throckmortons wife Sarah A.. he age 30 she age 25 no children.
1860 he was in Roanoke Distict, Halifax, VA age 20
1850 Northern District, Halifax, VA age 10
1910 Census
Womack, John H 47
Bettie E 45
Throckmorton, Sallie 78 [mother-in-law]
Note: The census says Bettie had born no children, none dead...
so that is probably why he had his brothers and sister in his will.
A good question here is why Branch wrote a will in 1920; but
his wife is with John and Bettie? And listed as a widow??
I cannot find a marriage date on this John H and Bettie...

Odd is that on the 1900 there is a John Throckmorton,age 75
that has a 60 year old Sallie, mother living with. She has had one child
still living..So dont believe Bettie is of this Branch and Sarah Marriage, do you?
Next family is John H Womack age 25, wife Sallie age 23
Son Ernest age 3; daughter Berny age 1----

Randy - It is great hearing from you. Your posting has helped me to understand a little more about the Halifax Co VA Womacks. But I still can't figure out the following problem about BETTIE. Something is mixed up. I have that JOHN H WOMACK b Aug 12 1861 d Feb 23 1926 is the son of Robert Womack & Louise Crowder. Also I have that John H married Bettie _____ B Feb 5 1864 D March 22 1909. Now I also have where Branch S Throckmorton in his will written 16 June 1920 bequeaths everything to J.H. Womack and appoints him executor of his last will. The will was probated May 1 1925 in court with W.M.Meyers and Peachy Gregory and J.H. Womack saying it was Branch's last will. Now I have JOHN H WOMACK who in his will written Feb 13 1901 nominates and appoints his wife BETTIE E the sole executrix to his will. Now on Feb 27 1926 BETTIE E WOMACK with A.L. Williams and F.A. Waddell come to court to probate John H Womack's will. Also on Feb 27 1926 Bettie E Womack names John H Womack's heirs who were his brothers and sisters. I have the heirs listed as children of Robert Womack and Louise Cowder. Now I say Bettie couldn't have died in 1909 if she was executrix in 1926. Did John H Womack marry twice? to 2 different Betties? Or is the J.H Womack of Throckmorton's will and John H Womack different men? Was one of those BETTIEs a Throckmorton? Does the death date of 1909 really belong to a Bettie but not to John H Womack's wife Bettie E? Could one of those ELIZA that we have been talking about, be a ELIZ (Elizabeth)(Bettie) and born Feb 5 1864 and (or just) died on March 22 1909? Sam, what do you think? Does anyone have any insight on any of the people named? Sorry for so many questions. Doretta.

TO: HALIFAX WOMACK'S:
A CORRECTION NEEDS TO BE MADE TO THE INFORMATION I PREVIOUSLY SENT TO YOU EARLIER TODAY.

EDGAR GREEN WOMACK'S DAUGHTER WAS LOUISE ESTELLE WOMACK.

Attention Halifax Womacks (Sam, Doris, Doretta, Teresa)
I cannot add much more than y'all have already posted

Robert E Womack was in fact my great great grandfather
I do think that you are talking about two different Williams and two different Elizabeths.Robert E Womack's wife was Loise Crowder.They had many children, one by the name Edgar Green Womack, and his daughter, who just recently passed was Loise Elizabeth Womack. I believe that she was named after her grandmother Louise Crowder Womack.She is survived by a sister who is eighty-five years old and live in Richmond Va.

Also Robert Lemuel Womack has a living daughter who was born around 1914.She did not know her grandmother Louise Crowder Womack which leaves me to believe that she was already deceased at this time.

The eldest daughter of Robert and Louise was Emily who married James Francis. Doretta spoke of a cemetery in Dryburg. I have been there and have seen many unmarked graves.I believe many Womacks are buried there, but i have no proof of this.I do know Emily was like a second mother to all the siblings and that the Francis house was a large home just down the road from the cemetary.

Teresa, my father knew Jeter and Letcher Womack, and they lived in the Mt. Laurel area.Jeter had a daughter who was good friends with my aunt, Bobbie Jane Womack, who married James Wolf. I live in Richmond and my be able to go to the state library for you if there is something specific that you need.

Kevin
Sent you a some what lengthy E-mail -- Would make one suggestion - since it
appears John Sr was married abt 1797 in GA - poss Washington Co, a looksee at
their marriage records may help...have nil on marriage pf JOhn Jr, yet..

Best Sites :)

Hello. I am looking for someone that has documented proof of the marriage and children of John N. Womack, Sr. He was born 25 Dec 1776 and died 29 Jul 1848 in Washington County, Alabama. He married Frances Coleman (14 Feb 1781, d. 29 Dec 1852 in Grimes County, Texas). I have his will, but not all of his children are mentioned. I specifically need proof of his marriage and parentage to his son John N. Womack, Jr. I am also looking for proof of the marriage of John, Jr. to Tabitha Ford (I can't seem to prove her maiden name).

Any info will be greatly appreciated!

Kevin Thompson
Conroe, TX
nivek@alpacacriations.com

FYI, My United Kingdom information has been reloacted to:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dubbie/UK/index.html

One or two links have been lost and will be updated when found...

Wouls like to make a suggestion for saving your data in case of computer
crashes -- Buy one of those external cases that hold a regular hard drive, install a hard drive in it, and plug it it -- I did that with an old 30Gb drive
and now have all my family stuff, or in process of converting, on it..If the
computer kaputs, I still have the info on that drive -- Of course you can buy them already put together - but that can be expensive, especially if you have an old drive sitting useless somewhere -- Nice thing about it is that I can
carry with my laptop and plug it in and use it...

I am also backing my regular computer files into a similar 100gb external drive.

Doris, Thanks! I recognize some of the names. Ill try to make contact with some of them. Who knows maybe one of them will know something!

Teresa,

I emailed those obits - living individuals.

Doris,Sam,

Thanks for all the info! I now have to schedule time to do this hopefully sometime in Feb. I will keep you all posted.

I dont have the obits you posted and would love to have them!
Thanks

This is going to be a rather large post, I apologize for that; but it needs to
go all at once:


1 Ralph Graves
........+Judith 1 Womack
........2 Sally Graves 1756 -
Sally's birth recorded in records of St James Northam Parish,
Goochland Co, VA, born Sep 1 1756, Chirstened Oct 10, 1756.

Judith was daughter of William and Sarah Woodson Womack.
William being son of Abe I...

I do have a David married to a Delila Graves, Mar 24, 1800, in Caswell Co NC
This couple had TWO daughters Vashtin in 1810; Vashti in 1814.
However that was an LDS entry and Ancestry has a Nancy born 1810.
I have a John Womack who married abt 1772 a Lucy Pryor Tapley. They had a son,
David b. abt 1775 who had a daughter, Vashti b. abt 1800[LDS date}.
This John was son of Richard III and Ann "Nancy" Childers. This appears to be the one
mentioned in the earlier post. Whether or not this is the correct one, I cannot vouch
for it. David, who married Mildred Pryor, was a son also of Richard III.
LDS has John and Lucy as this Davids parents...


David and Mildred had daughter Vashti born about 1848.

A Vashti married Griffin Gunn, Sep 18, 1837, Caswell Co, NC.

Another Vashti b Oct 29, 1802, Womack Hill MS, married a John Baker Jr
abt 1820, probably in MS - Altho this John Baker died Nov 11, 1838 in TX.
This Vashti was the daugher of John N and Frances Coleman womack.
John N was son of Jesse and Dorothy Pryor Womack..Jesse brother
to David who married Mildred. I think Dorothy and Mildred were sisters.

Richard III was brother to Alexander Sr, my 6th great.

From Goodspeed's History of Indepenence Co AR [I am throwing this in because
of the name Robert Bean]:

"In 1812, one John Reed, from Missouri, cut down the first tree on the site
where it now stands, and erected a small store house, and with a supply of
notions and whisky traded with theIndians, trappers and hunters. His example
was followed during the next five years by C. Kelly, Robert Bean, Boswell,
Ringgold and Redmon."

"Col. Robert Bean ran the first keel-boat up White River and established
himself at the mouth of Polk Bayou (Batesville) in 1814."

Have no idea who this Robert Bean is unless perhaps a son/nephew/cousin
of the one who married Martha Womack...

John Bean was Coroner of that area 1821-1823; and there was a Jesse Bean
on the 1830 census.

Sam, Tersa, Doris - The only Bradshaw data that I can at this time come up with, is GABRIEL GARNER GUNN BRADSHAW. (His name interests me because WOMACK & GARNER married in Halifax Co VA, but I haven't been able to find any GARNER connection to Gabriel.) Anyway Gabriel's parents seem to be Polly Gunn & ___ Bradshaw. Polly's relative Griffin Gunn married Vashti Womack b1810, daughter of David Womack & Delilah Graves. The David I am talking about, I believe was the son of John Womack & Lucy ___, and grandson of David Womack & Mildred Pryor. Anyway Delilah Graves seems to be the daughter of Ann/Nancy Slade & John Hendon Graves & granddaughter of Thomas Slade & Hannah Miles. Delilah married first in 1800 David Womack and second in 1819 (a relative) Abner Miles. Also another relative of Delilah Graves was Priscilla Miles who married Samuel Henderson. --- Beth, My own direct lines of Hendersons and Nolands are connected I think to this Samuel Henderson. I know of a Phillip Noland who was killed in the Texas area when it still belonged to Spain. William Bean/Been who was with Phillip, was taken prisoner by the Spanish Soldiers. I think William lived and went home years later. Doretta

Teresa
Those papers cover 11.36 cubic feet - so cannot say that they will do on interlibrary - that is a lot of records....

This is another thing to ponder....er...study! Sorry it's so long. And please remember, some of this is abstracted from the research of others. I also don't know if the editor of "Womack Genealogy" just added 'The Watauga Settlement' information as a source for F.M.'s writing or if he wrote it. This issue has not been formatted.

Francis Marion Womack was nephew of Levi Berry Womack, who married Martha Bean, dau. of Martha Womack and Robert Bean. His grandparents were William {son of Abraham and Elizabeth Stubblefield} and Lucy {dau. of Thomas and Louvisa}. His aunt by marriage was the granddaughter of Maj. Jacob. I asked myself this question: Which side of the family {Womack or Bean} did he learn the following info?

Excerpts from WOMACK GENEALOGY VOL. IV, NO. 1 - JUNE 1960 - WHOLE NO. 7
SKETCHES OF THE WRITER'S FAMILY By F. M. Womack

"....THE WAWAUGA SETTLEMENT See G. R. McGeets author of History of Tennessee a history which has been adapted for use in the Public Schools of Tenn. From page 53 to page 61 inclusive you will find a history of the Watauga and other settlements, where the people met in general convention and elected a committee of thirteen men who were to act as a legisla tive body and make laws suited to the needs of the Watauga and other pioneer settlements of Tenn. We find that William Bean and Jacob Womack [Womacl were chosen members of the committee of thir teen. WE CLAIM THAT THE FAMILY TO WHICH WE BELONG ARE CONNECTED TO THE SAID BEAN AND WOMACK, while the letter (k) is left off the name Womac as appears in said history we are fully satisfied that it is a typographical error. We find that the first county court ever held in Tenn. which was then called Washington County and embraced the entire boundarys of what is now known as Tennessee was held at Watauga Settlement in the Eastern division of the State in the year 1778., and that said Bean and Womack were members of said County Court...."

In the above excerpt, F. M. was talking about William Bean, whose son, Robert Bean, married Rhoda Lane, if the Bean researchers are right. Did F. M. mean his Womack family was related to the William Bean family? That's what he wrote! How are they related to the William Bean family?


"....Then they { F. M. was speaking of his parents, Isham Rice and Mary Ann Stewart Womack} moved to Swedens Cove now Marion County, Tenn., lived there about four years, bought a piece of land where Louis Pain {sic Payne} now resides, if living, and his house stood within about 60 yards of where the Louis Pain residence now stands. Father and mother told me their reason for leaving Swedens Cove was that the Cove was pretty much filled up with relatives and that they were intermarrying among each other. There were many of the Beans, McBees, Pains and other families connected to fathers family (all good people however)...."

In this excerpt, he was probably talking about the family of Robert Bean and Martha Womack. This Robert Bean, according to the Bean researchers, was the son of John Bean. {John and William Bean are related....maybe brothers} Robert died 1824 Sweden's Cove., Marion Co., TN. William Womack, husband of Lucy Womack, d. 1820 Sweden's Cove., Marion Co., TN Lucy died in Sweden's Cove, Marion Co., TN. My point is: Robert and Martha Womack Bean and William and Lucy Womack lived near each other. Their children married.

What Bean, McBee or Payne married into the family of William and Lucy Womack? I know that their son, William "Buck" Womack m. Sarah McBee, but that's all I see.

I guess I've posted this to ask the Womack researchers in their opinion, how did Martha Womack Bean become so closely associated with a totally different Womack line? I was concerned for a long time whether Martha was actually the dau. of Maj. Jake, and thought she might be the daughter of the "other" Womack line. But a couple of days ago, I posted the evidence of her father. Could there be an error in the Bean researchers thinking that Robert Bean (m. Martha Womack) was the son of John Bean? Or Was F.M. just speaking in broad terms when he wrote,"...WE CLAIM THAT THE FAMILY TO WHICH WE BELONG ARE CONNECTED TO THE SAID BEAN AND WOMACK..."

Any thoughts?

Teresa,

I found obits for three of Zora's children, Frank, Josephine, and Rosa. Do you have these obits?

I am trying to connect with Ina Cannaday that posted on this website in November of 2005. I tried Ina's email but it comes back as an unknown user. Ina if you read this post please contact me at whitesocks@in-tch.com. I am also related to the Womacks. Flurida Odelia Womack is my Great Grandmother. I am related through her son, Herman Hamilton. I have some information to share. Linda