February 2006 Message Archive

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 at 16:02:52 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee

Charlotte
This cold and whatever else it is has got my head all screwed up
Thats righ column near bottom -- sorry..


Tuesday, February 28, 2006 at 16:01:17 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Charlotte
If you are talking about the census pages I put up on RootsWeb - they are still
there and accessible thru www.samsawadee.net - left column near bottom -
Beth had that problem also -- dont know why - just checked and they are there.


Tuesday, February 28, 2006 at 12:55:47 (PST)
Charlotte Womack Cooper
CCTenaha@yahoo.com

Yesterday I found the WOMACK census listing on freepages at Roots Web, and today it says the web site is closed or has moved. What's going on here? It had the 1910, 1920, 1930 censuses with all the Womacks listed by county. Any suggestions?


Monday, February 27, 2006 at 21:39:34 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee @ msn.com

Carol
thank you - but cant say for sure taken care of - does look like we got
a nuther idjit posting... If any of you would like to copy, paste and send
some of this junk on - the address in fccinfo@fcc.gov - perhaps if they get
enough complaints on the same area - they might react more promptly - but give them a break, they get tons of this crap all the time..


Monday, February 27, 2006 at 10:29:31 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee @ msn.com

Diana, you are welcome, and I do hope something will be done.

Phyllis,your connection to VA working backwards:

Abraham Minter Womack and Elizabeth C Robinson Jones Co Ga to Anderson Co TX
William Womack and Mary Ann "Polly" Silvey Hancock Co GA
Jesse Womack and Dorothy Prior Prince Edward Co VA to Madison Co Ga
Richard Womack III and Ann "Nancy" Childers Henrico Co Va to Burke Co GA
Richard Womack II and Elizabeth Ann Puckett Henrico Co VA
Richard Womack I and Mary Elizabeth Ruth Puckett Henrico Co VA

Probably needs a little more verification and this is info I have received from
various sources..


Sunday, February 26, 2006 at 19:45:21 (PST)
Diana Hight
sdiana_48f@yahoo.com

Thanks Sam for taking care of this problem

diana


Sunday, February 26, 2006 at 17:47:35 (PST)
Phyllis H. Womack
PHWMW@Aol.com

Thanks for all the information. I am trying to connect Abram Minter Womack born 24 Jly 179 in Georgia (?)to the Virginia Womacks, died in Anderson Texas 19 October 1861. He married Elizabeth Combs Robinson in Milledgeville, Georgia 8 Sept. 1825. My husband is his great, great, grandson, William Minter Womack, Jr. Please help! Thanks, Phyllis


Saturday, February 25, 2006 at 01:17:00 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee @ msn.com

OOOKK! Enough is enough - I have copied all those posts and forwarded them to
the FCC for action --


Friday, February 24, 2006 at 10:52:27 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee @ msn.com

Sandi
Naaah! We got us a bird, mebbe two or three, that gonna get their feathers
tarred and burned when the FCC gets hold of them!!


Friday, February 24, 2006 at 08:19:20 (PST)
Sandi Phillips
sphillips@tucsonairport.org

Looks like we have picked up a few viruses...


Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 11:24:04 (PST)
Fred Womack
fredjudy@bellsouth.net

Sam,
I updated my DNA at both ybase and ysearch. At ysearch I found near matches(genetic distance 2) for 8B7Z8 Geer amd J9MTB Williams. I've emailed both hoping for a response soon.
Fred


Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 10:15:21 (PST)
Jamie
birls@boone.net

A bit more on the DNA subject: The Feb 6, 2006 issue of Newsweek had an interesting article on DNA testing.

The following is ONE explanation for why there can be DNA matches to other surnames...I'm sure this didn't only happen in Wake Co NC! (I've left out some of the legal mumbo-jumbo)

Wake County NC Bastardy Bonds

“The State vs. Matilda Laurence Wt for BASTARDY. ……Whereas information having bin this day made to us Green Huckabe & James Huckabe two of the acting Justices…Matildah Laurence Single woman…has been delivrd of Child…which was born a bastard and may become Chargeable to County….Therefore Command you to apprehend and bring Said Matildah before us…..to answer above Charge & be further dealt with….25 December 1828” (on back was written) The Examination of Matilda Laurence Single Woman This day before us…being Chargd with being deliverd of Child which was born a bastard, who saith on oath that William Womack Junr did Begitt the Said Child and hath Charged him with Same….16 January 1829”

Also on 16 January 1829 a warrant was issued for the apprehension of William Womack Junr on charges of Bastardy. On the back of this warrant was the note that William had been brought before the justices and had entered into Bond and Security 14 February 1829.

“The Justices vs Wm Womack BASTARDY BOND Feby 1829. Know all men by These preasants (sic) that we Wm Womack, Willie Womack & Warren Sugg are held and firmly bound unto the Justices…in sum of five hundred dollars…to which payment will and truly be made, we bind ourselves……this 14th day of February AD 1829. Condition of above obligation: above boundd William Womack stands Charged according to Law with being the reputed Father of a Bastard Child of which Matildah Laurence has lately bin deliverd….above Bounded William Womack his heirs Executors &c do and shall from time to time and at all times hereafter acquit, Discharge and save harmless the overseers of the Poor and inhabitants of Said County from all Costs Charges & trouble whatsoever for and by reason of the Birth Maintenance & bringing up of Said Child and from all suits Charges and demands whatsoever touching and concerning the Same….[signed] William Womack Junr Wilie (mark) Womack Warren Sugg Jas Huckabe JP Gn Huckabee JP”

Then the SAME DAY! Another Bond for $500 worded basically as the above except as follows: “William Womack Stands Charged according to Law with being the reputed Father of a Bastard Child of which Salley Olive has lately bin Deliverd….” signed same as above


Tuesday, February 21, 2006 at 10:28:38 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee @ msn.com

As a reminder:

When posting queries, as a minimum: name(s), first and last, maiden, married,
any dates available, real or estimated, state(s) lived in; parents names. This gives those of us who try to respond to a query something to go on -- And may enable us to respond to you at all.


Tuesday, February 21, 2006 at 06:03:08 (PST)
Linkoln
Linkoln
http://www.worsseek.org

Hi! May I aks you who did design for this site?
I have my own sites ut I do not like its colors at all.
Yours looks much better I guess.
Im trying to find someone who are really great designer.
WDSK


Monday, February 20, 2006 at 22:23:33 (PST)
Beth
bhower@alltel.net

Ina,

Linda Jehle is trying to contact you about your family! She is Herman Hamilton's granddaughter. Her email addy is whitesocks@in-tch.com

Beth


Monday, February 20, 2006 at 15:46:40 (PST)
Ina Cannaday
inaruth@hotmail.com

My new Email address above for anyone trying to contact me. Changed from: inaruth@earthlink.net Still tracing Flurida Womack and cannot find father named William David Womack.


Sunday, February 19, 2006 at 20:49:02 (PST)
max d womack
lindascleaners@hotmail.com

j.a.(dooley)womack of camden,ar,went to be with the lord feb 16,2006,born nov 1,1924 in princeton,ar,to andrew jackson & thelma lawernce womack.he was a graduate of princeton h.s.and henderson state teachers college and was elected to the arkansas house of rep before graduting from college.an office he held for two terms followed by four terms in the house & 12 yrs in the arkansas senate.afterward he was a realtor,he leaves his dear wife elizabeth ann (amy)harrell womack & three son, lance andrew,tim a.& carey don womack and a daughter,anna leah womack teagarden, he was a methodist,proctor funeral home is in charge of arrangements and burial in memorial park cemetary in camden,ar


Sunday, February 19, 2006 at 07:01:19 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee @ msn.com

Fred
Thanks - When I find my password, ect, I am going into ybase and deleting the
erroneous test. If you have yours, you can add the correct and delete the old
ones -- There is a place to click in to have the sign in/pass sent to you - I'
just hope I didnt use another e-mail address that the one I use mostly now..


Sunday, February 19, 2006 at 05:33:37 (PST)
Fred Womack
fredjudy@bellsouth.net

Sam,
When you & I retested, my final report was
13 12 14 12 14 30 24 10 13 13 12 14 15 9 12 11 11 11 12 23 12

I never updated the final results to ysearch. org, but will correct that error soon,
Fred


Saturday, February 18, 2006 at 06:11:04 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee @ msn.com

Will the real Womacks please stand up? I am sort of fascinated with the DNA
correlation between those of us who have been tested. Here is a brief look at
how odd the results really are:

Notice the claimed descent. Note the difference in the DNA.

14-14-15-14-12-28-23-10-11-13-00-11-16-10-11-10-12-13-13-22-11 [Abe I]
14-11-14-12-13-29-23-11-13-14-12-12-15-12-13-10-12-11-12-25-11 [Abe I]
14-11-14-12-13-29-23-11-13-14-00-12-15-12-13-10-12-11-12-25-12 [Richard I]
13-12-14-12-14-31-24-10-13-13-12-12-15-12-12-11-12-11-13-23-12 [earliest ancestor listed 1801]
13-00-00-12-14-30-24-10-13-13-12-12-14-12-09-11-12-11-12-23-12 [wife beater John]

Theres enough marked differences in the first 2 that being related thru
a common ancestor is very remote. However, in 2 and 3, there is enough
to indicate descent thru a common ancestor. As there is close evidence
for 4 and 5.

This would indicate that somewere after Abe I something happened...whether
it happened after Number 1; or after 2 and 3, is unknown--However, there
is enough marked difference to indicate neither John, nor the later
person[number 4], was a true brother to any of the first three...


Friday, February 17, 2006 at 07:36:43 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee @ msn.com

Not putting any names for privacy reasons, here are how the results of the DNA
testing, plus 2 others I found closely related:

Group 1
14-14-15-14-12-28-23-10-11-13-12-11-16-10-11-13-10-12-13-22-12
14-14-15-14-12-28-23-10-11-13----11-16-10-11-10-12-13-13-22-11
14-14-15-14-12-28-23-10-11-13-12-11-16-10-12-10-12-13-13-22-11

Group 2
13-12-14-12-14-31-24-10-13-13-12-12-15-12-12-11-12-11-12-23-12

Group 3
14-11-14-12-13-29-23-11-13-14-14-12-15-12-13-10-11-12-13-25-12
14-11-14-12-13-29-23-11-13-14-12-12-15-12-13-10-11-11-13-25-12
14-11-14-12-13-29-23-11-13-14-12-12-15-12-13-10-11-11-12-25-12
14-11-14-12-13-29-23-11-13-14-00-12-15-12-13-10-12-11-13-25-12
14-11-14-12-13-29-23-11-13-14-00-12-15-12-13-10-11-11----25-12 [Meeks]
14-11-14-12-13-29-23-11-13-14----12-15-12-13-11-12-11-13-25-11 [Fitzpatrick]


Thursday, February 16, 2006 at 20:56:56 (PST)
Doris
dcox@ kerrlake.com

Doretta,

Re: has anyone from Henry Womack & Susan's line through their son Robert of Halifax Co Va taken the DNA test?

Yes, Mark Womack.

Re: has a descendant of Thomas Womack & Sarah Owen been DNA tested?

Yes, Lyle Leon Womack, care of daughter Margy Granger.

Abraham Womack married Tabitha Hudson 17 August 1785 Halifax Co VA, Bk 1 Pg 8, Bondsman: Fred Vaughan Witness: Frederic Vaughan, Stephen Jones Signer of Certificate: Tabitha Hudson.


Wednesday, February 15, 2006 at 18:10:46 (PST)
Doretta
DREEC@EKNS.NET

Sam, Beth, Doris and anyone else who has an interest or data or proof that proves or disproves any of the following. First, has anyone from Henry Womack & Susan's line through their son Robert of Halifax Co Va taken the DNA test? Also has a descendant of Thomas Womack & Sarah Owen been DNA tested? Second, could Thomas Womack & Sarah Owen's son Abraham be the one who married Tabitha Hudson and the son of Thomas Womack & Louivsa Rice be the Abraham who married in 1804 Susannah Parker? It is said that an Abraham Womack married 21 Oct 1686 in Halifax Co VA to an Tabitha Jane Hudson. Could the marriage date of 1686 by any chance be a typo? The date of 1686 is before the county of Halifax was formed. If the marriage was in 1686, it could not have been recorded in Halifax Co VA if there was not a Halifax Co VA. Should the date maybe read 21 Oct 1786 Halifax Co VA? Last, I wonder if Thomas Womack & Sarah Owen are maybe Miles & Henry Womack (of Halifax Co VA) connection to the main Womack bunch. Miles & Henry were sons of William Womack who was the son of Abraham Womack. I think this Abraham is the one who married Tabitha Hudson and is maybe the son of Thomas Womack & Sarah Owen. I don't have enough data or proof to really say for sure. What do you fellows think? Doretta


Wednesday, February 15, 2006 at 06:19:12 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee @ msn.com

Diana
A DNA test for yourself would prove who your mother was; and maybe females on back - however, I know little about that one. There is a test to see, yes/no
answer only I understand, for Americal Indian heritage -- one of those I listed
below does that -


Wednesday, February 15, 2006 at 05:46:34 (PST)
Shirley Hight-Page
sdiana_48f@yahoo.com

Hello everyone, Hi Sam. I have been reading the messages about the DNA. I am a distant cuz of Sam and it has been told through the generations that we had Native American heritage and I would really be interested in finding out for sure if this family folklore is a tall tale or fact. I understand that I can order a DNA test for females but is this as accurate as for males.

diana


Tuesday, February 14, 2006 at 16:19:19 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee @ msn.com

In addition I suggest also updating to ybase.org, relative genetics and Sorensens also - the more you post to - the better chance of hitting somewhere.

I did a check on Sorensens - I possibly have mentioned this before; but, I matched with a Meeks [94%+] closer than I did Jack and a couple others -- In fact, I had about 20 hits higher - most from 80 to 88.80 % - I had two other hits in the 90's that were not Womacks - One one of these postings, I matched in the 90%iles with a Fife [Barney?].


Tuesday, February 14, 2006 at 07:28:23 (PST)
Jamie
birls@boone.net

Some DNA testing advice...I'm a project administrator for 2 surname projects (it's an easy job!)and we use FamilytreeDNA in Texas. IF you want to use this company, here are some tips: there is a surname project that has been set up for the Womack surname, but it has no members....the guy that has set it up has done so for a lot of random surnames so I don't know his connection to the Womack's. I would still suggest that anyone interested join thru this project (if you want to use this company) since it will save you $60 over testing independantly! (Go to www.familytreedna.com and at the top right there is a box for surname search....type in Womack and it will show 3 options: 2 for some Florida projects that include Womacks and 1 just for Womack. Click the blue link and it will take you to the Womack page.) I don't know about the other companies, but this one also includes general ethnic heritage and would tell if any direct male ancestor was Native American. Once you order the kit, it usually arrives in 2-3 days (depending on where you live!)and after you return it, it usually takes about 6 weeks for results. The wait is the hard part!

Sam is also 100% correct...don't order any test less than 21 markers! FamilytreeDNA does theirs by 12, 25 or 37 markers. 25 is usually a good starting point and one can always ask for an upgrade to more later without taking the test again. Sam is also right on the money that regardless of which company that you test with, be sure to upload your results to Ysearch.org (it's free too!) Hope this helps!


Monday, February 13, 2006 at 19:45:32 (PST)
Sam
sammers

Beth
Here are a few places where you can check for the best prices and speedy results. Ensure those testing ask for at least a 21 or higher marker test.

http://www.genelex.com/
http://www.genebase.com/
http://www.genetrack.com/ancestry/
http://www.familytreedna.com/genbygen.html
http://www.cyndislist.com/dna.htm
http://www.relativegenetics.com/relativegenetics/index.jsp
www.dnaheritage.com [based in England where most of us had ours done]
http://www.worldfamilies.net/
http://smgf.org/


Monday, February 13, 2006 at 10:25:54 (PST)
Beth
bhowser@alltel.net

Sam and anyone who has this info,

For those who are interested in DNA testing and have a straight-line male Womack, please advise where to obtain a testing kit, including approximate cost, etc.


Sunday, February 12, 2006 at 20:51:53 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee @ msn.com

I just posted a request for DNA testing on all the Womack message boards on Rootsweb.. Maybe we will get some participation???


Saturday, February 11, 2006 at 20:31:13 (PST)
Lizabet
mailkit@mail.com
http://www.googli.us

Hi! I love it!


Saturday, February 11, 2006 at 19:31:35 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee @ msn.com

Fred-Judy
OOPS methinks
Benjamin Womack who Married Mary Lanier - I found the index list of names on line...no papa for Ben in there...


Saturday, February 11, 2006 at 19:30:27 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee @ msn.com

Fred-Judy


Saturday, February 11, 2006 at 16:18:46 (PST)
Fred & Judy Womack
fredjudy@bellsouth.net

"LANIER" by Louise Ingersol, 4th printing 1981, Goetz Printing Co, Springfield, VA
is available in most Georgia libraries. Which Benjamin is the topic of Sam's recent post? The Laniers who came to southeast GA in the 1770's are well documented from several sources. Several original records remain in County Probate records and at GA Archives.


Saturday, February 11, 2006 at 13:36:56 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee @ msn.com

Never mind the Library of Congress - Benjamin is here -- someone has indexed the names in the book:

http://www.mindspring.com/~wdlanier/index5.html


Saturday, February 11, 2006 at 12:59:37 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee @ msn.com

Beth Dorinda Jan
Posting this here as mail keeps getting bounced back from Jan --

The FHC here does not have the Ingersoll book, nor does SLC -- Will see if
Library of Congress has [I think it does] and get on interlibrary loan ...


Friday, February 10, 2006 at 21:42:51 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee @ msn.com

Judy-Darrell
If you have an old hard drive lying around doing nothing - and it is 10 gigs or
higher, buy a case to fit it in for an external hard drive - it wont be affected by crashes - store all your genealogical data in it -- just remember to reformat the old drive before installing -- if you dont have one - you can buy them already put together - but they are more expensive than rolling your own - a 20gig here was $119 -- I bought a 100g drive and a case for 97 including tax. Then bought another case for 39 and installed a 30gig in it..
I use the 30 for my data - and am going to drop the whole harddrive from the computer into the 100 -- Then, let it crash!!

One more tidbit, if you drop stuff into an external drive from the net - ensure you do some spyware, virus checks on it periodically even if you do have a good virus and firewall protection - I am using spycatcher 2006 running in the background and it drives me crazy catching stuff the firewall dont!! A ding ding here, a ding ding every where!


Friday, February 10, 2006 at 21:31:10 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

On those final DNA results posted by Robert - mine and Fred's are incorrect.
Ours had to be redone --

My following markers should read as follows:
385a-11, 385b-14, 437-15, 438-12, 439-13, 461-12, a10-13. The rest are OK.
Matching those of Roger and some others much better than shown..


Friday, February 10, 2006 at 11:18:55 (PST)
Sandi Phillips
sphillips@tucsonairport.org

Hi Sam

It's funny that you would mention Meeks - my grandmother, Marie (Jacobs) Womack Meeks, was married to Paul Meeks - who was her second husband. Grandma Marie was married first to my father's dad, John Palmer Womack. I have not been able to find out much about the Jacobs', or Meeks, but will look into that further.

Sandi


Friday, February 10, 2006 at 10:17:45 (PST)
Beth
bhowser@alltel.net

Hey Judy..

Through the generosity of our researcher, Robert Burke, we still have the participants, their lineages and results posted on the web! Be sure and check the "Final Results".

http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~reburke/lines/data/womack/dna/index.html


Friday, February 10, 2006 at 08:46:23 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

To all who want to know where the DNA results are posted go here:

http://www.ybase.org/sfound.asp

If it doesnt work with the /sfound.asp - drop that, go to the main page and
click on search by surname---some of the results have who they are; some dont.

We do need more participation - I am trying to get some Womacks in England to
do the testing - that would sure help a little in maybe identifying the approximate area ours came from -- To bad we couldnt have convinced Jan to have her husband do the testing before we lost contact with her...

I am in contact with a lady, maiden name Womack, father still alive and in England; father's brother alive and in Australia - they both came from
one of the Lophams in Norfolkshire..her father is quite sensitive about family ancestry [dont we all know how that goes!!], but hopefully she can convince him to do a DNA test and furnish us with the results for the Womack DNA page - I have their family line back to Arthur Womack who died Jun 1607..will proved
Jun 27, 1607..

The more we can get the better - so some of you male Womacks that havent participated - could we ask if you would consent to obtain a DNA test and post the results to the above page?


Friday, February 10, 2006 at 08:26:14 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Darrell and Judy and Beth

To Darrel and Judy, thanks I knew there was someone else that matched Roger and I - did Darrell post his DNA to the Womack DNA page??

To Beth - for what it is worth - remember James Garner's granny was a Womack
that married a Meeks - I havent been able to identify the one I match so close, but suspect it may be a Womack raised as a Meeks...just a thought --
James' goes back to Richard III who was a brother to my Alex Sr.

As far as Lindsay, also Fife and a couple others in the 80 percentiles - I am
still working on identifying those -- Will post when, and if, I find out something.


Friday, February 10, 2006 at 06:11:04 (PST)
Darrel and Judy Womack
jwma@comcast.net
www.tribalpages.com/tribes/mccarty

Beth and Sam

Darrel matched with Roger in the DNA, and would be more then happy to share the numbers. Good luck with his test.
When my computer crashed and fried, I lost a lot of contracts, Jack's DNA page was one of them. I have learned to copy on an other computer all your contracts.


Thursday, February 09, 2006 at 21:46:01 (PST)
Beth
bhowser@alltel.net

Sammers~

We might have been born at 10th and center....ten miles from town in the center of the woods....in Arkansas, but Montiel and Jerry didn't pull the wool over our eyes one bit. A mother's mtDNA can be passed from mother to son, but the son cannot pass it to his children. Besides adoption and other "affairs of folks" we suspect in many lines, look at the times we've learned that the offspring of Abraham Womack, Sr. intermarried. And his Blanton son's line married back into the Womack family.

Some time I'd like to hear about the Meeks and Lindsay lines!


Thursday, February 09, 2006 at 20:53:46 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Beth,
Yes, I have an opinion.. If Abe I dfescended from William the Immigrant and
Richard I and the others were his brothers - then I should have the same DNA as
Jack - My match to Jack is less than 80% - yet with Roger and another or two, I match 95% or better - I also match 93.3 with a Meeks and 85% with a Lindsay.

So, somewhere back there, there were some adoptions or something where the name Womack was applied, but the people were not.. My opinion-- The DNA testing we did indicated about 3 disctinct lines that were supposed to be from the immigrant; but were barely close enough to call cousin if that...
Any testing will help; and, if you have someone willing to do so; let them have at it...anything will help..

Andpuhleeze dont let Montiel and Jerry and those confuse you that a match can be made from a male to a female -- as I understand it nope...


Thursday, February 09, 2006 at 15:20:15 (PST)
Beth
bhowser@alltel.net

Oops.....I missed a generation....Abraham Jr. was the father of William. I kept thinking about Jack telling me William and Lucy were first-half cousins, and went back to the family group sheet....Thomas (m. Louvisa) and was a half brother of Abraham, Jr. Sorry for the confusion.


Thursday, February 09, 2006 at 14:28:28 (PST)
Beth
bhowser@alltel.net

Jack, Sam and other participants of the Womack DNA project:

There's a Womack family willing to participate in DNA testing. Based on the info I have, they descend from one of William (son of Abraham and Eliabeth Stubblefield) and Lucy's (dau. of Thomas and Louvisa) sons. More than likely it's Josiah's line, since we've eliminated William and Lucy's other sons. Thomas (m. Louvisa) was the son of Abraham Womack and Ann Blanton. William (m. Lucy, dau. of Thomas and Louvisa) was the son of the same Abraham Womack and Elizabeth Stubblefield. So we would have to compare the new DNA to a a descendant of William's or his brothers, John, Joshua, Levy or Jeremiah's descendants.

I have the following questions regarding any further DNA testing:

1. How would we compare the new participant's DNA to the previous participants? I guess I mean "who" would do this. If I remember correctly the test results are sent to a project administrator. Jack was the co-administrator, but I'm not sure he's in a position to do any further administrative work at this time. How 'bout ya, Jackson?

2. Would the male descendants of Thomas (m. Louvisa) and the descendants of William (m. Lucy, dau. of Thomas and Louvisa) have comparable DNA since they both descend from Abraham?

3. On the "Final Report", does anyone see any previous participants to compare with? Since Jack descends from Abraham, I guess his DNA would be a close match.

Does ANYONE have an opinion?


Tuesday, February 07, 2006 at 05:24:54 (PST)
Randy
rskjwomack@aol.com

Doris, My father does not know if they are related to him, sorry. He hasn't been much help to me either.


Monday, February 06, 2006 at 15:48:52 (PST)
Doretta
DREEC@EKNS.NET

Sam, Doris, Randy - Thanks. You fellows have been helpful. Your postings help me to update some of the data that I receive quite sometime ago from who I think was maybe Roger at WGN. Anyway it was when I first started working on Don's branch of Womacks of Halifax Co VA.. What you fellows have posted does show that the death date of 1909 for Bettie E Throckmorton Womack was most likley a typo. I have now corrected it to 1929. The data that I had didn't give Bettie's last name. Throckmorton was a lucky guess on my part. Anyway since your postings, I have checked RootsWeb to see what could be found. There was a Elijah Throckmorton who married 3 times. One marrige was 10 Dec 1859 Halifax Co VA to Sally Ann Saunders B abt 1840 and they had a daughter Bettie b abt 1863. Bettie had an older half-brother named Branch S Throckmorton b abt 1840 who married Sarah A _____ b abt 1845. It seems that this Bettie is maybe the Bettie E who married John H Womack, son of Robert & Louisa. Doretta


Saturday, February 04, 2006 at 10:50:12 (PST)
ED COWAN
edmacow@netzero.com

FLETCHER WOMMACK, ALFRED, WOMMACK, LULA WOMMACK,LUDIE E WOMMACK. THERE FATHER WAS, JAMES EDWARD WOMMACK, MOTHER FLORENCE WOMMACK . FROM JASPER COUNTY GEORGIA
THE HENDERSON- COOK DISTRICT #292. FOUND A FEW OF THEM. NOT MUCH ON THIS FAMILY
IF ANYONE CAN HELP / PLEASE CONTACT ME ? THANKS ED COWAN


Saturday, February 04, 2006 at 08:35:54 (PST)
Doris
dcox @kerrlake.com

Randy,

You said that your father knew Jeter and Letcher Womack. Did your father ever state whether they were related; if so, did your father say how they were related?


Saturday, February 04, 2006 at 04:28:41 (PST)
RANDY
RSKJWOMACK@AOL.COM

DORRETA: BETTIE E WOMACK IS BURIED BESIDE HER HUSBAND AT CLOVER TOWN CEMERARY. ON HER TOMBSTONE FEB 5 1864 AND MAR 22 1929.SO I HOPE THAT HELPS YOU OUT.ALSO BRANCH THROCKMORTON IS BURIED BEHIND THEM I BELIEVE HE WAS IN THE CIVAL WAR. DORIS EDGAR GREEN WOMACK WAS MARRIED TO MARY L SEAMSTER THEY ARE BURIED BESIDE EACH OTHER AT MAURY CEMETERY IN RICHMOND


Friday, February 03, 2006 at 20:53:24 (PST)
Doris
dcox @ kerrlake.com

This is what I have on R E Womack.
Robert Edd Womack b abt 1834 d 26 May 1884 Halifax Co VA
Father: Henry Womack
Mother: Susan A. B. [maiden name unknown]
Wife: Louisa H. Crowder b abt 1844
Married: 14 October 1858 Halifax Co VA
Children:
Emily R. Womack b abt 1859 m James R. Francis 02 January 1879 Halifax Co VA
John H. Womack b abt 1863 m Bettie Elizabeth Throckmorton 06 November 1882 Halifax Co VA
Mary R. Womack b abt 1863 m John Godsey
Rosa B. Womack b abt 1864 m1 Allen Ferrell m2 J. S. B. Cash
Robert Lemuel Womack b abt 1868 m Pattie Roberts [I have their marriage in paper files but not on computer] They were married in Charlotte Co VA
Nanny Womack b abt 1871 m1 John E. Francis 19 January 1887 Halifax Co VA
m2 Eli W. Hill
Charles Watson Womack b abt 1873 m1 Sallie Ola Hudson m2 Nellie Pearl Hudson
Edgar Green Womack b abt 1877 m Lula [maiden name unknown]


Friday, February 03, 2006 at 15:12:23 (PST)
Sam

samsawadee@msn.com

Doretta, Teresa, Randy, et al
This is quite long, sorry, but needs to be together. I think we are dealing with two or more families with same or similar names --

1880 census, Roanoke, Halifax, VA
R. E. J. WOMACK Self M Male W 46
Eliza WOMACK Wife M Female W 36 [census is quite clear on name]
John H. WOMACK Son S Male W 19
Mary R. WOMACK Dau S Female W 17
Rose B. WOMACK Dau S Female W 14
Robt L. WOMACK Son S Male W 12
Nanny WOMACK Dau S Female W 9
Chas WOMACK Son S Male W 7
Edgar WOMACK Son S Male W 3

1870 Census Roanoke, Halifax, VA
Womack, Robert 37
Louisa 26
Emily 11
John 9
Rosa B 6
Robt 2
Mary 7

1860 Census, Halifax Co
Womack Robert E 26
Louisa 17
Amy 7/12 [is this really Emily?]


1850 Census, Northern District, Halifax Co, VA

Henry Womack 50
Susan 40
Robert E 16
6 siblings

then in 1900 Census, Richmond, Jackson Ward, Richmond City VA
I find a Louisa A Womack born abt Jan 1843 head of house no
other womacks living with.
--------------------------------------------
And of course we have all seen this one:
From Va State Library Files.
Womack, Robert E.
Publication [1884].
Gen. note Race: White.
Gender: Male.
Date of death: May 26, 1884.
Place of death: Halifax County.
Cause of death: pneumonia.
Age at death: 52 year(s).
Place of birth: Halifax County.
Occupation: farmer.
Note Source of information: Halifax County, 1884, page 4, line 18.
Note Part of the Death Records Indexing Project which is sponsored by
the Virginia Genealogical Society.
Subject - Personal Womack, Robert E.
Womack, Henry, father.
Womack, Susan, mother.
Womack, Lou, consort.
Womack, Lou, informant (Wife).
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1880 Census, Northern District, Halifax Co
B S and Sarah Throckmorton ages 40 and 34 respectively
1870 Census, Staunton, Halifax, VA
Branch Throckmortons wife Sarah A.. he age 30 she age 25 no children.
1860 he was in Roanoke Distict, Halifax, VA age 20
1850 Northern District, Halifax, VA age 10
1910 Census
Womack, John H 47
Bettie E 45
Throckmorton, Sallie 78 [mother-in-law]
Note: The census says Bettie had born no children, none dead...
so that is probably why he had his brothers and sister in his will.
A good question here is why Branch wrote a will in 1920; but
his wife is with John and Bettie? And listed as a widow??
I cannot find a marriage date on this John H and Bettie...

Odd is that on the 1900 there is a John Throckmorton,age 75
that has a 60 year old Sallie, mother living with. She has had one child
still living..So dont believe Bettie is of this Branch and Sarah Marriage, do you?
Next family is John H Womack age 25, wife Sallie age 23
Son Ernest age 3; daughter Berny age 1----


Friday, February 03, 2006 at 09:51:22 (PST)
Doretta
DREEC@EKNS.NET

Randy - It is great hearing from you. Your posting has helped me to understand a little more about the Halifax Co VA Womacks. But I still can't figure out the following problem about BETTIE. Something is mixed up. I have that JOHN H WOMACK b Aug 12 1861 d Feb 23 1926 is the son of Robert Womack & Louise Crowder. Also I have that John H married Bettie _____ B Feb 5 1864 D March 22 1909. Now I also have where Branch S Throckmorton in his will written 16 June 1920 bequeaths everything to J.H. Womack and appoints him executor of his last will. The will was probated May 1 1925 in court with W.M.Meyers and Peachy Gregory and J.H. Womack saying it was Branch's last will. Now I have JOHN H WOMACK who in his will written Feb 13 1901 nominates and appoints his wife BETTIE E the sole executrix to his will. Now on Feb 27 1926 BETTIE E WOMACK with A.L. Williams and F.A. Waddell come to court to probate John H Womack's will. Also on Feb 27 1926 Bettie E Womack names John H Womack's heirs who were his brothers and sisters. I have the heirs listed as children of Robert Womack and Louise Cowder. Now I say Bettie couldn't have died in 1909 if she was executrix in 1926. Did John H Womack marry twice? to 2 different Betties? Or is the J.H Womack of Throckmorton's will and John H Womack different men? Was one of those BETTIEs a Throckmorton? Does the death date of 1909 really belong to a Bettie but not to John H Womack's wife Bettie E? Could one of those ELIZA that we have been talking about, be a ELIZ (Elizabeth)(Bettie) and born Feb 5 1864 and (or just) died on March 22 1909? Sam, what do you think? Does anyone have any insight on any of the people named? Sorry for so many questions. Doretta.


Wednesday, February 01, 2006 at 15:06:49 (PST)
Randy W. Womack
rskjwomack@aol.com

TO: HALIFAX WOMACK'S:
A CORRECTION NEEDS TO BE MADE TO THE INFORMATION I PREVIOUSLY SENT TO YOU EARLIER TODAY.

EDGAR GREEN WOMACK'S DAUGHTER WAS LOUISE ESTELLE WOMACK.


Wednesday, February 01, 2006 at 08:59:54 (PST)
Randy Womack
RSKJWomack@aol.com

Attention Halifax Womacks (Sam, Doris, Doretta, Teresa)
I cannot add much more than y'all have already posted

Robert E Womack was in fact my great great grandfather
I do think that you are talking about two different Williams and two different Elizabeths.Robert E Womack's wife was Loise Crowder.They had many children, one by the name Edgar Green Womack, and his daughter, who just recently passed was Loise Elizabeth Womack. I believe that she was named after her grandmother Louise Crowder Womack.She is survived by a sister who is eighty-five years old and live in Richmond Va.

Also Robert Lemuel Womack has a living daughter who was born around 1914.She did not know her grandmother Louise Crowder Womack which leaves me to believe that she was already deceased at this time.

The eldest daughter of Robert and Louise was Emily who married James Francis. Doretta spoke of a cemetery in Dryburg. I have been there and have seen many unmarked graves.I believe many Womacks are buried there, but i have no proof of this.I do know Emily was like a second mother to all the siblings and that the Francis house was a large home just down the road from the cemetary.

Teresa, my father knew Jeter and Letcher Womack, and they lived in the Mt. Laurel area.Jeter had a daughter who was good friends with my aunt, Bobbie Jane Womack, who married James Wolf. I live in Richmond and my be able to go to the state library for you if there is something specific that you need.


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