January 2006 Message Archive

Sunday, January 29, 2006 at 17:34:19 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Kevin
Sent you a some what lengthy E-mail -- Would make one suggestion - since it
appears John Sr was married abt 1797 in GA - poss Washington Co, a looksee at
their marriage records may help...have nil on marriage pf JOhn Jr, yet..


Sunday, January 29, 2006 at 15:29:48 (PST)
Kevin Thompson
nivek@alpacacriations.com
http://users3.ev1.net/~nivek000/Genealogy

Hello. I am looking for someone that has documented proof of the marriage and children of John N. Womack, Sr. He was born 25 Dec 1776 and died 29 Jul 1848 in Washington County, Alabama. He married Frances Coleman (14 Feb 1781, d. 29 Dec 1852 in Grimes County, Texas). I have his will, but not all of his children are mentioned. I specifically need proof of his marriage and parentage to his son John N. Womack, Jr. I am also looking for proof of the marriage of John, Jr. to Tabitha Ford (I can't seem to prove her maiden name).

Any info will be greatly appreciated!

Kevin Thompson
Conroe, TX
nivek@alpacacriations.com


Saturday, January 28, 2006 at 19:20:52 (PST)
sam
samsawadee@msn.com

FYI, My United Kingdom information has been reloacted to:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dubbie/UK/index.html

One or two links have been lost and will be updated when found...

Wouls like to make a suggestion for saving your data in case of computer
crashes -- Buy one of those external cases that hold a regular hard drive, install a hard drive in it, and plug it it -- I did that with an old 30Gb drive
and now have all my family stuff, or in process of converting, on it..If the
computer kaputs, I still have the info on that drive -- Of course you can buy them already put together - but that can be expensive, especially if you have an old drive sitting useless somewhere -- Nice thing about it is that I can
carry with my laptop and plug it in and use it...

I am also backing my regular computer files into a similar 100gb external drive.


Saturday, January 28, 2006 at 06:56:41 (PST)
Teresa
resa1207@yahoo.com

Doris, Thanks! I recognize some of the names. Ill try to make contact with some of them. Who knows maybe one of them will know something!


Friday, January 27, 2006 at 21:00:32 (PST)
Doris
dcox@kerrlake.com

Teresa,

I emailed those obits - living individuals.


Friday, January 27, 2006 at 15:10:24 (PST)
Teresa
resa1207@yahoo.com

Doris,Sam,

Thanks for all the info! I now have to schedule time to do this hopefully sometime in Feb. I will keep you all posted.

I dont have the obits you posted and would love to have them!
Thanks


Friday, January 27, 2006 at 12:50:05 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

This is going to be a rather large post, I apologize for that; but it needs to
go all at once:


1 Ralph Graves
........+Judith 1 Womack
........2 Sally Graves 1756 -
Sally's birth recorded in records of St James Northam Parish,
Goochland Co, VA, born Sep 1 1756, Chirstened Oct 10, 1756.

Judith was daughter of William and Sarah Woodson Womack.
William being son of Abe I...

I do have a David married to a Delila Graves, Mar 24, 1800, in Caswell Co NC
This couple had TWO daughters Vashtin in 1810; Vashti in 1814.
However that was an LDS entry and Ancestry has a Nancy born 1810.
I have a John Womack who married abt 1772 a Lucy Pryor Tapley. They had a son,
David b. abt 1775 who had a daughter, Vashti b. abt 1800[LDS date}.
This John was son of Richard III and Ann "Nancy" Childers. This appears to be the one
mentioned in the earlier post. Whether or not this is the correct one, I cannot vouch
for it. David, who married Mildred Pryor, was a son also of Richard III.
LDS has John and Lucy as this Davids parents...


David and Mildred had daughter Vashti born about 1848.

A Vashti married Griffin Gunn, Sep 18, 1837, Caswell Co, NC.

Another Vashti b Oct 29, 1802, Womack Hill MS, married a John Baker Jr
abt 1820, probably in MS - Altho this John Baker died Nov 11, 1838 in TX.
This Vashti was the daugher of John N and Frances Coleman womack.
John N was son of Jesse and Dorothy Pryor Womack..Jesse brother
to David who married Mildred. I think Dorothy and Mildred were sisters.

Richard III was brother to Alexander Sr, my 6th great.

From Goodspeed's History of Indepenence Co AR [I am throwing this in because
of the name Robert Bean]:

"In 1812, one John Reed, from Missouri, cut down the first tree on the site
where it now stands, and erected a small store house, and with a supply of
notions and whisky traded with theIndians, trappers and hunters. His example
was followed during the next five years by C. Kelly, Robert Bean, Boswell,
Ringgold and Redmon."

"Col. Robert Bean ran the first keel-boat up White River and established
himself at the mouth of Polk Bayou (Batesville) in 1814."

Have no idea who this Robert Bean is unless perhaps a son/nephew/cousin
of the one who married Martha Womack...

John Bean was Coroner of that area 1821-1823; and there was a Jesse Bean
on the 1830 census.


Friday, January 27, 2006 at 11:14:08 (PST)
Doretta
DREEC@EKNS.NET

Sam, Tersa, Doris - The only Bradshaw data that I can at this time come up with, is GABRIEL GARNER GUNN BRADSHAW. (His name interests me because WOMACK & GARNER married in Halifax Co VA, but I haven't been able to find any GARNER connection to Gabriel.) Anyway Gabriel's parents seem to be Polly Gunn & ___ Bradshaw. Polly's relative Griffin Gunn married Vashti Womack b1810, daughter of David Womack & Delilah Graves. The David I am talking about, I believe was the son of John Womack & Lucy ___, and grandson of David Womack & Mildred Pryor. Anyway Delilah Graves seems to be the daughter of Ann/Nancy Slade & John Hendon Graves & granddaughter of Thomas Slade & Hannah Miles. Delilah married first in 1800 David Womack and second in 1819 (a relative) Abner Miles. Also another relative of Delilah Graves was Priscilla Miles who married Samuel Henderson. --- Beth, My own direct lines of Hendersons and Nolands are connected I think to this Samuel Henderson. I know of a Phillip Noland who was killed in the Texas area when it still belonged to Spain. William Bean/Been who was with Phillip, was taken prisoner by the Spanish Soldiers. I think William lived and went home years later. Doretta


Thursday, January 26, 2006 at 23:12:18 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Teresa
Those papers cover 11.36 cubic feet - so cannot say that they will do on interlibrary - that is a lot of records....


Thursday, January 26, 2006 at 22:40:30 (PST)
Beth
bhowser@alltel.net

This is another thing to ponder....er...study! Sorry it's so long. And please remember, some of this is abstracted from the research of others. I also don't know if the editor of "Womack Genealogy" just added 'The Watauga Settlement' information as a source for F.M.'s writing or if he wrote it. This issue has not been formatted.

Francis Marion Womack was nephew of Levi Berry Womack, who married Martha Bean, dau. of Martha Womack and Robert Bean. His grandparents were William {son of Abraham and Elizabeth Stubblefield} and Lucy {dau. of Thomas and Louvisa}. His aunt by marriage was the granddaughter of Maj. Jacob. I asked myself this question: Which side of the family {Womack or Bean} did he learn the following info?

Excerpts from WOMACK GENEALOGY VOL. IV, NO. 1 - JUNE 1960 - WHOLE NO. 7
SKETCHES OF THE WRITER'S FAMILY By F. M. Womack

"....THE WAWAUGA SETTLEMENT See G. R. McGeets author of History of Tennessee a history which has been adapted for use in the Public Schools of Tenn. From page 53 to page 61 inclusive you will find a history of the Watauga and other settlements, where the people met in general convention and elected a committee of thirteen men who were to act as a legisla tive body and make laws suited to the needs of the Watauga and other pioneer settlements of Tenn. We find that William Bean and Jacob Womack [Womacl were chosen members of the committee of thir teen. WE CLAIM THAT THE FAMILY TO WHICH WE BELONG ARE CONNECTED TO THE SAID BEAN AND WOMACK, while the letter (k) is left off the name Womac as appears in said history we are fully satisfied that it is a typographical error. We find that the first county court ever held in Tenn. which was then called Washington County and embraced the entire boundarys of what is now known as Tennessee was held at Watauga Settlement in the Eastern division of the State in the year 1778., and that said Bean and Womack were members of said County Court...."

In the above excerpt, F. M. was talking about William Bean, whose son, Robert Bean, married Rhoda Lane, if the Bean researchers are right. Did F. M. mean his Womack family was related to the William Bean family? That's what he wrote! How are they related to the William Bean family?


"....Then they { F. M. was speaking of his parents, Isham Rice and Mary Ann Stewart Womack} moved to Swedens Cove now Marion County, Tenn., lived there about four years, bought a piece of land where Louis Pain {sic Payne} now resides, if living, and his house stood within about 60 yards of where the Louis Pain residence now stands. Father and mother told me their reason for leaving Swedens Cove was that the Cove was pretty much filled up with relatives and that they were intermarrying among each other. There were many of the Beans, McBees, Pains and other families connected to fathers family (all good people however)...."

In this excerpt, he was probably talking about the family of Robert Bean and Martha Womack. This Robert Bean, according to the Bean researchers, was the son of John Bean. {John and William Bean are related....maybe brothers} Robert died 1824 Sweden's Cove., Marion Co., TN. William Womack, husband of Lucy Womack, d. 1820 Sweden's Cove., Marion Co., TN Lucy died in Sweden's Cove, Marion Co., TN. My point is: Robert and Martha Womack Bean and William and Lucy Womack lived near each other. Their children married.

What Bean, McBee or Payne married into the family of William and Lucy Womack? I know that their son, William "Buck" Womack m. Sarah McBee, but that's all I see.

I guess I've posted this to ask the Womack researchers in their opinion, how did Martha Womack Bean become so closely associated with a totally different Womack line? I was concerned for a long time whether Martha was actually the dau. of Maj. Jake, and thought she might be the daughter of the "other" Womack line. But a couple of days ago, I posted the evidence of her father. Could there be an error in the Bean researchers thinking that Robert Bean (m. Martha Womack) was the son of John Bean? Or Was F.M. just speaking in broad terms when he wrote,"...WE CLAIM THAT THE FAMILY TO WHICH WE BELONG ARE CONNECTED TO THE SAID BEAN AND WOMACK..."

Any thoughts?


Thursday, January 26, 2006 at 20:34:36 (PST)
Doris
dcox@kerrlake.com

Teresa,

I found obits for three of Zora's children, Frank, Josephine, and Rosa. Do you have these obits?


Thursday, January 26, 2006 at 20:18:29 (PST)
linda jehle
whitesocks@in-tch.com

I am trying to connect with Ina Cannaday that posted on this website in November of 2005. I tried Ina's email but it comes back as an unknown user. Ina if you read this post please contact me at whitesocks@in-tch.com. I am also related to the Womacks. Flurida Odelia Womack is my Great Grandmother. I am related through her son, Herman Hamilton. I have some information to share. Linda


Thursday, January 26, 2006 at 20:14:26 (PST)
Doris
dcox@kerrlake.com

Teresa,

Re: your visit to LVA. Check with your local library and/or call LVA before you go to see if you can find out which items can be sent on inter-library exchange and don't use your time at the Library of Virginia on these items. You can order these items through your local library and the LVA will send them and you have, I believe one or two weeks to go through each item you order and most of the time you can renew just like you would renew a book. I would order one item at a time and before you finish going through the first item, order the next item. It doesn't take that long to get the item if they have a copy, the delay happens when all their loan copies are out in cirrculation.

For instance, marriage, birth, death, indexes to deeds, court orders, etc. I don't know all the things which can be sent inter-library loan. You may want to do some of this so you have a better idea where to narrow your search. This is a free service and the information comes to your library on microfilm and your library will have the microfilm reader and will show you how to use it. You look through it at your leisure each day you come to the library. It is tedious work, and when you get tired, take a break because you will miss something. It is like you get to a point and you don't know if you even saw the last few pages.

A few years ago, they were filming the Halifax records at the Halifax Courthouse for the LVA. They had already filmed it once, but the copy was bad, and so they were refilming. It should be completed by now. Of course, there was a funding cut to the LVA a few years ago, I don't know what effect this had on the operation.

North Carolina most likely has this service from their State Library as well.

Info. on Library of Virginia

URL for home page
http://www.lva.lib.va.us/

URL for info. one needs to know before visiting library.
http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whoweare/visit/index.htm

Library's main telephone number is 804-692-3500.
A picture ID with your current street address is required to obtain a library card and use our collections.
Hours
Monday - Saturday 9:00 AM until 5:00 PM.

Visit their online pages to get the other information you will need to know before you go which will help make your search time beneficial.

Based on where you are in your research, I think marriage, wills, accounts, and inventories will yield the best results.

Another suggestion which I have wanted to do, but haven't yet, is to visit the funeral homes in Halifax to see what they are willing to let me go through. The Powell Funeral Home and I believe there was another one which I don't know if they are still in business and offhand I can't think of the name, but I believe it was three surnames together with one of the surnames being Martin - I used to know the Martin man's first name but can't think of it now. There is also Brooks Funeral Home, but I don't know when they first went into business. The people at Powell Funeral Home can give you the name of any other funeral home which may have been in business and they might know where their records would be, if they have gone out of business. Cemeteries keep records also. Many in Halifax are buried at their Churches. The Library in Halifax has copies of the Cemetery volumes which were done some years back. Look in the WGN archive for the name of the compiler - run a search on "dcox" or "doris" and it should come up where I responded to you a few years back.

Good Luck Teresa!


Thursday, January 26, 2006 at 15:36:06 (PST)
Teresa
resa1207@yahoo.com

Sam,
It looks like I need to take the invite from my cousin in Richmond to come and go to the library. Could you tell me what you think I should focus my search on when I go? Ive been told the library is HUGE! I would only have about one full day of searching. Anyone else out there with any tips? Thanks


Thursday, January 26, 2006 at 07:30:38 (PST)
Diana Lynn Walker Sphar
dlynn_walker@ yahoo.com

Thanks for the help everyone.
(sam, beth, roger, jack, Oscar)
With THREE lines I really need to find a cousin who wants (or had already) participated in the Womack DNA project!!

It looks like a descendent of William Riley Womack b1825 or 1926 TN(son of levi berry and martha bean)m Lecretia Taylor Womack b1832 would be a good candidate. Plus they had about ten kids in addition to my gggrandmother Rhoda Jane Womack.

I don't know how may married and had kids, but there were for sons. Riley R, Robert, george and John F.

I know John F married and had two daughters and three sons. His daughter Laura b 1878 married his sister's (Rhoda Jane Womack m Eddie Lee Stevens) brother-in-law Adolphus A Stevens. His three sons are J.W. Womack b 1879, Frank b 1892 and Robert b 1896

I'm pretty sure George W. had several sons Horace b 1892, Otis b 1894, William Jennings b 1896, Frank b 1910 abd Hesse N b 1916 and possibly Levi b 1919.

Riley R had three boys I think Russell b1906, Gus b 1908 and Pierce b 1910

I believe Horace (son of George, william riley, Levi, William, abraham)had two or three children, but I do not have any information on them.

Anyone out there from one of these lines??
With Rhoda Jane (my gg grandmother) being female the closest I can come to a DNA match would be a descendent of one of her siblings.

I wonder what having all three lines will do to the DNA??


Thursday, January 26, 2006 at 03:31:46 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Teresa, et al
Browsing thru the VA State Library collection I found this during a search for
Womacks:

Bradshaw, Herbert Clarence, 1908-1976:
Papers, 1803-1976..
11.56 cu. ft..
Location Archives and Manuscripts Room ; Manuscripts ; 29605

Maybe in these papers is an answer. Unfortunately you have to go to the VA
State Library to see them...


Thursday, January 26, 2006 at 02:50:48 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Beths latter post - William as son of Abe and Elizabeth Stubblefield Womack
is correct as I have it - And I think I got that from Jack sometime ago.


Wednesday, January 25, 2006 at 15:42:58 (PST)
Beth
bhowser@alltel.net

I made an error on the parents of William Womack, who married Lucy Womack. I believe he was the son of Abraham Womack and Elizabeth Stubblefield. William and Lucy were half-first cousins.

Jack, please get me straight on this one!


Wednesday, January 25, 2006 at 15:36:30 (PST)
Beth
bhowser@alltel.net

In my post of July 5th, I named the proposed children found to date. I am adding one more:

8. Eliza Womack d. ca. 1806 m. (Rev.) Thomas McBride 1796 White Co., TN. He was b. 27 Jan 1777, d. 29 Apr 1857, son of James McBride and Mary Crawford.

Children of Eliza Womack and Thomas Crawford McBride were:
1. Jacob McBride, (1798-)
2. Charlotte McBride (1800-)
3. (Dr.) James McBride (1802-1875)
4. Lavina McBride (1804-1860)
5. (Dr.) Thomas C. McBride (1806-1848)

List of Insolvents Living within the Indian Boundary for the Year 1797
(Which the County Court of Grainger Released the Sheriff from Collecting)
(excerpts)
McBride, Andrew
McBride, Thomas
McBride, William
Womack, David
Womack, Jeremiah
Womack, Jonathan (Johnson?)
Source: Transcribed from the original records, in the custody of the Tennessee State Library and Archives, by Pollyanna Creekmore in 1949

Source: Thomas Crawford McBride Pioneer Oregon Gospel Preacher
http://ncbible.org/nwh/ProMcBrideTC.html

Item 6. Mrs. Arthur Bowman says that her ancestor, Thomas Crawford McBride, M. c1800 to Eliza Womack. They named their oldest son Jacob probably for her father, since the second son was named James for Thomas' father. The third son was named Thomas, after his father.
Source: WOMACK GENEALOGY - Volume I, Number 1
http://www.womacknet.com/sources/wgv1n1.html

Grainger Co, TN - 1799 - David Womack, Johnston Womack Grainger Co, TN court records 1796 - 1802
(WPA transacription at TN State Archives) - several mentions of Jacob and David Womack. In one court record, Jacob referred to as Major Jacob Womack. In another court record, Jacob and David listed together as part of a jury to lay off a road.
{So Jacob was still alive between 1796 and 1802 in Grainger Co. bh}

Jackson Co, TN - 1802 - David Wamack, John Wamack. Jackson Co, TN was adjacent to White Co, TN until 1842 when Putnam Co, TN was formed. David and Johnston Womack apparently moved from Grainger Co, TN to Jackson Co, TN, and thence to WHITE CO., TN. By 1816, they had moved to Lawrence Co, AR (which was then part of Missouri Territory).

In "TN Land Grants" the Tennessee land grant of Larkin Warmack, 13 acres, WHITE CO., TN Grant # 6189, and David Wormack, 10 acres, WHITE CO., TN Grant #6414.

Source for above three entries: Web Page of Robert Burke
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~reburke/lines/data/womack/ew/other/tn_womack_records.html

I told Diana by email that she actually descends from Womacks in three ways:

Martha Bean, dau. of (1) Martha Womack and Robert Bean, married
Levi Berry Womack, son of (2) William Womack (son of Abraham Womack and
Nancy Ann Blanton) and (3) Lucy Womack (dau. of Thomas Womack and Louvisa
Rice).

It makes you wonder how Martha Bean, granddaughter of Maj. Jake met and married the grandson of Thomas and Louvisa.


Wednesday, January 25, 2006 at 12:41:51 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Also

From the Old Womack Genealogy Volumes

WOMACK PAY VOUCHERS, REVOLUTIONARY WAR, NORTH CAROLINA

1781 - Burke County - Jacob Womack - paid 261 Spanish milled dollars (to bear interest at 6%) - for 378 lbs. of fresh pork.

1782 - Salisbury - Ensign Jacob Womack - 15 Pounds - 4 Shillings - "for services done by him & company of foot Mil[itia of?] Burke Regmt."


Wednesday, January 25, 2006 at 12:23:51 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Diana
these links refer to a Captain Jacob Womack
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/tn/grainger/military/revwar/pensions/massenga197nmt.txt
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/tn/sullivan/military/revwar/pensions/massenga196nmt.txt
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/tn/hawkins/military/revwar/pensions/cobb173nmt.txt
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/tn/sullivan/military/revwar/rosters/womack01.txt
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/tn/sullivan/history/sullivangspd.txt

Also, have you went here and requested a Patriot lookup from the DAR, and looked for the info on how to get a copy of what they have on individuals?

http://www.dar.org/natsociety/pi_lookup.cfm

I read at one time or another that Jacob Womack provided meat and a cart or something to the war effort - such actions were. I think, considered performing service to the war effort....US Gen Web used to be a lot easier to query that it is today - somehow a lot of the ability to access data has been lost with their new format --

As Beth mentioned, there were two Jacobs at Watauga - and I guess the question is which one was the right one; or, were they both involved in the war effort?
It is hard to consider that Jacob was married and only four potential children have been found - J0hnson, William, Sarah and Martha --

Could the other that was not one of the 13 have been his son?? Since Jacob was born ca. 1729; he certainly was of the age to have a son old enough to sigh the petition of Watauga...and also since they usually tended to have large families back then; more than 4 children would not have been out of the ordinary...

I doubt, now, that we will ever get to the bottom of who the other was or all of Jacob's children; we just need to verify what little we have...


Wednesday, January 25, 2006 at 10:58:55 (PST)
Diana Lynn Walker Sphar
dlynn_walker@ yahoo.com

Beth
I did not actually submit a full application. I sent only a beginning request and was turned away before I ever got started. I guess I submitted a request on Maj Jacob.

Most of the genelogy I have is from this site, LDS (even I have found errors in many of those files) and other online sources. I have started doing some library research to begin the verification of my own line. Marriage licenses, census records and birth and death records.

I do have in my genealogy that I am descended from two Womack lines. I only started a few years ago and then I got interruped with the raising of my two granddaughters (now 7 and 3). I don't have a lot of time for my own research, but I continue to visit here because of all the work this group continues to do (SAM!) and others have been such a great help to me. I know some of my line is fairly well documented.

Beth I would dearly love to have (or know how to get) the documents you spoke of.

I am a computer nerd and I hope to compile the documentation and photos I have acquired into a book for other researchers

Not for profit, but so that my granddaughters and future generations will have everything at thier fingertips and not have to go hunting for every bit of evidence that we have already found.

As for copyrighted stuff I would at least like to compile a reference or bibliography of those materials that relate to our line.

many thanks for the information you have provided

I am also working on several other lines (walker, penix, fulfer) when I can, but as I said I've got my hands full with "the girls"

diana


Wednesday, January 25, 2006 at 05:37:21 (PST)
ED COWAN
edmacow@netzero.com

ROBERT EDWARD WOMACK, WIFE FLORENCE .JASPER COUNTY GA . HENDERSON- COOK DISTRICT ? ANYONE HAVE A FAMLY LINE ON THIS FAMILY ?THANKS ED


Wednesday, January 25, 2006 at 05:36:35 (PST)
ED COWAN
edmacow@netzero.com

ROBERT EDWARD WOMACK, WIFE FLORENCE .JASPER COUNTY GA . HENDERSON- COOK DISTRICT ? ANYONE HAVE A FAMLY LINE ON THIS FAMILY ?THANKS ED


Wednesday, January 25, 2006 at 03:19:16 (PST)
Beth
bhowser@alltel.net

Diana,

I have the complete research of the late Bettye Sitton Reed, which was graciously given to me by a Bean descendant. Bettye submitted her application in 1987 for DAR membership and was admitted 22 Feb 1988 to DAR as a descendant of Maj. Jacob Womack Of course, she descended from Jacob's daughter, Martha Womack, wife of Capt. Robert Bean (son of John Bean). There is no proof of his other children. Her work is primarily based Jacob Womack's line, but I must admit, she included almost everything written about the Womacks at that time!

I also have copies of most of the book, "The Bean Tree" copyrighted 1986 by the late Estelee Bean Rankin, based on the family of Robert Bean and Martha Womack, in which I found there is evidence of Martha Womack being the daughter of "a" Jacob Womack of Watauga. I must point out there were two Jacob Womacks of Watauga. Lowry Franklin Owens, great grandson of Robert Bean and Martha Womack, wrote in 1951 that his great grandmother, Martha Womack married at Watauga, and her father, Jacob Womack was one of the early settlers there. I have not copied the text verbatim because it's copyrighted.

I concluded that Ms. Reed did not present sourced evidence of Revolutionary War service for Jacob Womack. One must "assume" that he was involved with the Battle of Kings Mountain, because he lived among the two hundred forty Sullivan Co., TN "Overmountain Men", who fought under John Sevier, but I've seen no proof. Estelee Rankin indicated that early historians credited 16 yr. old Robert Bean for killing British Maj. Patrick Ferguson, I presume at Kings Mountain. This information was also not sourced. Also, there was another Robert Bean, son of William Bean, in this era.

The Bean researchers are satisfied that Robert Bean (Martha Womack) was the son of John Bean and Robert Bean (Rhoda Lane) was the son of William Bean.

Bettye Sitton Reed is just one more researcher who in 1986 definitely thought that Maj. Jacob Womack had but one wife......Sarah. And that would be Sarah Johnson.


Tuesday, January 24, 2006 at 23:19:36 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Diana
Someone else said they got a "line closed" on Maj Jacob Womack - It may be possible because someone went in with the wrong wife - Mary Wills Cole - who was his cousin's, also a Jacob, wife.. - I have protested this for years - Mary Wills was my 4th Great granny - And, Cole wasnt even her maiden name, Wills or Wells was. I go with her son Daniels Bible records which states Wills...
Major Jacob is merely a distant cuz of some number to me. His daddy and my 6th were brothers..

As far as the Martha Womack/Robert Bean/Been connection I havent any idea what
may have clouded that issue..


Tuesday, January 24, 2006 at 22:01:55 (PST)
Beth
bhowser

Diana,

Whose Revolutionary War Record are using for your DAR application? Captain Robert Bean or Maj. Jacob Womack? You descend from both.

Beth


Tuesday, January 24, 2006 at 12:10:35 (PST)
Diana Lynn Walker Sphar
dlynn_walker@yahoo.com

I just saw the posting for *******Tuesday, July 05, 2005 at 21:25:30 (PDT)****
Beth
bhowser@alltel.net
Derrell, Ann and Jim Lotspeich,
**************************************
this posting references the DAR and Levi Berry Womack (robert BEEN/Bean) and William Womacks

I am of this line and was having some problems with this area myself. DAR basically said that This line was CLOSED I am not even sure what that means, but If you folks are still working on this line I would be interested in anything else you find. I am copying these posts to read later.

Thanks

Diana
Ella - Janie -
Eva - 1901
Rhoda Jane Womack - 1872 Scottsboro, cherokee, Alabama m Eddie Stevens b 1873
William Riley Womack - 1826 TN m Lucretia Taylor 1832
Levi Berry womack b abt 1803 NC m Martha Beane


Monday, January 23, 2006 at 16:48:55 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Anne
Do you have any dates on any one other than Theo's estimated dates??

And what you are saying is that your mother was a daughter of one of Nannies
brothers?? I think Nannies parents were Edward and Malissa Randolph Only.
The last name spelling varies, Only/Onley - poss Olney..

Schuyler was the son of James Alexander IV and Rebecca Higdon...which you may
already have from previous correspondence -- I cannot locate Theo anywhere.

Also, could his mother's name have been Theodora ratherthan Theora?- I so she is on the Social Security Death Index[SSDI]....

A little more information and mebbe can pull a little more out -- anything after 1930 is rather hard unless on the SSDI or a state death or marriage index.


Monday, January 23, 2006 at 14:13:48 (PST)
Anne M Davies
amd08202@msn.com

I am looking for Theo Womack. Born around 1935-1940, Father M.Raymond Womack Mother Theora Womack. Grandparents were Schuylar Noah and Nannie E Womack, From Cahttanooga, Calhoun, Cleveland area. His Father, Ray,was my Mother's first cousin. Her maiden name was Mary E Onley. I do not know if he is still alive. I can not find anything else about him. Would appreciate any info.


Monday, January 23, 2006 at 07:54:56 (PST)
LYDIA WOMACK
LYDIALVLND@AOL.COM

IN 2000 I STARTED TRYING TO FIND MY COUSINS, I HAVE NEVER MET. BUT, I REALLY WANT TO KNOW. I WANT TO KNOW MY FATHER'S FAMILY. I BELIEVE I SPOKE ONCE WITH ROGER WOMACK, I KNOW I'M RELATED TO JAMES GARNER. MY FATHER WAS STATIONED WITH HIS BROTHER. MY FARTHER'S PICTURE FROM AROUND 25 YEARS LOOKS LIKE HE COULD BE JAMES BROTHER. MY FATHER KEN WOMACK, FATHER WAS GEORGE WOMACK AND HIS MOTHER WAS RACHEL WOMACK. PLEASE HELP ME FIND AS MANY RELATED TO ME. MY FATHER WAS THE YOUNGEST OF 14, I'M THE YOUGEST OF 8 WOMACKS. THANK YOU FOR ANY NAMES AND E-MAIL ADDRESS. TIME IS RUNNING SHORT IN M CHANCE TO MEET MY FAMILY MEMEBERS. SO, PLEASE ANY ANYTHING AT ALL, I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW YOU,THEM. THANK YOU, LYDIA WOMACK


Monday, January 23, 2006 at 01:37:38 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Ed
I Hope you have read what I posted below - on an offchance they might have missed Walton Co when indexing - I went in and reviewed all census images [422] for Walton Co for 1900 - I also reviewed 41 for Richardson District for 1910.
Either these people were missed - or they were in another county and not indexed.


Sunday, January 22, 2006 at 09:13:34 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Ed
Dont know where those people were in 1900 and 1910; but did find them in 1920 and 1930. Not on Social Security Death Index; but Willie was on the Georgia
Death Index:

Georga Death Index:

Name: Willie C Womack
Death Date: 08 May 1962
County of Death: Walton
Gender: M
Race: W
Age: 66 years
County of Residence: Walton
Certificate: 15010
This may posibly give spouse and parent's names.

1920 Census, Richardson, Walton Co, GA
Womick, Willie age 23 He and parents born GA
Didus age 19 She and parents born GA

1930 Census, Militia District 250, Walton Co, GA
Wammack, Willie age 30 All born GA
Didus age 27
Sola age 9 [Lola?]
Lan E [f] age 7 [poss Lou E?]
Mary 4
Thomas age 1 11/12

Cannot locate on 1900 and 1910 censuses.
I used exact and soundex on name.


Sunday, January 22, 2006 at 05:23:50 (PST)
ED COWAN
edmacow@netzero.com

WILLIE WOMACK 1897, DIED MAY 05, 1962. MONROE , WALTON COUNTY GA ? MARRIED TO DIDIUS WOMACK. WOULD LOVE TO KNOW MORE . CAN FIND VERY LITTLE ON THIS FAMILY ?
THANKS . ED COWAN


Saturday, January 21, 2006 at 10:15:54 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Teresa
I have checked the WW1 civilian registration data base - nil on Geter - as far
as enlistments go - I have found no area I can check WW1 - the only alternative
is to go to www.nara.gov and click in on military and see if they will do a
search for you - at best that was just a poss thing to look into -

I am still stumped where this dude was in 1900 - and who the Eliza of 1870 was
attached to - but she obviously had some connection with Geter's family because
of the name similarity - perhaps she married a brother of Geter's father? Or an older brother of Geter?


Friday, January 20, 2006 at 18:58:36 (PST)
Doris
dcox@kerrlake.com

All birth records information came from Mark Womack's work.

I should have done a better job posting the data.

Notes on the individuals listed earlier.

Melvina Womack is a female.

Nockswell(?) is male and I have the children for Polk Dallas and Mollie Womack and I don't have Nockswell or know which child he is. He was born alive, but maybe he didn't survive to show on census data. This is a Southern District Womack line.

Sibble(?) Womack is male born alive.

The only individual listed as born dead was the last one I listed. However, a number of those births which left the race blank also left the born dead or alive blank. If you need to know about an individual posted, place a query here at WGN.


Friday, January 20, 2006 at 18:03:58 (PST)
Doris
dcox@kerrlake.com

*Halifax Co VA Records
Womack Records of Births

[I am only listing the births of white and unknown race]

Child: - Womack
Born: 1868
Race: [left blank]
Person reporting: Farmer
Relation: Farmer
Note: This record almost completely unreadable.
Father: [left blank]
Father's occupation: [left blank]
Residence: [left blank]
Mother: Cleary Womack

Child: - Womack
Born: 1868
Race: [left blank]
Person reporting: Farmer
Relation: Farmer
Note: This record was almost completely unreadable.
Father: [left blank]
Father's occupation: [left blank]
Residence: [left blank]
Mother: Mollie L. Womack

Child: - Womack
Born: 12 Jan 1870
Race: [left blank]
Person reporting: T.W.
Relation: Father
Note:
Father: Tom Womack
Father's occupation: Farmer
Residence: Halifax
Mother: Lareth Womack

Child: - Womack
Born: 19 May 1870
Race: [left blank]
Person reporting: H.W.
Relation: Father(sic)
Note:
Father: Guy Womack(sic)
Father's occupation: Farmer
Residence: Halifax
Mother: Harriet Womack

Child: - Womack
Date of Birth: Aug 1879
Gender: Male
Race: white
Born Alive or Dead: Dead
Place of Birth: Halifax
Person Reporting: R. E. Womack
Relation: Father
Collection Notes: Recorded in Northern District
Father: Robt. E. Womack
Father's Occupation: Farmer
Residence: Halifax
Mother: Eliza Womack
Number at Birth: 1


Friday, January 20, 2006 at 17:48:00 (PST)
Doris
dcox@kerrlake.com

*Halifax Co VA Records
Womack Records of Births

[I am only listing the births of white and unknown race]

Child: Sam Womack
Born: 13 Jun 1870
Race: [left blank]
Person reporting: A. W.
Relation: Father
Note:
Father: Anderson Womack
Father's occupation: Farmer
Residence: Halifax
Mother: Delia Womack

Child: Sibble (?) Womack
Born: 24 Jun 1871
Race: white
Person reporting: M.R. Womack
Relation: Grandfather
Note: Place of Birth: Roanoke Twnship
Father: C. W. Womack
Father's occupation: Sawyer
Residence: Roanoke Twnship
Mother: Mary E. Womack

Child: Susan Womack
Born: Feb 1874
Race: white
Person reporting: W. R. (B?) Womack
Relation: Father
Note: Place of birth: Roanoke Twnship
Father: Wm. R. (B.?) Womack
Father's occupation: Farmer
Residence: Roanoke Twnship
Mother: Susan Womack

Child: Susan Womack
Born: 6 Jul 1880
Race: white
Person reporting: R. Womack
Relation: Father
Note: Recorded in Northern District
Father: Robt Womack
Father's occupation: Farmer
Residence: Halifax Co
Mother: Louisa Womack

Child: Thos. B. Womack
Born: 17 Dec 1870
Race: white
Person reporting: Jas. K. Womack
Relation: Father
Note:
Father: Jas. K. Womack
Father's occupation: Farmer
Residence: Halifax
Mother: Sallie J. Womack

Child: William W. Womack
Born: Jul 1858
Race: white
Person reporting: Charles H. Womack
Relation: Father
Note:
Father: Charles H. Womack
Father's occupation: Farmer
Residence: Halifax
Mother: Eliza Tucker (?)

Child: - Womack
Born: Nov 1859
Race: white
Person reporting: M. Womack
Relation: Father
Note: No name is given for child.
Father: Marshall Womack
Father's occupation: Farmer
Residence: Halifax
Mother: Eliz. Womack


Friday, January 20, 2006 at 17:22:52 (PST)
Doris
dcox@kerrlake.com

*Halifax Co VA Records
Womack Records of Births

[I am only listing the births of white and unknown race]

Child: Nannie M. Womack
Born: 22 Jul 1877
Race: white
Person reporting: Parents
Relation: Parents
Note: Recorded in Halifax Court House
Father: Jas. K. Womack
Father's occupation: Farmer
Residence: Halifax Co
Mother: S. J. Womack

Child: Nockswell(?)
Born: Jun 1874
Race: white
Person reporting: P.D. Womack
Relation: Father
Note: Recorded in Meadsville Township
Father: Polk D. Womack
Father's occupation: Laborer-(?)
Residence: Halifax
Mother: Mollie (Nellie?) Womack

Child: Paul D.
Born: 25 Mar 1876
Race: white
Person reporting: P. D. Womack
Relation: Parent
Note: Recorded in Halifax Court House
Father: P. D. Womack
Father's occupation: Farmer
Residence: Halifax Co
Mother: M.L. Womack

Child: Sallie Womack
Born: May 1876
Race: white
Person reporting: Louisa Womack
Relation: Parent
Note: Recorded in Northern District
Father: None(sic)
Father's occupation: [left blank]
Residence: [left blank]
Mother: Louisa Womack


Friday, January 20, 2006 at 17:03:31 (PST)
Doris
dcox@kerrlake.com

*Halifax Co VA Records
Womack Records of Births

[I am only listing the births of white and unknown race]

Child: Mary E. Womack
Born: 15 Feb 1870
Race: [left blank]
Person reporting: G.W.
Relation: Father
Note:
Father: Green Womack
Father's occupation: Farmer
Residence: Halifax
Mother: Mary Womack

Child: Maud Womack
Born: 7 Feb 1874
Race: white
Person reporting: C. W. Womack
Relation: Father
Note: Place of birth: Roanoke Township
Father: Chas W. Womack
Father's occupation: Lumber Man
Residence: Roanoke Township
Mother: Mary E. Womack

Child: Melvina Womack
Born: 3 Apr 1855
Race: white
Person reporting: Miles (M.E.?)
Relation: Father
Note:
Father: Marshall Womack
Father's occupation: Farmer
Residence: Clover Depot
Mother: Elizabeth Womack

Child: Miles Henry Womack
Born: 12 Mar 1871
Race: white
Person reporting: Wm. Womack
Relation: Father
Note: Place of birth: Roanoke Twnship
Father: William Womack
Father's occupation: Farmer
Residence: Roanoke Twnship
Mother: Eliz. Womack

Child: Nancy Womack
Born: Sep 1870
Race: [left blank]
Person reporting: [left blank]
Relation: Father
Note:
Father: Robt. E. Womack
Father's occupation: Farmer
Residence: Halifax
Mother: Louisa Womack

Child: Nanie(sic) J. Womack
Born: 28 Jan 1870
Race: [left blank]
Person reporting: J.W.
Relation: Father
Note:
Father: Jack Womack
Father's occupation: Farmer
Residence: Halifax
Mother: Lizzy Williams(?)

Child: Nannie E. Womack
Born: 27 Mar 1867
Race: white
Person reporting: Louisa Womack
Relation: Mother
Note: Place of birth: Scottsburg
Father: [left blank]
Father's occupation: [left blank]
Residence: [left blank]
Mother: Louisa Womack
Number at Birth: 2


Friday, January 20, 2006 at 15:37:26 (PST)
Teresa
resa1207@yahoo.com

Sam,

I must have missed your post on the 1920 census. I have spent I know at least two or three hours looking through the ancestry.com database for that info and never found anything.- Thanks!

I never thought about Bradshaw being inlisted. Where would I look for that information? When I talked to Lucy Wells last year at the Zora Womack Conner reunion she said that he (in her words) "drank himself to death". I also heard from someone else that he died of pneumonia. Lucy Wells is very old. In her nineties. I dont know how reliable her memory truly is. She also said he had a brother named Jeff. Lucy Wells is the only daughter of Zora left living. I dont know how to get back in touch with her. I left my name and number with her daughter in case she mentioned anything else that might be useful to me but I havent heard a word from any of them. You know some people are just not as interested in the past as others. Anyway I would like to persue the inlisted idea. Where should I start looking? Thanks
Teresa


Friday, January 20, 2006 at 14:53:14 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Doretta
I think you have hit it right on the head - Two Williams, two Elizas -
I'll see if I can find an Eliza, unfortunately have no last name to go by,
age 9 or 10 on the 1880 - Sure wish that 1890 had survived!!

There is a William that died in 1897 - I think I have posted that one
before...could fit in with the widow Eliza of 1900 with three sons --
I have over 50 different, possibly more, Williams in my data base...

It appears the two families that had Bradshaws were related closely...
I still cannot fathom the difference in wives names for that R E J
[Robert E] Womack...Lou or Louise and Eliza [1880] But Lou was informant
for his death - Do we have an Eliza Louise here?

Oh well, lets hang in there and solve this thang!


Friday, January 20, 2006 at 14:33:01 (PST)
Doretta
DREEC@EKNS.NET

Doris, Sam, Teresa - We are dealing (I think) with 2 William Womacks, 2 Eliza Womacks and 2 Bradshaw Womacks. We all know about the William problem so I won't mentioned him. Now one Eliza Womack was born Jan 1870 VA and the other was Eliza A Womack born ca 1850 NCar. Now Eliza Womack born Jan 1870 VA is the head of household in 1900 in Halifax Co VA. She has a son Bradshaw Womack (age 6) born March 1894 VA and 2 other sons in her household. Now della Franklin married 31 Oct 1904 Bradshaw Womack in Halifax Co VA. Now he can't be the Bradshaw born March 1894 since that Bradshsw was only age 10 in 1904. Now we find on the 1910 Halifax Co VA Geter B Womack (age 25) (b 1885) and Idellar (age 27) (b 1883). They have a Eliza A Womack (age 60) (b 1850) in North Carolina living with them. This Eliza A Womack has given birth to four children of whom only three were living in 1910. What do you fellows think? Could I be right or am I wrong? Doretta


Friday, January 20, 2006 at 07:43:37 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Teresa
In case you missed my earlier post or what I sent in e-mail
1920 Census, Halifax Co, Roanoke District, VA
Morefield, Idella age 32 b. all on census born VA
Andrew age 52 born
Womack, Martha age 19
Letcher age 13
Phillip age 11
Hattie M age 8
Jeter age 4 and some 12's cant make out for sure,
which places him in 1915, I have him Jul 15, 1915.
Census was taken Feb 18, 1920.
So Geter's death was sometime before or after Jeter's
birth. I cant find him registered for WW1, but wonder
if he enlisted and perhaps was killed?

One of you [Doretta,Doris,Teresa] found this but am repeating:
1930 Census Roxboro Twp, Person Co, NC dwelling 113/family 124
Moorefield Andre J age 63
Della age 42
George M age 9. b. VA
Jeter is listed as
Patterson, Jettie age 14 b. VA
Hudson, John D age 2 11/12, grandson, b. VA


Friday, January 20, 2006 at 06:33:23 (PST)
Doretta
DREEC@EKNS.NET

Doris - Thanks. Now I have full birthdays and relationships for some of those kids on the census. Doretta


Thursday, January 19, 2006 at 18:51:13 (PST)
Doris
dcox@kerrlake.com

*Halifax Co VA Records
Womack Records of Births

[I am only listing the births of white and unknown race]

Child: George Womack
Born: 8 Nov 1870
Race: [left blank]
Person reporting: H.W.
Relation: Father
Note:
Father: Henry Womack
Father's occupation: Farmer
Residence: Halifax
Mother: Alcy Womack

Child: Jno. D. Womack
Born: 23 Dec 1870
Race: [left blank]
Person reporting: MDFWW
Relation: Father
Note:
Father: M.D.F.W. Womack
Father's occupation: Farmer
Residence: Halifax
Mother: Harriet A. E. Womack

Child: Lizzie C. Womack
Born: 5 Oct 1878
Race: white
Person reporting: Parents
Relation: Parents
Note: Recorded in Halifax Court House
Father: P.D. Womack
Father's occupation: Farmer
Residence: Halifax Co
Mother: M.L. Womack

Child: Margaret F. Womack
Born: 27 Mar 1867
Race: white
Person reporting: Louisa Womack
Relation: Mother
Note: Place of Birth: Scottsburg
Father: [left blank]
Father's occupation: [left blank]
Residence: [left blank]
Mother: Louisa Womack
Number at Birth: 2

Child: Martha L. Womack
Born: 19 Sep 1868
Race: white
Person reporting: Father
Relation: Father
Note:
Father: Lafayette Womack
Father's occupation: Farmer
Residence: Halifax Co
Mother: Harriet E. Womack

Child: Martha P. Womack
Born: 24 Apr 1877
Race: white
Person reporting: Lou Womack
Relation:Parent
Note:Recorded in Northern District
Father: [left blank]
Father's occupation: [left blank]
Residence: [left blank]
Mother: Lou Womack

Child: Mary A. Womack
Born: 19 Nov 1872
Race: white
Person reporting: James K. Womack
Relation: Father
Note:
Father: James K. Womack
Father's occupation: Farmer
Residence: Birch Creek Twnship
Mother: Sallie Womack


Thursday, January 19, 2006 at 18:24:44 (PST)
Doris
dcox@kerrlake.com

*Halifax Co VA Records
Womack Records of Births

[I am only listing the births of white and unknown race]

Bettie Womack b. 10 Apr 1870 race: [left blank] Person reporting: J.W.
relation: father Father: Jacob Womack Father's occupation: farmer
residence: Halifax Mother: Sindy (Sandy?) Womack

Charles Womack b. Jul 1873 Race: White Person reporting: R. E. Womack
Relation: father Father: Robt. E. Womack, farmer Residence: Roanoke Township
Mother: Loving Womack

Edgar Womack b. 29 Oct 1877 Race: white Person Reporting: R. E. Womack
Relation: parent Recorded in Northern District Father: Robert E. Womack
Father's occupation: farmer Residence: Halifax Mother: Eliza Womack

Edgar Womack b. 30-1878 Race: white Person Reporting: R. E. Womack, Parent
Recorded in Northern District Father: R. E. Womack, farmer Residence: Halifax
Mother: Louisa Womack


Thursday, January 19, 2006 at 17:26:20 (PST)
Teresa
resa1207@yahoo.com

Sam,
You got your timeline right with my info. You can see why I put this down for about a year and a half. It was driving me crazy. I dont see anyway to put my line together. I do think there must have been two different families. I tried to find Geter B. and Eliza with my gdad jeter P. in the 1920 census putting him at 5 years old. I couldnt find him anywhere. I also looked for Eliza and Andrew, I couldnt find them either. Its like they fell off the face of the earth! Thanks again for helping me. Im still searching!
Teresa


Thursday, January 19, 2006 at 11:33:52 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

OK People - another food fer thought! Some of these people are very elusive!

1880 Halifax Co Census, dwelling 263/family 264,Roanoke District

Womack R E J 46 looks like it may be REJ Jr [1834]
Eliza 36
John H 19
Mary R 17
Rose B 14
Robt L 12
Nanny 9
Chas 7
Edgar 3

Do we have REJ married twice, once to Louisa and then Eliza?

1870 Census same state/county/etc, dwelling 142/family 143

Womack, Robt E 37 [1833]
Louisa 26 [1844]
Emily 11 [1859]
John 9
Rosa B 6
Robt 2
Mary 7

1860 Census, Halifax Co, Sep 10, 1860, Dwelling 1008/Family 980
Womack, Robert E 26
Louisa H 17 [1843]
Amy 7/12 [1850]

1850 Census, Halifax Co, Dwelling 279/Family 281
Womack, Henry 50
Susan 40
Robert E 16
William R 6

1850 Census, Halifax Co, Northern Dist, Dwelling 543/family 546
Crowder, John M 31 VA
Mary A 30 VA
Louisa 6 VA
Susan 2 VA

1850 Census, Fredericksburg, Spotsylvania Co, Dwelling /family 63 Aug 1, 1850
This getting thick or what??
Bradshaw, Wm 47 all born maryland...
C [f] 21
Eliza 6/12 [1850]
Cannot locate this family on 1860 Census. VA nor NC.

REJ/Robert appears to be same Man with two different wives...but,
see death record below...

Checked NC death recoreds 1908-1968; however some of the earlier
records were only partial...

Womack, Robert E.
Gen. note Race: White.
Gender: Male.
Date of death: May 26, 1884.
Place of death: Halifax County.
Cause of death: pneumonia.
Age at death: 52 year(s). [1832]
Place of birth: Halifax County.
Occupation: farmer.
Note Source of information: Halifax County, 1884, page 4, line 18.
Subject - Personal Womack, Robert E.
Womack, Henry, father.
Womack, Susan, mother.
Womack, Lou, consort.
Womack, Lou, informant (Wife).


Thursday, January 19, 2006 at 08:46:00 (PST)
Jean Richardson
richardsonj@mailsantarosa.k12.fl.us

Mr. Smith,
My second grade class would like to feature you on one of the days of our Black History Month calendar.
Would you please send us something that we could put on display?
Thank you very much,
Jean Richardson
2nd. Grade Teacher
Oriole Beach Elementary
1260 Oriole Beach Rd.
Gulf Breeze, Florida 32561


Thursday, January 19, 2006 at 08:31:15 (PST)
Doretta
DREEC@EKNS.NET

Sam, Doris, Teresa - That William Womack problem of Halifax Co VA for now has me completly stumped, so I took a break and went looking for some unknown descendants of Henry Womack & Susan. I found the following: Robert E J Womack (son of Henry & Susan) married Louisa H Crowler/Crowder who is maybe the daughter of John Crowder and Mary Stegall. (Mary also married Nathaniel B Stegall d1840). Anyway Robert & Louisa/Louise 's daughter Emily R Womack (living 1926 & was named as Emily Francis in brother John H Womack's 1926 court data), married 2 Jan 1879 James Wesley "Jim" Francis b 11 Sept 1852 d 17 Sept 1937. Emily R was b 12 Nov 1859 Halifax Co Va d 11 Dec 1940 Va & is buried in Francis Family Cem, Drysburg, Halifax Co Va. Their children were: (1) Issac/Isaac H Francis, (2) Lou Fannie Francis m Charlie Thomas Buntin, (3) Mary Francis m William Anderson, (4) James Melvin Francis m Ola Torian, (5) Mattie B Francis b1889/1892 m Robert T Womack B abt 1890 and they had Sarah Ester Womack b 23 April 1912 who married 24 Oct 1936 Eugene Denwood Francis b1912 d1963, (6) Charlie Leonard Francis m Nannie Lona Smith, (7) Sallie B Francis b abt 1901 d before 2005 m Charlie D Smith. Now Emily R (Womack) Francis' sister Nannie Womack b abt 1871 maybe married 19 Jan 1887 Halifax Co VA to John E Francis b abt 1867, but in her brother's court papers , she is refered to as Nannie Buntin living Danville, VA 1926. ( By the way I am still interested in the William problem. Could Geter Bradshaw Womack have died in Person Co NCar? Also by any chance, could the Eliza reporting the children's deaths be two different mothers named Eliza? Rosa, the daughter of one Eliza and the other two children belonging to the other Eliza. Keep posting thoughts, it keeps me thinking about this problem from different angles.) My postings almost always need proving. Doretta


Thursday, January 19, 2006 at 00:26:42 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

OK lets try to do a time thing on this William, Eliza, Geter situation

Working backwards as well as possible:

1930 - Someone found Eliza and Andrew in NC.

1920 - Eliza A has apparently remarried an Andrew Moorefield -
A young Jeter aged 5 [1915] is with them in Halifax - Geter
apparently is now deceased.

1910 - we Know Geter age 25 [1885] is in Halifax county by the census;
His mother, Eliza A, is with him and us shown as 60 [1850] years of age.

1900 - Where are they?? There is an Eliza A, widow with three children.
Bradshaw, Charles and John. Born abt 1894/95/96 respectively.

1897 - a William Womack dies - whose wife was named Caroline.

1885 Geter B Womack born per 1910 census.

1882 - a William R dies in MO, wife Lucy.

1880 - Cannot find Eliza nor William on a census in VA - However,
Halifax Co records the deaths of three children in Oct[1] and Nov 1880[2].
One of them was a Rosa aged abt 11. Probably one below.

I also did soundex searches on NC and WV - nothing on Indexes
I also checked Wilmot, Wilmoth and Wilmouth - nothing--

So, where are they?

1878 - A William R Womack dies - wife is indicated as Lucy. Couldnt be
Geter's father.

1870 - we find a William Womack and Eliza with a young daughter, Rosa;
aged abt 6/12 [abt 1869]. William is shown 25 years old [1845]. Eliza
is shown as 2 years older [1848].

1869 - We find an Eliza Morefield marrying a William Womack.

1865 - We find an Eliza A Wilmot marrying an Elias Morefield...

1860 - A William Womack found son of Henry and Susan AB Womack. Has
brother named Miles - Halifax Co VA.
A William M son of James and Mary - Halifax Co
And a William A - son of Archer --
All born between 1841 and 1845...

Eliz Wilmoth, age 14, Charlotte Co VA - daughter of Miles and Mary
Eliza A Wilmouth, age 13, Halifax Co, daughter of Susan, Halifax
Eliza Wilmoth, age 11, daughrer of Jemima, Randolph Co VA

1850 - Geter's mother Eliza born[based on 1910 census].
William R age 6 son of Henry and Susan - Halifax Co
William M age 6 son of Frances Womack, Widow..
William M age 1 month son of Achilles
Wm Womack age 3, son of Larkin, born NC - Buckingham Co VA Census

Eliza Wilmoth, age 10/12, Daughter of Samuel and Jemima Randolph Co
census Jul 27 1850. This is the only one close enough in VA.

Eliza Wilmouth, age 3, daughter of Yancey and Susan Rockingham Co NC

We are probably dealing with two Williams and two Elizas...missing census
data and Lord only knows what else --


Wednesday, January 18, 2006 at 13:17:07 (PST)
Beth
bhowser@alltel.net

Womack Cuzzins,

Bureau of Land Management web page is up and running again!

The Tampa Tribune - Published: Jan 15, 2006

Genealogists got a nice gift over the holidays from the Bureau of Land
Management when its online database became accessible again.

The records had been unavailable for about a year following a lawsuit
involving Indian lands.

The bureau's Web site provides access to more than 2 million federal
land-title records issued from 1820 to 1908 for public land states.

The public land states include Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas,
California, Colorado, Florida, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas,
Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana,
Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon,
South Dakota, Utah, Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

Happy hunting!
Beth


Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 22:47:34 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

OK, did another 158 images on the 1880 census for Halifax Co - After looking at these two censuses, 1880-1900, a lot of Womacks moved out of Halifax - there are not too many or Ancestry doesnt have all the pages up--

District 122 44 images
None

District 123 56 images

Womack, A V age 27 dwelling/family 195 image 20 of 56
S A age 32 [wife]

District 124 58 images All born VA unless otherwise noted.

Womack, M B age 63 Dwelling 86/Family 87 image 9 of 58
Elizabeth age 55
M Mel [f] age
Susan age 20
Waddell, Filmore age 12 nephew

Womack, R E J age 46 Dwelling 263/Family 264 image 27 of 58
Eliza age 36
John H age 19
Mary R age 17
Rose B age 14
Robt L age 12
Nanny age 9
Chas age 7
Logan age 3

Allen Chas Dwelling 348/Family 349 Image 36 of 58
Womack, Allen W age 9 [his ward]

Womack, Ann S age 45 Dwelling 350/family 351 image 37 of 58
Mary S age 7

Womack, Jeff D age 21 Dwelling/family 440 image 46 of 58
Molly T age 22


Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 21:20:43 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Doris, Teresa, et al
We are apparently dealing with two families of William and Eliza. I have went thru 160 images for the Roanoke Districts of Halifax - Unless they are somewhere else, dont look like they are there..There are black families but I
pulled only the caucasians.

Womacks in Halifax Co, 1900 Census, unless other wise noted,
All born VA.

District 54 - 46 Images
Womack, Abraham W Jan 1856
Image 8 of 46, Dwelling/Family 66

Womack, Eliza Jan 1870 Image 18 of 46, Dwelling/family 164
Bradshaw MAR 1894
John May 1896
Charles Apr 1898

Womack, Jeffrey May 1860, Dwelling /Family 179 - Image 20 of 46
Lucy T Jun 1870
Eddie L Oct 1897

Womack, Charles?? Jun 1876 Dwelling 328/Family 329 image 36 of 46
Sallie Apr 1877
Erenst Jun 1897
Bertha May 1899

Womack, John H Jul 1860, Dwelling 332/Family 333 image 36 of 46
Elizabeth Sep 1870
Saunders Oct 1892 nephew
Sarah Jun 1830 mother

Womack, Abraham? May 1854, Dwelling 467/Family 478 image 46 of 46


District 55- 31 images
None


District 56 43 images

Womack, William Sep 1861 Image 9 of 43, Dwelling 81/Family 84
Bettie Mar 1870
Arthur Feb 1886
Martha R Apr 1895
Hula L or S May 1898


District 57 40 images

Ancestry Image 39 of 40
Womack, R J Feb 1868 Dwelling 304, Family 364
Bettie Jan 1872
Thomas Nov 1891
Nannie Sep 1893
Willie Oct 1896


Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 19:20:54 (PST)
Doris
dcox@kerrlake.com

*Halifax Co VA Records
General Index to Deeds

Grantor: Eliza A. Womack
Grantee: H. Clay Whitworth Tr.
Kind: D of T Book: 66 Page: 452 Date: 23 Dec 1878 Location: 25A

Grantor: Eliza Womack &c
Grantee: Martha E. Wilmoth(sic)
Kind: B&S Book: 92 Page: 569 Date: 19 Dec 1899 Location: 25A Roanoke Dist

Grantor: G. B. Womack & wf
Grantee: J. W. Canada Tr
Kind: D or Tr Book: 113 Page: 550 Date: 23 Feb 1914 Location: 100A Roa Dist

Grantor: G. B. Womack & wf
Grantee: George W. Johnston
Kind: B&S Book: 117 Page: 333 Date: 7 Jun 1916 Location: 100A Roa Dist Staun R

Grantor: Idellar Womack &h
Grantee: J. W. Canada Tr
Kind: D or Tr Book: 113 Page: 550 Date: 23 Feb 1914 Location: 100A Roa Dist

Grantor: Idellar Womack &h
Grantee: George W. Johnston
Kind: B&S Book: 117 Page: 333 Date: 7 Jun 1916 Location: 100A Roa Dist Staun

Grantor: Idellar Womack &h
Grantee: J. W. Canada Tr
Kind: D or T Book: 119 Page: 38 Date: 9 Jun 1917 Location: Tract Roa D nr Clover

Grantor: Idella(sic) Womack
Grantee: See Idella Womack Moorefield
Kind: Ref Book: 134 Page: 469 Date: Location:


Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 18:35:05 (PST)
Doris
dcox@kerrlake.com

That last message came out so garbled, I'm going to redo it. Sorry.

*Halifax Co VA Records
General Index to Devisees and Heirs Page 106

Year: 1940 Kind of Instrument: L of H Will Book: 46 Page: 363

Heir or Devisee Of
[Idella's name written as:] "Idella Womack Moorefield or Idella Womack"

Name of Heirs
Jeter Womack, Letcher Womack, Phil Womack


Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 18:21:15 (PST)
Doris
dcox@kerrlake.com

*Halifax Co VA Records
General Index to Devisees and Heirs Page 106

- Sur - Name - Heir or - Kind of - Will -
Year - Name - of Heirs - Devisees - Instrument - Book - Page

1940 - Womack - Jeter - Idella - L of H - 46 - 363

- Womack - Letcher - Womack - - -
- Womack - Phil - Moorefield - - -

[Idella's name written as:] "Idella Womack Moorefield or Idella Womack"


Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 18:16:08 (PST)
Teresa
resa1207@yahoo.com

Doris,
THe info you requested about where Jeter p. lived. I know in 1930 census for Person Co., NC had him listed living with Andrew Moorefield and Idellar Franklin. He was married to Thelma in 1938 in Person Co. also, but he lived in Halifax after he was married. My dad said that he owned a store in the Difficult Creek area before he was born(1945). My dad said that Jeter P. ran away from home when he was a teenager and lived with a man in Person Co. Longhurst community that would have been between 1930 and 1938. He didnt know the mans name that Jeter lived with.


Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 18:04:50 (PST)
Teresa
resa1207@yahoo.com

Sam,
You are correct about Letcher and Jessie. I have pictures of their grave stones. They had four children in all. Roger,Claire, Catherine, and John Henry.
Jessie was born Jan. 23 1914 and died July 1993, Her death date is partially hidden in my picture by flowers.


Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 17:55:31 (PST)
Teresa
resa1207@yahoo.com

Doretta,
Mount Conner's parents are Ben and Martha Conner


Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 17:52:39 (PST)
Teresa Womack Moore
resa1207@yahoo.com

Sam, Doris, Doretta,

Wow! You guys have been busy! When I checked the message board today, I was shocked. Sam, The census you spoke of about the dates being wrong has been a confusing point of interest to me ever since I ran accross it. That cant be my Bradsaw. Doris, I have copies of the marriage licence's for Jeter P. and Thelma Bliss, Geter B. and Idellar, and William and Eliza. I have studied them until I almost went blind. Everything is posted here on the message boards. Im starting to wonder if there are two families with the same names. Do you know if Bradsaw is listed in the Death indexes? I cant figure out when he died exactly or where. I would love to find his grave. I dont know when or where Idellar died either. My grandfather Jeter P. was born in 1915, I found some land grants between Idellar and the Moorefield man she married in 1917 in Halifax. I figure sometime after 1915 and before 1917, he died. My grandfather Jeter never told anyone about his childhood, only that he was very unhappy. So we know nothing past him. All his other sisters and brothers have died. I just want to say how touched I am that you guys are working so hard to help me figure out this mystery. Thanks, Teresa


Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 12:58:28 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Doretta
If this William died in 1878 - he cannot be the husband of Eliza A, who was a
widow on the 1900 census with Bradshaw - shown as born 1894, Charles 1895, and
John 1896. If this is the correct Eliza who married William in 1869; then Bradshaw, if he is Geter Bradshaw, has an incorrect year of birth...but Geter was shown on the 1910 as born abt 1885; with an Eliza A born abt 1850 as mother, widowed, living with...

I have looked all over for this Charles and John and cannot find them after 1900. Unless they died, they do not appear on any index for 1910/1920 in VA.

I did find a Charles as a Lodger on the 1920 for Richmond, Henrico Co age 23 [1887]born on VA - but that is as close as they come to 1896.

Also found a John as a lodger on the 1930 for Richmond, wife Mary M - John was born 1898.

Wont say Charles and John are the same as Geters brothers - but they are as close as I can get at the moment....


Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 10:21:26 (PST)
Doretta
DREEC@EKNS.NET

Sam - On Doris' last Jan 17 posting she says "died March 29 1878 of Consumption, occupation farmer, Father Henry Womack, Mother Susan Womack, consort Lucy Womack, informant Lucy Womack, wife" Earlier you say on Jan 16 "Eliza was a widow on the 1900--" Doretta


Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 09:48:45 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Doretta
Which William and Lucy are we referring to? I have found nothing to connect
William m. Eliza to anyone else..yet anyway..


Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 08:06:50 (PST)
Doretta
DREEC@EKNS.NET

Doris & Sam -(Halifax Co VA postings) By any chance, could the William Womack who married Eliza and the William Womack who married Lucy be two different Williams? Doretta


Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 00:26:33 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Teresa
On your Earlier post about Letcher M Womack:
Son of Geter and Idella Franklin Womack
Dec 12 1906 to Mar 1972 - Source SSDI.
Both in VA..
Was married to someone named Jessie, year of birth
from census 1913 - had child, John H born abt Mar 1930
was age 5/12 on census for Halifax Co Aug 8 1930
He was 21 and she 15 when they married so that puts
their marriage around 1928?


Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 00:09:50 (PST)
Doris
dcox@kerrlake.com

Teresa

Re: the marriage record of William Womack and Eliza Moorefield. I just found the details on this marriage as follows:

*Halifax Co VA Marriage Records Book: 3 Page: 59
Married: 29 July 1869 [The 26th or 28th July 1869 would have been the license]
Groom:
William Womack Age: 25 Single Born: Halifax Co VA Residing: Halifax Co VA Occupation: Farmer Parents: Henry and Susan

Bride: Eliza Moorefield Age: 21 Widower Born: Halifax Co VA Residing: Halifax Co VA (occupation left blank) Parents: Yancey & Susan

Now, since this William Womack is Henry and Susan Womack's son, I have more information now that connection is confirmed.

His name is William R. Womack [Halifax County VA Census 1850]
born: 1844 [Halifax County VA Census 1850 - age 6]
[Halifax Co VA Marriage Records - Married age 25]
[Halifax County VA Register of Deaths - died age 34]
born: 1847 [Halifax County VA Census 1870 - age 23]
born: Halifax Co VA [Halifax County VA Register of Deaths - page 4, line 155]
died: March 29, 1878 of consumption, occupation: farmer, Father: Henry Womack, Mother: Susan Womack, consort: Lucy Womack, informant: Lucy Womack, wife.

No information on Lucy Womack. Only source for her name is the above death record of William Womack, the death record only list his name as William Womack with no middle initial.

I have no children listed for William R. Womack and Lucy (unknown maiden name). I don't see a marriage record for a William Womack and a Lucy either in my records. They could have married in NC. I will check Halifax birth records tomorrow evening.


Monday, January 16, 2006 at 23:43:07 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Doris
Eliza was a widow on the 1900 --


Monday, January 16, 2006 at 22:29:02 (PST)
Doretta
DREEC@EKNS.NET

To all you Womacks - I goofed BIG on my earlier posting. William R Wilmouth is NOT William R Wilmouth. He is WILLIAM R WOMACK, the 2nd husband of Eliza Wilmouth whom she married 29 July 1869. Eliza's 1st hushand was Elias Dodson Moorefield whom she married 21 July 1865. I guess I didn't have enough confusion with those Wilmouths. I had to make more. I also stand corrected on Rosa G. From the 1870 census posted , I say Rosa is William Womack's first born. Doretta


Monday, January 16, 2006 at 22:17:41 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Doris, et al

You are right it is Zola not Zora - However, there is no tail
on the 0/12 and that is why I listed as such -

Louis P must be the Phillip of the 1920 census -

I cannot understand why Geter B [Bradshaw on 1900 Census]
is shown as born in 1894 on that census..There would be no
way he would have married and produced off spring by 1906!!
===========================================================

The other thing is Eliza's age is shown as 30; yet she is shown
as 60 [1850] on the 1910 living with Geter - On the 1870, she is
shown as age 22 [1848]. And Rosa, one of the deceased children
is shown as age 6/12 and the census was taken Jul 13, 1870.
On the 1920 it looks like 73[1847]. So, I cant buy an 1870
year of birth on her...now if we have two different people we
are dealing with....and thinking they are the same --

What I have below will bear further verification...the census should
be fair to middling on reliability. This is the only Eliza I could find.
Last name shown as Wilmot/Wilmoth/Wilmouth.

If you will check the old Womack Genealogy Magazine/Volumes, there was
a statement that Womack had been disguised as these names...
====================================================

Randolph Co VA, 1860 Census dwelling/family 606/610
Wilmoth, Jemima age 53[1807] all born VA
Jacob [V?] age 16 [1844]
Eliza age 11 [1849]
Census taken Jul 18, 1860
================================================

1850 Census District 52 , Randolph Co VA, Jul 27, 1850
Dwelling 303, family 304
Wilmoth, Samuel abt 40 all born va
Jemima age 39
Andrew J age 16
Taylor J age 14
Leonard Age 13
Julia A age 11
Jacob V age 5
Eliza 10/12
==================================================
From LDS:

Jacob V. WILMOTH
Birth: 31 MAR 1845 Of Charlette, , , Virginia
If this is the city, then Randolph Co on another would be correct?
Death: 16 DEC 1919
Parents:
Father: Samuel WILMOTH
Birth: 19 May 1804 Charlotte, Va
Death: 11 Mar 1856
Mother: Jemima Taylor
Spouse: Anne Eliza Johnson
Birth: 16 APR 1842 Of Charlette, , , Virginia
Marriage: About 1866 Of Charlette, , , Virginia
Death: 28 FEB 1906
==================================

Samuel's parents listed as:

Nicholas WILMOTH
Born: 24 Feb 1762 Place: Of, Randolph, Virginia
Died: 22 Jun 1839 Place: , , Va
Married: 12 Aug 1789 Place: , Randolph Co, Virginia

Father: Thomas WILMOTH
Mother: Agness

Wife's Name
Sidney CURRENCE
Born: 1763 Place: , Harrison, Wv
Died: 5 Feb 1845 Place: , Randolph Co, Virginia
Married: 12 Aug 1789 Place: , Randolph Co, Virginia

Father: William CURRENCE
Mother: Lydia STEELE

Anyway, this info presented on a for what its worth basis...


Monday, January 16, 2006 at 22:10:48 (PST)
Doris
dcox@kerrlake.com

Thanks Sam!

Question on your post to Doretta on Monday, January 16, 2006 re: I found Geter as Bradshaw on the 1900 census, but with wrong age - if he is the same one born in 1885..mother was Eliza A, I think I sent that to you.

On the above, what was the father's name on this 1900 census or was Eliza head of household?


Monday, January 16, 2006 at 20:47:49 (PST)
Doris
dcox@kerrlake.com

Teresa

Correction to my previous post: I didn't post the census information I had because Sam had already posted it.

What I had differed a little from Sam's posting, so I will post it. Sometimes these census are not that easy to read so I don't know if I transcribed it correctly.

*1870 Halifax Co VA Census
Roanoke Township Post Office Halifax Court House
Roll 1650 Book 1, Page 693b
Household 452-453
William Womack 23 M Farmer VA born: 1847
Eliza Womack 22 F Keeping house VA born: 1848
Rosa Womack 6/12 F VA born: 1869

*1910 Halifax Co VA Census
Census Microfilm Records: Virginia, 1910
Locale: ROANOKE Series: T624 Roll: 1631 Part: 1 Page: 150A
Household #69=69
Geter B. Womack M W 25 M-1 5_ _ VA VA NC born: 1885
Idellar Womack F W 27 M-1 5-4-4 VA VA VA born: 1883
Martha G. Womack F W 4 S VA VA VA born: 1906
Letcher M. Womack M W 3 S VA VA VA born: 1907
Louis P. Womack M W 2 S VA VA VA born: 1908
Zora F. Womack F W 9/12 S VA VA VA born: 1909
Eliza A. Womack F W 60 WD Had 4 children 3 living NC VA VA born: 1850

Notes:
Geter: born abt. 1885, in VA, Father born VA, Mother born NC, married once to Idellar for 5 years so Martha is their first child.
Idellar: born abt. 1883, in VA, Father and Mother born VA, married once to Geter for 5 years, she has had four children and 4 children are living.
All the children are born VA and their parents born VA.
I have the fourth child as Zora, Sam read it as Zola. I have the fourth child as age 9/12 and Sam has her as 0/12.
On Eliza A. Womack: born abt. 1850 in NC, Father and Mother born VA, she is a widow who had 4 children with 3 living as of this census.

Note: Comparison of Eliza Moorefield: born abt. 1848 in VA - base on info. given in 1870 census. So the age difference is within an acceptable margin. Difference in state of birth VA vs NC.
From what I know, Eliza Moorefield had 3 children born and 3 children died before 1910. Eliza A. Womack in the 1910 census, may have only listed the 4 children born who survived childhood and has lost one of those 4. In other words she may not be including the three children she may have lost in childhood. Sometimes, painful memories are put totally away to ease the pain. Are they the same person? Need more research. Since Geter Bradshaw married in Halifax Co VA and I listed the book and page where the marriage can be found, hopefully it will list their parents and other useful info. The next time I'm in Halifax, if I am there when the courhouse is open and time permits, I'll check for you.


Monday, January 16, 2006 at 19:56:09 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Doris
Geter and Idella were living in Roanoke District, Halifax Co, VA as of the 1910
census.
In 1920, she had remarried Andrew Morefield and was listed as head of household,
not he, in Roanoke Magisterial District, Halifax Co...


Monday, January 16, 2006 at 18:46:14 (PST)
Doris
dcox@kerrlake.com

Teresa

Re: Do you have any info connecting Bradshaw or Zora R. Womack with William and Eliza?

Quick answer, no. I posted the two marriages because these two families were mentioned and I had the infomation in my paper files.

Lazy me, I don't have all my files on computer. I just put your line in the computer last week. When I posted to WGN, their burial data and location a few years ago in answer to your query for information, I didn't add them to the computer then. I should have. I had to go back to the WGN archives to find what I had given you then because that was quicker than going through tons of paperwork which I also don't have organized.

I have been going through the paper work to see if I had anything on your line and found those marriages, census records, and death records I posted.

I also saw something on Della's heirs. Will go back and find that again and post here at WGN. A quick read through of papers didn't show any court action or deed transfers. I will look again. Do you know how long they were in Halifax, like a range of years? I know Jeter Patterson Womack died in Halifax Co VA. The lineage you gave earlier, were they all in Halifax or do you know the last ancestor in Halifax and when he left - that type of info. including info. about time frames for Person NC etc. It will make it easier to run searches for data. Do you know where exactly in Halifax Geter Bradshaw Womack lived? In one query you mentioned Mt Laurel, was he in Mt Laurel, only? Do you have a neighborhood or community in NC? Don't post anything personal if the individuals are still living though. Thanks, Doris


Monday, January 16, 2006 at 17:39:02 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Just want to drop a little food for thought - We all know about the Womack gal that got with the McCargo guy - but the kids took the Womack name - Remember, if any DNA testing is done on the male descendants, they will not match the
Womacks; but the McCargos....

Secondly, speaking of DNA, as I remember, albeit dimly. There were some Allen children that used Womack and Allen interchangeably, probably to suit their moods - This may be why we have some three [or is it two?] different Womack
lines not very closely related by DNA...Of course, adoption, and other name assumptions could also have created the differences --

Those of the Thomas and Louvisa line I match less than 80% with - yet I match 85% with a Lindsey and 93% with a Meeks - So, I am not saying those descendants of Thomas and Louvisa are not Womacks; heck, my line may be the messed up one!
But, somewhere back there someone entered as a Womack that wasnt one...
I will say that as far as looks go, I do match someone who was a descendant of ole "John the Wifebeater" close enough to be brothers - I have a first cousin that matches the looks also with me and this other person -- When we were all 17, including my son at that age, we could have definitely passed for brothers.
His wife said he and I needed to be sure who our papas were!!

This DNA testing is a good thing - It would be nice to get more interested in it. But, contrary to Monteil and other talk shows - no way can a female be matched to a male with these tests - only males!! Some of you male Womacks consider it - If you need further info,etc - look up Jack Womack's E-mail here on WGN and contact him - Roger may be able to help you also.

I am trying to get someone in England, a Womack of course, to take the test..
Hopefully, one will -


Monday, January 16, 2006 at 17:18:06 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Doretta
I found Geter as Bradshaw on the 1900 census, but with wrong age - if he is the same one born in 1885..mother was Eliza A, I think I sent that to you.

The Tabitha Hudson in your post below is probably the one who married Abram
Womack, Oct 21, 1785, Halifax Co VA..

Sam


Monday, January 16, 2006 at 16:49:49 (PST)
Doretta
DREEC@EKNS.NET

Mary,Sam,Teresa,Beth ---First let me thank you Mary, for all that Compton Data. I have been looking it over. Mary C. Womack had only two issue: (1) Jeff who married 1st Mary Hudson (her parents unknown), married 2nd Lucy Sneed and (2) Lillie who married William Robert Hudson. Beth - This william Robert Hudson was I think the son of Emanuel Hudson and Martha A Lloyd, and grandson of William Hudson & maybe Lacky Seay. This William who married Lacky Seay, was the brother of Tabitha Hudson b abt 1763 who married ____ Womack. And also the brother of Charles Hudson b1757 d1840 whose son Julius Ceasar Hudson b1785 married 1813 Mary Womack (the sister of Henry & Miles). Now Teresa and Sam - The Eliza Wilmouth who married 29 July 1869 to William R Wilmouth, also married 1st 21 July 1865 to Elias Dodson Moorefield/Morefield. By Rosa G's death date and age, she could be Moorefield's child but went by the surname Womack. Now Geter Bradshaw Womack's name Bradshaw could be Bratcher or Bainster. In notes I received 2 or 3 years ago from Roger (of WGN), under Hattie M Womack Conner, her father is refered to as Bratcher and mother as Della. Then yesterday I found on RootsWeb a Banister Moorefield who is connected with Elias Moorefield's line. Now Idella/Della (as Della Geraldine Womack) married 2nd Andrew Jackson Moorefield 15 April 1918 Person Co NCar as one of his wives. Andrew b1867 91930 was the son of Leander "Lee" Moorefield b1840 d1926 nd Elizabeth F "Bettie" Wilmouth b1842 d1926. Leander was a brother to Elias Dodson Moorefield and they were sons of Stephen Moorefield and Eliza Wilmouth.(I hope I have these Wilmouth ladies stright.) This Eliza b abt 1815 d1849 was a daughter of Thomas Wilmouth and Nancy W Traylor. Della and Andrew Moorefield maybe had a child who married _____ Phelps. Mary - Let me mentioned the surname Conner since Zora Womack married Mount Conner. I don't know his parents, but I bet he is some kin to Elinor Conner b 23 Nov 1778 who married 13 Jan 1810 VA to Caleb Compton, Elinor was the daughter of John Conner and Mary Ann ___ and granddaughter of John Conner and Elizabeth Kavanaugh b1714. Now i also know of a different Caleb Compton who married 1834 Halifax co VA to Daisy Waller, daughter of Cuthbert Waller b1786 d1867 and Elizabeth Compton b1787 d1867. Last let me say that I think Mary Crews who married John Compton was maybe a near relative of David Crews who married Sarah Gooch. I don't have any proof on any of the above. Doretta


Monday, January 16, 2006 at 14:34:56 (PST)
Teresa Womack Moore
resa1207@yahoo.com

Doris,
Thank you!, I have seen Rosa's name before in the census but only once. I wordered why. Do you have any info connecting Bradshaw or Zora R. Womack with William and Eliza?
Thanks,
Teresa


Sunday, January 15, 2006 at 23:32:45 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Doris
Thank you - that explains what happened to the earlier children - and why there were those born after 1880 --


Sunday, January 15, 2006 at 18:59:24 (PST)
Doris
dcox@kerrlake.com

*William Womack born: Abt. 1847 VA
Eliza Moorefield born: Abt. 1848 VA
1. Rosa G. Womack
born: Abt. 1869 Halifax Co VA
died: 26 October 1880 Halifax Co VA diphtheria Age at death: 11 years
informant: Eliza Womack (mother)
2. Mattie Womack
born: Abt. May 1874 Halifax Co VA
died: 07 November 1880 Halifax Co VA diphtheria Age at death: 6 years, 6 months
informant: Eliza Womack (mother)
3. William A. Womack
born: Abt. 1876 Halifax Co VA
died: 07 November 1880 Halifax Co VA diphtheria Age at death: 4 years
informant: Eliza Womack (mother)
Sources: 1870 Halifax Co VA Census
Halifax Co VA Death Records 1880 Page: 5 Lines: 14,15,16


Saturday, January 14, 2006 at 17:01:27 (PST)
doris
dcox@kerrlake.com

*Halifax Co VA Court Records
William Womack
Eliza Moorefield
26/28 Jul 1869
Book: 3 Page: 59

*Halifax Co VA Court Records
Bradshaw Womack
Della Franklin
31 Oct 1904
Book: 3 1/2 Page: 104


Saturday, January 14, 2006 at 10:08:18 (PST)
ruth anne sarn monteleone
1064 @msn.com

I am looking for any infomation I can find on my grandmother Anne Sarn . she lived in Jeannette Pa. in the early 1900s .with her husband my grandfather Charles their children, william, mary, james, and,carmella,and charles james being my father. The story is that Mary and my grandmother Anne were shot to death by Mary"s intented husband as she chose not to marry him in an arranged marriage.carmella was also shot and hospitalized at that time . have no idea where my grandmother is barried or what ever happened to the shooter it haunts me as I only received little info as thoese involved did not speak of it often. Now they are all deceased and I feel I need to know please help me solve this mystery you may contact me e mail or phone 630 616 1204


Friday, January 13, 2006 at 20:01:33 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Teresa
This may or may not be; but dang sure looks good!!

Elias D. Moorefield
Birth: About 1843 Halifax, Virginia
Marriage: 20 JUL 1865 Halifax, Virginia

Wife
Eliza Ann Wilmoth
Birth: About 1847 Halifax, Virginia
Marriage: 20 JUL 1865 , Halifax, Virginia

Father: Yancey Achilles Wilmoth
Mother: Susan Whitlow

1870 Census, Roanoke, Halifax, VA Dwelling 452/Family 453
Womack, William age 23
Eliza age 22
Rosa age 6/12
Census taken Jul 13, 1870.
Can find nothing in VA or NC 1880 on indexes.


Friday, January 13, 2006 at 16:14:43 (PST)
Teresa Womack Moore
resa1207@yahoo.com

Sam,
I start looking at all my info and my head starts spinning. Did everyone name their children the same names? I found my Jeter b.-1915 in the 1930 census in Person Co. NC- He was living with Idellar and Andrew Moorefield.

As far as Bradshaw, Im totally confused. Mark had told me one time that he was not of his line. I keep seeing the same names that he is finding in my line. Tell me what you think. This is what I have put together.

1.Henry and Susan Womack ? is there more than one couple with the same name?
2. William and Eliza Wilmouth-Moorefield-Womack - married 1869 Eliza's first marriage was to E.D. Moorefield in 1865 - Her parents were Yancey and Susan Wilmouth.
3.Geter Bradshaw and Ideller Franklin Womack - married 1904
4.Jeter Patterson Womack and Thelma Paige Bliss Womack - married 1938
5.Larry Wilson Womack and Lillie Mae Irby Womack - married 1967
6. Teresa Womack (me)

The only concrete connection of a sibling for Geter B. is a sister named Zora who married Howse Mount Conner in 1897. Her parents listed on marriage license as Billy and ELiza A. Womack.
Please tell me if what I have is correct.
I am very interested in the George Womack you mentioned. I cant find anything on any other siblings for Geter B. and Zora.
Thanks for taking the time to help me search.
Teresa


Friday, January 13, 2006 at 15:15:32 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Teresa
After perusing 111 images for Roanoke VA - I found your Jeter..
Apparently Geter B has died sometime after Jeter was born in 1915.

Idella has remarried an Andrew Morefield
1920 Census For District 98, Roanoka, Halifax Co, VA
Morefield Deller
Morefield, Andrew
Womack, Martha b. abt 1906
Womack, Letcher b. abt 1907
Womack, Phillip b, abt 1909 [Not on 1910.]
Womack, Hattie M b. abt 1912
Womack, Jeter P b abt 1915

I'll be going for the 1930 and see what is there.Index not very good
I found Phillip and Letcher married and each with one son.
No Andrew More/Moorefield nor Idella/Della...
Will be losts more images - 104 on Districts 22 and 23 alone.

I did find a George womack b abt 1886, wife Ida
with a son Letcher L born abt 1912 VA. Possibly
a brother to Geter B??


Friday, January 13, 2006 at 13:06:37 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

On the censuses - I am on page 11 of 52 for one of three districts for Halifax
Co for 1900 - or was that? Guess I am having "senior moments" too! LOL


Friday, January 13, 2006 at 10:57:46 (PST)
Mary L. Hayes
mhayes@dcr.net

Doretta:
Per your Post of 1-12-06, Yes, My Henry & your Miles Womack were brothers, both sons of William Womack & Rebecca.

To answer your question "Is your James R. Compton the son of John Compton & Elizabeth Anderson?" No, because your James R. was born in 1820. John Compton & Elizabeth Anderson were married 26 Sept 1827, Halifax. Now they did have a son, James R. born 1835. See the 1850 Halifax Co., Census, John born 1805 & Elizabeth along with their entire family, including their son, 15 year old James R. was living in the household of William Anderson, Sr., age 72.

I'm pretty sure that your James R. and my Peter Compton were brothers. I have to much info to post here on the Comptons. Therefore, I will send you all family data on the generations via email. I've worked on these lines for 30 years and at times have my "Senior Moments." I do not have all my stuff on the computer, only my direct lines.

Also, Sam is absolutely correct about the indexes, whether it be Ancestry's or printed. Sometimes you just have to sit and read microfilm. I have found several ancestors not listed.

Mary


Friday, January 13, 2006 at 06:06:10 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Teresa
Note the age difference between Nancy and Della - Nancy was born ca 1800;
you say Della about 1886. If any relationship exists; I would have to guess
at either a great granny or a great aunt --

Also, I checked that 1900 census on John Moorefield -- the Della you refer to
is Idella Franklin born abt Sep 1882 -

On the 1910 Census, Roanoke District, Halifax Co A,
it lists a Geter B Womack, wife Idella [note not Della]
ages 25/27 respectively. He, Idella, children all born VA.
Children: Martha G age 4; Letcher M age 3; Zola F age 0/12, census done Apr 20;
Mother: Eliza A, widow, age 60 born NC
Son Jeter must be the one below --

Remember Lwellen Jackson from 1850 Census? Guess who is the
next family on the census? So there must be some connection?

Next: I cannot find anything on a Geter on the 1920/30 censuses, running soundex. I did find a Jeter Womack, born in 1915, died 1975, on the Social Security Death Index - I did not locate him on any census. Again, either left out of indexing; or, somewhere in the boonies and was not enumerated.

To show you how messed up the indexes are, I went thru the 1920 for Halifax Co VA - All caucasians, 3026 of them - I only came up with 6 Wommac and 9 Warmack
There were 2300+ blacks for a little over 5300 total souls in Halifax in 1930.
Yet the 1900 listed over 17000!! Wouldnt you say the Ancestry censuses are not
very reliable??


Thursday, January 12, 2006 at 19:17:31 (PST)
Teresa Womack Moore
resa1207@yahoo.com

sam,
Thanks for your email, you amaze me with all your info. The Nancy Frankin in the census you sent: my great-grandfather Bradshaw Geter Womack (I think he is the son of William R. Womack) married a Della Franklin born abt. 1886 according to their marriage license. Her parents were William and Bettie Franklin. Della was born in Halifax Co. VA. At the age of 17 she was recorded as a servant for John Moorefield in 1900 census. Do you think there is any connection between Nancy and Della? If so how?


Thursday, January 12, 2006 at 18:02:09 (PST)
Doretta Noland
DREEC@EKNS.NET

Thanks Mary, your posting has given us two more generations back on our Compton line. I have been looking for some time for their names. I haven't quite figured out how to bring up the different census on the computer to check for someone. Those census sure are handy. I am a little confuse on who James R Compton's father was. Is James R the son of John Compton and Elizabeth Anderson? Also I would love any sibling data that you wish to share. I have none. Lottie Womack's line back is: Jefferson Davis Womack and 2nd wife Lucy Sneed/Snead. Jeff is the son of Mary C (who never married and Littlrjohn S McCargo. Mary's parents were Miles Womack and Frances Hawkins. Your Henry Womack and Miles were brothers and sons of William Womack and Rebecca. Thanks again. Doretta


Thursday, January 12, 2006 at 11:47:00 (PST)
Doretta Noland
DREEC@EKNS.NET

Hey Sam, it looks like you have hit the jackpot. Your E-Mail is right on. Your Halifax Co VA census on Henry Womack is Mark Womack's Henry & Susan. On that 1850 Census, a Nancy Franklin age 50 is living with them. I wonder if she could be Susan's sister or maybe a servant. Her Franklin surname could be a maiden or married name. Now Lewellen Jackson could also be a worker or relative or both. I don't know. Now on the 1870 Halifax Co VA Census, Henry & Susan are enumerated with Andrew Tuck & wife. Could the Tucks be also some kind of relative? Now it seems that Henry & Susan's daughter Nancy (bornin VA) went to Grandville Co NCar (maybe to visit relatives). There she met and married in 1859 John Torian. Then Nancy died almost 40 years later in Halifax Co. Is that Halifax Co VA or NCar? Either way it shows Womack connection with both states. --- Now to those ADS Compton files. They do shoe Mary Hayes' lines from Roberta (per her recent posting). My husband's Comptons do seem to be of the same Compton bunch. But Don's line seems to be NOT a direct line from Roberta Womack. It looks like Roberta's husband "Jim" Compton is a brother or cousin to my husband's direct ancestor. I am still trying to figure out the connection, but I can say that Roberta's "Jim" is some kind of close relative to my husband's direct ancestor. --- Now on to the Jenkins of Posey Co Ind. That bunch that you found on the 1850 Census is the Anderson Jenkins & wife Nancy that I was talking about. If that Mrs Nancy Jenkins is really Nancy Womack,(the sister of Henry Womack of Halifax Co VA), it could help to tie in some of those loose hanging Womacks who left Va for other parts of the country. To me this Nancy sure seems to be Henry's sister. I don't know anymore on Henry's sister Nancy than what I have posted, nor do I have any proof to prove if the Nancs are the same person or different people. But if that Mrs Nancy Jenkins is really Henry Womack's sister, she could help to tie in some of those Womacks who left VA. Figuring out where she has lived and who the Womacks & Jenkins who lived in the same area are, could maybe provide connection clues to some of those loose hanging Womack lines. Also the direct ancestory of Anderson Jenkins and the line of Mrs Isabel (Jenkins?) Dunn's husband, may hold some clues on some Womacks. Relatives always kept some kind of contact with each other time. People just don't push a pin into a map to find a place to move to. They know of that place before moving and have a reason for going to that place or a reason to leave the place where they are living. Moving a great distance is a BIG STEP and Anderson Jenkins & family took several BIG STEPS. --- Now last to John Womack b1811 who married Ann Long. From your E-Mail, John's father is David Womack, so John can't be Henry's brother. Henry Womack (who married Susan), his parents were William & Rebecca. But I can't help but wonder what happen to Henry's brother John Womack. My husband's direct Womack line is Miles Womack of Halifax Co VA who married Frances Hawkins. This Miles is Henry's brother. Also Henry & Susan had a son Miles Womack and there is a Miles Jenkins age 28 living 1850 in Anderson & Nancy Jenkins household. Could William Womack's wife Rebecca be a Miles or does the Miles name come in further back? Doretta


Wednesday, January 11, 2006 at 09:43:52 (PST)
Mary L. Hayes
mhayes@dcr.net

Doretta:
Per your post of January 11th.
Roberta L. Womack & Thomas "Jim" Compton were my great grandparents. Roberta was the daughter of Henry Womack & Susan ?, see the 1850 Halifax Co., VA census. Thomas "Jim" Compton was the son of Peter Compton born 1806 Halifax Co. & Sarah (Sallie) J. Williams. Peter was the son of Richard Compton & Mary Kirk. Richard son of John Compton, Sr. & Mary Crews. John Compton, Sr. son of William Compton born ca1720, he lived in Lunenburg, Halifax Cos, died 1774 Pittsylvania Co., VA.

In my files I have a little info on your Richard Thomas Compton who married Lottie Womack. Richard Thomas was born September 1889, the son of Elijah H. Compton born Jan 1849 & Margaret ? born Sept 1849. See 1900 Halifax Co., census Roanoke Dist., 13th of June, dwelling 143/family 146. Elijah H. Compton was the son of James R. Compton born 1820 & Elizabeth D. ? born 1829. See 1870 Halifax Co. Census, Staunton Township, 11th August, dwelling 67/family 65. & 1850 Halifax Co. Census, Northern Dist., 9th of August.

Also on the 1920 Halifax Census, Roanoke District, Lottie Womack & "Tom" Compton have three children listed. In 1930, Halifax, Roanoke District, "Tom" Compton is listed as single, age 40, laborer on farm.

I hope this will be of some help to you. If you need names of siblings for Richard Thomas or Elijah H. I can provide them for you.

Sincerely,
Mary L. Hayes


Wednesday, January 11, 2006 at 08:04:53 (PST)
Doretta Noland
DREEC@EKNS.NET

Mary & Beth - Jacob G Snead married Ann/Nannie and had lots of issue of whom four were: (1) John Snead (1803-1874) who married Sarah H Allen (1800-1875) and they had Lewellen Snead (1821-1894) who married Jan 1849 Halifax Co VA to Rebecca J Womack (1822-1889) the daughter of Abe Womack who I know nothing about. (2) Charles Henry Snead (1804-1850) who married Susannah Rebecca Hudson (1817-1880) who is I think the daughter of Julius Caesar Hudson and Mary Womack. (3) William Snead who married Parkey Elizabeth Allen. (4) Zachariah Gordon Snead (1806-1878) who married Sarah B Majors. Now William & Parkey and Zachariah & Sarah are direct ancestors of Lucy Snead who married 1st Jefferson Davis Womack as his 2nd wife. (Jeff married 1st Mary Hudson and Lucy married 2nd an Edmondson.) Lucy and Jeff's daughter Lottie Womack b1898 married Richard Thomas Compton. I have been looking for descendants of Roberta Womack and Thomas "Jim" Compton to see if they are ancestors of my husband through Richard Thomas Compton. I know nothing more on Richard except his children's names. Doretta


Tuesday, January 10, 2006 at 11:25:33 (PST)
Doretta
Dreec@EKNS.NET

Gotcha Sam - No problems. Here's to a good year for all of us in Womack Research. Doretta


Monday, January 09, 2006 at 21:11:55 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Doretta
Thank you - that is all I need is to know people get what I send - my apologies if I have caused you any problems
sam


Monday, January 09, 2006 at 13:25:02 (PST)
Doretta Noland
Dreec@EKNS.net

Sam - I am so sorry that I am late in getting an answer back to you. E-Mails come in on my husband's equipment. I believe that I can receive E-Mails if I use a different address but for some reason I can't send out on my equipment. We haven't been able to figure out what the problem is, so I have been using his address. I also have problems using a CD on my equipment. I am hoping that after our budget gets a break from these high heatin bills, that we can get different equipment for me. I last posted before Don found your E-Mail to me. I have learned so much about computer research from you and others on WGN. I do want to thank you for your trouble and I do miss your postings. Please Sam, be patient with me. My old Gateway that I have been learning on is about used up. I believe be better this summer when I get new x-p equipment. Also a second phone line and a genealogy program that will work on the new stuff. Now I must tell you that I know of a Elizabeth Jeter who married a Josiah Crews b1745.They were of Campbell & Lunenburg Cos VA, but they had descendants who lived in Halifax Co VA. Also I wonder if some of Elizabeth's Jeters could have wondered down to Fla and are some relation. I suspect Josiah Crews could be connected in some way to a Mary Crews b1750-1752 who married John Compton b1745-1748. Their grandson Peter Compton b1806 Halifax Co VA married Sarah Williams. Sarah (maiden Williams) maybe married 1st Joseph Williams and 2nd Peter Compton. Sarah Williams had by Joseph, (1) Sarah H, (2) Peter James, and (3) Richard Jones Williams b1828 d1912 who married Virginia ann Blanks. Sarah Williams and Peter had Thomas "Jim" Compton b1837. This Thomas married Roberta L Womack. Now the Henry Womack (b1800 d June 20 1875) who married Susan (the Susan that Teresa & I have been talking about) had a daughter named Roberta. I don't know if they are the same Roberta, but I think they could be. I have been looking for decendants of theirs to see if they could be my husband's Compton line. Also I want to tell you about an Anderson Jenkins with a wife Nancy that I foun on RootsWeb. They had a daughter Maria Ellen b1836 Tenn d1906 Posey Co Ind. Maria Ellen married 1857 Ind to Charles Carrol Weaver. I can't but wonder if this Anderson Jenkins' wife Nancy could be Nancy Womack, the sister of Henry Womack (1800-1875). Henry's sister Nancy did marry Dec 18, 1819 Halifax Co VA to a Anderson Jenkins. Also Ann R Long's parents seem to be John R Long & Sarah Burnett. Ann R b1808 married John Womack b1810 d 8 March 1885. (Henry also had a brother named John of whom I know nothing more.) Ann R seems to have also married Tristam Bostic b1805 d Jan 1836. He seems to be of the Bosticks in your E-Mail. All the above could be what you already know. I am passing it along in case it is not known. Please forgive me Sam, I do find your great knowledge of Womacks very helpful. Your imput will be greatly missed by me & others just starting to work with the computeron that large family of Womacks. Doretta


Sunday, January 08, 2006 at 23:36:01 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Doretta
You are one of the reasons I rarely post on WGN - I have sent you two e-mails outside WGN with info - I have yet to receive acknowledgement that I sent that info - whether it was duplicate information or not is not the case; the fact it was sent is what matters --

I have been put down, castigated, etc for mentioning things like this - I have even bee told I was the reason people dont post to WGN - the only thing I have done in the past is to get people to post - regardless of how little they think they have - what they have may be a key or clue for someone else --

I am tired of the castigation - those people that dont post are, well I dont really have s decent wowrd for them at the moment -- other than cowards...

I stayed away from WGN for quite awhile to see if the "traffic" would pick up - It hasnt - --- So it hasnt been my fault totally - but I wont indulge very often in posting ---

You asked for help in one of your recent posts - And I tried - But, in the future, where is that help going to come from? Not from the rank and file Womacks - OOps better not say that --

Anyway -- Dont bother asking me for help if you cannot acknowledge it when it is given --

I have resources I pay for and I do share when people share back --

Anywaw, WGN started out nicely as a share and share alike -- Methinks it has gotten far beyond that lately,,

Sam


Sunday, January 08, 2006 at 07:40:13 (PST)
Doretta Noland
DREEC@EKNS.NET

I stand corrected. The Susan who married Henry Womack of Halifax Co VA, is NOT Susan/Susannah Vassar. Reginald Vassar on his WebSite says Nathaniel Vassar & Sarah Hudson's daughter Susan/Susannah Vassar/Vasser born ca 1795 married 27 Nov 1845 Jeremiah Nichols. So I say... Does anyone have any ideas of the surname of Henry Womack's wife Susan? Doretta


Friday, January 06, 2006 at 19:08:46 (PST)
Doretta Noland
DREEC@EKNS.NET

Teresa - I don't know if there was really a SUSAN JETER> I believe JETER was a surname and it is a guess that Susan who married HENRY WOMACK might have been a JETER. Anyway it is worth looking into to see if there was (1) a Susan Jeter who was about the right age and (2) if so, who she could have married. Who knows, by finding who Henry Womack's Susan is NOT may lead to who she really is. But right now my bet is on Susan being SUSAN VASSAR who I think was about the correct age. I just haven't been able to find out if or who that Susan Vassar married. I am just guessing on all of this. Hey you all out there... we need lots of help. Has anyone researched Henry Womack and Susan of Halifax Co VA? Thanks Teresa, pictures would be great. I'll pay you for them. Don's birthday is next month and I know pictures would please him. Doretta


Friday, January 06, 2006 at 19:08:44 (PST)
Doretta Noland
DREEC@EKNS.NET

Teresa - I don't know if there was really a SUSAN JETER> I believe JETER was a surname and it is a guess that Susan who married HENRY WOMACK might have been a JETER. Anyway it is worth looking into to see if there was (1) a Susan Jeter who was about the right age and (2) if so, who she could have married. Who knows, by finding who Henry Womack's Susan is NOT may lead to who she really is. But right now my bet is on Susan being SUSAN VASSAR who I think was about the correct age. I just haven't been able to find out if or who that Susan Vassar married. I am just guessing on all of this. Hey you all out there... we need lots of help. Has anyone researched Henry Womack and Susan of Halifax Co VA? Thanks Teresa, pictures would be great. I'll pay you for them. Don's birthday is next month and I know pictures would please him. Doretta


Friday, January 06, 2006 at 16:00:20 (PST)
Teresa Womack Moore
resa1207@yahoo.com

Doretta,
Letcher Miles Womack was my great great uncle, But with all of his sisters and brothers dead, I can't find anything about his name from family. Either I dont know who they are or they live far away. The name Jeter you mentioned really interested me. My grandfathers name is Jeter Patterson Womack. I haven't seen that name anywhere else except his father's name was Geter Bradshaw Womack. They are the only two named Jeter that I have found. Are you saying that there was a Susan Jeter somewhere in the line or did I misunderstand you? That would really be interesting. I live about 50 miles from that farm I told you about. The next time I have some time off and my Dad will go with me, I can go back to the farm and take some pictures with my digital camera and send them to you. You are right about the Hudson name, I have found that name alot in my research.
I hope someone reading this maybe has some info that could lead me in the right direction as far as Henry and Susan. Thanks
Teresa


Friday, January 06, 2006 at 07:17:53 (PST)
Doretta Noland
DREEC@EKNS.NET

Teresa - Sorry I missed your last posting. I don't have any data on LETCHER MILES WOMACK b1906 d1972. I bet the source for the name Letcher is a surname as is I believe the name Miles. I do agree with you that the name Miles does have a common source for our lines. I wonder if it could be the maiden name of some early Womack's wife. Also could your Susan who married Henry Womack be a JETER or could Susan be SUSAN VASSAR, daughter of NATHANIEL VASSAR and SARAH HUDSON? I have nothing to go on, just a thought. I have been unable to find who SUSAN VASSAR married. There is for sure close connections between HUDSON or HUDSON DESCENDANTS with the WOMACKS. I can easily name 5 marriges. I would love to go to Halifax Co VA todo research and see the farm, but with my bad leg, about as far as I can drive from home is to Maysville KY. Knowling who now owns the farm helps me. Now I can name the place in my notes. LOTTIE WOMACK married first to RICHARD THOMAS COMPTON. I don't know his parents or grandparents, but I am almost sure there is some close relation to ROBERTA WMACK who married THOMAS "JIM" COMPTON b about 1837. Could this ROBERTA WOMACK be HENRY and SUSAN WOMACK's daughter? Lottie's first is my husband's direct line. Can anyone help us on Henr Womack's line? Doretta


Friday, January 06, 2006 at 01:15:43 (PST)
DERRELL
dsrobinson2 @ cox.net

There was a C Womack in Pasadena and a Peter Womack in Pasadena at www.whitepages.com


Thursday, January 05, 2006 at 16:42:44 (PST)
Paul Laemmle
PLaemmle@aol.com

I am trying to locatea Bob Womack from Pasadena, California. any help would be appreciated.


Wednesday, January 04, 2006 at 18:44:44 (PST)
Paul N. Womack
paulwomack11@msn.com

Sam, thanks for input on Ky Womack's. These graves are on land still owned by the Mooney family.
Oliver Clayton was older Brother of my gg grandfather Walton B Womack. They were the sons of David and Esther Tanner. Was David the youngest child of Thomas and Louvisa Rice? That is the question I've been asking for several years. I've read many arguments on both sides. I am of the opinion that he was, but can I prove it? NO! But then I don't think anyone can prove he wasn't.


Wednesday, January 04, 2006 at 16:45:19 (PST)
Betty Phea
phea44@hotmail.com

The veterans administration has put up a search page for finding gravesites of veterans. I found a little more information than I had on several of my family. url is http://gravelocator.cem.va.gov/ . hope some will find it helpful.


Wednesday, January 04, 2006 at 12:41:00 (PST)
James Walker Womack
jwomack@charter.net

I tried to send photo's of Abner's gravesite and well as his grandson and greatgrandson. Your email would not let me send anything. Abner as in the article and 1st book by Oscar was my great (4x)grandfather. My father was Jessie Alton, son of Grover Alton, son of Levander. Would like to send these for those that do not know they exist. The pictures were taken over this last weekend (New Years)because my sister had not ever been to Abner's grave.

Thank You

Jim Womack


Wednesday, January 04, 2006 at 11:00:18 (PST)
Jamie
birls@boone.net

Are ideas as to who these girls are and how they are connected to their guardian? Wake Co, NC County Court Minutes: Sept 1772 The Court appointed Nathan Roland Guardian to Lucey and Sarah Womack, Hardy Sanders and Turner Smith Securitys." Thanks!


Tuesday, January 03, 2006 at 12:48:31 (PST)
sherry womack
sheshe110256@yahoo.com

I am just now starting to research my family ancestry and I am not sure How to begin. My father was Ernest Austin Womack Son of Ernest A Womack-wife Ada(don't have her maiden name but I have heard her family was from texas. I know that I have family in mccomb, ms & I beleive my father was born in tylertown ms. My father had 6 siblings, Gary Elliot Womack., Carl Rex Womack,Jonnie Gilbert Womack,Betty Lou Womack James dOYLE wOMQACK & Marie womack. If anyone can point me in the right direction or offer any help to get me started it would be greatly appreciated


Tuesday, January 03, 2006 at 09:27:56 (PST)
Tammy
willys41.1@juno.com

P.S. from Tammy: Don't know if this will help or not, but in the photo on the postcard, Left to right is Jim, Ethel, John, and then Marion. They are standing up outside in the picture in front of some trees. Jim is wearing a Military uniform and is standing next to Ethel who looks to be an older woman. Ethel is standing next to John who is an elderly man in the photo. Marion on the far right is also wearing a Military uniform. I don't recognize their names and/or can't figure out if they were related to me or not. This old postcard photo was apparently given to one of my Boatmans or Womacks, years ago.


Tuesday, January 03, 2006 at 08:58:43 (PST)
Tammy
willys41.1@juno.com

Just a quick note: I was looking thru' a big box of old photographs I inherited and came across a very old postcard. On this postcard is a photo of four Womacks. Their names written on the card are: Jim, Ethel, John and Marion. Do those names ring a bell with anyone? If so, let me know and I'll be happy to scan it and email you a copy of it. Also on the postcard is written in Printers Ink: "Seasons Greetings, from our house to your house." And underneath that, is written by hand: "Love Jim and John Womack." I'm sure these must be kinfolk of mine but the names don't ring a bell with me. I can't figure out who they could have been or how they were related to my Womacks or Boatmans?


Monday, January 02, 2006 at 21:15:25 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Just a little tip:
When looking for Womacks in Webster Co KY - In the index, look under Warnack..
The older Oliver C below was listed as O C Warnack in the index; but the actual census showed Wamack---Also, found the same thing in another state - if it hadnt been for the wife and children, I would have missed it...

By the way Paul, He was married 3 times, first to Easter/Esther Mooney;
Then Martha Herron Waggoner[widow of Waggoner], then to Elizabeth J Wilson - and as far as your Burney, I found a few with that name as first or middle; and, they were all males.

And someone has OC Sr listed as the son of a David Womack and Maria Tanner
--this David being a son of Thomas and Louvisa Rice Womack - can anyone verify that to any degree??


Monday, January 02, 2006 at 17:25:36 (PST)
Paul N. Womack
paulwomack11@msn.com

In the timbered hills just outside of Dixon, Ky is a small "Womack Cemetery". Buried here are Esther Mooney Womack abt 1814-1844(first wife of Oliver Clayton Womack Sr), Oliver Clayton Womack Sr Nov 12, 1812 - Apr 24 1887, Oliver Clayton Womack Jr July 17,1862-Feb 6,1908, and Burney Womack Feb 22, 1894-June 13, 1894. All that to ask, was Burney a girl or a boy?


Monday, January 02, 2006 at 15:34:28 (PST)
Doretta Noland
DREEC@EKNS.NET

I am beginning 2006 right. Already making corections. I stated in my former posting that Littlejohn S McCargo's will was written 7 May 1887. That is incorrect. It was written 7 May 1889. The corection is important because it mentions Mary C Womack, Jefferson Womack and Lillie Womack Hudson. Doretta


Monday, January 02, 2006 at 15:30:41 (PST)
Teresa Womack Moore
resa1207@yahoo.com

Doretta,
I do remember that the farm is near Difficult Creek, and I think there is an airfield nearby. I did take pictures that day but I seem to have lost the roll before I had them developed. Sounds like the Womack luck HuH? If you live near Halifax Co.,give Mr. Seamster a call. He is a very nice man. He may know more about the history of the farm. I know he didnt have any problem with us coming over to look around. He wasnt there when we went, so I didnt get a chance to ask him any questions. Good Luck and Happy New Year. Maybe 2006 will be the year you can finish putting the puzzle together!
Teresa


Sunday, January 01, 2006 at 09:54:39 (PST)
DERRELL
dsrobinson2 @ cox.net

Happy New Year every1


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