February 2005 Message Archive


Tuesday, February 01, 2005 at 01:14:26 (PST)
Frances Stewart
yr30_with4@hotmail.com

Does anyone know if there is a website like this for League's?

Thank you
Frances


Tuesday, February 01, 2005 at 09:36:25 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee @ msn.com

Frances try a query on Google -

For everyone - this is a neat site - some of you may already know of it -but it would be a grat place to post unknown photos and hopefully get some answers...

http://www.ancientfaces.com


Friday, February 04, 2005 at 11:54:12 (PST)
Jack Womack
jackwomack@grandecom.net

FYI
Good news for future DNA projects, on December 29 I submitted a Buccal Swab specimen to Relative Genetics to be deposited in an archive for a 20 year period. It was a 37 Loci Y Chromosome test that will insure present and future descendants of Abraham Womack 1644 the ability to trace their ancestors through a DNA comparison. My line is through Thomas and Louvisa as many of us are. This testing was done by the Blanton group because many of the Blanton descendants proved to be descendants of Abraham 1708. They have an ongoing project to determine the lineages of the Blanton Name. I received word that new testing has located two more of Abraham's descendants who carry the Blanton name.
I will post the results of my new test on the Ybase.org site where my other results are posted if anyone has their own Y Chromosome they would like to compare.
I have hesitated to post the article concerning Abraham 1708 and Ann Blantons affair that produced two sons one taking the fathers name and the other taking his mothers name because my records are incomplete. However I have more than enough to prove that Thomas Womack and Archie Blanton were full brothers.
Descendants of Thomas and Louvisa now have many cousins who carry the Blanton surname.
There has been a lot of speculation about Thomas's parentage but the proof is now known. Several articles has been written about the possibility of Thomas and Archie being brothers and there is a couple on the WGN. Much research has been done on the subject but the proof was in the efforts of the Blanton Research group that contacted me in 2000 to be a DNA doner because my lineage was more complete than other Womacks contacted. I am thankful to that group for selecting me to participate and thus breaking down the "Brick Wall" of Thomas's parents.
I recently had the misfortune of a heart attack that has slowed down my efforts to research and write about this subject.
Jack


Friday, February 04, 2005 at 14:45:10 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee @ msn.com

OK Jack
Now that the DNA is in, we ( or most of us know) there are three unrelated Womack lines in the US at this time - not to mention the other lines -

Since Abraham's father or grandfather was supposed to have been a brother of one of the Richard's I descend from - how do we reconcile the fact they were not related at all?? Or so distantly as to prove nothingness??

Dang!! I wish we could get some of those males in the UK to do the DNA thing, at least we might figger which region we came from!!

Sam


Friday, February 04, 2005 at 16:18:34 (PST)
Jack Womack
jackwomack@grandecom.net

Sam
I can say for sure that Thomas 1743 was my 4th great, DNA proves that MMRCA was in 1750, this being Abraham 1708. From his parents Thomas Sr.1672 and Mary Farley as their wills prove. From Thomas Sr.'s father Abraham 1644, again will and deeds. Abraham 1644 is reputed to be one of the five sons of the mythical William the Immigrant. I have no proof of that fact , nor does any one else.
During the Blanton testing there was a more distant relation with the Blanton DNA several generations back (before 1600). We know the Blantons came from Eastern European Region, British I think. What has made the trail so confusing is that I have had to study thousands of documents on the Blanton surname.
Regardless this is what is my line as best I can prove it.
Abraham 1644
Thomas Sr. 1672
Abraham 1708
Thomas 1743
William 1773
William Big Billy 1812
Solomon 1837
Francis Pinckney 1861
James Frank 1902
Jack Frank Me
I have conclusive documentation that this is in fact a true descendency. There is more to be had I'm sure and anyone with additional info please contact me.

OK If they were five brothers and they were all the sons of William one, then the lineage of the other siblings would have some mutation from my DNA which is natural. Let's say your Alexander and Abe 1708 were cousins as you once said you thought they were. I could not determine where or when the mutation occured in the DNA. Only an in depth study by an trained anlayst who has the lineage of those involved can answer questions like that.
Some consideration has to be given to adoptions and non parent eventsas well as mutations in the DNA.
I trust that Relative Genetics has done a good job on my 37 marker test that is more than the 26 marker test in my initial testing that proved the Blanton Womack connection that led to the unearthing of Thomas parents.


Friday, February 04, 2005 at 21:02:16 (PST)
Carol Hinte
rustynails1@bigpond.com

I am seeking any information on my Grandfathers family, he was Joseph Glover Womack born 1896 in Liverpool Uk..son of Arthur and Mary He together with his sister were both sent to Canada I think before 1900.
He later returned to Liverpool before the 1st WWar but his sister we think stayed in Canada and had a child. We do not know if she married.
I would greatly appreciate any help


Saturday, February 05, 2005 at 08:33:39 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee @ msn.com

Jack
Roger states he descends from Abe-1644 as you do - yet the DNA matches mine and is quite different from yours - mutation? I really would like to have someone clarify what a mutation is -- how it occurs, etc -

However, hypothetical speaking - as I understand it, Ann Blanton was quite a rounder - and she had those two sons by someone -- and Abe-1708 got the blame?
Hence Womack enters the Blanton realm - and in essence they were both really
Blantons? That might explain the Blanton connection before 1600 you mentioned.

I am not doubting your research all, believe me I would be the last to do that - but something is still amiss if your Abe-1644 and my Richard-1655 were really brothers..for there to be that much difference, the mutation had to have occurred after Abe-1644 - how big of a mutation, after Abe-1644, could throw it off that much?

Question - Did Thomas and Mary Farley Womack have two sons named Abraham, born about 14 years apart??? I would appreciate your e mailing me your breakdown of their children -
thanks Sam



Saturday, February 05, 2005 at 10:55:43 (PST)
DERRELL
dsrobinson2@cox.net

ATTN: Carol

Name: Womack, Joseph Glover
Record Type: Births
Quarter: September
Year: 1896
District: Toxteth Park
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 248 (click to see others on page)

Name: Womack, Joseph Glover J
Record Type: Deaths
Age at death: 5
Quarter: March
Year: 1890
District: Toxteth Park
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 228 (click to see others on page)


Saturday, February 05, 2005 at 13:45:45 (PST)
Barbara
azbarbsmith@cox.net

Looking for information on Melvin Eugene Womack family:wife Lillie Mae (Humphreys)Married, Aug 25, 1898 in Wilkinson co., MS. and their 4 children; Robert, Melvin ray, Anna May and Eugenia. All born in Mississippi; Hope to hear from someone??


Monday, February 07, 2005 at 17:03:33 (PST)
Pearlie Elizabeth (Womack) Boyd
boyddog@aol.com

my fathers father was robert earl womack sr. i am very sure that he was born in mosourri. my fathers mother was calie vasaline mccalister. my father was robert earl womack jr. also from mosourri. they later relocated to oklahoma then to califonia. i had uncels, bill,kirt and more but can't remember there names. i had an aunt betty and jounita. my dad married my mother in okla. her home state, her name was alice lorene (padgett)womack. i8f any of this rings a bell please drop me a line.


Monday, February 07, 2005 at 23:28:46 (PST)
Beth
bhowser1@alltel.net

I wonder if this one is using a computer in the institution at Texarkana also?!!!


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Thursday, February 10, 2005 at 06:25:07 (PST)
Roger Womack
wgnwebmaster@womacknet.com

November messages have been moved to the archives.


Friday, February 11, 2005 at 08:48:00 (PST)
Beth
bhowser@alltel.net

Some time ago I read on the web where Elizabeth Dortch of the Dortch family, who owned Marlsgate Plantation in Scott, AR (near Little Rock) was a Womack. This home is on the National Historical Register and is a very popular place for weddings, etc. in central Arkansas. This is of special interest to me because I was married there. The plantation was owned by her son, William Pinkney Dortch. While researching the Womacks of AR, I found this query in the Archives:

"Thursday, September 09, 1999 at 18:18:22 (PDT)
JOHN F ELLIOTT
PEDRO4@FUTURA.NET

HAVE RECENTLY DISCOVERED UNKNOWN WOMACK FAMILY GRAVE SITE,CHARLES V WOMACK BORN JULY 25,1801 HALLIFAX COUNTY VA. DIED APR 25, 1868 ENGLAND AR AND OTHERS"


Annette Womack Carpenter has Charles W. Womack, son of Byrd Womack and Rebecca Haskins, with the same birth and death dates. This Charles W. Womack m. Elizabeth Hale, and is not to be confused with the Charles W. Womack, who also m. Elizabeth Hale, son of Michael Womack and Sarah Jones. I found Charles, son of Byrd, and his mother, Rebecca, on the 1850 Williamson Co., TN census. Apparently her name on the census records has been transcribed as Reuben, but Reuben is 65, female, born in VA. A few lines away, there's a Joseph Warmack, b. 1831 TN. I found Charles, son of Byrd, on the 1860 Prairie Co., AR census (no wife, just an overseer of his property). The census shows he's 55, b. VA, and is a physician. Also on the 1860 in Prairie Co., there's a J. C. Wamock, b. 1834 NC. This is possibly Joseph.

In Annette's research, Byrd and Rebecca also had a daughter, Elizabeth John Womack, who married 1st John H. Stone, 2nd Willis Reeves. Her second husband was actually Willis Reeves Dortch. She is on the 1860 census in Pulaski Co., AR as a widow. And she is the Elizabeth Womack Dortch of Marlsgate Plantation. Willis Dortch died before the 1860 census.

Judith Womack, also the dau. of Byrd and Rebecca, m. Neahmiah Beasley. Judith Womack and Neahmiah Beasley's dau. Rebecca H. Beasley d. in Austin, Lonoke, Co., AR.

So I'm on the right track. I'm gonna check out the "other Womacks" in the England Cemetery. If anyone would like to have the information for their data base, please let me know.

The confusing part of the Womacks in Prairie/Lonoke Cos., AR is Ira Byrd and Mansel Green Womack, both b. Simpson Co., MS, and sons of David and Mildred Womack. died in Austin, (Lonoke Co.) AR, 1862 and 1863 respectively......per one researcher. I have not looked for them on the 1860 census. Does anyone have anything different on Ira Byrd and Mansel Green?

Lonoke Co., AR was cut from parts of Prairie and Pulaski Cos. after 1860.


Sunday, February 13, 2005 at 13:16:50 (PST)
Nell Stewart
tonell@hot.rr.com

We are looking for information on a Ella Geneva Womack who married a Charles T. Stewart in Paris, Lamar County, Texas in 1884. She was the daughter of Wm .Womack and Ann S. Hunt according to a famiy group sheet I found on Rootsweb.
They had a son named Preston W. Stewart who was a linotype operator. They lived in Leonard Texas in 1900-1910 where they owned a millinery shop. In the 1900 census, they are shown living next to a Wm. T. Womack (age 50, b. in Alabama) and his mother (Sarah, b.1827 in Georgia) and an Aunt, Francis A. (b. 1830 , age 70, b. in Georgia. In 1920 Ella and her son are living Colorado Springs Colo. I find Charles T. Ella, and Preston in the Evergreen Cemetery in Colo Spgs. We need to know if any one knows of this family , especially the Charles T. Stewart who we believe to be my husband's Great Grandfather. If anyone knows anything about this family and especially the middle name of Charles, please let us know.


Monday, February 14, 2005 at 04:12:17 (PST)
DERRELL
dsrobinson2@cox.net

Name: Ella Geneva WOMACK
Given Name: Ella Geneva
Surname: Womack
Sex: F
Birth: 11 Jul 1857
Death: 13 Nov 1932
Note: Custom Field:<_FA#> Married to CT Stewart ?

Father: William W. WOMACK b: 19 Apr 1817
Mother: Sarah Elizabeth MEIRS b: Feb 1827


Ahnentafel, Generation No. 1

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1. Ella Geneva WOMACK was born 11 Jul 1857, and died 13 Nov 1932. She was the daughter of 2. William W. WOMACK and 3. Sarah Elizabeth MEIRS.






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Ahnentafel, Generation No. 2

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2. William W. WOMACK was born 19 Apr 1817, and died 12 Mar 1862.


3. Sarah Elizabeth MEIRS was born Feb 1827, and died 10 Dec 1913.

Children of Sarah Elizabeth MEIRS and William W. WOMACK are: i. George Meirs WOMACK was born 21 Jan 1847, and died 10 Aug 1920 in Halesboro, Texas. He married Mary Elizabeth LAND, daughter of Enoch LAND and Sarah Ann WARD. She was born 5 Jun 1863, and died 15 Mar 1947 in Deport, Texas. He married Mary Francis PIERCY. She was born 29 Jul 1853, and died 9 Mar 1879 in Red River County, Texas.
ii. Elizabeth Rebecca WOMACK was born 12 Dec 1848, and died 11 Jun 1851.
iii. William Turner WOMACK was born 19 Mar 1850, and died 11 Mar 1935.
iv. Emily Francis WOMACK was born 19 Jul 1851, and died 15 Feb 1928. She married Thomas Walter HORNE. He was born 11 Feb 1849, and died 20 May 1916.
v. Mary Lewis WOMACK was born 26 Nov 1852, and died 1 Nov 1892. She married J.C. WEAVER.
vi. Eugenia Ophelia WOMACK was born 6 Jun 1854, and died 14 Jul 1918. She married Littleton Fowler PALMER. He was born 26 Oct 1847, and died 19 Mar 1919.
vii. Sarah Elizabeth WOMACK was born 19 Nov 1855.
1. viii. Ella Geneva WOMACK was born 11 Jul 1857, and died 13 Nov 1932.
ix. Laura Josephine WOMACK was born 12 Jan 1859, and died 10 Sep 1863.
x. Yancy Tooms WOMACK was born 7 Jan 1861.




Monday, February 14, 2005 at 04:34:46 (PST)
DERRELL
dsrobinson2@cox.net

Database = Lamar Co., TX Marriage Records
Marriage Record for C. T. Stewart
Spouse: Ella G. Womack
Date: 5 Oct 1884
B/G: Groom
County and State: Lamar Co. TX


Monday, February 14, 2005 at 09:26:44 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee@msn.com

Derrell
Thanks for posting that info on William and Sarah - you will not I have her last name spelled Meyers, and have a full date of birth -- Thought you might like a little addition to that one :

Ancestors of Yancy T Jr Womack
Generation No. 1

1. Yancy T Jr Womack, born Sep 10, 1902 in OK; died Jun 19, 1966 in Orange Co, CA. He was the son of 2. Yancy Toombs Womack and 3. Martha L Kerr.

Generation No. 2

2. Yancy Toombs Womack, born Jan 07, 1861 in LA; died Mar 02, 1928 in Phoenix, Maricopa, AZ. He was the son of 4. William 44 Womack and 5. Sarah Elizabeth Meyers. He married 3. Martha L Kerr Abt. 1884 in TX.
3. Martha L Kerr, born Abt. 1867 in AR.

Children of Yancy Womack and Martha Kerr are:
i. Anna D Womack, born Abt. 1890 in TX.
ii. Ruth T Womack, born Abt. 1892 in TX.
iii. Marie K Womack, born Abt. 1894 in TX.
iv. John W 5 Womack, born Abt. 1895 in TX.
v. James P Womack, born Abt. 1897 in TX.
vi. Lucy L Womack, born Abt. 1901 in OK.
1 vii. Yancy T Jr Womack, born Sep 10, 1902 in OK; died Jun 19, 1966 in Orange Co, CA.
viii. Jesse K Womack, born Abt. 1905 in MX.
ix. Dulce S Womack, born Abt. 1908 in TX.


Generation No. 3

4. William 44 Womack, born Apr 19, 1817 in Poweltom, Hancock, GA; died Mar 18, 1862. He married 5. Sarah Elizabeth Meyers.
5. Sarah Elizabeth Meyers, born Feb 28, 1827 in GA; died Dec 10, 1913 in Reilly Springs TX.

Children of William Womack and Sarah Meyers are:
i. Mary 26 Womack, born Abt. 1855 in LA.
ii. Sarah "Sallie" Elizabeth Womack, born Nov 19, 1855 in Claiborne Parish LA; died Nov 13, 1932 in TX.
iii. Ophelia Womack, born Abt. 1856 in LA.
iv. Ella Geneva Womack, born Jul 11, 1857 in LA; died Nov 13, 1932; married Charles T Stewart Oct 05, 1884 in Lamar Co TX.
2 v. Yancy Toombs Womack, born Jan 07, 1861 in LA; died Mar 02, 1928 in Phoenix, Maricopa, AZ; married Martha L Kerr Abt. 1884 in TX.

I will correct my records with the dates of birth, etc you have


Monday, February 14, 2005 at 12:56:47 (PST)
Sandi Phillips
sphillips@tucsonairport.org

Hi Sam and Derrell

William W. Womack (DOB Apr 19, 1817, died March 2, 1862, he first married Ann S. Hunt (DOB unk) died Sept 11, 1844; he then married Sarah Elizabeth Meirs (DOB Feb 28, 1827, died Dec 10, 1913. Yancy Toombs Womack was brother to my gggrandfather George Meirs Womack. I'm pretty sure the name is spelled "Meirs". I don't have the rest of my records in front of me, but in records that Wendy Fogelstrom has sent me - we agree on these dates and name spellings.

Sandi


Monday, February 14, 2005 at 18:37:33 (PST)
Wendy Fogelstrom
fogietoo@hotmail.com

Nell,
Ella Geneva Womack was my ggrandfathers (Yancey T. Womack) sis- In my records I have Ella's husband as Charles Thomas Stewart.



Monday, February 14, 2005 at 20:50:52 (PST)
Sam
sammers

Say All Y'all Others

See whut hoppens when some of us get on a roll??

By the way Sandi - I sent you an E mail after we met at San Xavier, you didnt respond - tsk tsk tsk....

By the way if anyone wants Yancy's death certificate can supply way to get for freebie....


Tuesday, February 15, 2005 at 04:50:02 (PST)
Sandi Phillips
sphillips@tucsonairport.org

Hello Sam

But I did answer your e-mail - and even sent you the information I had on my line from William W. Womack down through my own children - you did not respond to my e-mail, so I figured you probably had most of that information already. I really enjoy reading this site though - and I thank you again for turning my direction to it. I have corresponded with Wendy and she was a big help with my line (as we come from the same line..hehe). I stay pretty busy with work and the MOOSE so I don't have much time to work with geneology - my niece-in-law does a lot of research with LDS and has traced a lot of my mother's family on the Eldred side if anyone is interested in that. Also have Scaman from my mother's side. Womack is my dad's family and Jacobs, but I don't have much on that part. Talk at ya later, maybe we'll get together up in Arizona City....Sandi


Tuesday, February 15, 2005 at 09:15:25 (PST)
Beth
bhowser@alltel.net

Let's see if we can go back one more generation on William W. Womack, b. 19 Apr 1817. This only my theory; please correct me or give us your opinion! Here's the 1820 Hancock Co., GA Census:

GA Hancock, Coopers - Captain Fannen's Company, roll 7
101 (007) Line 32
Wamack William (This one has me stumped. Possibly William and Jesse, sons
2 males 15-44 of Abraham and 2nd wife Martha Watkins)
1 female over 45
3 males 0-9
1 female 0-9

101 (007) Line 43
Wamack Wyley (This could be Willie Wyley, son of Sherwood & Nancy Ann Rogers.
1 male 16-25 Maybe his name was William Wylie Womack)
1 female 16-25 (This could be Emily Byrom - m. Wyley 15 Dec 1818 Hancock Co GA)
1 male 0-9 (Possibly William W. Womack....William Wyley Womack, Jr.)

Annette Carpenter Womack has Wyley/Wiley and Emily Byrom Womack's children as:
1 Wiley Willie WOMACK b: ABT 1790
+ Amelia JOHNSON
+ Emily BYROM b: ABT 1800
2 Martha WOMACK
2 James S. WOMACK
2 Willie WOMACK (This is the one I think is William W. Womack)
2 WOMACK
+ NEWSON
2 WOMACK
+ FITZPATRICK

GA Hancock, Coopers - Captain Gilbert's Company, roll 7
103 (007) Line 30
Wamack Ann (Possibly Nancy Ann Rogers, widow of Sherwood Womack, son of Abraham Womack and Martha Mitchell. Sherwood d. 1819 Hancock Co., GA)
1 female 26-44
1 male 16-25
2 females 16-25
3 females 10-15
2 males 0-9
2 females 0-9

According to a post by Wendy, William W. Womack lived with Otis Smith and attended the Powellton Academy. Annette Womack's research has Otis Smith m. Martha M. "Patsy" Womack 11 Dec 1827 Hancock Co., GA, dau. of Sherwood Womack and Nancy Ann Rogers. So Martha Womack Smith was the sister of Wyley Womack and aunt of William W. Womack. One thing to consider: William W. Womack was born 19 Apr 1817 and Wyley Womack and Emily Byrom married 15 Dec 1818. Oh well, it's happened before!

What do you all think?


Tuesday, February 15, 2005 at 19:34:27 (PST)
Royce W. Gibson
royce gibson at frontiernet.net
www.frontiernet.net/~roycegibson

Hi Beth, Sam, et.al.

Just reading through the last few postings and was intrigued by the name Geneva.

My grandfather's favorite cousin (actually 1st cousing once removed) was name Geneva Womack . Her father was Earl Womack whose father was John Everette whose father was Jordan Henry. Earl had a sister Jo Ella. They all lived in Logan and Franklin counties of Arkansas till they died. However, when John Ev was young he lived with his family in Lamar County Texas. (1880 census)

My Grandfather (Lester) and Earl were actually double cousins as their fathers had married McInturff sisters in Arkansas. Jo Ella married Oscar Leo Cauthron and Geneva married Otha Hammond. Geneva just passed away in 2002.

All of that to ask if there is some connection to the William Womack in Lamar co. and Jordan Henry - and these naming conventions?


Wednesday, February 16, 2005 at 04:43:50 (PST)
Beth
bhowser@alltel.net

I completely missed this, which blows my previous theory. I hope someone will check Carlos's book for William, son of Abraham.

In the excerpt from Carlos Womack's book posted by Derrell:

131,22 Abraham & Martha Womack (son of Richard, III & Nancy Ann Childers)

(Note from Beth: Children of Abraham and Martha Mitchell)

1 Sherwood b 1764 m Ann (Nancy) Rogers
2 Lucretia b 1766 m Mr Howard
3 David b 1768 m ____________
4 Mansel b 1770 m (1) Sarah Rogers (2nd) in Guilford Co NC mary Mariah Lewis b 1773 d 1855 Sarah was dau of Col Brett Rogers (Georgia and Butler Co Ala
5 Nancy d prior to 1829 in GA m William Stone
6 Cicely m 22 Jan 1787 James harris McFarland Caswell Co NC then moved to Georgia
7 Susannah b 1776 m 1796 Clement Glen Greene Co GA
8 Mary m Francis Coleman land Green Co GA
9 John died prior to 1840 m ca 1805 Sarah Lewis (sister to Mary Mariah lived in Warren and Wilkes Co GA 1805/1806

(Note from Beth: Children of Abraham and Martha Watkins)

10 Elizabeth b 1785 in Georgia d 1853 Greene Co Ala m (1st) 1800 Benjamin Stephen Coleman m (2nd) 1815 Thomas H Langhan Sr m (3rd) Enoch Stringfellow
11 Sarah A
12 Lucy
13 William G m 1839 Monroe Co GA Ann S Hunt <- <- <-
14 Jesse C m 19 April 1839

1840 Census
GA Monroe, 554 Dist, roll 47
185 4 Wammock W W
1 Male, age 20-29 (William W.)
1 Female, age 15-19 (Ann S. Hunt)
1 Male, age 0-4 (They must have had a son before Cicero)

1850 Census
AL Coosa, Coosa, roll 4
Page 22A, House 293
18 Womacke William 33 M W Teacher 0 GA
19 Womacke Edward 23 F W GA (This should be Elizabeth )
20 Womacke Cicero 7 M W GA
21 Womacke George 3 M W GA
22 Womacke Elizabeth 1 F W AL
23 Womacke William T 1m M W AL

Per Virginia's research, Ann Hunt and William also had Delila Celeta WOMACK b: 4 Feb 1841, d. 9 Sep 1844


Wednesday, February 16, 2005 at 15:32:29 (PST)
Wendy Fogelstrom
fogietoo@hotmail.com

I don't think William W. who married Ann S. Hunt could be Abrahams son, as he died I believe around 1797 and William was born in 1817-


Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 17:37:13 (PST)
Ann McDonald
quiltdog@yahoo.com

Beth, not exactly. As far as I'm concerned, Carlos' info on the 2 younger boysis simply incorrect. My own guess is that in 1820, that's Sherwood's son and Sherwood's 1/2 brother. Sherwood having passed away. Very soon after, most of Sherwood's family moves, and I lose the other William altogether. Jesse, OTOH I have no clue about.

I've been ill, so haven't done much more than review my files recently. But basically, I've been working on tracking down the primary documents on Abraham's family and back to Richard III's. BTW, if anyone
HAS any of those primary docs, or source citations that link the family up, give me a yell.

Let me go over to my big computer that has the files later and I'll find the stuff on who went where, because I've got a whole bunch of stuff on Sherwood's family that just isn't coming to mind.

Ann


Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 17:50:10 (PST)
Ann McDonald
quiltdog@yahoo.com
womackhunter.homestead.com

Shows you how out of it I've been, most of that info on the 2 Williams is over on my own website.


Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 11:15:24 (PST)
Sandra Myers Bellflower
sfmbellflower@yahoo.com

My Ggrandfather was Thomas Houston Womack, born 1856, Coffee County, Tennessee. He married Martha Blackburn in 1878. Does anyone know what his occupation was? I know he died in Coffee County, what cemetery? Thank you in advance for your information.


Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 11:16:16 (PST)
Sandra Myers Bellflower
sfmbellflower@yahoo.com

My Ggrandfather was Thomas Houston Womack, born 1856, Coffee County, Tennessee. He married Martha Blackburn in 1878. Does anyone know what his occupation was? I know he died in Coffee County, what cemetery? Thank you in advance for your information.


Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 14:12:02 (PST)
DERRELL
dsrobinson2@cox.net

ATTN: Sandra Martha's nickname was Mattie as seen here in the 1880 Census
I didn't find Thomas's grave.

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace
Thomas H. WOMACK Self M Male W 23 TN Farmer TN TN
Mattie WOMACK Wife M Female W 17 TN Keeping House TN TN
Arthur WOMACK Son S Male W 1 TN At Home TN TN


Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 14:19:01 (PST)
DERRELL
dsrobinson2@cox.net

ATTN: Sandra
Around 1908 Thomas H Womack married Roxie A Unknown
I found this on the 1920 Census


Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 14:42:30 (PST)
Sandra Myers Bellflower
sfmbellflower@yahoo.com

Thanks for the information. I am at a loss to find his grave. I have visited his Fathers grave (Francis Marion Womack) his Grandfathers grave (Isham Rice Womack) and his son, (Porter, my Grandfather) Guess he is buried with Mattie or Roxie.


Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 23:40:12 (PST)
DERRELL
dsrobinson2@cox.net

ATTN: Sandra
Individual Record FamilySearch? Pedigree Resource File

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Thomas Price Huston Womack Compact Disc #12 Pin #153804
Sex: M

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Event(s):
Birth: 24 Oct 1856 Place:
Death: 4 Nov 1935 Place:

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Parents:
Father: Francis Marion Womack Disc #12 Pin #153801
Mother: Martha J. Thomas Disc #12 Pin #153800

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Marriage(s):
Spouse: Mattie Elizabeth Blackburn Disc #12 Pin #153807

Marriage: 27 Jan 1878 Place:


Spouse: Roxanne Green Disc #12 Pin #153808

Marriage: Place:



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Notes and Sources:
Notes: None
Sources: None

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Submitter:
Mr. Jody Dee JONES
2619 Newgate Ct. Fort Collins, CO 80525-9006


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Submission Search: 27940-0331100103241
URL:
CD-ROM: Pedigree Resource File - Compact Disc #12
CD-ROM Features: Pedigree View, Family View, Individual View, Reports, Downloadable GEDCOM files, Notes and Sources.
Order Pedigree Resource File CD-ROMS


Monday, February 21, 2005 at 05:29:20 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee @ msn.com

A cuz sent me these and I think they are good!!

Found! Ancient Rules for Ancestors!
And they were SO good at following them!

(1). Thou shalt name your male children: James, John, Joseph, Josiah,
Abel, Richard, Thomas, William.

(2) Thou shalt name your female children: Elizabeth, Mary, Martha,
Maria, Sarah, Ida, Virginia, May.

(3) Thou shalt leave NO trace of your female children.

(4) Thou shalt, after naming your children from the above lists, call
them by strange nicknames such as: Ike, Eli, Polly, Dolly,
Sukey.---making them difficult to trace.

(5) Thou shalt NOT use any middle names on any legal documents or census
reports, and only where necessary, you may use only initials on legal
documents.

(6) Thou shalt learn to sign all documents illegibly so that your
surname can be spelled, or misspelled, in various ways: Hicks, Hicks,
Hix, Hixe, Hucks, Kicks or Robinson, Robertson, Robison, Roberson,
Robuson, Robson, Dobson.

(7) Thou shalt, after no more then 3 generations, make sure that all
family records are lost, misplaced, burned in a court house fire, or
buried so that NO future trace of them can be found.

(8) Thou shalt propagate misleading legends, rumors, and vague innuendo
regarding your place origination:

(A) you may have come from : England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales....or
Iran.
(B) you may have American Indian ancestry of the______tribe......
(C) You may have descended from one of three brothers that came over
from______

(9) Thou shalt leave NO cemetery records, or headstones with legible
names.

(10) Thou shalt leave NO family Bible with records of birth, marriages,
or deaths.

(11) Thou shalt ALWAYS flip thy name around. If born James Albert, thou
must make all the rest of thy records in the names of Albert, AJ, JA,AL, Bert, Bart, or Alfred.

(12) Thou must also flip thy parent's names when making reference to
them, although "Unknown" or a blank line is an acceptable alternative.

(13) Thou shalt name at least 5 generations of males and dozens of their
cousins with identical names in order to totally confuse researchers.
Arthur unknown


Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 16:04:48 (PST)
LESLIE BRUMLEY
leslie_brumley@yahoo.com

I was told that I had a great-great-great uncle, aunt and a 3rd cousin that used to live around Wesley Arkansas. I was told the story about how my uncle came home, killed his wife, hung the baby and then shot himself. The family members that told me this are now gone and I am trying to find out about my family. I know that there is a bridge near by that is called TillyWillie Bridge and the hose where they used to live is called TillyWillie House but I dont know where to look. Any info will be of great help. Thanks


Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 18:12:33 (PST)
Dale W Daley
ddaley@cswnet.com

Leslie, I got several hits on Google regarding Tilly Willy Bridge. It is located just southeast of Hwy 156 near Drake Field which is the Fayetteville, AR municipal airport. It is evidently a low water bridge on a secluded road and there are references to it being haunted.


Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 19:10:39 (PST)
Dale W Daley
ddaley@cswnet.com

Beth, I ran across a website owned by Will Johnson that lists the emigrants out of Lovely County. The list includes our Larkin and several other Womacks. Mr. Johnson was so kind as to give me information regarding Larkin. He is mentioned in two depositions of other Lovely County residents who were proving their entitlement to 320 acres in other areas of Arkansas.

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Dale >>

Larkin is mentioned once as a witness and once as a neighbor. He was a witness on the claim of Thomas S Williams. The deposed was Henry Mahon who said that Williams was about 35 in 1828. The witnesses were Henry Mahon, Larkin Womack and Sampson Gray. This is a large file with much testimony, but the extract only lists Larkin's name once.

Then on the deposition of Garrett M Hensley, Garrett states that his improvement was within half a mile of the Bayou Benard (probably Menard) and that Mrs Gold, Mrs Moore, Mr Carico, Larkin Womack and Mr McLaughlin were his nearest neighbors. Garrett removed to Missouri.

That's it for Larkin.
Will
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Bayou Menard is located near Fort Gibson, OK. It is interesting that Mr. Carico is also mentioned as a neighbor. If you look at the list of emigrants you'll see one "James Q Carrier". I think this probably should be James Quincy Carrico who married Matilda Weaver, daughter of Elijah Weaver and Fanny Womack. If that is so then we have another indication that Fanny and Larkin were very closely related. If they were siblings, James Q Carrico would have been Larkin's nephew. If she was his mother or daughter then Carrico would be even more closely related. I need to look at their ages to see if that could be possible since Maretta Nearing said that Fanny's father was named Larkin.

BTW, Bayou Menard is named for a Menard, the name of a French family of Kaskaskia, prominently connected with the early fur trade in the West.
Interesting, Kaskaskia is where the Bennett Ballew took his wife Frances James. Remember their daughter Agnes married John Walter Basye and their daughter, Fanny married Larkin Womack.

Also, GNIS lists two Upper Townships in Arkansas. One in Crawford county and one in Sebastian County. The one in Sebastion is in the same area where Larkin's 320 arces were located and it would have been in Crawford County until Sebastian was created in 1851. I think he resided there from 1828 when he was removed from Lovely County until he went to Panola County, TX sometime after our James' birth. Given that, it is probable that James was born at that near Fort Smith. Have you located his property?


Wednesday, February 23, 2005 at 16:16:57 (PST)
Sandra Bellflower
sfmbellflower@yahoo.com

Since you all are being so helpful. My Porter E. Womack (son of Thomas Houston Womack) does anyone know what the "E" stands for?
It is so interesting and soothing to vist their old home place.(land)
As always thank you.


Thursday, February 24, 2005 at 09:24:13 (PST)
Sam
samsawadee @ msn.com

Sandra
Please add some dates and places for Porter and Thomas - thanks


Thursday, February 24, 2005 at 11:58:59 (PST)
Royce W. Gibson
royce gibson at frontiernet.net

Fort Smith is my hometown - so I thought I'd chime in on the Larkin Womack conversation.
The original part of Fort Smith was called Upper Township in Sebastian County - it was also called that when it was part of Crawford county. That maybe because downriver a bit is Van Buren in Crawford County - there was a ferry that the Butterfield stage used to cross the river from Van Buren to Fort Smith. Today Fort Smith includes the townships of Marion, Bass, Rogers, Sulpher and Massard. The actual "fort" of Fort Smith sits at the junction of the Arkansas and Poteau Rivers - and the Oklahoma/Ark border.
Sebastian County also has two county seats - the upper county (basically Ft. Smith) in Fort Smith and the "lower" county in Greenwood. Not sure what kind of records are available , I do remember that the Greenwood courthouse was completely destroyed by a tornado in the 1960's.


Thursday, February 24, 2005 at 17:57:36 (PST)
Beth
bhowser@alltel.net

I've done a chronological abstract on Larkin Womack, son of David Womack and Unknown mother, grandson of Maj. Jacob Womack. This is my only my theory on his father. I've added records to substantiate the theory. Later, I'll start with Maj. Jacob's records and include all of his (proposed) children.

Larkin Womack, b. 5 Oct 1785 (probably Pendleton Co., SC), d. Nov 1849 Panola Co., TX, buried in Boggy Creek Baptist Church Cemetery, Bethany, TX/LA on the Texas side of the cemetery.

TN Tax Lists - From Robert Burke's Web Page

Grainger Co, TN - 1799 - David Womack, Johnston Womack
Jackson Co, TN - 1802 - David Wamack, John Wamack
White Co, TN - 1811 - David Womack, Jesse Wammock, John Wammock

Jackson Co, TN was adjacent to White Co, TN until 1842 when Putnam Co, TN was formed. David and Johnston Womack apparently moved from Grainger Co, TN to Jackson Co, TN, and thence to White Co, TN. By 1816, they had moved to Lawrence Co, AR (which was then part of Missouri Territory).

1812 Jackson Co., TN
(28/85/9649) 1812 Dec 11 William RIDGE 30 acres on Mine Creek to include improvement made by Hubbard BREWER; Larkin WOMACK, Loc (Neighborhood)

1815 Jackson Co., TN
(30/9/14535) 1815 Feb 18 William RIDGE 6 acres waters of Indian Creek adjoining David WOMACK's field to include WOMACK's improvement (David Womack, son of Maj. Jacob)

1815 Jackson Co., TN
(30/9/14534) 1815 Feb 18 William RIDGE 12 acres waters of Mine Lick Creek to include improvement where SALLY WOMACK used to live.
(Sally Womack - Sarah Johnson Womack)

1813 Smith Co., TN
SMITH CO., TN John Lancaster - Will Book B, Page 106
Inventory of the Estate of John Lancaster, deceased was returned into court and duly recorded in March term of 1813.

Buyers were: (Excerpt of Buyers)
Larkin Wamack $6.76
John Wamack $17.77
Johnson Wamack $13.50

Robert Lancaster, Administrator
Account of sale was returned into court and duly recorded this May term of 1814

1814 White Co., TN - Tennessee Land Grants
Wormack, Larkin 1814, 13a, G Dist, bk I, p 219, g#6189
Warmack, Larkin 1814, 13a, G Dist, bk 5, p 32, g#6189

Wormack, David 1814, 10a, G Dist, bk I, p 220, g#6414
Womack, David 1814, 10a, MTN Dist, bk 5, p 27, g#6414

1815 - Marriage
Larkin Womack m. Frances Basye Womack, dau. of John Walter Basye and Agnes Ballew. She was the widow of Jonas Quick, son of Benjamin Quick and Lydia Lovett.

1816 - The first child of Larkin Womack and Frances Basye Quick was born in MO. I believe this to be Lawrence Co., AR, Territory of Missouri:

1. John2 N. Womack (Larkin1) was born 15 Feb 1816 in MO; died 1891.


GOODSPEEDs Centennial History of AR indicates that the father of some of the
Womacks that went to AR was Jacob Womack, who fought in the Revolutionary
War.

1816 Tax List of Lawrence Co., AR - Excerpt
WOMACK, David
WOMACK, Jesse
WOMACK, John
WOMACK, John (A second listing of the same name)
WOMACK, Johnson


1822 Morrilton, Conway Co., AR - from Roger Womack's Web Page
Pioneers and Makers of Arkansas


"This old soldier came from Virginia to the Arkansas region in 1817, and was well located on the Arkansas river when Nuttal passed up in 1819. He acquired his title as major in the War of 1812, and was one of the most vigorous citizens of the old Pecannerie region. In a trip to the southwestern part of the State lassoing wild horses in 1822 he was killed by the Indians. This is one report; in another report it was noted tha the escaped, and in still another that he was killed and scalped by the Indians. I am not able to say which report is correct, but his prominence was sufficient to give his name to a township in the county, the thriving town of Morrilton, I believe, being its center. Major Welborn and General Lewis were firm friends and contributed much to the respectability and power of this old settlement. It was then a part of Pulaski County, and the most prominent citizens of the settlement, in 1822, other than Welborn and Lewis, were Thomas White, John Hibbin, Timothy Harris, William Frazier, William Lackey, Jacob Slinkard, James Titsworth, Thomas Hibbin, George Bentley, Adustin Rogers,George Carden, John Belcher, Larkin Womack and Samuel McCall."

Does anyone have a clue about this Major ? the book is referring to?


1828 Crawford County, Arkansas Tax List

Horsehead Township
ALLARD, MARY - ***Mary Burleson Allard, widow of David Allard. Their son, Aaron Hardin Allard, m. Mary "Polly" Weaver, dau. of Elijah David Weaver and Fannie Womack

Upper Township
WAMACK, LARKIN
WEAVER, BENJAMIN ***

***Note to Dale Daley: the Fannie Womack/Elijah David Weaver/Larkin Womack connection

1833 Probably Indian Territory/OK or Sebastian Co., AR - Excerpt
Certificate #111; Claim #297: Thomas S. Williams
Land office, Little Rock, Feby 5th 1833
"....That he settled in Lovely County about ten miles below the mouth of Salisaw [sic] Creek in the year 1827........
.....Compiler’s note:
Witnesses were Henry Mahon, Larkin Womack, and Sampson Gray.
There is much testimony in this file, lasting several years. It appears that the certificate was not issued until 1838."

1837 - Bayou Bernard - Indian Territory/OK or Sebastian Co., AR - Excerpt
Certificate #112; Claim #18: Garrett M. Hensley
Land Office at Fayetteville
19th June 1837
"........and that his improvement was situated within half a mile of the Bayou Benard [sic] and that Mrs. Gold, Mrs. Moore [Mr.] Carico, Larkin Womack and Mr. McLaughlin were his nearest neighbours [sic], ......"

Note: Bayou Bernard was the site of a CW skirmish. bh

Somewhere I have the Womacks in Lovely Co., AR and I think Larkin is included. Derrell, will you please see if you have that information? Thanks! Cuz Beth

I think it will be interesting to take a look at the last two land certificates. Larkin must have been deposed for Certificate #111.


Saturday, February 26, 2005 at 10:47:03 (PST)
Sherrill Berger
sherrilliona@hotmail.com

There is a "Womack Cemetery" listed in Butler County, Alabama. Is there a listing of who is buried there?


Saturday, February 26, 2005 at 18:56:04 (PST)
Sandra Bellflower
sfmbellflower@yahoo.com

Porter E. Womack was born 1881 Coffee Co. Tennessee. Died 1914 Polk Co.Arkansas. Thomas Houston Womack born & died Coffee Co. Tennessee 1856-1938, Sorry about that.


Sunday, February 27, 2005 at 01:29:22 (PST)
DERRELL
dsrobinson2@cox.net

I'll check this week Beth

your cuz


Monday, February 28, 2005 at 03:38:49 (PST)
Dale W Daley
ddaley@cswnet.com

According to Mr. Will Johnson's compilation of names from the BLM, these are the Womacks who recieved property in other parts of Arkansas because of their removal from Lovely County. His website contains an extensive listing of others also removed. Many of those were subsequently on the 1830 census in Crawford County, I assume awaiting the finalization of their claims.

WOMACK, JOHN AR Chicot
WOMACK, JOHNSON AR Chico
WOMACK, LARKIN AR Sebastian
WOMACK, PLEASANT AR Desha
WOMMACK, WILLIAM AR Jefferson

It would be helpful to know if other Lovely County Womacks were in the same area as Larkin. Does anybody have access to a copy of "Settlers of Lovely and Miller County, Arkansas Territory" published by Picton Press containing depositions of the claimants? It sounds like it would be a very interesting read and I hope to pick up a copy soon.



Monday, February 28, 2005 at 14:34:44 (PST)
DERRELL
dsrobinson2@cox.net

ATTN: Dale

I have access to that book it is at the local library here

ATTN: Beth

What Dale found is all I found also so go off his post cuz but I'll try to keep checking for stuff on Lovely County and have my library here to put it on order if I find anything


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