May 2004 Message Archive
Saturday, May 01, 2004 at 21:23:09 (PDT)
Dick L. Womack

Nathan Turner Womack and Ellen Elizabeth Wingo married Sept. 18, 1880 in Prentiss County, Mississippi--I am searching for any info. on this Ellen Elizabeth Wingo. They were my grandparents. My family never knew much about the Wingo's--Any help I Thank You For--Dick Womack


Sunday, May 02, 2004 at 08:12:02 (PDT)

This may well be what you are looking for - couldnt find anything on the father of James -- and the two 18 year olds could be twins - but one says father born TN, the other says father born AL - Now, unless he had a first wife that died and he remarried right away because of youmg son; and if Shewas born by Dec 1862; that could be possible --
Anyway for what it is worth - here it is 1880 census, Prentiss MS

James C. WINGO Self M Male W 52 AL Farm Laborer VA VA
Caroline WINGO Wife M Female W 38 TN Keeping House VA VA
James WINGO Son S Male W 18 TN At Home TN TN
Ellen E. WINGO Dau S Female W 18 MS At Home AL TN
John L. WINGO Son S Male W 14 MS At Home AL TN
Robb H. WINGO Son S Male W 12 MS At Home AL TN
Nancy J. WINGO Dau S Female W 10 MS At Home AL TN
Thomas N. WINGO Son S Male W 8 MS At Home AL TN
Enoch C. WINGO Son S Male W 6 MS At Home AL TN
George H. WINGO Son S Male W 4 MS At Home AL TN
Charles W. WINGO Son S Male W 2 MS At Home AL TN


Monday, May 03, 2004 at 12:39:09 (PDT)
Mary Jo Hanon

I have been browsing through your mesages but can find nothing about one of my ancestors Elizabeth Womack born 1774 in Campbell Co. Va. She married Jeremiah Mc Kinney and moved to Wilson Co. Tenn. She was the daughter of Richard and Rachel Womack. By the way does anyone know Rachel's last name? Am delighed to find that the info that I had on the Womack family seems to agree with the message info that I have found on your site.


Monday, May 03, 2004 at 18:43:28 (PDT)




Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 04:48:43 (PDT)

Mary Jo

Dont have Rachels last name either; but:

Richard Womack/Mary Puckett
Richard Womack/Elizabeth Puckett
Alexander Womack/Martha ?
Richard Womack/Rachel ?
Elizabeth Womack/Jeremiah McKinney

Alex was my 6th great grandfather...


Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 15:13:13 (PDT)
Denise Womack

I am a Womack through marriage. My three children are all Womacks. My ex-husband's name was Jeffrey Womack. His parents were Rutha and James Womack III.
His brother's names are Frank, Frankie, JamesIII, Ronald and Donald. He also had a sister, she is now deseased. Her name was Nancy. The family hardley ever spoke about their father James. My children have met both my parents and his mother. Grandpa JamesIII and Nancy were already deseased when I met him. My children would like to know who? Grandpa James III was, what things did he enjoy doing? What he looked like. I have asked, but I have never seen a picture of him. If anyone knew or still knows this family who now reside in Mississippi. Please contact me via email first. Thanks, D.Womack


Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 15:27:18 (PDT)
Ann McDonald

Ron, sounds about right. Although I think my info on Helen is slightly different. I'll try to check my notes once I get through another big pile of papers that landed on the desk. Ann


Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 01:58:26 (PDT)
melody pruitt

i have been trying to find medical records of lisa marie hinnant who was admitted in east alabama medical center 09-28-1981 thry 10-07-1981. she died oct.23 1981.richard m freeman was her doctor. the hospital said they do not keep records before 1981.i do not know how to get her autopsy report or medical records. the funeral home told me dr. freeman would have them.i also called center for health statiss they said they do not have any records.she was born in atlanta ga. june 13 1981. her fathers name is michael steve hinnant. i heard he took her to blairesville and buried her at union memory gardens.she went to cochran-max funeral home after she died. if anyone can help me find any records of her i would be most grateful.i have to find out what happened to her. i am not sure she really died.


Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 11:30:15 (PDT)
bill m. womack

I am looking for info/descendents of William Wammack(womack) of Centerton, Ark.(1843-1904)

John Alexander
Martha Lee
Asbury Overall
Thomas Ellwood
William Franklin
Richard Isaac
Robert Edwards
Bill Womack

Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 14:41:50 (PDT)
Curtis Womack

I am looking for info on the Womack's in Southwest Mo.


Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 20:03:14 (PDT)

All I got -- unfortunately those that died after 1900 - could only find one on a census - BTW, Alexander was my 7th great.

Richard Womack I and Mary Puckett
Richard Womack II and Elizabeth Ann Puckett
1 Alexander Womack 1710 - 1784
...+Martha 1720 -
...2 Richard Womack 1755 - 1819
......+Rachel 1760 - 1839
......3 Elijah Womack 1794 - 1865
.........+Elizabeth Patterson 1785 - 1854
.........4 Richard Womack 1819 - 1872
............+Matilda Lee Moxley 1804 - 1891
............5 Elijah Bransford Womack 1833 - 1901
...............+Sarah Troutt
............5 William Womack 1843 - 1904
...............+Elizabeth Jane Harrell 1839 - 1917 (On AR Death Index)
...............6 Thomas Ellwood Womack could not find on 1880 census
...............6 William Franklin Womack 1872? - ? )(from 1880 census)
...............6 Richard Isaac Womack 1874 - 1938 (On AR Death Index)
...............6 Robert Edward Womack 1878 - 1880
...............6 John Alexander Womack 1862 - 1865
...............6 Martha Lee Womack 1864 - 1864
...............6 Asbury Overall Womack 1865 - 1936
..................+Verda ? 1862 - ? (fromn 1930 Census)_
...............6 Genettie Adaline Womack 1870 - 1925
...............6 Clerissa Lulu Womack 1876 - 1965

Friday, May 07, 2004 at 19:03:19 (PDT)
Beth Howser

Sam, David, and Roger,

Does anyone know who these families can be?

On the 1840 Fayette Co., TN, there were two Womacks:
Page 113, line 7

TN Fayette, 1 Dist, roll 521
113 7 Wamack David 1000 1001 1000 1

1- white male at least 50 and under 60 (b. 1780 to 1790)
1- white male at least 20 and under 30
1- white male between 0 and under 5
1- white female at least 20 and under 30
1- white female between 0 and under 5

page 123, line 5
123 5 Wamack Jacob 0121 3001 0010 001

1- white male at least 50 and under 60 (b. 1780 to 1790)
3- white males at least 20 and under 30
1- white male at least 15 and under 20
2- white males at least 10 and under 15
1- white male under at least 5 and under 10
1- white female at least 40 and under 50
1- white female at least 10 and under 15

Newton C. Womack, who died in Logan Co., AR was on the 1850 and 1860 Fayette Co., TN census records.



Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 03:09:25 (PDT)
Adebunmi Anthony Aleshinloye
Oyo state,Nigeria

I WOULD LIKE TO RESUME MY RELATIONSHIP WITH ANY OF MY FATHER'S CHILDREN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.My father's name is Prince Ademola Ademola Aleshinloye and his children's names are Muriana[of 749/1847 58 bulwear,w14 hammer-smith london.],Jeroma,Carl[ of 23,russelsquare,E-sussex England as at 1988],Wemimo, and Martins


Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 04:49:57 (PDT)

This is the same Newton of the 1860 census - havent pegged his parents down yet tho

1 Newton C Womack 1810 -
.. +Sarah Watson 1817 -
........ 2 Joseph Womack 1839 -
........ 2 Charles Womack 1841 -
........ 2 Rebecca Womack 1843 -
........ 2 James Andrew Womack 1845 - 1918
............ +Nancy or Edith McKenzie
................... 3 Charles W Womack 1867 - 1926
....................... +Annie
................... 3 William Alexander Womack 1869 - 1028
....................... +Mary Elizabeth Evans
................... 3 Etta Lou Womack 1872 - 1956
....................... +William Washington Long
................... 3 Joseph A Womack 1874 -
....................... +Lizzie
................... 3 Mary Elizabeth "Mollie" Womack 1876 - 1961
....................... +Solomon Houston Long
................... 3 John Henry Womack 1876 - 1956
....................... +Bessie V Weatherly
........ *2nd Wife of James Andrew Womack:
............ +Virgie
................... 3 Mallie Womack 1889 -
....................... +Hurley Ethridge
............................. 4 Gladys Ethridge
................................. +Earl Ashlock
........ *3rd Wife of James Andrew Womack:
............ +Susan S Long 1858 - 1951
................... 3 Alvin Womack 1894 -
................... 3 Annie Womack 1899 -
....................... +Walter J Myers
........ 2 John Womack 1847 -
........ 2 William Womack 1849 -
........ 2 Columbus Womack 1851 -
........ 2 Mary Womack 1853 -
........ 2 Sarah Womack 1855 -
........ 2 Lacy Womack 1857 -
........ 2 Infant Womack 1859 -

Info gathered from IGI, Ancestry and 1860 Census....


Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 15:50:09 (PDT)
Beth Howser

Thanks, Sam. I need a little help on this one!

I have found a little more on Newton C. prior to the 1850 Fayette Co., TN census:

In the Tippah Co., Ms Deed Book D. Vol. 9 #4. P. 83 (I know the first document says Newton E. Womack, but a "C" in cursive could have easily been transcribed as an "E"):

D-15 28 Sep 1840 -- Newton E. Womack indebted to N.S. Price and D.B. Wright, $237.00. Signed: Newton E. (X) Wammock. Wit: Sam'l J. Watson, Joseph Watson. Recorded 5 Oct 1840.

D-212 - 7 June 1841 - William Henderson, Sheriff, to James L. McDonald., Robert McDonald, James McDonald and Edward Deshield, survivors of John G, McDonald, late merchants and partners vs. Newton C. Womack. S/ Wm. Henderson Sheriff. Recorded 7 June 1841, HB.

You'll note that the first document is witnessed by two Watson men., and Newton C.'s wife was Sarah Watson. According to one of Newton C.'s descendants, those were not the names of Sarah's brothers. The 1850 census says his son, Joseph was 11 years old and born in MS, so Newton C. could be the Womack above.

Newton C., is also known by "William" I can't seem to put him with any of the Womacks in Tippah Co., MS.

One of the daughters is Tacy Elizabeth, and her descendants have her b. 10 Feb 1854 TN. She and her husband, Timothy Thomas Harris are buried in Ellsworth Cemetery, Logan Co., AR.

Another descendant said Newton C. might have lived in Lawrence Co., TN prior to coming to AR. Some of Logan Co., was Scott Co. at one time. If I remember right, the Kilburns were in Lawrence Co., TN before Scott Co., AR.

We'll have to get Roger to help us with this one....I found a researcher who has Diltha Sarah Kilburn, b. ca. 1836, dau. of Amos Kilburn, III, married to a Charles Womack. Could he be the Charles Womack, b. 1841, son of Newton C.?

The other thought I had, and again I need clarification on this....could the Elizabeth Womack that Amos Kilburn, III married ca. 1866 be the widow of David Womack who died 1861 Howard Co., AR (son of David Womack and Elizabeth Hawkins)? I believe Amos's first wife died ca. 1866. And is James Wiley Womack, who married Hannah Kilburn, dau. of Amos Kilburn, III, the son of the David Womack who died in 1861 in Howard Co., AR?

If we only knew who the David Womack was on the 1840 Fayette Co., TN census, it might shed some light on all of this.


Sunday, May 09, 2004 at 10:00:44 (PDT)
Roger Womack

I've collected a lot of information on  Newton C. Womack, but have yet to find who the heck he is connected with. Based on naming patterns and locations I've always had a hunch he might be a long lost son of David and Elizabeth, or closely related. But all speculation at this point.


Sunday, May 09, 2004 at 13:33:30 (PDT)

William WOMACK (again shown as William instead of Newton C)
Born: Abt. 1828 Place:
Other records show born about 1810 in TN and if first child,
Joseph born abt 1839, quite an accomplishment methinks for an
approximate 11 and 7 year old couple??
Father: ?
Mother: ?
Wife's Name
Born: Abt. 1832 Place:
Father: ?
Mother: ?
Tacy Elizabeth WOMACK
Born: 10 Feb 1854 Place: Nr Chattanooga, Hamilton, Tn
Died: 28 Mar 1929 Place: Nr Scranton, Logan, Ar
Buried: 29 Mar 1929 Place: Ellsworth Cemetery, , Logan Co., Ar
Spouse: Timothy Thomas HARRIS
Marriage: 2 Dec 1875
Patterson Bluff, Logan, Ar
Born: 27 Apr 1854 Place: Plumerville, Conway, Ar
Died: 14 Nov 1952 Place: Kinta, Haskell, Ok
Buried: Place: Ellsworth Cemetery, , Logan Co., Ar
Married: 2 Dec 1875 Place: Patterson Bluff, Logan, Ar
Father: Elisha Cannon HARRIS
Mother: Sarah Jane WILLIAMS
Me gut feeling is that this fits in with this line:

1 Alexander Womack
...2 David Womack 1765
.....3 Elisha H Womack 1789
.....3 David Womack 1790 (do not have children)
.....3 Michael Womack 1794 (do not have children)
......+Sarah Jones 1795
.....3 Hawkins Womack 1800

.......+Jane Jenny Cooper 1800

Do remember the Watsons and Womacks go way back - see Cherry Grove. Also,
Michael and Sarah had a daughter named Tacey who married Andrew Jackson Hale.
This is somewhere in the ball park, mebbe left field right now, but???


Sunday, May 09, 2004 at 13:35:28 (PDT)

Oops, do have children on Michael dont on the others
solly cholly --


Sunday, May 09, 2004 at 21:06:30 (PDT)
Robert Burke


I can identify Jacob Womack and David Womack in the 1840 Census of Fayette Co, TN.

Jacob was Jacob Pryor Womack (Jacob Pryor > John > Richard > Richard > Richard > William?). In 1830 he had been in Orange Co, NC. In 1850, he was in Harrison Co, TX. See and search for "Jacob Pryor Womack". According to this info, he lived in DeSoto Co, MS, which is just south of Fayette Co, TN. I think he lived near the point where Fayette and Shelby Counties in TN and DeSoto Co, MS all come together. Some of Jacob's kids married in Shelby Co, TN.

David was from a different line altogether. He was the son of Carter Womack (David > Carter > Thomas > William > John > William?). He came from Halifax Co, NC. In 1850, David was in Marshall Co, MS. See which has documentation that David was in Carroll Co, TN and later Fayette Co, TN before moving to MS.

I do not think either was closely related to Newton C Womack who was in Fayette Co, TN in 1850 and 1860 (1850 has him born in TN and 1860 in NC). The following is a marriage record from Lawrence Co, TN: Lovve, Martin A to Forest, Francis (sic) M, 2 Aug 1837, Newton C Womack bondsman. This may be the same Newton. I do not know of any other records which connect Newton to Lawrence Co, TN. Later, two Womack boys married two Kilburn girls in Lawrence Co, TN.

West Tennessee and North Mississipp were criss-crossed by several distinct Womack families, and they sometimes lived in the same counties at the same time (though usually in different parts of the county). This makes it harder to prove relationships by proximity.

In the 1870 Census, Sally (Watson) Womack, widow of Newton, was in Johnson Co, AR (p.9). Part of Johnson Co later became Logan Co, AR.

Monday, May 10, 2004 at 15:32:25 (PDT)
Connie Baumann

For info on the Womack families of Southwest Missouri, I would suggest contacting IvaLou Womack. Her e-mail address is If she can't answer your questions, she can probably direct you to someone who can.

Connie Baumann


Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 09:02:32 (PDT)
Patrick Noel Freesh

I have information on Comilla (Millie)Womack, daughter of Abner born in Butler or Logan Co KY abt 1802, md to Peter Donnelson Solomon. She and husband burried in Forsyth Cemetery, north of Marshal, IL, just west of Rt 1. I have seen the headstones. I will provide informal history of her children, with focus on those who moved to Moultrie County,IL, then later to Frankilin Co, KS. Her oldest Son John Solomon was my g grandfather.


Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 22:28:17 (PDT)

Looking for desc. of Verna Elvie (called Dick) Crawford, born 1888 Obion County, Tenn, son of William T. & Frances A. Mathis-Crawford. Moved to Mo. after 1926, first wife Maude, second wife ? / had several children 3 of them were; John Henry, J.Hugh, 7 Laverne Crawford. Needed to complete family. Thanks, Betty


Friday, May 14, 2004 at 05:27:16 (PDT)
melody pruitt.married is smith.

i had postings about my daughter brandy marie pruitt who was born june 13 in atlanta ga. and died 11-23-1981 in lee county alabama. i got a copy of her birth certificate and her fathers name steve hinnant was not on theire. th death certificate has lisa marie hinnant. that was the name he wanted her to give her.also they put she was born may 13 could steve put that name on her death-certificate if it is not legal. if i had not known that he wanted to name her that i may not have found her death certificate. they had 3 causes of death. i can only read one. menengities.i called dr.m richmond in alabama and they said they do not have any medical records or autopsy reports from 1981. the coroners office, funeral home, cemetery where she is buried said her doctor or hospital should have her records. i need to kno what she died from. thank you.


Friday, May 14, 2004 at 15:24:07 (PDT)

I believe that Calloway County is in SW MO?? If not, correct me - however, ther eis a book "Jesse James Was My Neighbor" written by a geneleman that was about 12 years or so old whe Jesse was around -- He did interviews with Frank after Frank was outta prison, Jesse's wife, Jesse Jr and others -- One interesting part of that book is that he hid out with a family of Womacks for almost a year - taught singing (We have heard how he liked hymns and etc) in church -- story goes that when he was leaving, and he was sorta found out, some of the Womack boys wanted to go with him - but he talked them out of it -- true or false? Either makes an interesting story -- seems out MO Womacks were colorful people!!


Saturday, May 15, 2004 at 14:27:34 (PDT)
Robert Burke


Callaway Co, MO is about in the center of the state. See for great maps of the southern states, including county formation maps. I use this site almost every day.


Monday, May 17, 2004 at 05:28:51 (PDT)
Ruth Gray

When we sent Civil War era letter copies of Charles Womack mainly(b. 1 Mar 1836)to Harris Hill(Schley Co., GA)who later transcribed them on the internet, He gave me a Womack lineage. I believe he acquired it from Roger Womack. It was Charles, Jr, Charles, Abraham, Abraham, Abraham, Abraham, John and William. Will someone please tell me if we are accurate. 1. Wm.Womack and Mary Jane Allen. 2. John Womack and Mary Akin. 3. Abraham and Mary (?). 4. Abraham b. 1692 Henrico Co. VA and d. 1747. 5. Abraham (b.abt. 1718)and Ann (?) or Sarah Worsham. 6. Abraham and Judith Minter who parented Charles, Anna and William. 7. Charles and Casandry Benton had a daughter Lucinda who married David Marion Phillips and moved to LA in about 1859. Many of those Civil War era letters were sent by Lucinda's brother Charles to her husband David M. Phillips. Help will be appreciated.


Monday, May 17, 2004 at 11:37:04 (PDT)
Royce Gibson

Just thought I'd post that there is a Womack Family Reunion (along with McInturfs and Hammonds) in Franklin County, Ark on June 5, 2004. These are mostly decendents of Jordon Henry Womack and Mary Elizabeth Crenshaw.

Sorry, if I'm putting this in the wrong place.
If you are interested, email me for more details.


Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 14:39:38 (PDT)
Thomas Knight

TO: Robert Burke
RE: Sarah Womack

Robert, after getting a very good image of my Sarah Womack in the 1850 Tallapoosa AL census and enlarging the page, then studying the individual characters I am not so sure about Sarah's last name anymore. It looks like Worrick to me but I sure wouldn't bet the farm on it. So I stand corrected about the Womack surname. I understand how it could appear to be any one of several: Warnick, Wonnick, Worick, Wormick, and Worrick all of which appear in the census indexes.

It puts me back to square one on Sarah but could explain why my Sarah Womack has been so hard to find and why I got no response to my posts. Thanks!

Tom Knight


Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 23:30:19 (PDT)



Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 07:03:32 (PDT)

Just a bit of trivia

Bus Stop:
Cast List
Himself Andy Womack ...Clown
Remember Bus Stop had a Rodeo in it..


Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 09:35:34 (PDT)

On the Trivia post below - I asked Tim if it was his dad - and he said it was, that it was shot around Sedona AZ and he got upset cause he didnt get to meet
Marilyn...Incidentally, Andy was inducted into the Professional Rodeo Cowboy
Association's Hall of Fame --


Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 18:06:18 (PDT)
Betty Phea

Womack reunion June 19,2004 in Gilmer Texas at the Yamboree Community Bldg. These are descendants of Willis L. Womack and Annie S. Davis of Texas. All are welcome.


Friday, May 21, 2004 at 03:20:46 (PDT)
Royce Gibson

Help with Valentine Papers - could one of you old hands at this help me with how to read the references in the Valentine Papers?

I take it that most of what is online are abstracts from another source. How do I tell the source and what pages he is referencing? The Martinsburg, WV library has a copy of Clayton Torrences other work "Virginia Wills and Administrations" - has anyone found this useful?

Also, has anyone put together a map that shows how the Womack lands were bought and sold over the years?

Saturday, May 22, 2004 at 07:28:52 (PDT)
Tammy B. Young

Hi, found a copy of an old photograph of a Mr. F.M. Womack in one of the old binders that was handed down to me by one of my ancestors. I am not researching F.M. Womack and know nothing about him or his 'line'. Just thought I'd pass the word in case anyone from his line would like a copy of the photo. I'd be happy to email it. I don't know why this photo was in one of my old Womack binders but found it this morning. There's a note written below the photo on a page in the binder near the photo which speaks of Tennessee and says "Last Confederate meeting of Veterans" and says "east part of TN" and identifies in the photo a Mr. Bell, Darnell, F.M. Womack, etc. I don't know where this photo originated from. There are seven men in the picture. The old binder is one of many that were handed down to me by my elderly kinfolk some years ago with Womack history in them. Happy to help and email the photo to anyone who is from the F.M. Womack line.


Saturday, May 22, 2004 at 13:37:15 (PDT)
Ann McDonald

Tammy, my best guess is that the photo would be of Francis Marion Womack son of Isham Rice Womack. He served in Co G of the 24th TN Regiment.
Not my line, but that might help narrow it down. Ann


Saturday, May 22, 2004 at 20:46:01 (PDT)



Sunday, May 23, 2004 at 06:34:55 (PDT)
Beth Howser


Based on the numbering you posted (1JACOB WOMACK M SARAH JOHNSON 2 JOHNSON ASHLEY WOMACK 3 DAVID WOMACK M ELIZABETH BRISCO/BRISCOE 4 WILLIAM JEFFERSON WOMACK M MARRY NELSON ENSEY), Patricia Cox Jackson didn't go back further than Jacob Womack, did she? In her data, Patricia has census and tax lists for Jacob and Johnson. Can you find those records in her data? The census years and names of counties and states are critical. If you can find that data, you can define the Womack line further back. Please tell us how Patricia got back to the 1600s if she didn't document Jacob Womack's father. Is there anything in her work regarding Jacob's military service or about his father?

Also did Patricia have data on her Cox line? I can get back to Joseph Cox and wife, Martha Insley (1880 Census Republican, Clay Co., KS) on that line, but I've wondered if she also traced the Cox line back to Washington Co., TN and the Watauga Cox (Cocke) family since she submitted the family group sheet of Johnston (David) Womack and the RW pension app of Johnson Womack (Wamuck) to WAGS in Washington Co., TN. I've found no relationship with Martha Insley and the Ensey/Ensley girls the Womacks married. Patricia thought that Elizabeth Brisco married Johnson Womack, b. 1762 and not David, b. in late 1700s or early 1800s, indicating a great age difference in the couple. I can only see 10 or 11 years between David and Elizabeth.

On the 1840 Richland Twp., Madison Co., AR shows David to be under 40. Johnson is not on the 1840 AR census, and it is not known when Johnson died. His second RW pension app is dated 1837. After David died, ca. 1845, Elizabeth Brisco Womack took her children to Collin Co., TX where she married James Ledbetter 18 Oct 1847. The Womack children are found with the Ledbetters on the 1850 Collin Co., TX census, roll 910, page 13A, house 173.

You and Tammy B. Young (the lady who posted about F. M. Womack below) descend from the same family. Tammy descends from William Jefferson Womack's brother, Thomas Jefferson Womack (1850 census shows his name is Thomas G.). Both were sons of David and Elizabeth Brisco Womack. Thomas's daughter married a Boatman. William served in the CW in the 19th Texas Calvary, Co. F., but I can't find any military service for Thomas. I'm curious to know if there are other names on the back of Tammy's photo.

Derrell, let us know what you find on the census and tax records.



Monday, May 24, 2004 at 00:51:20 (PDT)



Monday, May 24, 2004 at 01:30:15 (PDT)


1810 United States Federal Census has 1 match for:
Jacob Womack

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Name: Womack, Jacob
Township: Hillsborough
County: Orange
State: North Carolina
Year: 1810
Roll: M252_41
Page: 786
Image: 224

1790 United States Federal Census has 1 match for:
Jacob Womack
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Name: Jacob Womack
Township: Not Stated
County: Pendleton
State: SC
Year: 1790
Roll: M637_11
Page: 83
Image: 0019

July term 1770

A Deed of Sale from Alex'r Kilpatrick to Jacob Womack Dated the 10th day of Septem'r 1768 for 300 acres of Land proved by Thos. Stuart Evidence thereto. ordered to be Reg'd.
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January term 1771

A Deed of Sale from Jacob Womack to James Capshaw Dated the 17th of Aug't 1770 for 300 acres of Land proved by Wm. Capshaw Evidence thereto. Ord'd to be Registered.

Pierce'S Register
[p.313] VOUCHERS
page 363
Militia Johnson Womack 4069 Morgan Dist

Burleson Family Association Bulletin Name Index

Name: Johnson Womack
ID: 49418
Volume: V
Number: 2
Page: 524

Arkansas Land Records has 1 match for:
Johnson Womack
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Land Office: LITTLE ROCK
Document Number: 154
Total Acres: 318.42
Misc. Doc. Nr.: 11
Signature: Yes
Canceled Document: No
Issue Date: March 27, 1834
Mineral Rights Reserved: No
Metes and Bounds: No
Statutory Reference: 10 Stat. 308
Multiple Warantee Names: No
Act or Treaty: July 22, 1854
Multiple Patentee Names: No
Entry Classification: Public Land Donation

Arkansas Census, 1819-70 has 1 match for:
Johnson Womack
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Personal Information

State: AR
County: Lawrence County
Township: Arkansas Territory
Year: 1831
Record Type: Tax list
Page: 018
Database: AR 1830-1839 Tax Lists Index

1830 United States Federal Census has 6 matches for:
David Womack
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Name: Womack, David
Township: Unknown Townships
County: Lawrence
State: Arkansas
Year: 1830
Roll: M19_5
Page: 2
Image: 5

1840 United States Federal Census has 4 matches for:
David Womack
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Name: Womack, David
Township: White River
County: Marion
State: Arkansas
Year: 1840
Roll: M704_19
Page: 50
Image: 99

1840 United States Federal Census has 4 matches for:
David Womack
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Name: Womack, David
Township: White River
County: Marion
State: Arkansas
Year: 1841
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Monday, May 24, 2004 at 12:12:42 (PDT)
Beth Howser


Did you find any of your information in Patricia's work?

The David Womack of Marion Co., AR is the son-in-law of Abraham Wood. I haven't found his parents yet, but he did live on land in Bedford Co., TN in the early 1800's prior to coming to Arkansas.

Jacob Womack Pendleton Co., SC.......on Johnson's RW pension app he stated he had liven in Pendleton Co., SC after the war.

Johnson Womack's Arkansas 1834 land record.....this is in Chicot Co., AR. I haven't figured this one out yet, but Johnson was in Lovely Co., AR, which later became Washington Co:

"Several hundred people had made the Lovely Purchase their home, when on 16 Oct 1827 the Arkansas General Assembly, without governmental consent, created Lovely County and placed its seat of government at Nicksville, a few miles above the mouth of Sallisaw Creek in present Sequoyah County, Oklahoma. The Cherokees negotiated and entered a treaty 6 May 1828 whereby they exchanged their lands in Arkansas for seven million acres west of the Arkansas boundary, which was fixed by this treaty at its present location. Among other things, the government agreed to remove all white settlers. Congress passed an act 24 May 1828 providing two quarter sections of land for each head of family, widow or single man over twenty-one who had been displaced by the Treaty of 1828."

Among those families listed are:

WOMACK, JOHN AR Chicot 10/15/1833 Little Rock
WOMACK, JOHNSON AR Chicot 3/27/1834 Little Rock
WOMACK, LARKIN AR Sebastian 11/15/1830 Batesville
WOMACK, PLEASANT AR Desha 1/14/1850 Helena
WOMMACK, WILLIAM AR Jefferson 10/16/1838 Little Rock

From Robert Burke's web page:

"See Early Tax lists at the Tennessee State Archives. White males had to start paying a poll tax from the age of 21, but I am not sure at what age they were excused from the poll tax. The TN Archives site says age 50, but I am not certain that was the case in some of the earlier lists. Major Jacob Womack was probably in Grainger Co, TN in 1799, but he was old enough to not have to pay the poll tax. Likewise, William Womack (1753-1820) was probably in Franklin Co, TN or Warren Co, TN in 1812, but not listed because he was too old.

Jackson Co, TN was adjacent to White Co, TN until 1842 when Putnam Co, TN was formed. David and Johnston Womack apparently moved from Grainger Co, TN to Jackson Co, TN, and thence to White Co, TN. By 1816, they had moved to Lawrence Co, AR (which was then part of Missouri Territory).

See the Izard Co, AR Couch GenWeb site. There is a link for the 1816 Tax list of Lawrence Co, MO Territory (AR Territory was formed from MO Territory in 1819). Note the following Womacks in Lawrence Co in 1816: David, Jesse, John, John (second listing), Johnson. Note that they were NOT there in the 1815 tax list. Believe they lived in the part of Lawrence which became Randolph Co, AR.

From White Co, TN court records (WPA transacription at TN State Archives) - 16 Nov 1809 - Johnston Wamick was a juror

From Grainger Co, TN court records 1796 - 1802 (WPA transacription at TN State Archives) - several mentions of Jacob and David Womack. In one court record, Jacob referred to as Major Jacob Womack. In another court record, Jacob and David listed together as part of a jury to lay off a road."

Derrell, let's go back to White Co., TN. The Burleson Family Association reference to Johnson Womack is probably the record Robert Burke annoted above about Johnson being a juror. Most of the people listed in the Burleson Family Association's Vol. 2, Page 524 were also in White Co., TN. However, I think there's another connection to Johnson in this county. Samuel Weaver's son, Elijah David Womack, married in White Co., TN, a Fanny Womack, b. ca. 1780. Fanny's father was supposed to be "a" Larkin Womack. It couldn't be my Larkin because he was born in 1785. But she could be my Larkin's sister. Samuel Weaver was with Johnson prior to White Co.:

"List of Insolvents Living within the Indian Boundary for the Year 1797
(Which the County Court of Grainger Released the Sheriff from Collecting)
Derrell, see Robert's reference to Jacob being in Grainger Co.
Note from Beth: "Insolvent" has the connotation of not owning land

Weaver, John
Weaver, Joseph
Weaver, Samuel
Weaver, Samuel
Womack, David
Womack, Jeremiah
Womack, Jonathan (Johnson?)


Tuesday, May 25, 2004 at 10:42:20 (PDT)
Roger Womack

January-March messages have been moved to the archives.


Tuesday, May 25, 2004 at 11:03:15 (PDT)
Andrea Phillips

I am trying to find information about my great grandfather Earl Womack. He was born 1888 in TN, possibly Bradley county. He married a woman named Mary Woods, in TN around 1909. Mary was born around 1885 in TN also.Mary's parents were named W.D Woods, and Fannie. Earl and Mary had 7 children Clarence (DOB around 1909) Hazel, Chester(DOB 1913), Francis, Lorena, Russel, and Naomi. The first five were born in TN. My grandfather Chester, was said to have been born in Cleveland, TN in 1913. The family moved to LaPorte IN, around 1919. That is where Earl and Mary are burried. There is also a family rumor that our name was changed somewhere along the line, may have been Womac. It is also said we have Cherokee blood also. Any information regarding Earl or Mary would be very helpful.


Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 08:00:35 (PDT)
Tammy B. Young

Hi Beth,

Yes, isn't this Genealogy fun! I'm ashamed to say that I haven't spent a lot of time researching my ancestor (g g g grandpa) Thomas Jefferson Womack, nor his brother William J. Womack. But with all of the notebooks, files, etc. etc. that have been handed down to me by my elderly Womack kinfolk, I really haven't spent that much time on the research. It's not in question about Eliz. Briscoe being the mother of my Thomas J. Womack. I have many old letters of correspondence that were written by my Womacks. Most of the letters having been written in the 1800s. I have many photos and many copies of original receipts; dating from the 1700s to the early 1800s. Receipts of 'Paid in full's, tax receipts, vouchers, etc. signed by Johnson Womack, Jacob Womack, Elizabeth Ledbetter, J.D. Ledbetter, David Womack,etc. Some of the receipts and vouchers name 'Johnson' spelled as 'Johnston' but most have it spelled as 'Johnson'. I can take no credit for the research done on my Womack line since most was given to me. My Thomas Jefferson Womack's mother Elizabeth did remarry to James Ledbetter and I'dseen the Census in Collin Co. of their household, with Thomas and brother William there. In some of the old letters of correspondence, Thomas Jefferson Womack and his sons are writing to my great great grandma Eliza Jane Womack-Boatman and make mention of 'Uncle John King'. He was called 'Uncle John King' by Thomas J. and wife Eliza Jane ENSEY-Womack's sons. And for instance, in one of the copies of an original receipt the receipt states that #$7.00 was received of David Womack, the balance of a Judgment James Taylor received for cost against Johnston Womack; except fifty-nine cents. Oct 31st 1811. Clk George W. Gibbs. And on another 'receipt' it states: "I did pay in full Johnson Womack for two notes given to John Fleming by JohnsonWammock and the other boy Jacob Wammack the one note for twelve pound and the other for ten pounds for which I have received full satisfaction. March 17, 1803; I say Recevd by me Samuel Thomas; Wit: William Bussel; Solomon George" I am familiar with the Hutchins name as I have old photos of my Hutchins kinfolk, for they married to my Womacks. Don't know if my Hutchins kinfolk are those that you mentioned or not? Have also some old photos of my Briscoe kinfolk. I realize I am blessed to have all of these 'treasures' that were handed down to me so again, I take no credit. If I can help in any way in your research, please let me know. I have so many Womack files and notebooks here that I do need a bigger office! One of my elderly Womack kinfolk had been a professional genealogist, some years ago. I have much of her 45 years of Womack research. Yes Eliza Jane Womack, daug. of Thomas J. and Eliza J. Ensey-Womack, married my great great grandpa Richard Gayno Boatman. Many of her letters to her mother, and letters from her dad and mother to her, I have. I'm thankful for them. Richard Gayno was a son of Richard Howell Boatman, born 1813 in Grainger Co. TN and I have some old letters written by him as well. He was writing to Richard Gayno and Eliza Jane, and mentions in a few of his letters, the goings on of Thomas J. Womack and family. I have sent Derrell some info. that he can add to his ancestor William J. Womack's files and research as well as some photos of his kinfolk. I've enjoyed corresponding with him and 'meeting' him, very much. I do have the Valentine papers, Carlos's book, etc. etc. etc. and I find it all very interesting too. Some of the old photos I have of my Hutchins kinfolk are not in great shape but a few still are. One in particular, with S. Womack sitting next to Mr. Hutchins is in fairly decent condition.


Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 08:15:42 (PDT)
Tammy B. Young

(P.S.) After posting my message, I found a note written in one of my Womack notebooks and it states: "Children of Johnson "Johnston" & Elizabeth Womack......." and then below it is a note: "After the death of Johnson, Elizabeth married James D. Ledbetter born 1812 TN. They had a daughter Elizabeth b. 1850 Jack Co., TX who married John King."

I see in my files that there are letters of correspondence to my Womack cousin from Carlos. I haven't had time to read all of these notebooks handed down to me. I found this letter while ago as I was looking for those photos of the Hutchins and Briscoes taken with my Womack kinfolk, 'way back when.'


Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 09:32:12 (PDT)
john white

I noticed a posting by Martha Womack Jan.9,1998 where she mentioned her relationship(s) with Shephard L. Womack of Karnak, Illinois Born Jan.9,1848 Died Jan.30,1945..Age 91...His was married to Sarah S. Boaz...A Drummer Boy at the Battle of Shiloh...April 6,1862... His father was Wash Womack....This group of Womacks were from the Hardin-Pulaski County areas of SouthEastern Illinois......Can anyone give Shephard's decendent's names other than-Anna, and J.L.Womack?? also, Can anyone find any record of his father's (Wash)history???????/Note: Martha's web address is no longer valid......Need an up-date


Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 13:57:15 (PDT)



Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 13:59:36 (PDT)


By F. M. Womack

The writer has often thought that he would leave with his children some facts and accounts regarding our family connection.

The writer has often regretted that he did not obtain from his father during his lifetime something of this kind which would have enabled him to have given more facts than he will be able to give without them, but so far as I may attempt to go " I will try to render unto Caesar the things that belong to Caesar."

To begin - My grandfather's name was William Womack, was born in North Carolina. My grandmother Womack was born in N. Carolina, her name was Lucy Womack and distantly related to Grandfather Womack.

My father's name was Isham Rice Womack, was of Irish descent, was born on Little Pedee River in North Carolina on the 29 day of Sept. 1789, died the 25th day of May 1869. Aged 79 yrs. 7m. 26ds.

My mothers name before marriage was Mary Ann Steward and was of Scotch descent and was born on Great Pedee River in the state of South Carolina on the 22 day of May 1791, died June 18th 1880. Aged 88y. 21m. 26ds.

Father and mother were married in South Carolina on the 5th day of Aug. 1810. They moved to this county ( Coffee county, Tennessee ) which was then a portion of Franklin county at that time, in the Autumn of the same year they were married, and settled near the base of the Cumberland Mountain above J.T. Crocker (?) farm, now in the 11th Civil District of Coffee County, Tenn. They moved from the Carolinas to Tenn. on a pack horse ( a little Grey Mare. ) When they settled down to house keeping they had what they packed on the little grey mare to this state and one dollar in money. My father told me he took the dollar, all the money he had and bought salt with it. He had hired himself out to make rails and for the making of rails he received in compensation one Pork hog - hence you see the necessity for the salt. In moving to this County my father and mother would camp out at nights. They were four weeks on the road. There were other imigrants came across with them. My father and mother lived first in this neighborhood five years. They lived a portion of the time during the five years where F.M. Taylor now live. My father cleared some of the lands of Taylor's, He and mother were the first settlers in the neighborhood of the Taylor Spring. Then moved to Swedens Cove now Marion County, Tenn., lived there about four years, bought a piece of land where Louis Pain now resides, if living, and his house stood within about 60 yards of where the Louis Pain residence now stands. Father and mother told me their reason for leaving Swedens Cove was that Cove was pretty much filled up with relatives and that they were intermarrying among each other. There were many of the Beans, McBees, Pains, and other families connected to fathers family ( all good people however ). Therefore father sold his land, moved back to this neighborhood, now the 11th Civil Dist. of Coffee County, Tenn., bought land and remained on the same until his death, upon which my father and mother reared a large family of children, 8 girls and 6 boys viz: Oldest Sally who married Martin Lowry, an old Baptist preacher & farmer. Him and her both died in Lincoln County, Tenn. & left a large family of children, most of them now in Lincoln County.

The Lowry family were about all of Old Baptist convictions and were always talking Old Baptist doctrine. I met Geo. Lowry ( nephew ) a few years ago. He talked bible a great deal. I asked Geo. if he belonged to the Baptist Church, he said, no he never did jine but one thing in his life and that was the Confederate Army, he said he thought he never would get out of the blamed thing, said he always been afraid to jine anything ever since, for fear if he wanted to get out of it he couldn't do it. Geo. is dead now, a good fellow and has joined better people and country than one he left behind him. The Lowry family are a very fine and a good family of people.

2nd, Nancy, who married Geo. W. Chapman who was a farmer & a fine blacksmith. Both died in this county and were ( buried ) at the grave yard on fathers old home sted. They had several children, Columbus, Jasper, Mary Ann, Sarah, William, Nancy & Geo. All good people, Jasper died in Texas. Mary Ann died in this county. The others are living at this time.

3rd, Sela W., who married Harrison Cornelison ( a farmer ) who moved to Missouri about the year 1837. Both dead and buried in MO., leaving a large family of children mostly living in S.W. Mo.

4th, Lucy, who married Dr. T.P. Stephenson, Both died near here and were buried at Stephenson Institute. They had no children, but raised two children - T.P. Levins and Lucy Melvina Womack. There were few better. Your Aunt Lucy died 1860 and was buried at Stephenson Institute. Your Uncle Dr. Stephenson died 1891 and is buried at Stephenson Institute.

5th, William Berry Womack who went to MO. in 1837 along with the Cornelisons family, remained in Mo. two years - came back home, remained at home 3 or 4 months then left again for Mo. - went to Nashville taking passage on a steamboat, we have no account of him since he left Nashville, as to what became of him is still wrapped in mystery - he had never married.

6th, A.L.J. Womack ( Abner ) was a doctor. He first hung out his shingle in Hillsboro, Tenn., remained there about 1 year, went from there to Sam Kenley ( ? ) farm on the road between Prarie Plains and Decherd, remained there one year or two years - from there to Hawkerville ( Alto ) remained there about two years - from there to Beech Grove, practiced there about 2 years - moved from there to Pine Bluff, Ark. in 1852, there he established a drug store but continued the practice of medicine, accumulated considerable property, a farm, Negroes, &c. The war came uo in 1861. He went into the Confederate command, I think the 9th Ark. Infantry, was a surgeon in his regt., perhaps only assistant surgeon. Whenthe war was ended, his negros freed, the farm and other property gone and devastated, he again engaged in the profession - but his health failed him. So about the year 1875 he came back to Tenn. ( perhaps in the month of April ) thinking he could recuperate his health, went to Laynes Springs on the Cumberland Mountain and died there in July of the same year, died of Asthma and consumption of the bowles, was buried at the grave yard on fathers old homested. Bro. Abner married Elizabeth Corn. She was raised on Elk River near Estill Springs, Franklin County, Tenn. They had three children, Mary Emely, Queen Victoria and Eliza - all three of the girls graduated from Mary Sharp College, Winchester, in June 1861. Their mother is also dead. They have wandered away from Pine Bluff, Ark. so I do not know their whereabouts.

7th, Bro. Levi was a blacksmith and a good fiddler - was a good hearted fellow and a man of fine sense. He married Nancy Pendergraft. They had a large Family of children. All moved to Ozark County, Mo. about 1873. Bro. Levi's wife is dead, he also died last winter, 1904. I think his children are now living mostly in South West Mo. and N.W. Ark.

8th, Sister Martha - An old maid 80 years old living at my house. You all know her.

9th, Sister Mary Melissa - She married an Irishman Michael Levins, father of T.P. and Jasper Levins. He was a tanner by trade and ran a tan yard just across the road in corner of field in front of where your Uncle Speaker ( ? ) Thomas died. Your Aunt Melissa died of fever. Her husband after her death married Sally Cash. Your Uncle Mike Levins either died or was killed in the Rebel Army. I guess your Aunt Melissa was about 25 years old when she died.

10th, Sister Sibella R. married T.J. Lovlace, a widower with four children. Her marriage was very much against the will of fathers family. However Lovlace was a good moral man, was a Seperate Baptist preacher, a farmer and stone mason, but was a very poor man. His wife died during the Civil War in Lincoln County, Tenn. Just where she is buried I do not know - have often thought I would some time make a trip to Lincoln and ascertain where she was buried but have not done so. She died just before the close of the war. Lovelace and her had a family of children, perhaps about six. Don't think I met any of the family after the war closed. Lovelace at the close of the war moved to Ark. - he married after moving to Ark. - but died several years ago. His children, I think are yet in Ark. - one or two of their boys preachers. I do not remember their P.O. John and Alex were the oldest children, don't ( know ) the names of the others. Your Aunt Sibbella, a nice woman.

11th, - Bro. Lewis H. died in Elmyra Prison N.Y. just before the close of the war, he died 28th April 1865. He entered the 44th Tenn. Reg. 1861- - - - was captured at the battle of Gettesburg, Pennsylvania, carried to Elmyra Prison, died from a relaps of Small Pox and was buried at Elmyra. He married Sarah Cargile. They had three children, Mary, James & William, all living in Texas. Sarah died on Sunday the 6th day of Apr. 1862. Bro. Lewis was that day fighting in the battle of Shiloh. The children were small so the care of them devolved upon father & mother after having already raised fourteen children of their own.

12th, The twelfth is the writer F. M. Womack your father who was born within one mile of where he is now living- - -born 26th day of May 1833. A portion of my life is an open book to you all. I regret that it has not been a better and more noble life. Alas I cannot recall it. Perhaps the great majority of people when looking over their past life, behold with a sad & sorrowing heart their failures and think could they only be permitted to live it over again theirs would be a more honorable, worthy and glorious life. Therefore my dear children as you have but one life to live on this earth do your best to make it a good life, an honorable Christian Life. Your mother was born the 24th day of Aug. 1834 in Cannon County, Tenn. Your Grandfather Peter Thomas was born in the state of Va. His father moved to Cannon County at an early day settled near Bradyville. Your Grandfather Peter J. Thomas moved to Coffee County 1852. Your Ma and me were married the 26th day of Feb. 1854. Your Grandmother Thomas was before marriage a Lassiter. Your mother was one of Gods noble women, died Sept. 23, 1883.

13th, My Bro. Wiley C. Womack was a Dr. Went to Pine Bluff, Ark at the age of 18 1/2 years, clerked in a Drug store and studied medicine for two years under my brother Abner Womack, he came back home, went int practice, moved to Jackson County, Ala., in 1860, remained there in his profession until his death 5 or six years ago. Done a large practice. His first wife was Nancy Harris by whom he had three children, Myrtle, Henry, and Wilma all living at Birmingham, Ala, no children. His second wife was Luc Teters who died in one or two years after their marriage. His third wife was a widow Johnson. Her maiden name before marriage was mattie Linsey- - - - She died about one year before my brother Wiley died.

14th. My sister Salina H. was the youngest child, married Wm. J. Thomas a brother to your ma. She died Jan. 1865 at the age of about 28 years. She had one child, her and her baby child were both buried in the same coffin. Your Aunt Salina was a very nice intelligent girl. She had a fairly good education, very few girls of her day that surpassed her in general intelligence.

So you see there were only 14 of Fathers family of children all lived to be grown, all married but two, your Uncle William and your Aunt Martha. Your uncle William was not married when we last heard of him. Your Grandfather Womack always kept a good tably, had a great deal of company, he never charged a man a bill in {his} life for taking care of him, but always fed and lodged every {one} gratis. He had a good farm made plenty, kept out of debt, reared those 14 children, fed, clothed and educated them, in fact he gave his children better opportunities than most of his neighbors gave theirs, he would always see that his children were at school when he had an opportunity to send them, yet his children had to work on the farm in order to have food and raminent. I remember hearing my father say he never bought but one piece of meat in {his} life after the first year he came to Tenn. I remember very well when he bought it. The idea of having to buy a piece of meat seemed to trouble him very much. My father had a very fair education for his day, used to teach school in his young days, acted as Justice of the Peace a great deal, was clerk for a long time of the Pro. Vo. Marshalls court, a court of the Home Malisha. My mother was a very small woman, a nice industrious old lady, had some education, could read and write very well, was a woman of good natural ability, worked hard, made a great deal of flax, cotton and woolen cloth, spun her own thread, wove it into cloth, cut and made it into wearing apparal for the family, sold many webs of cloth of her own make, such as cotton, jeans lincy &c. In my boyhood I wore no kind of clothing only such as was manufactured by my mother. Yet we were deprived of many advantages that the young people have today- - - -but people were generally honest, social, kind, genteel and as intelligent as they could be under surrounding circumstances. If a neighbor told you anything then you could rely upon it as a fact. I can't think there was much fraud, deceit and corruption among the people then as are now, however we have many good people at present. I have diverged somewhat from my work I must get back to it.

Your Grandfather and Grandmother were both members of the Old Primitive Baptist Church, in fact the Womack generations were mostly Baptists. My brothers and sisters were nearly all Baptist. Your Uncle Wiley and me both members of the Christian Church. The Old Primitive Baptist as a people seemed to be closely bound together by their religous ties. Several years ago thay had among them a Baptist preacher, an able, prominent preacher among them, whom resided in county of K town of A, was also a merchant in said. While selling goods he became involved in trouble with a young lady, her people talked of lynching him, so he gathered up & pulled out for the far West. I learned of the trouble soon after it occured, some time after I ask your Aunt Martha what had become of this preacher remarking that I had heard nothing said of him among them for some time. Your Aunt Martha says may be you have not heard about it. I'll tell you all about it he has gone to West, he had to go. Says I why, what was the matter, she says he got into trouble with a girl down about A, her folks talked of killing him and the poor fellow had to go there or somewhere else, the trifling heifer she says ought to have been hung- - -but not a single word had she to say against her brother preacher.

My father was a man of great patience. There used to be a man named Gilliam Brooks who worked with father when he was a young man. There was once a Battalion Muster some where in the neighborhood of where my father lived. Brooks wanted father to let him have a horse to ride to the muster as he had promised to carry a girl that day, father let him have the horse he wanted and took the girl up behind him on the horse rode with him on to the muster. Gilliam Brooks bought ginger cakes from a negro, fed her all the ginger cakes she could eat. In the evening the girl went off home with another man. Brooks came home in a very ill humor as to the manner the girl had treated him. He was telling my mother all about it and in the wind up of the subject he says Aunt Mary there is is one thing about shore as shooten, she's eat the last of my ginger bread she'll ever eat. However Gilliam Brooks courted and married another women soon.

My fathers old neighbors was old Esg., James Cunningham, old Esq. Jesse Reynolds, Old Uncle Jimmy Shield, Old Uncle Johnny Harris, Old Uncle Charley and Jake Rowland, Old Esq. Cowen, Old Uncle Johnny Crockett, Old Uncle Billy Rankin, Old Uncle Jimmy Cargile, Old Dad Stephenson, Old Uncle Henry Gotcher, Old Esq. Jess Gotcher, Old Uncle Gideon Prilley, Old Uncle Johney Dean, Old Esq. Marrow & Dick Price. Some others not mentioned. In speaking of them I was taught to call their names as I have written them. If I had mistreated or failed to treat an old man with respect when I was a boy my father would have Chastised me surely. My father endeavored to bring up his children right, the wayward steps that we may have made has not been according to the training, will or violition of father & mother.

My Grandfathers family of children were oldest, Josiah, I never met him. He raised a large family of children, his wife was named Comfort. Do not know her maiden name. Uncle Josiah had a large family of children. I never knew but little of his family. He had a grand son whose name was Rufus, he has been at my fathers house often - was graduated at Old Irvin College { Irving College in Warren County, Tenn. } about the year 1851. He would always come to my fathers during vacation. He died in Texas several years ago - was a school teacher and Methodist preacher. Uncle Josiahs family is scattered, can't tell any of their whereabouts.

2nd. Aunt Sallie married Jeremiah Blanton, said to be a nice man. Some of his family now living in Texas. Aunt Sallie said to be a very nice women.

3rd. Thomas Womack had a wife and two children. He died. I never knew what became of his wife and children.

4th. Uncle Burton Womack died young.

5th. Isham Womack my father was the 5th child.

6th. Uncle William Womack { Buck ) married a McBee, he moved to Missouri about 1846 or 1847 from Jackson County, Ala. Stopped over with father on his way and remained 2 weeks - had a daughter, Cousin Betty who fell from a wagon as they came { across } the Cumberland Mountain. A wheel ran over her leg and broke it, therefore they rested at fathers two weeks on account of her misfortune. Uncle Buck had a large family of children - seemed to be nice family of children. I think the majority of the boys and girls played the fiddle - they had two fiddles, some would play and some would dance - they seemed to be an inteligent family of children. Uncle Buck was moving through in wagons drawn by oxen. He died in the State of Mo. Some of his children was living in Ozark Co., Mo. a few years ago.

7th. Uncle Abner Womack married Ibby Patton, sister to Alex Patton who died near Pelham Tenn. Uncle Abner was a nice man, a strict baptist. Aunt Ibby was a nice woman. They both died and were buried in Jackson, Ala. They had one daughter, Mary, who married Robert Gill, Father of Lemm Gill who married your Cousin Mary Womack, sister to Jimmy and Billy Womack. All lived in Texas. They had several boys, Wm. Pleasant, John Benton (?), Berry, Alex, Charley and Geo. all living in Jackson Co., Ala. Dr. Charley lives in Spring Hill, Marshall County, Tenn. Berry, a Baptist preacher, can't tell where he lives. Uncle Abner had a nice inteligent family of children.

8th. Uncle Jesse Womack married a Perkins first wife, she died in Jackson County, Ala. Uncle Jess died in Marshall Co., Ala. - he was the father of Cousin Mary Gilliam & Cousin Levi Womack. Uncle Jess Womack sometimes called ( Green eye ) was a pecular man, you could hear him talking in common conversation almost a mile. Soon after his first wife died he visited father, staid few days. He seemed to be greatly grieved on account of loseing his wife. He said he had caught his horse every night after supper, since her death and would ride to the grave yard where she was buried, which was one mile from his home - hoping he might see her - he went back home from fathers and very soon thereafter I learned that Uncle Jess had courted and married another women. Uncle Jess had a large family of children, all respectable. Many years before Uncle Jess died he had his coffin made. The undertaker brought it home to him, he lay down in it to see how he liked, was very well pleased with it, he kept it up stairs, Usually kept shelled corn, peas, or beans in it. I presume he was buried in it.

9th. Uncle Levi Womack married a Bean. He used to teach school in his younger days, seemed to be a man of good intelligence and nice manners. I met him about 22 years ago. He, at that time lived near Col. Coffees store on Boon Creek, Jackson Co., Ala. He was running a little mill belonging to Col. Coffee. C.C. Chapman, John Henley and me were passing near him, went a little off our route to see him. He was living a second wife, his first wife having died. We taken dinner with him. I was very glad to see him again, had not met him for many years. He seemed to be so glad that we had called to see him. We did not stay only for a short time with him. We then bade him farewell and left. He reminded me very much in size and appearance of my father. This was my last time to see Uncle Levi. I think he has been dead about 12 years. He had several children. I have met some of them but can't tell much about them; those I met seemed to be mostly nice people. I think some of them are yet in Jackson Co., Ala.

10th. Uncle Asa Womack married a Patton. They lived and died near Coffeeville, Miss. He seemed to be a real nice man - had several children - have met some of his children, all seemingly nice intelligent children. One if his sons, Cousin John was killed in the Battle of Fishing Creek. Some of his children and grandchildren now living near Coffeeville, Miss.

11th. Aunt Nancy married Jonathan Eaves. I know but little about her. Never met her or Uncle Jonathan. Do not know when or where thay died. I know nothing of their children, if any.

I will now refer back to my Grandfather and Grandmother Womack. They both died long before I was born. I know nothing of Grandfathers brothers, he had one sister ( Chloe ) think there were several brothers & sisters among them. My Grandmother before marriage was a Womack and distantly related to Grandfather Womack, as herein before mentioned. Grandmother Womacks mother was a Rice. She had one brother only that I have been able to learn of; his name was Abner Womack who lived and died in Warren County, Tenn. My father use to visit him when I was a boy, he was very old at the time - has been dead many years. The Warren County Womacks are kin to my fathers family, there are a great many of them but I know but little as to the relationship existing. I remember meeting Bill Womack of McMinnville for the first time about 20 years ago, near Laynes Springs on Cumberland Mountain. I had passed the Springs & taken a right hand road. Bill was coming in on a road to my left, he hailed me, I left my road turning to my left, he turned to his left so we met between the two roads. Bill says hello, I thought you was Hense Winton. Well says I, I thought you was Hense Winton. Bill says no my name is Womack. Well sir says I, my name is Womack. Which one of the Womacks says Bill? I replied Frank Womack. Bill says I have a brother Frank. Says I which one of the Womacks are you? He said Bill Womack. I remarked that I had a brother Bill, so you have none the advantage of me. We laughed over the remarkable introduction. I have met Bill a few ( times ) since and we always have some fun over our introduction. Bill Womack married a Vovel ( Colville ), a real nice lady.

I can tell but little of my mother. Her name before marriage was Mary Ann Steward. I remember seeing a half brother of hers, Lewis Bryan. Some of her people I think are now living near Loudon, East Tenn. I do not remember their names.

Your Grandfather Thomas was born in the State of Va. He was a shrewd inteligent man, was a good trader, accumulated considerable property - was the owner of a large family of negroes when the War between the states came up, his negro property went by the board, leaving him his farm and some personal effects - he made considerable money after the war closed. Your Grandmother Thomas died about 1877. Your Grandfather married 12 or 18 months after ( her ) death - married a widow Sissom living near Bradyville, Cannon County. She owned a fine farm. He resided on the farm with her. Don't think their union was a pleasant one. His health became feeble while living with his second wife - your ma went to see him, came back home, said she did not think he was being treated kindly. So she sent your Uncle Eck after him, he brought him to my house, he remained there until he died, about the year 1882. Your Grandma Womack also died at my house. Your Grandfather Thomas had but one brother, his name was Jack. He was an old batchelor, died in 1864 at your Grandfather Thomas'. Your Grandpa had two or three sisters. One of them married a Bryan, one married a Bynum, perhaps another sister but I do not remember who she married. Your Grandpa and Grandma Thomas had 9 or 10 children. Your Uncle Allen, your ma, your uncles Huse, Will, Joe, Aunt Addie, your Uncles Ek, John, Speaker and your Aunt P. Your Uncle Allen, Joe and Addie now living. Your Grandma Thomas had two brothers, Alex and Hardy Lasiter. She then had five sisters, four of whose families live in Cannon County, Tenn. You know as much of them perhaps as I do. All nice people. She had one sister Nancy who married a Tabor and was living at last account ( in ) Ky. Your Uncle Carol Tabor was a good clever fellow and a good witness in courts. He told me he reckoned he was one of the best witnesses in the world, he said every time there came up a lawsuit in his neighborhood both sides wanted him for a witness and it was nickety tuck with them as to which side would get him, he said he prefered being a witness for the side that could get him up the most money for him.

My dear children I sometimes think I have had a hard time through life, yet I suppose I have had a more pleasant life than many others. My mind often runs back to my youthful days, my happiest days in life, while laboring upon the farm, while attending school at the old log school-house on Beans Creek, near where the Baptist church house now stands, my oposum hunting, my squirel hunting, fishing, old fashioned corn shuckings, log rollings, quiltings, parties, at plays & dances, the company of young folks at camp and protracted meetings with many other gatherings and associations of young people. These were bright and unclouded days of sunshine and real happiness with me. Time rolled on - my youthful days soon flitted away - manhood came on and I married your ma. God bless all such good and noble women. After marriage came the cares and responsibilities of a family, the war soon ( came ) up, soon there was a call for volunteers from Dan to Beersheba. In July 1861 I left a wife and two children, all that were nearest and dearest to me by the ties of nature to battle their way for a living, not knowing what my doom might be. Those were days of trouble and much anxiety but through the mercies of a kind providence I feel that I was permitted to return home. I volunteered in Co. ( G ) of the 24th Tenn. Reg. went into camps at Camp Anderson on the left side of the R. R. where it crosses Stones River 4 miles on this side of Murfreesboro. From there we soon went to Camp Trousdale in Robinson So., Tenn. Thence to Bowlingreen, Ky. in the month of Oct., thence in Nov. to Cave City 7 miles from Mamoth Cave, Ky. Thence to Camp Joe Underwood, Ky. where we had a battle, and came out victorious; thence back to Cave City; thence back in Dec. to Bowlingreen, Ky. Our Co. then guarded Johnson and Hardees headquarters in Bowlingreen until the next Feb. We the evacuated Bowlingreen and fell back to Nashville; then on and on til we reached Corinth, Miss. from there we went twenty miles to Shiloah and the 6 and 7th days if April, 1862 we fought the Battle of Shiloah on Sunday and Monday. It was a hard fought Battle. I was present at the capturing of Gen. Prentice ann his command late Sunday evening. Just after the capture of Gen. Prentice command, I came near being killed by a shell bursting. A piece of shell tearing a hole in the crown of my hat, the same piece of shell hitting my gun cutting the barrel stock and ramer of my gun smoothe off about 1/2 feet from the musel. I never knew what went with the part cut off. We left the battle field Monday evening. I saw no cause why we should have evacuated the battle ground. We left the battle field in good order, then back to Corinth, remained there a few weeks, while there engaged in skirmish fighting. I went out on picket duty evening soon after the battle of Shiloah. I had charge of the advanced picket line, out all night in a rather cold April rain, had just come in in a few days before from the battle field where I had been greatly exposed to heavy marching, fighting, heavy rains, toils, starvation &c. My general health before undergoing all this had not been good for sometime. I therefore became completely broken down in health. Dr. Bridges advised me to go to a hospital at Riensa, Miss. I took the train for Rienza but the train passed Rienza & put me off at Boonville, Miss. I learned while there that William Crockett, brother to Old Uncle Sam and John Crocket was living within two or three miles of Boonville. While lying on the platform at Depot there came a citizen along, seeing that I was in feeble condition, good Samaritan like, conveyed me to the home of Old Uncle Bill Crocket. He had a nice family. They nursed and treated me so nice - sent for a physician to treat me. I remained two weeks, my health recuperated considerably while there. Thomas Patton from Pelham came in to Crockets two or three days after my arrival there. He was in bad health. I was glad to see Tom. I had been there two weeks. One morning just after breakfast we heard heavy cannonading at the town of Boonville in a few minits there came a citizen along under lash on horseback and told us Boonville was full of Yankees. Our Army had evacuated Corinth and was falling back down the line of R. R. and had engaged the Yankees in a fight at Boonville. Tom Patton and me as soon as possible gathered up our belongings which were few, bade the Crocket family good by and dissappeared through the back door, down through the woods lot, interspursed with underbrush, then through a bottom field, crossed the fence, went up Richland Creek, finally arriving at a small village called Richland. We kept a rout paralel with the line of R.R. not knowing we might run into a squad of the enemy, but we managed to miss them entirely. We were in feeble health. Had to travel slowly. The third day, about sunset, we reached Balden, Miss. on the R.R. and found our commands encamped there. We were glad to find our commands. It reminded me of a man being away from home for many days and rejoiceing one time more to be at home with his family. We remained at Balden one or two days and took the train for Tupelo, Miss. where we went into camps. While at Tupelo, Miss. I was examined by the army board of M. D's and discharged from the army service on the 30th day of June 1862 on account of physical disabilities. I was first Lieut. in Co. ( G ) 24th Tenn. Regt. Infantry. I could not stand camp life, and have never gotten over the diseases contracted while in the army. I reached home 1st Aug. 1862. I suffered a great deal more uneasiness after reaching home than I did while in the Army as this county was in the hands of the enemy until the close of the war. This county with the entire South was completely devestated at the close of the war. I want to remark just now that history records no people, or nation who have made such good progress in the development of education, art, science, agriculture, manufacturing and general progress in developing of the resources of the county as the people of the South have done under their surrounding circumstances. Every old Confederate soldier is proud of the Sunny South and its enterprizing people.


See G. R. McGee's author of History of Tennessee a history which has been adapted for use in the Public Schools of Tenn. From page 53 to 61 inclusive you will find a history of the Watauga and other settlements, where the people met in general convention and elected a committee of thirteen men who were to act as a legislatative body and make laws suited to the needs of the Watauga and other pioneer settlements of Tenn. We find that William Bean and Jacob Womack ( Womac ) were chosen members of the committee of thirteen. We claim that the family to which we belong are connected to the said Bean and Womack, while the letter ( k ) is left off the name Womac as appears in said history we are fully satisfied that this is a typographical error. We find that the first county court embraced the entire boundarys of what is now known as Tennessee was held at Watauga Settlement in the Eastern division of the State in the year 1778, and that said Bean and Womack were members of said County Court. " The very germ of Tenn. was the Watauga Association; the first government established on this continent absolutely free of religious test, class distinction, kingly dictation, or proprietary interference. " " It was a government of the people, by the people, and for the people it served its purpose and has passed to its place of honor in the temple of history."

I will say to the family connection, let us not forget to prepetuate, maintain, diginify, elevate and keep sacred, without spot, blemish or rinkle the name we assume among the many families of the great universe. If we will only live right, we will die right, if we live wrong we will die wrong. " Men generally die as they live." So if we should fail to live right we will have made one of the most lamentable failures of life.

Now the writer will come back to the days of youth, marriage, &c. I was born the 26th day of May 1833 in one mile of where I am now living, in the 11th Civil District of Coffee County, Tenn. Have been living where I now reside for 38 years - I was reared on my fathers farm and worked hard during crop time. Most of my school days were spent in and around an old log school house that stood on the banks of Beans Creek near where there is now standing a Baptist Church. My opportunities for an education were very much limited. In my school boy days we did not have the advantages of good schools as the youth of the county now have. To think of the kind of schools we had would seem very strange to the young people of the present day. Every pupil was allowed to read and spell at the very highest pitch of his or her voice during school hours, the many voices reading, spelling &c. at the same time, could at times have been heard for almost a mile. You could see the teacher sitting in his chair, with switch in hand from 3 to 6 feet long, Oh My; how he would use it some times upon the backs of the bad boys. Well I guess it will be nothing amiss to give you a few sketches of the closing exercises of those schools, which the children looked forward to with proud anticipations of a glorious time comeing, as the teacher would be turned on that day as we called it. When the last day came the boys would gather hold of the school master as we usually called him, drag him out of the house and give him to understand that he must treat the school to whiskey, ginger cakes, cider, candy, &c. or take a ducking by being thrown into the creek. Sometimes the teacher would refuse to treat, the boys would then carry him to the water and when they would be in the act of throwing him in the water he would then agree to treat. He would send off, buy whiskey, ginger cakes, cider, &c. ( More whiskey than anything else ) consequently many of the boys would be drunk. The patrons of the school would gather in to witness the closing exercises and many of them would become drunken. Those are the kind of schools I would sometimes attend during my school boy days. The fathers of the country in those days said we had good schools and good teachers. What would the fathers of the country say of such schools and teachers in this age of the world? I was taught to call the letter ( Z ) Izzard. Everyone having any education knew that was Izzard as soon as he saw it. Just how I struggled through and managed to obtain what little education I have is a mystery to me. Children today are upon a higher plane of educational advantages for which they should be thankful and grasp the opportunities offered.

I was married to Martha Jane Thomas on the 26th day of Feb. 1854 at the age of 20 years and 9 months. She was born near Bradyville in Cannon County, Tenn. on the 24th day of August 1834, being 19 years 6 months and 2 days old when we were married. She died Sept. 20th 1883. Aged 49 years and 26 days. We lived together 34 years 6m - 24 das. Her father moved from Cannon County to where F. M. Taylor Esq. now lives in 1851. I had not known her prior to 1851. She died from measles settling on her lungs when a girl about 16 years old. She was a member of the Christian ( Church ) obeyed the gospel and was baptised Sept. 1859. Had a long spell of sickness not able to turn herself in bed when she was baptised had to be carried to the creek in a vehicle, carried to the creek after night, the night rather cool. At the time she was baptised Dr. Hough and Dr. Stephenson said she was in the last stage of consumption but she recovered and lived 24 years afterword. She was baptised in Beans creek near the crossing of the Prarie Plains and Pelham road. She was baptised by Bro. Thos. Witherspoon and began to amend from the time she was baptised. She was baptised in a litter. If I mistake not Hence Wiliman, Hence Tate, Tobe Harris and Glenmore McGraw are the parties that bore her into the water. They were all young men then. They are all dead now but McGraw. We had 9 children born to ( us ). Two of them died in their infancy. The remaining are yet living. Dr. James B. Womack, living at Bacon, Coffee County, Tenn. is married. Married 6 years ago, has a wife and one child Alline. His is the practice of medicine also runs a farm. He married Pamela Stacy his 2nd cousin. She ia a good women. Thomas H. Womack has been married - his wife died four years ago. She was Martha Blackburn & a good Women. He has eight children. Arthur, Porter, Paul, Norah, Claud, Frank, Burt and Patrick. He runs a farm and follows the business of putting up tombstones and is a very good sculpture in marble rock.

Salina married Sam Daughtry a lawyer and teacher, she lives on Beans Creek, they have 4 children, Edgar, Estella, Sam and Francis.

Norah married Jane B. Dickins who is running a Grocery and Feed store at Mont Eagle, Tenn. He owns two very good farms on Beans Creek. They have two children, Remar and Lillard.

Dr. Edgar L. Womack married Josie Green who was a good women, a school teacher. They have no children. Is now living at Summitville, Coffee County, Tenn. He is practicing medicine. Dr. Almon A. Womack is single, living in Manchester, Tenn. practicing dentistry. Addie G. married Charley Green, they are now living at Mont Eagle, Tenn. engaged in a grocery store & feed stable. They have one child, Blanch. I have spoken of my own children that others of my connection may know of them should they see this in print. I am very thankful that my children are blessed with reasonable health and ordinary minds. I am proud to say for them that they have conducted themselves so as not to have given me but little trouble, and pray God that they may continue to deport themselves in a way that they may never bring ruin or disgrace upon themselves or be guilty of anything that may cast a stigma on themselves, connection or friends.

Now in conclusion I will refer them to one of the wise proverbs of Soloman, 4 chapt. and 23 verse. " " Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life. "

After the death of my first wife I lived a widower for nine years. I had a very hard time. I had three children 5 to 12 years to look after. Had two daughters grown at the death of their ma but they married soon after her death. My present wife before marriage was Mary O. Snodgrass, she is of a good family of people. She is related to Judge Snodgrass who has served on the Supreme Court bench of our State; also to Henry Snodgrass who has served as a member of the U. S, Congress. She is much younger than me, being 46 years of age. She was born in this county, lived 20 miles from me, her mother was a Jenkins. My wife was 34 when we were married what I called an old maid, yet she disclaims it. She was a member of the Christian Church when we were married. I think her to be a good women. So I have been blessed with two good wives, one to wait on me in my old days. I have no children by my present wife. I am 72 years of age, have been a member of the Christian Church for neare 40 years. Obeyed the gospel under the preaching of old Bro. Jesse Sewel, was baptised by him in the waters of Beans Creek. I try to live a Christian life but sometimes find myself on the road that leads out into the cold bleak mountains of sin but try to wend my way back into his fold where I can go in and out and find pasture. I have past my three score and ten years and now living on borrowed time. I know my sun of life will soon have disappeared behind the hills of time. All sane persons know the importance of making their calling and election sure, therefore I want to die in the army of the Lord that I may receive a pension not of dollars and cents but of life everlasting. I know there is a rest remaining for the people. " Christ said to his deciples let not your heart be troubled, ye believe in God believe in Me, In my Fathers house are Mansions; if it were not so I would have told You."

Now in conclusion I will say that my greatest desire in this life is, to so live, that after I am done with the troubles and turmoils of this world that I may ( be ) permitted to occupy a place in one of those mansions, where the Lord has gone to prepare for his deciples.

F. M. Womack, Author

For the love and affection I have for the memory of my first wife Martha Jane Womack, I dedicate this to her name and memory. Believing as I do that she was instrumental in bringing me into the body; the Church of Christ. This 27th day of June, 1905.

F. M. Womack


Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 14:09:59 (PDT)



Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 19:28:30 (PDT)
Royce Gibson

Three things - I had posted a message earlier about a family reunion - please note my new email address.

Second, I was hoping for a response on my message about how to read the Valentine Papers

Third, I have just learned that one of the children on Jordan Henry Womack (Jordan, Carter...) was name Susie and she married an Ashley in Blossom Texas.
She is listed in several census as "S.E." Womack with parents of Jordan Henry and Mary (Crenshaw). Anyone have anything further on her?

Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 04:52:21 (PDT)

Sorry you feel as you do - have felt that way at times but I didnt give up on tis bunch here -- that sketch you posted by FM Womack is well known and is in the original Womack Genealogy Volumes, from which it appears to have been copied by someone..altho still not perfect at it, I am learning patience with this group - you never know when someone will come up with something that will help - I can assure immediate answers are not to be ewxpected nor are they the norm - I did see some responses to your postts that were quite well put together.

Back up, take a deep breath, have a cuppa something and stick with it -- someday one of will find that elusive immigrant ancestor, whether it be a William or not!!


Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 06:43:00 (PDT)
Roger Womack

Derrell, I have found when someone has something they are pretty good about sharing. You happen to be on a line that Beth is working and she has more than anyone. In Carlos Womack Tome he said "Settled on land inherited from his father John Womack and Hannah Headworth in Prince George, County, Virginia. Travis was present Oct. 7, 1792 during the account of the estate of his father.
Carlos Womack's says possible Children for Travis or his brother Nathaniel. James, Burwell b December 1748, Ephraim, Francis, Johnson, daughters Jane and Mary". However, Beth has found Jacob as Johnsons father, so Carlos was wrong or the info he got was wrong, there is no source info. This is a tough line and needs much more work. For years we were stuck on Thomas Womack and Louvisa Rice, recently we have pretty much solved that one. So hang in there, were working on it.


Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 08:05:56 (PDT)
Tammy B. Young

Yes and I'll be working on it now too. Trying to figure out or 'proove' who Thomas J. Womack's dad was. I have seen several submissions of information stating who Thomas J. Womack's dad was but I have never seen proof or the sources of where these submitted bits of info. came from. And perhaps we will never have proof of it? I honestly don't know.

I was thrilled that recently one of my Womack kinfolk sent me a copy of an old photo of Thomas Jefferson Womack. I had never before seen a photo of him. I had seen photos of his brother William J. Womack but never of Thomas, until now. I was thinking this morning, or rather, wondering, if that 'J' middle initial for Thomas's brother William, actually stands for Jefferson? Or could it stand for 'Johnson' perhaps? I'm sure I'm way off on that but was just a thought. I'm sure that the J must stand for Jefferson, as I have seen his name spelled out that way several times now. Thomas did not name any of his sons David so that surprises me a little. But possibly that 'D' middle initial for Thomas and Eliza's son Jonathan stands for David. Thomas and wife Eliza Jane Angelina ENSEY-Womack named their boys Thomas W. and Jonathan D. I have Eliza Jane Ensey's family history and so on and I wish I had half as much on Thomas's dad's family. On the original microfilm Census record I found some time back thru', listing James Ledbetter and Elizabeth, it shows James' middle name to start with a 'W' instead of a 'D'. There was a John D. Ledbetter living just down the road a piece from James and Eliz. however. One of the letters written by Thomas's son Thomas W. Womack that I have, is dated March 6, 1910. Thomas W. had gone out 'into the world' to 'make his fortune' and in 1910 he was writing the letter to one of his kinfolk Geno Buckner. He tells in the letter about the fact that he is at the present time about 40 miles from Seattle and was to start for Alaska on a Steam Ship, the 'Northwestern' which was scheduled to leave Seattle March 16th, 1910. He was expecting to be home in Oct. or Nov. He says that he will write again when he reaches Cordova. He did write one more letter after that one, to say that he was on a ship and was very ill. That was the last letter he wrote to his family; or the last letter they ever received from him. Thomas and Eliza never heard from him again nor saw him again. The family assumed that he died on the ship, for they did not see or hear from him again. He had nice handwriting and spoke as if he were well educated. I have the poetry book that is full of poems he wrote as a young boy and a few poems also that he wrote after he was full grown. He wrote beautifully. There is a nice photo of him on the front cover of his book of poems.


Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 11:11:17 (PDT)
Royce Gibson

Well, I think I answered part of my own question thanks to Roger's web site.

Susan E. Womack, daughter of Jordan Henry married John B. Ashley in 1880 in Lamar Co. TX - They are on the census page before Jordan and Mary. in 1880 in that county ED#74 page 35B


Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 18:06:31 (PDT)
Beth Howser

Tammy and Derrell,

I think there's little doubt that David was the was the father of both William Jefferson and Thomas Jefferson Womack. Derrell's source, the work of Patricia Cox Jackson, listed the line as follows: 1JACOB WOMACK M SARAH JOHNSON 2 JOHNSON ASHLEY WOMACK 3 DAVID WOMACK M ELIZABETH BRISCO/BRISCOE 4 WILLIAM JEFFERSON WOMACK M MARRY NELSON ENSEY. William Jefferson and his brother, Thomas Jefferson are both in the household of James and Elizabeth (Brisco) Ledbetter on the 1850 Collin Co., TX Census. Derrell, do you have actual copies of Patricia's research or did Janet just tell you about it?

I first found Patricia as a source for Johnson's RW pension apps in the Madison Co., (AR) Musings. Then I received a copy of one of Johnson's apps and a copy of a family group sheet from one of the WAGS bulletins, listing Patricia as the source of information. After much searching, I found Patricia as a descendant of William Jefferson's on Erin Dent's research on World Connect. Erin confirmed that the late Patricia Cox Jackson was Erin's mother's cousin. At that time I told Erin that based on Patricia's work, Johnson was David's father. I also didn't devulge my sourse with respect to Erin's family. The only reservation I had then was at one time, Patricia thought Johnson was the husband of Elizabeth Brisco. My best guess is David's (father of William and Thomas)name was actually David Johnson or Johnson David. It is pretty clear on the 1850 Madison Co., AR census that David is still alive (the age is correct for your David) and Johnson was not enumerated. And earlier AR census records have both David and Johnson.

Based on Robert Burke's work, Maj. Jacob, Johnson, David and my Larkin were together in TN......not all together, but different combinations at different times. The David I mention was not Johnson's son, but probably a brother of Johnson's. Since I found Larkin, David and Sally Womack together in Jackson Co., TN, there has to be some relationship. The William Womack on Sam's 1829 Arkansas Sheriff's census is the same William on Robert's 1830 Richland Twp., Crawford Co., AR census. His age on the 1830 shows to be 20-29. Larkin was also in Crawford Co., AR in 1830, age 40-49, but he was in Upper Twp. Larkin's William was not born until 1835 AR. So the William in Richland Twp. is still a puzzle.

So you see, Derrell, after all of this research, I still do not know my Larkin's father. Now tell me about frustration! When I first started working on Johnson, I quickly found his father was "a" Jacob Womack and mother Sarah Johnson. I wanted to say his father was Maj. Jacob, but without any documentation, I refrained from doing so....anywhere on the web. So, Johnson's father became the "other Jacob Womack". When Robert pieced it all together, I began to feel more comfortable with the idea. Most Womack and Bean researchers have Maj. Jacob's wife as Mary or Martha, and I haven't seen any documentation on those names from any source. Is either name a derivative of Sarah? I think we are so fortunate to have come this far. We have a cousin who goes to Salt Lake City on a regular basis and would gladly look up any records we name. That's why I wanted Patricia's census and tax lists....dates, counties and states. In reality, they're probably the same records Robert found.

Tammy, Boatman researchers have a Nancy Womack as the wife of James S. Boatman, brother to your Richard Gayno Boatman. One researcher has her date of birth ca. 1847 and the marriage ca. 1867, both in Grapevine, Tarrant Co., TX. On the 1880 Precinct 1, Jack Co., TX census, her birthplace is GA. Do you think this info might be in your Boatman records?



Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 20:27:46 (PDT)
Tammy B. Young

Hi Beth,

I was curious as to what your Womack line was and you answered that question in your post. Thank you for your posting, by the way! Well, I have several old letters of correspondence which are from Pat Jackson to my cousin. (not Erin but one of my other Womack cousins) I had not seen before however, the information you just posted where Pat had figured out who Thomas and William's dad was, and so on. I think that she is most likely right about it too. I don't know but it does make sense to me that David would fit in there better than Johnson or even Jacob. I have felt too that David's name might have been David Johnson or as you said 'Johnson David.' And I'm sure it's made it tougher on us because of the Census records before 1850 only showing the names of the 'Heads of households'. That hasn't helped. Yes, I know about my great great grandpa Richard Gayno Boatman's older brother James S. Boatman being married to Nancy Womack. Yes that's true, Nancy was a sister to Eliza Jane Womack-Boatman. I have a photo of James S. Boatman and it's a good photo of him. He is all dressed up in a western suit and was quite handsome. Richard Gayno was a very nice looking man as well and I have many pictures of him and his wife Eliza Jane, as well as photos of Eliza Jane Womack-Boatman's mother Eliza Jane Angelina ENSEY-Womack. I have quite a few old Womack photos. And I am SO very thankful to have them! James S. Boatman and brother Richard Gayno were sons of Richard Boatman and wife Mary Caroline GARRETT-Boatman. Richard Gayno was born 1865 in Tarrant Co. TX and James S. was born 1846 in GA. Nancy died and after she died, James S. went to live with the Indians in Oklahoma for several years. The family persuaded him to 'come back to them' so he did for a while and then he went to Silver City with his wife Nancy's people, the Womacks. He had a freight line there. James was killed by the Commanches in a massacre in the 1890's. I don't know anything about James and Nancy's children; if they had any or not; or what happened to them after Nancy and James died. The family has never known anything of their children so it leads me to believe that perhaps they had no children? I really don't know. I found two Womack girls in an Oklahoma Orphanage in Canadian Co., OK in 1920. The Orphanage was the Masonic Orphanage at Darlington. The two Womacks living there were named Maude and Ruth. Maude's age is hard to read, but it looks like she was 16 years old. No age given for Ruth. I don't think these were James' and Nancy's children, but the thought crossed my mind when I first found the record. I don't have a photo of Nancy but I do have photos of all of Richard Gayno and Eliza Jane's children. My dad who is still living looks very much like the photos of Richard Gayno.


Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 21:49:44 (PDT)

Beth, I'm sorry, I didn't answer all of your questions. No, I don't have a marriage date for Nancy and James S. I've never done any research on them either. I only have Nancy's birthdate. Which if one didn't, they could get that from the Collin County, TX census record. Also, I have never seen Pat Jackson's research or files. I'm sure it would be very interesting to read though. I did look in our 1981 Boatman Family Book and there is no date of marriage for James S. Boatman and wife Nancy Womack. I didn't think there was, but I looked again to be sure. And I guess I had a moment of being brain-dead while ago when I posted that message because I said that Nancy Womack was Eliza Jane Womack's sister, when I knew full well that Nancy was Eliza Jane's Aunt; not sister. We know that Nancy was born ca 1840. So she was just a few years older than her husband James S. Boatman. Eliza Jane Womack was born 1866 in Parker County, TX. She and Richard Gayno are buried in New Mexico.


Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 23:50:03 (PDT)



Friday, May 28, 2004 at 04:56:41 (PDT)

You know we all do a lot of supposin' in genealogy - so heres another one:
The DNA testing appears to show 3 different Womack lines apparently not closely releated -- Now on one, the Womack/Blanton relationship was shown --
One taking fathers name, tuther mothers name --

Now lets suppose that a William Womack existed, and he married a Widow Mary Judd Allen who just happened to have some Allen kids - who took their step fathers name...and then William and Mary had a few of their own - perhaps William had one or two from a prior marriage - it was not an uncommon practice for people to remarry quickly after the death of one spouse and for kids to be raised by a step parent --

So, Robert and Jack, has there been any cross check with any Allen DNA participants (if there any)?? Perhaps here lies one of our answers.


Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 01:04:53 (PDT)

Got the second testing of my DNA back -- results are different this time -
I match Roger on all but one, thats A10 and I am only one number higher than
his - on Darrell exact matches except he has no A10, C4 nor H4 posted
of course there is no 425 on me --

So Rog, and Darrell, guess we are stuck with one another as cuz!!!


Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 07:26:32 (PDT)
willie Eatmon

I am looking for,information on my great-great-great gandmother she was a full,blood Indian . her name was Patsy Holloway.


Monday, May 31, 2004 at 00:49:03 (PDT)
Tonie Mahoney (Bean)

I am the Great grand daughter of Butler Bean in Jasper, Texas-who was born in South Carolina. I am trying to locate his parents and also if he have other sibllings. Their names.Butler Bean had a son also name Butler Bean Jr who
married Caroline knighton, Butler Bean Jr. had my grandfather James (jim) Bean
who marrieb Lula Booker of Texas in Lufkin, Texas. Lula's daughter Elnora Bean
had my mother by James (Jim) Eddie Castle, also of Lufkin. Texas His father is ED Cassels.(Castle) ED Cassels wife Name is Susanna Pinson. My Mother name is Jimmie Marie Castle, (Cassels. My Father name is Charles (Tom) Leon
Tarver, His parents were Jessie Tarver, son of Sidney Tarver. and Francis Shepherd.All of Texas, I think the Knighton and Shepherd came from Louisiana I am Told.But Jacob 's father was born in Tennessee. And wife from Georgia. Please contact me if you reconize this family.


Monday, May 31, 2004 at 15:11:06 (PDT)

Gee Whiz!!
Did my supposing post lay a rotten egg?
Anyway - whatever!


Monday, May 31, 2004 at 17:17:49 (PDT)
Ann McDonald

Hi Sam! I was tempted to joke that your other DNA test was obviously for your alternate personality, but then I figured only you would find it amusing! Anyway, I was thinking about your post.
My objection to it applying to most of the lines is that the legal documents support at least William, Abraham, Thomas and Richard being blood relatives. Even if these guys were step-sibs and semi-adopted in, then legally Abraham couldn't be running around suing the daylights out of people for their property on the grounds that he was the eldest brother and so entitled to the property. Now, I'll grant you that John is another story....John is actually the odd man out in this story in fact.
The trick would be to find a striaght line male descendent of Timothy Allen, I suppose if one assumed that this was the male Allen connection.
BUT, remembering the estimate that 10% of all births are "non-paternity events" then chances are that in 13 generations there was a traveling salesman or two along a couple of the lines.

See, I wasn't ignoring ya, I was just pondering! Lots to ponder in light of your post, actually. Ann


Monday, May 31, 2004 at 18:57:27 (PDT)
Roger Womack

We do need more people in the lines to sort this DNA thing out. I believe my line comes from Abraham' his son Thomas and Mary Farley. Sam you come down Richards line and we have the same markers. I still think the question is in the line of Thomas' son Abraham who had the affair with Blanton. Just a guess at this point as we just don't have enough input from the different lines. However, I may be in Richards line but most of my family says it's Thomas, I just haven't found the proof either way.


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