April 2004 Message Archive
Thursday, April 01, 2004 at 10:36:20 (PST)
Jack Womack
jackwomack@grandecom.net

Hi Richard Allen Womack
I have ALL your family info from Abraham Womack b.1644 to the present along with all the collateral families and E mail addresses of many of your uncles and cousins. It took me a moment to realize who you were when I read your post. I am in almost daily contact with one of your uncles in Brownwood TX also have had coffee on a few occasions with your Uncle Holbert Zane (Bert) Womack, here in Odessa TX. I have your fathers birth date as Nov 17 , 1924 in Colorado City TX.
Contact me and I will share.
Jack


Thursday, April 01, 2004 at 14:13:15 (PST)
James M. Moore, Jr.
drjames@onlymyemail.com

I am descended from Isham Rice Womack & Mary Ann Steward. I'm unable to find anything about Mary Ann. Can anyone help?


Friday, April 02, 2004 at 16:30:55 (PST)
William H. Lacy Jr.
lacyk98@wm connect.com

My maternal Grandmother was Naomi Ruth Womack Harlan born near Paradise Texas about 1893. Married Louis George Harlan of Wise Co. also.


Saturday, April 03, 2004 at 11:30:58 (PST)
Carol Krajnik
carolk8013@earthlink.net

James, I show Mary Ann Stewart as marrying Isham Rice Womack. This information was found in the book, Descendants of Thomas and Louvisa Rice Womack. They are not part of my direct line and I have no more information on Mary Ann than her name and that she was of Scottish descent.


Saturday, April 03, 2004 at 13:56:56 (PST)
Teresa
asha@pine-net.com

My Great Grandmother was

Mary Ann Symantha Mathon Womack
b. 27 March 1872 in Alabama
d. 26 August 1932 in Holly Creek,Oklahoma
m. 14 February 1887
Was Married To:
Thomas "Tom" Barnes/Byrum

Mary's father was:
Wiley Womack b. May 1851 in TN
Wiley was a physician.

Wiley is listed in the houshold of his
son-in-law/daughter/grandchildren/and a son
In the 1900 Census- Prairie Co., Arkansas
Watensaw, Prairie County, Arkansas

Mary has a brother listed with her in this census
as P_____?? b. October 1875 in Alabama
(I have been unable to figure out this name).


I need all the help I can get!

Sincerely,

Teresa


Saturday, April 03, 2004 at 21:34:55 (PST)
Jackie Hand
jhand@cwnet.com

Hello, My grandfather was born inHuston Ark July 14 1892 He married Callie V Mc Callister Of Shawnee Okla She was born June 30, 1896 in Madieu? Modill? Unsure. Okla June 7 1914. Any one know these folks/ Please let me know. Sincerely Jackie Hand , Woodland Calif.


Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 09:06:53 (PDT)
Thomas Knight
tlknight@earthlink.net

I'm still searching for my G.G.G.G. Grandmother Sarah Womack (b. 1770). Does anyone have any information on the following Womack's:

Husband: John WOMACK Born: 19 JUL 1768 at: Caswell Co, NC Married: at: Died:
1794 at: NC Father:Abraham WOMACK Mother:Elizabeth ... Wife: Sarah (WOMACK).

Thanks, Thomas Knight


Sunday, April 04, 2004 at 10:51:40 (PDT)
Beth Howser
bhowser@alltel.net

Jackie,

Your grandfather was Robert Edward Womack, b. 14 July 1892 Houston, Perry Co., AR, son of William N. Womack and Elizabeth Leota Lawson. The Womack family Bible has he died 13 May 1951, but SS records indicate he died Jan 1972 Merced, Merced Co., CA. He was my grandmother's brother.

Beth Howser


Monday, April 05, 2004 at 18:31:53 (PDT)
Jackie Womack Hand
jhand@cwnet.com

Hi There. I have written you 2 messages and have not been succesfull in getting them sent this is my third try. If it goes through I will go from there. Jackie. For Beth Howser bhowser@ alltel.net


Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 07:01:00 (PDT)
Sam
samsawadee@netzero.com

Jackie
If you are using the address for Beth shown in your post below - that is the reason - you have a space between the @ and the 'a'


Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 11:33:38 (PDT)
candy
akackley@bootheel.net

I am seaching for information on my great grandmother Mary Elizabeth Wyomac (Womac). She was born 11-03-1872 in Elizabethtown Illinois. She married William Simms about 1892 in Illinois. She and husband William and children moved to Clay County Arkansas between 1906 and 1909. She died 04-26-1945.


Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 12:27:45 (PDT)
Sam
samsawadee@netzero.com

Candy
Perhaps this will help
Groom Bride Date Vol./Page License No. County
SIMMS, WILLIAM WOMACK, MARY ELIZABETH 09/11/1892 01 /144 897 HARDIN
Possibly William
William SIMS
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: <1874>
Birthplace: Illinois
Relation: Son
Home in 1880: Roseclair, Hardin, Illinois
Marital status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Head of household: James SIMS
Father's birthplace: TN
Father's age in 1880: abt 47
Mother's birthplace: IN
Mother's Name: Lucinda (both parents born VA)
Mother's age in 1880: abt 44
-----------------------------------------
One of these is Mary Elizabeth: from 1880 census
both Monroe, Hardin Co IL

Name: Mary WOMAC
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: <1875>
Birthplace: Indiana
Relation: Dau
Home in 1880: Monroe, Hardin, Illinois
Marital status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Female
Head of household: Luther WOMAC
Father's birthplace: IL
Mother's birthplace: IN
(had brother named Claud age 2 in 1880)
--------------------------

Name: Mary WOMAC
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: <1874>
Birthplace: Illinois
Relation: Dau
Home in 1880: Monroe, Hardin, Illinois
Marital status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Female
Head of household: James WOMAC age 31
Father's birthplace: IL
Mother's birthplace: KY
Mother name Sarah age 31
Brothers William age 8; James age 2
Sister Sarah age 4
-------------------------------


Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 13:14:14 (PDT)
Patrick
pwomack@carolinapca.org

I am looking for anyone related to William Wylie and Martha Prudie Cleek Womack, residents of Franklin County, TN, children: Robert, Ollie, Arthur Clarence "Ted" (my grandfather), Charles, and Irene. Thanks.


Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 22:30:18 (PDT)
Lorrie Schaefer
rlschaefer@earthlink.net

I am trying to locate information on John "Jack" and Sarah Ann Womack who were married in December of 1805 in Warren County, Georgia.

Sarah Ann was the daughter of Jacob Lewis and was born in 1786 in Wilkes, Georgia. John Womack was born in 1780 in Caswell County, North Carolina.

The type of information I am tryig to locate is where these individuals died and are buried. I have conflicting information on where these people were located when they died. One source indicates that they died in Georgia, another in Butler County, Alabama.

Any information you may have on these people will help me greatly.


Friday, April 09, 2004 at 19:11:58 (PDT)
Ann McDonald
quiltdog@yahoo.com

Lorrie, that would be John son of Abraham and Martha Mitchell Womack, and Sarah Avery Lewis, daughter of Jacob and Sarah Noland Lewis. John was the brother of my ancestor Mansel, Sarah was the sister of Mansel's second wife Mary Mariah (got that? LOL!) Most of the Womack/Rogers/Lewis family moved to Butler Co AL ca 1825 or so. If you want I can send you what I have back for both the Womack and Lewis families.

To the best of my recollection, Jacob Lewis died in GA, the 2 Sarahs in AL, and John I think in AL.....you'll find most of the family lurking around Butler Co in the 1840 census, although both Mansel and John had died I think. Sarah SR would be in her 90s at that point, I think she died soon after, and I'd have to check but I think she's probably buried on the Ridge....Sorry to say that the file with the Womack/Lewis census data is another room, so I'd have to go hunt it down.


Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 13:23:49 (PDT)
Michele
res0z7vo@verizon.net

I now live in CA but grew up in GA and ecently found an obit for a former classmate from high school. I was wondering if any one had any additional information, this is what I know:

Mr. Womack
Scotty Womack, 34, of 38 Colquitt Rd., Cedartown, passed away Monday, May 26, 2003. He was born January 19, 1969 in Floyd County. He was preceded in death by his paternal grandparents, Bill and Ruth Womack, and his maternal grandparents, E.C. and Ada Smith. Survivors include wife, Dana Womack; sons, Evan and Ethan Womack; parents, Johnny and Linda Womack; brothers, Danny and Jeremy Womack; in-laws Charles and Loretta Knight. Funeral services were conducted Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 2 p.m. from the chapel of the Gammage Funeral Home with Rev. Tony Cargle and Rev. Wayne Barfield officiating. Interment followed in Polk Memory Gardens. Pallbearers were Mike Casey, Steve Hall, Chris Ashley, Mike Hall, Scott Hall, and Tony Morgan. Gammage Funeral Home was in charge of the arrangements

Thanks


Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 13:25:39 (PDT)
Michele
res0z7v0@verizon.net

E-mail correction for previous post


Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 07:49:59 (PDT)
David Womack
dwwomack1959@comcast.net

Looking for any help finding any information on my Paternal Grandfather's side of the family, specifically anything on his father. Any help would be appreciated.

Womack, Granville Curtis B. June 24, 1912 in Leonard, Fannin, Texas
D. August 27, 1966


Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 08:01:53 (PDT)
David Womack
dwwomack1959@comcast.net

Sorry Accidently hit post on last message.

Looking for any help finding any information on my Paternal Grandfather's side of the family, specifically anything on his father. Any help would be appreciated.

Womack, Granville (Grant) Curtis B. June 24, 1912 in Leonard, Fannin, Texas
D. August 27, 1966 in Dallas, TX Buried in the Leonard Cemetery.
Married Vada Christine Swindle abt 1929 in Oklahoma.

Granville's mother was Birdie Elnora Bell, born October 12, 1898 in Fannin, Tx, Died November 12, 1966. She married twice, first to a Green and then to a Richardson. Granville is listed on 1920 Census for Shackelford County Texas as son Grant of Ed Green and wife Birdie Green. From talking to older relatives Birdie and Grant's biological father were never married. Birdie was only 14 when she gave birth and I am sure the whole mess was covered up.

Grant is listed on the 1930 Census as Gronnel (?) Womac and the census data indicates his father was from Kentucky. His Social Security Card Application indicates his father's name was Joe.

That's all I have again thanks in advance for any help.
David Womack


Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 15:00:17 (PDT)
clay carter wommack
cwommack@tampabay.rr.com

Does anybody know how that extra 'm' got in my name? We're from the Richmond area of Virginia.


Sunday, April 11, 2004 at 16:42:27 (PDT)
Sam
samsawadee@netzero.com

Yep
the extra 'm'comes from an uneducated census taker - phonetics in those ages were probably as worse as they are today -


Tuesday, April 13, 2004 at 15:44:54 (PDT)
Ann McDonald
quiltdog@yahoo.com

Ok, perhaps my brain is fried and just not connecting but....I've been going through checking old papers and files and things on the GA Womacks....
does anyone know who the William Womack was in Hancock Co GA in 1794 and 1796 tax lists? Logically he would belong somehow to Abraham Womack's family, but Abe's son William was a minor at this point.


Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 08:51:04 (PDT)
Don Womack
dfwomack@charter.net

Ref: http://www.cem.va.gov/newcem.htm This website came to my attention thru my wife's genealogical group. Many of you probably already know this site. But for those who don't, go to the site, choose graveside locator on left. It's slow and tedious, but maybe you can find something you need there.


Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 09:42:34 (PDT)
Patrick
pwomack@carolinapca.org

OK...let me back up a generation and try again. Does anyone have any information on the parents/ancestors of Charles William Womack (b. 1834 in TN)?He married Cintha McDuffie Womack (b. 1833 in AL, d. 1928)and they lived in Franklin County, TN. One of their sons, William "Willie" Wylie (1868-1934) married Martha Prudie Cleek (1874-1970) and they lived near Estill Springs (Franklin County), TN. Their children were: Robert, Ollie, Arthur Clarence "Ted" (my grandfather), Charles, and Irene (married Jack Statum). I have information on the family back to Charles William, but can get no further. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 16:48:46 (PDT)
Roger Womack
wgnwebmaster@womacknet.com

Patrick, I believe that Charles William Womack, was the youngest son of William and Frances. Although records have been kindof sparse on him, most of us now believe he was the son of Alexander. William 1st married Margaret Ellis and had some kids still not sure who but had approximate ages on censuses. Charles may have named his son William Wylie after his brother William Wylie Green Womack, but there is a bunch of Wylie/Wileys in that line. I believe the N. McDuffie who married C.W. Womack 7aug1859 in Franklin County Tennessee is one and the same, I've also seen Cintha A., as a middle initial, perhaps someone else has more. Get in touch I would be glad to share what I have.


Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 19:46:18 (PDT)
Robert Burke
robertburke@juno.com
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~reburke/lines/data/womack/index3.html

Hi Anne,

I think the William Womack in Hancock Co, GA in the lates 1790s was William son of Abraham Womack and Judith Minter.

There is some good documentation here:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=barjeanm&id=I2542

These Womacks apparently lived near and interacted with the Womacks from your Abraham (who married first Martha Mitchell). If you follow the link for Abraham and Judith's son William, you will see that Mansel and David Womack were buyers at his estate sale.

I find this very interesting, because your Abraham was clearly descended from Richard Womack and Mary Elizabeth Puckett, while the recent DNA testing shows that Abraham who married Judith Minter was a descendant of Abraham Womack and Sarah Worsham. We know this because of Al (Alton) Womack's test. Al is a direct descendant of Abraham who married Judith Minter.

So, here we have two Womack families in the same county at the same time. You would think they were closely related, but it turns out they were fairly distant. Despite the fact that they were distant cousins at best, they clearly knew of each other.

Here is another interesting link:
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ga/schley/military/1812/pension/womack.txt

I am pretty sure this Charles was the son of Abraham and Judith Minter. The RootsWeb info has his birth at 1766, but I have him in my 1850 Census records (Marion Co, GA) as 63, thus born 1776/7. This also jibes well with his War of 1812 pension that says he 83 in 1871.

I have been really studying several Womack lines, and trying to identify many of the Womacks in the early census records. I'm learning a lot, and coming up with some theories that I will have to run by the folks who having been doing Womack research longer than me. I'll be updating my census pages soon with annotations as to who many of these people were, and I'll certainly be asking for help in identifying some of them.

I have a question for you - in the 1850 Census of Nacodoches Co, TX, there is a George L Womac. He seems to fit as the George Lewis Womack, son of John Womack and Sarah Lewis, but I wanted to make sure.


Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 19:50:41 (PDT)
Robert Burke

Correction to previous post, Charles Womack was born circa 1786/7 given his age of 63 in 1850. My major in college was mathematics. :)


Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 20:56:22 (PDT)
Roger Womack
wgnwebmaster@womacknet.com

Robert, I think they thought they were related, I have a suspicion the milkman stayed over a little longer than he was suppose too in a few of our Womack lines.


Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 09:50:27 (PDT)
Ann McDonald
quiltdog@yahoo.com

Robert, many thanks! Sherwood and this Abraham would have been 4th cousins. I finally found him in the files with that help! I'll have to check on George L for you. Off the top of my head, his wife, Elizabeth Levingston, was a grandaughter of Mansel Womack - I know she died in 1833 and is buried in Womack cemetery in Butler Co AL - one daughter died in....1832 and is buried there. Leaving....George and son William Green - so I'll have to check the paper files so see where they ended up. I'm pretty sure they aren't in the cemetery there, though. I'm vaugely thinking that William Green was living with his Levingston grandparents in 1850 - leaving the location of George open...I'll have to check. Most of this bunch DID end up in Texas though - mostly Freestone Co, but some in Limestone. Ann


Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 12:12:22 (PDT)
Kelly
baudinomoneypit@cs.com

Do any of you Womack's know of a "Julie Womack", adopted approximately 35 years ago by the Womack family of Norwalk, Ca? "Julie was born in Bellflower, Ca and adopted at birth. Her adoptive mother's name may have been "Lillian Womack". "Lillian" was a diabetic and unable to bear children of her own.

Any info is appreciated. Thanks!


Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 18:08:26 (PDT)
Robert Burke
robertburke@juno.com
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~reburke/lines/data/womack/index3.html

To Patrick corcerning Charles William Womack:

Here are some rough census transcriptions:
1880 TN Franklin, 14 Dist, p.167D - Carles Wm Wamack (46 TN), Cintha A (46 AL), Emmer O (15 TN), William W (10 TN), Lucy Ann (10, TN), Ida O (7 TN), Tacy O (3 TN)
1870 TN Lincoln, 19 Dist, p.445 - C W Womack (36 TN), Sarah A (36 AL), M E (17 AL female), America (9 TN), Roxana (8 TN), Emma O (5 TN), Wm W (2 TN), Lucy (6 months TN)

Unfortunately, I cannot find Charles William in 1860; he was probably missed. No idea why Cynthia is listed as "Sarah" in 1870.

I am pretty sure Charles William was the son of Alexander Womack (c1790-c1837)and Mary "Polly" LNU (c1794-aft 1850). Alexander was the son of David Womack and Elizabeth Hawkins, from whom the Bedford Co, TN Womacks all descend. Alexander was in the 1812 Tax List of Bedford (which proves he was at least 21 in 1812), and in the 1820 and 1830 census. He has often been confused with his uncle Alexander, who, despite what you you can read all over the web, never lived in Bedford Co. Alexander died about 1837 in Bedford. A comparison of Alexander's family in the 1830 Census with Polly's family in the 1840 Census makes me pretty certain that Polly was Alexander's widow. In the 1850 Census of Bedford, you can find Polly Womack living with her son Charles, age 16. This is your ancestor, Charles William Womack.

Charles William has been confused with his cousin, also named Charles, son of William and Frances LNU. However, your Charles William was married in 1859, and the Charles son of William and Frances was 23 years old and living with his widowed mother in the 1860 Census (1860 TN Lincoln, 1 Dist, p.8), apparently quite single. This may be the Charles of this marriage record in Lincoln Co, TN: Womack, Charles W. to Malinda Panter 2/14/1861

Furthermore, William and Frances did not have a son named "William Wylie Green", they had a son named William R Womack, found in this Lincoln Co, TN marriage record: Wamach, Wm. R. to Catharine S. Bailey 3/28/1854. William R and wife Catherine may be found in the 1860 Census (1860 TN Lincoln, 1 Dist, p.14) and 1870 Census (1870 TN Lincoln, 1 Dist, p.164).

Wylie Green Womack was probably also the son of Alexander and Mary "Polly" LNU. So was John Hawkins Womack, Stephen Womack, and David Womack (Stephen and David moved to Arkansas near their uncle Michael Womack). If you look at the 1830 Census for Alexander Womack in Bedford and the 1840 Census for Polly Womack in Bedford, you will see that the numbers and ages of the boys match up well with Stephen, David, Wylie Green, John Hawkins, and Charles William.

Similarily, if you look at the 1830 and 1840 Census for William Womack and Frances LNU, you will see that all of their sons in 1830 and 1840 were still living with them in 1850, except for the oldest boy in 1830. Thus, all but one of their known sons can be accounted for, and they were not the parents of Wylie Green or John Hawkins.


Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 20:23:21 (PDT)
Royce Gibson
roycegibson@msn.com

Just came across two records in the 1870 Census for Livingston Parish, LA
Ward 2 Page 13 B
John Wammack 22 and wife Manny(?) 22 - both born in LA

Ward 1 Page 5 B

Henry Wammac 60, Mary 52, Cela 18, Delpha 15, Ludica 13 and Everett 8 all claim to be born in LA.

Thought this might be of interest to some - Hadn't seen much reference to Womacks in LA


Friday, April 16, 2004 at 17:37:42 (PDT)
Molly Strange
mollystrange@comcast.net

Searching for any anecdotal or other evidence as to why Samuel Womack b. 1848, Copiah County, Louisiana, changed name to Jefferson Davis Womack. I assume it must have been in the spirit of the Confederate fight, but I would like get my hands on specific details.... Anyone out there amongst ye have details, letters, evidence?

Excerpted from Judy Womack's study: "The son"Jefferson D." is not some child born after JACOB"S death. No, it is the SAMUEL who appeared on the 1850 census as the youngest and a two-year-old. In a burst of patriotic fervor or for some other unexplained reason he has agreed or has suggested that his name become JEFFERSON DAVIS WOMACK, and it will remain that until he dies."


Friday, April 16, 2004 at 18:40:56 (PDT)
Ann McDonald
quiltdog@yahoo.com

Robert, I think you are right. I think that's George Lewis Womack. And I think he was dead by 1860. Because in 1860, the family is over in Hardin Co., and Mary is listed as the head of household and landlady of a hotel. AND living there is Green Womack, who was 39 years old. Now, this could be son William Green, who would actually be 29, or brother Green, who would have been about 45 - but it wasn't nephew Green who was a bitty baby and in Butler Co or cousin William Green who was in Rankin Co., MS. Now, since brother Green dropped off the face of the earth and William Green is one of a bunch of William's around Butler Co....it's pretty impossible to say which it really is.....unless I track down the William Green who married Caroline Waters and figure out which is which - hadn't quite ironed that one out... but most of these guys did end up in various places in TX. Ann


Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 07:37:03 (PDT)
Sam
samsawadee@netzero.com

Browsing around and ran across this:

1830 Census, Shenango, Beaver, PA
Wamock, Hugh
Males: 2 under 5; 1 5-10; 1 40-50
Females: 1 under 5; 1 5-10; 1 30-40

Also was looking for Edmund Womack alleged brother of my 4th -- I know he exists for I have seen an old land transaction record stating something to the effect "Edmund Womack, and Mourning his wife, of Nottoway Co; and Jacob Womack and Mary his wife, formely of KY, now of Rhea Co TN." It was dated sometime in 1824 - Jacob was in Cumberland Co KY on the 1820 census as Wamok.

Anyone seen anything on Edmund???


Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 13:16:27 (PDT)
Tracie WoMack Easterling
tlwe@bellsouth.net

Molly,

Samuel Womack AKA Jefferson Davis Womack is in my line. In my files I show that he changed his name after he fought in the Civil War, and was known after that as J.D. This note is from records received from another family researcher. I have a lot of info on this line...now...thanks to the wonderful people here! E-mail me if I can help you.


Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 13:21:28 (PDT)
Tracie WoMack Easterling
tlwe@bellsouth.net

Royce,

Lots of Womacks in LA! I have found that many of my Womacks (and Dixon's) were regulars at going back and forth between LA and MS. I have found a Womack cemetary in Jackson Parish LA. I am going to check it out when my daughter gets out of school for the summer. I will be taking pics of headstones and posting a link to them.


Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 20:50:49 (PDT)
Robert E. Womack Moore
MooRob4@aol.com
NA

Sam: There is Edmund Wamac listed on the 1830 Georgia census in Putnam County, Unkwn township;
Edmund Wamac one male age 20 - 30 yrs; one male age 50 - 60 yrs;
one female age 60 - 70 yrs; no slaves.
Bob


Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 21:12:16 (PDT)
Bob Moore
MooRob4@aol.com

Sam:
I just found on further searching:
Upson County, Georgia - Courts Georgia Murderers, Murders and Murder Victims 1823 - 1840.
Item # 20. "On 24 June lat, William Robertson of Jasper County was murdered by Edmund Wamack and John Wamack of Newton County. Issued 6 July 1826."
Sad news.
Bob


Monday, April 19, 2004 at 00:27:56 (PDT)
bill m. womack
bmw@brazosnet.com

I am seeking info on descendents of Lee Andrew Womack which include:
Melissa Agnes Womack Dearing (1877-1955)

Elijah Bascom Womack (1879-1955)
Martha Elizabeth Womack Jones (1881-
Robert Munsey Womack (1883-
Anna Grace Womack Roper(1885-
Mary Summers Womack Hammock(1887-
Richard Wesley Womack (189l-19ll)
Martin Luther Womack (1894-1933)
Berta (Bertie) Cleveland Womack Tessmer (1899-


Monday, April 19, 2004 at 07:11:43 (PDT)
Royce Gibson
roycegibson@msn.com

Tracy,
There are also several Womacks buried in Springfield Cem. in Livingston Parish. I think I saw a listing for a Womack Cem. there as well.
The following are the names from Springfield

Eva W. Womack - 2/17/1877 to 1/9/1968
T.F. Womack - 10/21/1879 to 1/1/1959

Ben L. Womack - 2/8/1920 to 11/18/1970
Maruice I. Womack - 1954-1961

Ida Lee Womack 3/21/1889 to 7/19/1975 (many Lees also buried here)


Monday, April 19, 2004 at 12:35:06 (PDT)
Sam
samsawadee@netzero.com

Bob
thanks - Edmund was known to be in Nottoway Co VA in 1824 by the land transfer he signed with his wife -- he was allegedly the oldest brother of my 4th great who was born bet 1760 and 1770 -- the 50-60 year old male would have been born between 1770 and 1780 -- not impossible but interesting -- the female would seem to fit Mourning, Edmunds wife - but who knows, until we get a time machine, we in trouble methinks!! Will keep this as the only real evidence an Edmuns from the late 1700's existed...


Monday, April 19, 2004 at 13:54:32 (PDT)
Philip Lowe
plowe@tstar.net

In regard to Ann McDonald's post of April 16 regarding George Lewis Womack of Butler Co., Al.
George Lewis Womack m. Elizabeth Livingston. They had two children - a daughter and a son named William Green Womack. The parents died before 1850 and William Womack, aged 19 was listed in the household of Adam Livingston in 1850 census. William married Caroline T. Waters 3 Aug 1854 in Butler Co., AL. They moved to Freestone Co., Tx. cir 1856. William Green Womack and Caroline had two sons - Lawrence, born 1856 and William, born 1858. William Green died in 1858. Caroline continued to live in Freestone Co.


Monday, April 19, 2004 at 14:54:34 (PDT)
Tracie Easterling
tlwe@bellsouth.net

Royce,

TY for the info! I made a note of it. My daughter and I are cemetery hunting in LA, MS and Eastern TX this summer. LOL, she is 12 so you KNOW she reeeeeally looks forward to it!


Monday, April 19, 2004 at 14:57:59 (PDT)
Ann McDonald
quiltdog@yahoo.com

Philip, how good to hear from you! I found Caroline & kids over in Freestone in 1860. But that leaves us back with the question - who was the George L in the 1850 Census of Nacodoches Co, TX with family - then ends up in Hardin Co. in 1860 with 39 year old Green? A stray George L and Green? Elizabeth Levingston Womack and their daughter Sara are buried in Womack Cemetery, Butler Co, AL. Any idea where they buried George? Adam Levingston is even buried there.

Actually, I came up with an even more puzzling one - which is who the heck is Mitchell W. Glenn in 1840 in Butler Co.? Given who he was living next to, you'd take bets he was Mitchell Womack Glenn and a relation of Susannah Womack and Clement Glenn....but do I have squat on him anywhere in these files? No! Irritating. So, back to Oglethorpe Co GA to where Clement snuffed it to see if Mitchell gets mentioned at all.


Monday, April 19, 2004 at 20:54:10 (PDT)
Royce Gibson
roycegibson@msn.com

Question - Does anyone know about the Sam Womack who married Mary Emily Belle Long around 1875 or so? Doing a search on here for Sam Womack is a little futile. She was from Sebastian Co. Ark, born 6/9/1859


Monday, April 19, 2004 at 21:30:22 (PDT)
Bob Moore
MooRob4@aol.com
na

Sam: I did more searching tonight; found the following:

Edgefield County, South Carolina queries for fall 2000.
Submitter: Dorothy Groh (dlgroh@earchlink.net)
Date: 14 Oct. 2000
"Looking for information on families of William Jennings, Catherine "Catey" Dyke (Crute)Jennings, Boswell Smith, Humphrey Evans, Rebecca (Crute) Foster, Mourning (Crute) Womack, and Lamkin. Most lived in Columbia Co., Ga. but some resided in Edgefield or owned land around 1795 - 1815."

I Know many errors exist in LDS records but family search gives Mourning Crute's birth year as ca. 1767 (which fits with the 1830 census in Georgia)
and that she was born in Nottoway Parish, Amelia County, Virginia.
LDS further gives Richard Crute, Jr born ca. 1732 and Hannah Lamkin born
21 December 1734 as her parents. Further: the book " Virginia Apprentices of Virginia 1623 to 1800" shows a Richard Crute Apprenticed to a John Crosfield on 4/11/1748 ending 4/11/1752, to learn "shop joiner." His mother given as Rebecca Crute. I assume this means his father was dead.
There is also a record of Richard Crute being on land on one of the Forks of Nottoway Creek in 1767. I didn't copy the record. Bob


Monday, April 19, 2004 at 22:33:17 (PDT)
Robert Burke
robertburke@juno.com
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~reburke/lines/data/womack/ew/index.html

I have posted some Tennessee Womack records to my site (click on my homepage link). I have also updated the essay on Josiah Womack (son of William Womack and Lucinda Womack).

I took a quick trip to Nashville on Saturday. Had a productive day at the TN State Archives. I have a lot more data to type out, but the link above is a start. Found some interesting stuff, like evidence of Major Jacob Womack in Grainger Co, TN, and Johnston Womack in White Co, TN.


Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 01:27:58 (PDT)
Penny Ganje-Barton
pganjbar@msn.com

Thank you Mr Burke,

I have just read your essay on Josiah Womack and I am so glad someone else could see the obvious close connection between William R Womack and William "Buck" Womack's families.

William R is my great, great grandfather and I have been looking for his parents off and on for several years. I believed so strongly in the close relationship between these two families that I added William Buck's entire line to my data base.

I looked into the William Womack/Rebecca Parker as parents and came to the conclusion that no way could they have been his parents and for many of the same reasons you cited.

I also found data at this web site that listed a Francis "Frank" Womack and
unknown as his parents. This line goes back to Richard III. Put William R Womack into their search engine and look at the direct hits for him.

http://www.onegreatfamily.com/

This one made more sense than the William Womack/Rebecca Parker because he did name is first son Francis Marion, but I still had the "gut feeling" the connection would be found through William Buck Womack's family.

So I, for one, think you have made an excellent case for Josiah/Comfort as William R's parents.

Thank you,
Penny


Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 09:39:55 (PDT)
MARY ARAGON
RSBOOKERT@AOL.COM

HI- I AM IN SEARCH OF MY BIRTHMOTHER GUADALUPE ARAGON- I WAS BORN IN 1961 IN ALBUQUERQUE NEW MEXICO - IN BERNADILLO COUNTY- BACK IN 1962 IT WAS A INDIAN HOSPITAL AT THE TIME -BERNADILLO HOSPITAL- MOM WOULD HAVE BEEN 26 AT THE TIME. I WAS BORN 2LBS. 3 OUNCES - I WANT TO FIND HER TO LET HER KNOW THAT I AM ALIVE AND HAVE HAD A WONDERFUL LIFE. GOD BLESS YOU MOM IF YOU READ THIS AND THANK YOU PLEASE E-MAIL.


Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 11:56:39 (PDT)
Jerry L Griffin
g7347@teleclipse.net
MSNBC

In Wake county N.C. in 1817 a "Kinchen Griffin" married a woman by the name of Ferebe Womak, the same year a "Cannon Griffin" married Winifred Womack, they were daughters of Albridgton Womack. There is more information out there on the Womacks than the "Griffins" I believe that Kinchen Griffin and Ferebe Womack are my ggg/grandparents. I would like to know about her family along with Albridgton and his ancestors if some researcher out there has any info I would appreciate a reply.

Warmest regards,

Jerry L Griffin


Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 13:03:33 (PDT)
Ann McDonald
quiltdog@yahoo.com

Jerry, I actually have a few notes on Kinchen Griffen because of the name Kinchen appearing in my Womack family. It's not actually an uncommon name in NC, and there were at least a couple of Kinchen Griffins - one in Nash Co - who may or may not be the same guy as yours - because I don't have an age on the guy who married Ferebe Womack - Try Nash Co...where you may find this in ...the bastardy bonds. (sorry about that!) Aug Court 1789
Kinchen Griffin, child of John Griffin ["base begotten" crossed out] aged 13 years be bound to Wilson Vick until he attain age 21 to learn...planter.

He's a little old to be your guy, he'd have been oh....41 in 1817? But doable.
And worth looking into in the name connection.
Let's see, a Kinchen Griffin is in the 1820 Chatham Co census....
and we've got one in GA in 1840 and 1850 but I haven't looked them up to see the families.
There are a few more Griffins listed there in Nash Co bonds - there are alot of Griffins in Nash Co generally. Another Kinchen Griffin was born in 1838 in Edgecombe Co., NC son of Jonathan Griffin - which could be useful info.


Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 15:38:55 (PDT)
Sam
samsawadee@netzero.com

Fer Yer Infermayshun:

Talked to this lady today in line of bizness -- her mother-in-law has numerous info on Womack and some related lines -- I have E mailed her and also given her the URL for here and my home page --
Her husband was a John Womack, born in TN - recently died ...

Red Boiling Springs Branch Library
335 East Main Street
Red Boiling Springs, TN 37150
Librarian: Linda Womack

Perhaps we may obtain some more insight from a different source?


Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 03:30:32 (PDT)
Robert Burke
robertburke@juno.com
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~reburke/lines/data/womack/index3.html

Found this in a book at the TN State Archives, a deed index for Buncombe Co, NC

Grady, Henry to Wommack, Alexander, dated 16 Jun 1816, reg 3 Mar 1817, bk H, p.290, 200 acres, Mills River

Wammac, Alexander to Justice, Thomas, dated 23 Jan 1816, reg 29 Dec 1816, bk H, p.271, 275 acres, Shaws Creek

Wammack, Alexander to Bryant, Benjamin, dated 14 Dec 1813, reg ?, bk G, p.267, 300 acres, Mills River

Wammack, Alexander to Breant, Benjamin, dated 4 Oct 1815, reg 29 Dec 1816, bk H, p.277, 50 acres, Mills River

I am pretty sure I know who this Alexander Womack is. Here is a clue: In the 1810 Census of Buncombe Co, NC, Benjamin Bryant is on p.271, and James Buckner is on p.279.

Sam, have you seen these deeds?


Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 03:34:24 (PDT)
Robert Burke
robertburke@juno.com

Oops, I reversed the grantee and grantor on the deeds in my last message, so we have three deeds of Alexander buying, and one where he is selling.


Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 04:54:52 (PDT)
melody pruitt
mello41us@yahoo.com

i am trying to find information about my daughter who was born may 13 1981 at georgia babtist hospital in atlanta georgia. her fathers name was michael stephen hinnant. he named her lisa marie hinnant.she got sick in oct. 1981 in lee county alabama.her father got custody of her and made me leave the hospital so i went back to florida.i received a phone call from my friend barry noble white who lived in marietta ga. and he told me she died of meningities. now my friend abby tells me she had a cold and a small heart-mummer, but she said they did not say anything about meningities.steves parents lived in blairesville ga. and that is where they buried her at union memory gardens in blairesville. i need to know what happened to her.abby also told me that she got a call and a lady told her the foster mom went to pick lisa up from her nap and she was dead. according to the death certificate she died at 8:p.m. abby lived in alabama.was she in a foster home. i cannot get any records from social services in alabama. they said her records may be sealed.i have tried to get her birth certificate but i have not succeeded. thank you. melody married name is smith.


Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 07:02:54 (PDT)
Becky Davis
BADavis@ag.org

I am the Granddaughter of Edward Turl Womack (b. 1880's) (d. 1968 in Farmington, MO), born in Annapolis Missouri to Jasper Womack.

Jasper's sister was Rosella (Womack) Morris. She married Francis Marion Morris and lived in Wayne county Missouri.

Jasper's father was Abner Terril Womack who I believe was born in Alabama but lived for a time in Illinois.

I am looking for Abner's birthplace and parents.


Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 07:22:58 (PDT)
Robert Burke

robertburke@juno.com

Becky,

See this page:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dubbie/misc/womfarley/pafg13.htm#178

Abner was probably born in Jackson Co, AL.


Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 09:07:21 (PDT)
Nelson Womack
nwomack@neb.rr.com

Becky, Robert:

I've researching this family for several years:

Abner Terril Womack was born April 23, 1830 in Jackson county, AL, and died 1902 in St. Francois County, MO. He was a son of William Womack and Sarah McBee. He married (1) Lucinda Hahn May 03, 1849 in Perry County, MO, daughter of Christian Hahn and Elizabeth Grounds. She was born 1827 in Perry County, MO. He married (2) Mary Ann Pirtle February 07, 1865 in Perry County, MO, daughter of Isaac Pirtle and Susannah Wilson. She was born November 04, 1837 in Indiana. He married (3) Mary Johnson Aft. 1872.

In 1850 William and Sarah were living in Perry County, MO. and Abner and Lucinda were living in Cape Girardeau County next to Lucinda's Uncle John Hahn and Brother Jousha Hahn.

Abner T. Womack patented 40 acres of land in Perry County, MO on Sept. 1, 1859.
Certificate No. 29729

Abner T. Womack patented 166 acres of land in Perry County, MO on Sept. 10, 1859. Certificate No. 89123

1860 U.S. Census for St. Francois County, MO. Shown is A.T. Wommack, age 30, Farmer, Value of Real Estate 500, Value of Personal Estate 225, Born in Alabama; Lucinda, age 32, born in Missouri; J. W.(John William), age 8, born in Missouri; S.L.(Sarah), age 4, born in Missouri; C.L.(Christian Levi), age 6/12, born in Missouri.

Abner T. Womack married Mary Ann Pirtle February 07, 1865 in Perry County, MO, daughter of Isaac Pirtle and Susannah Wilson.

The 1870 U.S. Census for Madison County, MO showing Abner Womack, age 40, Lead miner; John Womack, age 18; Christian Womack, age 10; Julian Womack, age 5. Please note that Mary Ann “Polly” (Pirtle), Susanna Rosella, Jasper Marion are not living with Abner. It could be that they had separated already and the children are living with her in another household.

The 1880 U.S. Census showing Abner and family, but he moved to Iron County, MO and following people are listed: Abner Womack, age 50, Laborer; Johnson Womack, Wife, age 42, Keeping House; Robert Womack, Son, age 8; Daniel W, son, age 6; Perlenia, daughter, age 1. I believe Johnson is Mary A. Johnson, Abner’s third wife.

The 1900 St. Francois County Census shows Abner Womack, age 70; Mary A. Womack, Wife, age 62; Daniel W. Womack, son, age 26; Lelia P. Womack, age 21; Ellen M. Womack, age 19.

Children of Abner & Lucinda:
Abnor Womack, died infancy
John William Womack
Sarah L Womack
Christian Levi Womack
Julia Ann Womack

Children Abner & Mary Ann Pirtle
Susanna Rosella Womack
Jasper Marion Womack

Children Abner & Mary Ann Johnson:
Robert Terrell Womack
Daniel W. Womac
Lelia P.E. Womack
Ellen M. Womack


Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 13:24:20 (PDT)
Ellen C. Chavez
e.c.chavez@worldnet.att.net

I am looking for the marriage date for Helen C. Keeler to a Mr. (Allen) Kinne. They were married around 1866-1869 in Onondaga County, NY. I am also wondering whether both had died before 1880. They had two children, Fannie and Cleveland. Both children lived by 1880 with relatives in Iowa.

Thanks for any help.
Christina


Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 14:52:09 (PDT)
Sam
samsawadee@netzero.com

Robert,
Nope havent seen that I remember -- But as I remember, Alex was in NC on way from VA to TN where he eventually died (Bedford or thereabouts County)..almost has to be him (GGGGG-GF) as he is about the only Alex alive around that time?
other than his son born sometime near the end of the 1700's..


Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 18:31:08 (PDT)
Royce Gibson
roycegibson@msn.com
Lost Babies are us?

Maybe we should introduce mary aragon and MELODY PRUITT and together they could write syntactically correct inquiries on a relevant web site.


Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 19:48:25 (PDT)
Sam
samsawadee@netzero.com

Robert
Did some census checking - cannot find an Alexander in TN/NC/VA in 1810
but do have the following in 1820 Bedford Co TN

Michael Wammack 1..2.11.111.2
David Wammack 21...1.2111.2
Alexr Wammack 11..1.1.111.1
William Wammack 21...3.12.1.2
John Wammack 2.11.11.2...1
Hawkins Wammack 1.22..1.1.1.2


This was Bedford Co TN 1820

That NC stuff is great .. but who the dang heck is it?


Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 01:17:31 (PDT)
Robert Burke
robertburke@juno.com
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~reburke/lines/data/womack/index3.html

I think part of the problem with the crazy posts is that people (albiet, not too bright people) confuse this site with the WGN television site. If you search for "WGN message" at google, this site comes up first. Possibly if the top of the message page said "Womack Genealogy Network" in big letters, that would stop some of this. However, some of the messages may be dangerous - attempts to spread viruses, etc. I have even heard of "bots" that scan the web for public message pages like this, and put up crazy off-topic posts just to steer people to a website, or get them to respond to an email address. The only solution to that may be to password-protect the site. That would be unfortunate because it might discourage some people from posting, and it would be some work on the part of the webmasters (I know quite a bit about website programming, since I am one of the programmers for the CNN website, so I could certainly help). I personally would not mind logging in to this site, but others might. The problem does not seem to be that bad (yet).

Anyhow, back to genealogy...

Sam, I think the Alexander Womack in Bedford Co, TN was born circa 1790 and was the son of David Womack and Elizabeth Hawkins. I say this because there is an Alexander listed in the 1830 Census of Bedford who was only in his 30s (if you follow the link to my homepage, then to the early Womack Records, then to the census records, you can see this). Your Alexander (David's brother), if still alive in 1830, would have been in his 70s or 80s.

The article on the family of Alexander Sr and Martha LNU by Lucile Womack Bates in the Womack Genealogy newsletters has several mistakes. I think she knew the Womacks of Wilson Co, TN very well, but did not know the Womacks in Bedford too well. Unfortunately, many of her assertions have been taken as "gospel", and repeated over and over, so you will never convince many people that they could be mistaken (remember, if 1000 web pages say the sky is green, it must be true...).

One of her assertions is as follows:
Alexander Womack, Jr. - wife Sarah - migrated from Va. to Bedford Co,., Tenn. ca. 1806. Listed in Tax Lists of 1812 and 1820 census of Bedford Co.

Yes, there was an Alexander Womack in the 1812 tax list, and in the 1820 Census. There is no proof as to which Alexander this was. I think this was a much younger Alexander, probably David's son, given the age of the Alexander in the 1830 Census of Bedford. This Alexander Womack was still alive as late as 1835 (deed record in Bedford). I think he died in the late 1830s, and the Polly Womack in the 1840 and 1850 Censuses of Bedford was his widow - this based on a study of the composition of the family in the early censuses, neighbors, etc. If this Alexander was born circa 1790/1791, he would have been 21 or 22 in 1812 and thus old enough to pay the poll tax. In 1820, he would have been 29, which matches the 1820 Census, since the oldest male was 26-44. In 1830, he would have been 39, and the census again agrees, listing him as 30-39.

Thus, I conclude that the Alexander in Bedford was not your Alexander. There is also some "common sense" reasoning to suggest that your Alexander never got further west than Buncombe Co, NC or Cocke Co, TN (which were adjacent in the early 1800s). There are the deeds showing him in Bumcombe from at least 1813 to 1817. There is the fact that his son-in-law, James Buckner, was in Buncombe in 1810, then moved to Cocke Co, TN (proven by church records), then to McMinn Co, TN by 1850, where he and wife Judith Womack were living near your Womacks, descendants of Alexander's son Jacob. There is the fact that Alexander's son Buckner got a land grant in Cocke Co, TN in 1828 before moving on to Vermillion Co, IN by 1830, and McDonough Co, IL by 1840. There is the fact that Adin Mason, another of Alexander's sons-in-law, got land grants in Cocke Co, TN in 1824 and 1825 (a Goodspeed Bio on Burrow Mason of McDonough Co, IL says he was born in "Cook [sic] county, East Tennessee" in 1814 and that his parents were Adin Mason and Mary "Warmact"). There is the fact that Alexander's youngest son, Alexander (born circa 1798) married in west NC and was listed in the 1830 Census of Buncombe Co, NC as Alexander "Waughmick" (one of the best manglings of the name I have seen). The Goodspeed Bio of James Alexander Womack (IV) says his dad was born in Cocke Co, TN about 1802. We know from censuses that Alexander (III) was born in Virginia about 1798, but there must have been some connection to Cocke Co, TN.

So, unless Alexander and second wife Sarah McDearmon abandoned the kids and moved to Bedford, I doubt they ever got further west than Cocke Co, TN. If Alexander died in Cocke Co, TN, we may be out of luck, since all the early county records for Cocke are gone. The only info I have been able to find on Cocke before the 1830 Census is TN land grants (which were luckily kept at the state level), and some very early Baptist Church records. If Alexander died in Buncombe, then we may be in luck, since probate records supposedly go back to 1815 (though with some loss). In any case, Alexander bought a lot more land than he sold, so that land must have been disposed of somehow.


Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 03:17:57 (PDT)
DERRELL
dsrobinson2@cox.net

HELLO ALL I AM LOOKING FOR PPL CONNECTED TO THESE WOMACK MEN AND SOME WOMEN----JACOB WOMACK FATHER OF-->JOHNSON ASHLEY WOMACK BORN 1762 DIED 1838 (SERVED IN REVOLUTIONARY WAR AT AGE 75)FATHER OF--> DAVID WOMACK BORN IN TN FATHER OF--> WILLIAM JEFFERSON WOMACK BORN 1 FEB. 1833 MARRIED MARY NELSON ENSEY 13 MARCH 1856 WILLIAM DIED 29 SEP. 1889 (WILLIAM SERVED IN THE 19TH TX CALVARY COMPANY F 1862 TO 1865 RETIRED AS 4TH CPL) FATHER OF--> ISOM WOMACK BORN 4 NOV. 1869 DIED 8 MAY 1949 IN MARLOW,OK FATHER OF--> LUMON WOMACK BORN 31 MARCH 1902 MARRIED BEULAH WOMACK WHICH WAS HIS COUSIN LUMON DIED 17 NOV. 1965 FATHER OF ONNA BEVIA WOMACK BORN 11 OCT. 1931 DIED 23 DEC. 1982.


Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 06:11:06 (PDT)
Beth Howser
bhowser@alltel.net

Derrell,

I have no documentation to prove that Johnson/Johnston Womack was the son of "a" Jacob Womack. However I believe it is available and, I am in process of obtaining it. The source for this documentation is deceased. I do know the source was a descendant of your David Womack. I never found out from the researcher who had "Ashley" as a part of Johnson's name her source for "Ashley". Her research on World Connect is no longer available.

I have copies of two RW pension apps (1832 & 1837) Johnson made in Madison Co., AR, which were obtained from the "Madison County Musings". The apps do not list his parents nor his children. The person who submitted the apps to the newspaper is also deceased. This person named the abovementioned descendant of David Womack as a descendant of Johnson Womack. She named "a" Jacob Womack and Sarah Johnson. There is no proof as to which Jacob Womack she was referring to.

In the "Johnson Report", compiled Harold Johnson ca. 1999, Harold listed Sarah Johnson as the daughter of Joseph Johnson. Her husband was PETER WOMACK. In Will Book 2, Page 28 of Lunenburg Co., VA, Joseph Johnson's will names his daughter Sarah Womack. Harold Johnson also cites in a Lunenburg Co. court case ca. Oct 1761, JACOB WOMACK and his wife, plantiff, were awarded eighty six pounds ten shilling current money. Harold didn't specifically indicate this award was a part of the same suit Stephen Wood, husband of Ann Johnson, dau. of Joseph Johnson, had filed. Wood had previously filed a suit against Sherwood Walton, executor of the estate of Joseph Johnson.

I also have received from WAGS (Watauga Association of Genealogists Society) a copy of one of Johnson's pension apps and a copy of an ancestor Chart and family group sheet. The source was the same person who was the descent of your David Womack and Johnson Womack. The family group sheet has also been submitted by an unknown source on LDS's IGI web page: Johnston Womack, b. abt. 1798 AR, wife Elizabeth J. Womack, b. 1802 AR, married abt. 1832 Washington Co., AR. It lists some of the children of your David Womack and Elizabeth Briscoe. Your David Womack was not born in AR. I believe he was born in TN. Elizabeth Briscoe was born 4 Nov 1811 AL, according to some researchers. Elizabeth Briscoe Womack Ledbetter is found in the household of her son, William Jefferson Womack on the 1880 Jack Co., TX census. The family group sheet indicates the researcher believed Elizabeth was married to Johnston Womack and not his son David Womack: "Johnston Womack could have been married previously as tax receipts as early as 1802 indicate he was a great deal older than Elizabeth". To date these tax records have not been published by WGN researchers. It is an avenue of research I would like to see pursued.

When I told you I would like to gather my thoughts on Johnson Womack being the father of David Womack, your ancestor, I didn't know and still do not know if Johnson was the father of David or if they were the same person. It is not known the actual year Johnson died, but it was before the 1840 census. Your David Womack is probably the David Wamack on Robert Burke's 1840 Madison Co., AR census (one white male age 30-39). Nancy Womack, the last child born to David Womack and Elizabeth Brisco, was born in 7 Aug 1840. Not having found Johnson on the 1840 census indicates to me he was deceased. We know he was alive in 1837 when he made his last pension app. The researchers of your David Womack have believed David's death to be ca. 1845.

Johnson/Johnston Womack is currenly being researched by our WGN researcher, Robert Burke. The URL for his web page on Womack research is http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~reburke/lines/data/womack/index3.html
Under the title "Early Womack Records", go to "Early Tennessee Records". There you will find what is currently known about Johnson/Johnston Womack. There are also substantial early Arkansas census records available from Sam Womack and Roger Womack's web pages.


I wish I could be of more help! I always thought from the census records that my ggggrandfather, Larkin Womack, was the son of Johnson Womack. Based on the lastest information from Robert, an elder David Womack with Johnson on a lot of records could be Larkin's father! If you will check Robert's web periodically, I feel like there will be updates on Johnson.

Beth


Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 06:22:36 (PDT)
Beth Howser
bhowser@alltel.net

Derrell,

I guess I should have finished my sentence in the second paragraph: She named "a" Jacob Womack and Sarah Johnson as the parents of Johnson Womack.

More than likely the reason we find the researcher's data posted in the WAGS Bulletin is there were two Jacob Womacks on the Watauga Petition. Obviously she must have proven one was the father of Johnson.

Beth


Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 10:02:53 (PDT)
Sam
samsawadee@netzero.com

Robert
I broke these down with the help of an 1820 census form; but
it appears that the census info may be way off because all the oldest males
and females appear to be of the same rough time period....either that or
the markings on the census are off -but I counted them across and they fit
with the form I downloaded...

1820 Census, Bedford Co TN, Twp Unknown
Wammack, Michael (this cant be Michael who married sarah Jones with the birth range, he was born ca. 1794, give or take)
1 male under 10
2 males of 16 and under 26
1 male 45 and over (born 1775 or earlier)
1 females under 10
1 female of 16 and under 26
1 female of 26 and under 45
1 female of 45 and over (born 1775 or earlier)

Wammack, David (should be Michaels father?? if David son of Alexander and Martha..)
2 males under 10
1 male of 10 and under 16
1 male of 45 and over (born 1775 or earlier)
2 females of 10 and under 16
1 female of 16 and under 26
1 female of 26 and under 45
1 female of 45 and over (born 1775 or earlier)

Wammack, Alexr. (good question as to who this is with the young children, wouldnt say my 5th!!) unless grandchildren??)
1 male under 10
1 male of 10 and under 16
1 male of 26 and under 45
1 male of 45 and over (born 1775 or earlier)
1 female under 10
1 female of 16 and under 26
1 femal of 26 and under 45
1 female of 45 and over (born 1775 or earlier)

Wammack, William (hmm on this one could be brother to David, but..??
2 males under 10
1 male of 10 and under 16
3 males of 45 and over (born 1775 and earlier)
1 female of 10 to 16
2 females of 16 and under 26
1 female of 45 and over (born 1775 and earlier)

A bit perplexing, methinks; ah, but t'woultnt be genealogy then would it!!?


Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 23:00:42 (PDT)
Mary Etta Norsworthy
tnorswor@bellsouth.net

SOME Womack (Georgia) Deeds

GREENE COUNTY
Henry & Catherine Taylor to Abraham Womack, 287-1/2 acres, 08/30/1786

HANCOCK COUNTY
Abraham Womack to Sherwood Womack, 200 acres on Graybills Creek, 11/27/1792
Joseph Westmoreland to William Womack, 143-3/4 acres on Oconee River &
Shoulderbone Creek, 02/11/1802
Abraham Womack to Collin Pope, 150 acres on Fort Creek, Jan/Feb 04/1803
Abraham Womack to Robert Glenn, 240 acres on Fort Creek, 12/24/1808
Benjamin Read to Shearwood Womack, 130-1/2 acres on Grabils Creek, 11/14/1812
Abraham Womack, Adm of Est of William Womack to William Wallace, 86-2/3 acres
on Shoulderbone Creek, 05/03/1814
John Womack to William Womack, 225 acres on Grabils Creek, 08/31/1815
Jesse Lockhart to Wilie Womack, 244 acres on Powells Creek, 05/11/1821
Wilie Womack to Samuel Hart, 190 acres on Powells Creek, 11/09/1822

HENRY COUNTY
Mark Womack relinquishes to the State of Georgia, Lot #30, 7th District
03/10/1823 (Land drawn in 1821 Land Lottery)

HOUSTON COUNTY
Green Womack relinquishes to the State of Georgia, Lot #108, 15th District
03/10/1823 (Land drawn in 1821 Land Lottery)

Green Womack QUIT CLAIMS to David Jones, Lot #108, 15th District, 11/29/1825

JONES COUNTY
Richard & Maryann Brackinridge to Abraham Womack, 202-1/2 acres, Lot #37,
10th District 12/01/1807
Hillary Pratt to Abraham Womack, 202-1/2 acres, Lot #130, 11th Dist, 08/01/1810
Abraham Womack to Charles Womack, 202-1/2 acres, Lot #37, 10 Dist, 10/02/1810
Charles Womack to John Thomas, 202-1/2 acres, Lot #37, 10th Dist, 03/17/1824
Cassandra Womack relinquished Right of Dower

MONROE COUNTY
William Johnston to Abraham Womack, Lot #129, 13th Dist, 01/14/1822

UPSON COUNTY
John L. Davis to Degitchen Womack, Lot #299, 1st Dist, 02/03/1827
Degitchen Womack to John W. Brand, 50 acres, Lot #299, 1st Dist, 04/08/1829
Degitchen Womack to James B. Hooten, 150 acres, Lot #299, 1st Dist, 10/16/1830


Friday, April 23, 2004 at 18:10:15 (PDT)
Ray Bryan Womack I
womackrayb@olsusa.com

23 April 2004
To: Robert Burke
Dear Robert,
I am a direct descendant of James Alexander Womack,
Sr...Jr...III and after 40 years of searching, I can not agree with
you.
Alexander of Bedford Co., Tn was Alexander Jr. his wife being a
Sarah McDearmon or however one spells the name. She was his second
wife and they had no children.
Milly was Alexander's first wife and mother of Alexander III.
Proven by court records. Alexander III was in Buncombe Co., N.C.
and purchased land at the ripe ole age of 16 years. No record has
been found where he sold it, but I think when he sold out in
Buncombe Co., he went to Cocke Co., Tn. for a short while as he had
a child born there. He then went into the Indian area which later
became Polk Co., Tn., where he settled land that was given to him
in a grant when the government made a deal with the Indians for the
land. Being raise up there in the mountains, I do not think there
was a trail to travel to Polk Co., from Buncombe Co. except by way
of Cocke Co., Tn.
In reference to Lucile Womack Bates, I met her in Nashville abt
1981, shortly before her death. She was a pretty sharp cookie and
if there are errors in her records, then I truly believe the error
showed up in records other than hers. For that matter we all make
mistakes, don't you think?
Believe you will find the old gentleman in the census giving his
age to match those Tax records. Alexander Jr. died after 1840
census.
From WOMACK GENEALOGY publication pg 144; article by Lucille Womack Bates.
Alexander Womack (Jr.) was married to Sarah McDearmon in Prince George Co.,
Va. in 1798. In 1807 he and his wife Sarah sold their land in Campbell Co., Va.
(He was married twice. He lived in Lunenburg Co. at one time and in
1792 in Charlotte Co., Va. Elizabeth Womack, daughter of Alex Womack married
Henry Buckner.) Part of his wife's family must have accompanied them to
Tennessee for I found McDearmons in the records listed as living near Alexander
The Bedford Co., Tn. Tax lists for 1812 show an Alexander Warmick. There is
an Alexander Wammack recorded in the 1820 census Bedford Co., Tn. The article
goes on to state: "Alexander Womack died prior to 1846. ( no reason for
judgement is stated.) [RBW]
Lunenburg C
o., Va. Deed Book 17 pg 45, 11 Jun 1795
At a Court for Lunenburg County the 12th day of October 1797.
MILLY WOMACK wife of ALEXANDER WOMACK came into court and being first privily
examined as the law directs_______volutarily conveyed by the Indenture from
____ ALEXANDER WOMACK her husband.
Teste WILLIAM TAYLOR C of C
Recorded: Deed Book 17 pg 539
I'd like to know how you relate to the Womacks.
Thanks,
Ray Bryan


Friday, April 23, 2004 at 22:24:07 (PDT)
Roger Womack
wgnwebmaster@womacknet.com

Ray, it's just down right good to see you back on the net, I've sure missed you.


Saturday, April 24, 2004 at 04:52:45 (PDT)
Sam
samsawadee@netzero.com

Ray!!
Welcome Back!!
Anyway, couldnt agree with you more on the Alexander in Bedford being
Alex Jr - I ran an analysis of all the Alexanders I could find in the 1700-early 1800 time frame; and, he is the only logical one...

Unfortunately some lost soul had his father born in or around Hancock Co GA abt 1708; but we all know that is wrong -

The only thing is is the David shown on the 1820 his son? And is William his son also; with the Michael shown his grandson, son of David - the census ages dont jive at all -- shows them all 45 and over -- if that is so, then we have had a missing Mikey and Will somewhere!!

I have some material here sent me by someone I forgot (lost the envelope) that has the father and mother of a James Alexander Womack as Newton and Sarah Watson Womack - born in TN Nov 20, 1845 - havent ran across that one before - he allegedly was married 4 times and died in Gainesville TX, Mar 19, 1918. However, I ran into another group sheet in the same packet that has him as James Andrew!! So, someone out there enlighten me...!!

I will be compiling this into FTM and will have GEDCOMs available to those that request one at a much later date..the data is rather jumbled and about 1/2 inches thick on single pages and group sheets -- Numerous families not just this one -- will post when done - Have info on a Matthew W to complete first.

Again Ray, good to hear from you!!!


Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 08:10:46 (PDT)
Robert Burke
robertburke@juno.com
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~reburke/lines/data/womack/index3.html

Hello all,

Just got back from Raleigh where I had a couple of productive days at the NC state archives.

Ray, if you follow my homepage link, you will see all my Womack research that I have had time to post to the web to date. My grandmother is Thelma Womack Burke. Her great-grandfather was Burrell H Womack who was born in TN circa 1815 and died in Yell Co, AR in the late 1860s. This is where research on this line stood for many years. In the past several months, I was able to connect Burrell to Josiah Womack who lived in Carroll Co, TN and Hardeman Co, TN. In 1820, Josiah Womack was listed in the census for Bedford Co, TN. If you would like more details, please follow my homepage link.

I apologize if you believe I have denigrated the work of Mrs. Bates. Nothing could be further from the truth! Her work is terrific and groundbreaking, and establishes good solid links from TN to VA. However, she was mistaken on a few points. And yes, we are all wrong sometimes - I have been proven wrong many times before. That does not mean these things cannot be debated in a good-spirited manner. I hope you are open to at least hear me out.


I am not questioning the fact that Alexander married Sarah McDearmon as his second wife. I am saying that he never lived in Bedford Co, TN. I am not sure if you were referring to Alexander II or III when you were talking about "the old gentleman in the census". I have seen almost all the available early census records 1850 and prior for every Womack in every state and transcribed them at the link above.

There are very few mentions of Alexander Womack in Bedford Co, TN. Here they are:

TN Bedford 1812 Tax List - Capt McWilliam's Company
79 David Warmick
80 David Warmick Jr
81 William Warmick
82 Alexander Warmick


1820 Census
30 Wammack Alexr 110010 10111 1 Ag TN Bedford ntl 122 38 73

1830 Census
15 Wommack Alexander 1210 01 1211 01 14 TN Bedford ntl 174 88


TN Bedford deeds - M H Prewett to Alex Wammock 1835 bk EE p.207 (I have not yet seen the actual deed).

TN Bedford Cancery court - Feb Term 1846, p.3-4 - James B Reagor vs Hawkins Womack and others. I have photocopies of WPA transcript of the lawsuit; I will be tying out the full text on my website. Mentions "Alexander Womack dec." Basically says that before Alexander Womack died, he sold the 47 acres of land he had bought from Moses H Prewitt to Joseph Watson, who in turn sold the land to John Gobble and Norman Finney, who in turn sold it to the complaintant (James B Reagor). The court removed the claim of Alexander Womack's "widow and heirs at law". In addition, Hawkins Womack made an entry for and received a land grant which partially overlapped the 47 acres in question, but it was not clear to the court to how large the overlap was.

That is it - those are all the records I have found that mention Alexander Womack in Bedford Co, TN. As Sam rightly points out, the numbers for the Womacks in the 1820 Census of Bedford (p.38-39) seem skewed. Most of the Womack heads of households seem too old. I cannot explain this, other than to say a lot of mistakes were made in the census records, both at the time of enumeration, and when copies were made by hand.

However, Alexander was shown as male 26-44 in 1820. There was no male over 45 in Alexander's household. In 1830, Alexander was shown as a male 30-39 years old, with several young children. I have been completely through the tax lists for Bedford for the years 1836, 1837, 1838, and 1839. Alexander does not appear as a poll or a land owner (the Womacks who do appear in various years are Hawkins, Michael, and Charles W). Alexander was likely dead by 1836, and he does not appear in the 1840 Census. Polly Womack does appear in Dist 24, which was adjacent to Dist 22 in which Hawkins appears. If you take the numbers for Alexander's children in 1830 and project them 10 years ahead, you have a very good match Polly Womack's household. In 1850, Polly Womack was listed in Dist 24 of Bedford Co, TN. She was 56, and had with her Charles Womack, age 16.

I conclude that the Alexander Womack in early Bedford Co, TN records was born circa 1790 and was likely the son of David Womack and Elizabeth Hawkins, David being the son of Alexander Womack, Sr and Martha LNU.

**************************************************************
Back to Alexander III - here is what I have on him:

1830 NC Buncombe, p.214A - Alexander Waughmick - 0102-31001, 8 total

1840 TN Polk p.12A - Alexander Worck - 100101-223001, 11 total, 2 in agriculture

1850 TN Polk, Dist 3 Subdivision 25, p.200A - Alexander Wammick 53 M W Farmer VA, Freelove 45 F W NC, Dilla A 20 F W NC, Margrett 15 F W NC, John 13 M W NC,
Serippa 10 F W TN, Ransom 9 M W TN, Elizabeth 5 F W TN, Eliza T 4 F W TN,
Sinda 2 F W TN [NOTE: indexed as Alexander Warniah.]

1860 TN Polk, Dist 6, PO Springtown, p.415A - Alexr(?) Wamack 60 M W Farmer VA, Frelove 58 F W NC, Ransom A 18 M W farm labor TN, Elizabeth 15 F W TN,
Elijah 14 M W TN, Lousinda 12 F W TN [NOTE: indexed as Alamo Wamack.]

1870 TN McMinn, Dist 8, PO Athens, p.87B, house 89, family 89 -
Wommack Alexander 70 M W Farmer VA, Freelove 65 F W NC, Farris Meredith 20 M W TN, Linda 23 F W TN, Alexander 1 M W TN

The Alexander "Worck" in the 1840 Census of Polk Co, TN was likely Alexander Womack. I compared neighbors in 1840 and 1850 and found several that were the same.

I also have land grant for Alexander in Polk Co, TN in the early 1840s.

According to the Goodspeed Bio of James Alexander Womack (IV), his dad, Alexander III, was born in Cocke Co, TN about 1802. I think Alexander III was a little older, and definitely born in VA. If he was the one buying land in Buncombe Co, NC on 14 Dec 1813, he would be only 11. According to the censuses, Alexander III was 53, 60, and 70 in the 1850, 1860, and 1870 Censuses respectively. Thus, he was born sometime between 1796 and 1800. Unless you have other evidence of Alexander III's birth date, I place his birth about 1798 - the 1860 and 1870 censuses outweigh the 1850 census. That would make him at most 15 when the land was purchsed in Buncombe in 1813.

I will check the laws of North Carolina to see at what age it was legal to buy and sell land. I have read that it was 19 in the mid-1700s, but I am not sure what it was in 1813.

I abstracted the four deeds in Buncombe involving Alexander Womack, and I photocopied the earlist one. I will type it out in full on my website. If you would like a scanned copy, I can email it to you. Here is the abstract of the earliest deed:

Buncombe Co, NC Deeds - Book G, p.267
14 Dec 1813, Benjamin Bryant of Buncobme Co, NC to Alexander Wammock of Cocke Co, TN for $545, 300 acres MOL, 200 acres on the N Fork of Mills River and 100 acres on the west side of the French Broad River on the waters of Mills River, witnesses Wm T Musgrove, Henry Buckner, and Buckner Wamock, proved Oct session 1814 by Henry Buckner.

I highly doubt the Alexander in this deed could be Alexander III. He would be about 15, and I doubt it was even legal to buy land at that age. It also begs a lot of questions. If he was that young, what was he doing away from his parents, supposedly in Bedford Co, TN? Also, where does a 15-year-old come up with $545 cash in 1813?

Given that Alexander Womack II had two sons (Buckner and Alexander III) and at least two daughters (Judith wife of James Buckner and Mary wife of Adin Mason) who were in the area of Cocke Co, TN, I find it hard to believe that Alexander Womack II was in Bedford (especially since the Alexander who was in Bedford in 1830 was only in his thirties).

I have read Mrs Bates' essay several times, and I can find nothing there that convinces me that Alexander II was ever in Bedford. The fact that McDearmons lived in the area is inconclusive - I can counter that Buckners, Masons, Driskills, etc, lived in Cocke Co, TN.

So, I think I have stated my case fairly well. I think it is important to remember that there only 5 records that show there was ever an Alexander Womack in Bedford Co, TN. With such scant documentation, it is easy to read too much into it. I have tried to be as careful and as logical as possible. I fully understand Mrs. Bates' interpretation given that she had apparently not tied the Womacks in East TN to Alexander II at the time that she wrote her essay. However, new information comes to light, and we are forced to alter some of our earlier presumptions. If you can see a flaw in my reasoning, I would be happy to discuss; please tell me about your documentation. Mrs Bates' essay (or any essay for that matter) is not documentation in and of itself, rather it points to the source documents.

Anyhow, let me know if you would like a copy of the 1813 Buncombe deed.


Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 09:05:49 (PDT)
Thomas Knight
tpknight@earthlink.net

To: Robert Burke

Robert, here's a Womack I think you missed. It's the 1850 Tallapoosa, AL census.

260 260 Thomas Knight 54,m,farmer,SC
Rebecca 53,f………,SC
Sarah Womack 80,f………,SC
Calvin Knight 18,m……..,SC
Thomas A. 16,m….….,SC
Richard 14,m……..,GA
Asa W. (M?) 12,m……..,GA
Rebecca J. 8,f……….,AL
Polly Ann 5,f………,AL
Catherine Bishop 19,f….……,AL

Sarah Womack was said to be Rebecca's mother.

Thomas Knight


Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 09:45:39 (PDT)
Robert Burke
robertburke@juno.com
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~reburke/lines/data/womack/index3.html

Thanks Thomas, I actually saw those but skipped them because I thought the name looked like "Wornick". If you are sure they were Womacks, I'll add them.

I think that Joel and Henry Womack in 1850 in Tallapoosa were the sons of Bird Womack who was in the 1840 Census of Stewart Co, GA. I wonder if Sarah could be Bird's widow? Bird was in the following GA counties: Greene, Gwinett, DeKalb, Cobb, and Stewart. Does that match up with any of your Knight data?

BTW, this Bird Womack has been confused with another Bird Womack, son of Thomas Womack of Rowan Co, NC. Bird, son of Thomas, can be proven to be in Warren Co, KY at the same time that the Bird Womack I am referring to was definitely in GA (he served in the War or 1812 in GA).


Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 12:04:35 (PDT)
JOHN TIERNAN
jtier@att.net

I'm trying to locate Alan Womack who lived and worked for a time in or near Chattanooga, TN. He worked for the Planters Peanut Snack Company. Also, he lived in Winston-Salem, NC from about 1987 to 1990/91.
I know of someone who would like to contact him about a type of manufacturing consulting.

Please contact me if anyone has anything on this.
Many Thanks,

John Tiernan
PH: 301-469-6253
email: jtier@att.net


Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 12:17:02 (PDT)
Thomas Knight
tpknight@earthlink.net

Robert:

Thank you. I'm fairly certain it's Sarah Womack in 1850 Tallapoosa AL census because that's what I have in all the data I've collected. And I have transcribed directly from a vey good census image myself. But with the census taker handwriting....... well one is never absolutely certain.

The Thomas Knight family did swing SC>GA>AL>AR so you have given me some new leads to follow. I had given up on my Sarah Womack after doing considerable searching for her ancestry without success.

Thanks!!
Thomas Knight


Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 17:02:23 (PDT)
David Dunn
dadunn@terranova.net

Hello folks. Sorry to be away so long: but I have monitored the site. Lots of interesting stuff recently which will lead to a comment. In the meantime I will inquire again about two Womack occurences in my life. First, does anyone know anything about a Womack family who lived in El Paso Texas in the 1940s/1950s on Nashville Street - across the street from me? Second, is anyone connected to, or does anyone know about, the family of Jack Womack, my valued friend and distinguished Harvard historian? Thanks, David.

 


Monday, April 26, 2004 at 11:47:41 (PDT)
Philip Lowe
plowe@tstar.net

Ann, in my earlier message I said that George Lewis Womack died before 1850. I do not know that for a fact. Do you have any information on his brother, Green. Could this be the two that you found in Hardin County, Tx in 1860?


Monday, April 26, 2004 at 18:25:39 (PDT)
Robert Burke
robertburke@juno.com
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~reburke/lines/data/womack/index3.html

I have posted some of the North Carolina Womack records I found while in Raleigh. Still a lot more to type.

I typed out the entire estate record for Britain Womack (1817 Chatham). There is a small abstract of the estate records in one of the old Womack newsletters. One thing the abstract did not make clear is that Wiley Womack, the administrator of Britain's estate, was also his son. Also, it clearly states that Britain Sr had two sons named Britain. I have told Roger my theory on this.

Another small ommission from the article in Womack newsletter - the will of John Rorie in Halifax Co, NC also lists "grandson John Womack" in addition to those listed in the article.

The Womack Register has the James Womack who married Sarah LNU and who was in Wright Co, MO in 1850 and in Webster Co, MO in 1860 as the son of John Womack and Elinor Rorie. Unless I am missing something, this seems incorrect, because the James in Wright Co, MO in 1850 was only 56 (thus born circa 1793), whereas John Rorie named James Womack, child of his daughter Elinor, in his will in 1782.

This is only theory so far -

John Womack had lots of dealing with the Dillards in Chatham Co, NC as evidenced by multiple Dillard deeds in which John was a witness or neighbor. William Dillard sold land to John Womack in Chatham in 1791. According to this data on the Dillard family (http://www.genealogy.com/users/r/o/b/Chuck-Roberts/FILE/0015text.txt), this same William Dillard was the father of Elizabeth Dillard who married James Womack in Sumner Co, TN in 1793. James Womack is on the 1820 census of Smith Co, TN which was formed from Sumner. By 1830, James is no longer in Smith Co, TN, but Alfred and a younger James Womack were there in later censuses. The younger James Womack was sued in Smith Co, TN Chancery court in 1842 by some Dillards. Here is where it gets a fuzzier - I think James Womack Sr was the James Womack in the 1830 Census of Tipton Co, TN. He died before 1840, and his widow Elizabeth and at least two of her sons moved to Dallas Co, AL. John H D Womack was a lawyer in Dallas Co, AL (listed in the 1840, 1850, and 1860 censuses there) and his mom Elizabeth Dillard Womack was with him in 1850. Somewhere in the Dillard tree was a John Henry Dillard, who may be whom John H D Womack was named after. In the 1840 Census of Dallas Co, AL, there was also a Henry H Womack. By 1850, he shows up in DeSoto Pa, LA. In Roger's Texas land records, Henry H Womack bought some land in adjacent Panola Co, TX.

Anyhow, just a theory.


Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 12:43:04 (PDT)
DERRELL
dsrobinson2@cox.net

I AM SEARCHING FOR ANY WOMACKS WHO WERE BORN OR LIVED IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY VIRGINIA. POSSIBLY MOVED TO MADISON COUNTY ARKANSAS.


Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 17:53:30 (PDT)
David Dunn
dadunn@terranova.net

Robert, Ray and all. I can't tell for sure from your correspondence who is the Alexander you are talking about and his relation to other Womacks but he seems to be born late in the 18th Century, and to have married a McDearmon (a family of multiple spellings). This may be telling you something you already know, but do you know there was contact a generation earlier between Womacks and MacDearmons? Specifically Michael MacDermondrove on 14 February 1756 obtained a Patent (Book 32 p. 669) for land bounded by Richard Womack (Richard III). This land was sold by Dudley (he signed McDearmon), Michael's son, to George Moore on March 24, 1767. (Charlotte Deed Book 1). It was again listed as bounded by Richard Womack. This land was on the head branches of Little Roanoke. Further, one James MacDearmon on February 20,1769 witnessed a deed to James Archdeacon (James Archdeacon Cody III) a son-in-law of Richard Womack III on branches of Buffalo and Wards Fork (Prince Edward Deeds).These properties were within a mile or so of each other on the present border of Charlotte (once part of Lunenburg) and Prince Edward counties.


Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 21:03:35 (PDT)
Sam
samsawadee@netzero.com

Well - sent in my second DNA sample and will see if it gets done in time this time -- still wondering about that marker 425 tho and why not in the new DNA check for Fred and I -- it has to have some significance or it wouldnt be rare that I have none???

If I havent lost them, I have a list of about 15 Alexanders from the 1700's and 1800's - there was one in KY in 1805 but dont think that one counts -- It is quite possible that David, son of Alex Sr, had a son named Alexander---but I have never seen one listed for him in any of the family groups on David -- What I am wondering is why Jacob never named anyone after his father - not James nor Alexander --- but Jacob was the son of an Alexander as evidenced by the marriage bond he signed for William m. Ellis as "Jacob son of Alexander"..

This DNA thing that appears to show 3 different, not closely related Womack lines - would indicate that Abraham of the Blanton tryst, and his father, brothers and etc were not related to Richard I or II unless as step children somewhere along the line that took the stepfathers name and kept it thru the years..

Lets suppose there was a William who m. Mary Judd Allen - she was supposed to be a widow wasnt she?? and she had some children that took Williams name,
him being a step father; and when he and Mary had children, became half siblings to those -- mebbe that is where the split was??? Would be interesting to compare some Allen DNA with those other two lines wouldnt it??? As well as some of the Pucketts??
Heck, sometimes all we got is supposin' aint it?? Ahh, the thrill and the agony of it all!!


Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 22:00:19 (PDT)
Melinda Massey
mella38@aol.com

I am searching for information on a Lucinda Warmick Born abt. 1829 GA. who married James M. Chandler Born abt. 1820 GA.
These are the GG - Grandparents of my Uncle and I am doing research for him.
He descends through their son, Robert M. Chandler Born 10/1858 GA, who married a Marion Lillian ? Born 1/1860.
One of Robert and Lillian's daughters is my Uncle's Grandmother. Not sure which one was, they had 3, Marthie W., Leanora L. "Nora", and Ada B./Isabell (not sure if this was one person or two).
This family started out in Georgia, then went to Alabama, and ended up in Arkansas.
Would appreciate any help!
Melinda Massey
Chickamauga, GA


Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 07:54:22 (PDT)
Robert Burke
robertburke@juno.com
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~reburke/lines/data/womack/index3.html

Melinda,

Lucinda may have been the daughter of John Warmack of Habersham Co, GA. Lucinda and husband James Chandler were in Carroll Co, GA in 1860 (p.384). Carroll is adjacent to and south of Harralson Co, GA. In the mid-1800s, Carroll Co, GA was adjacent to Benton Co, AL which was later renamed Calhoun. The east part of Calhoun, adjacent to Carroll, later became Cleburne. In 1840, Jesse Warmack, son of John Warmack, was in Carroll Co, GA, in 1850 he was in Benton Co, AL, and in 1860 he was in Harralson Co, GA. John Warmack was in Habersham Co, GA in 1840, in Benton Co, AL in 1850, and must have died before 1860, because I have not been able to find him (I have found very little of his family). In the 1850 Census of Benton Co, AL, John's children were listed by initials only. There is an "L", 23, female, born in GA, in John's household who may be the Lucinda you are looking for. Please note that not all the Womacks in Benton Co, AL in 1850 were part of John Warmack's family; some were part of the "Thomas & Louvisa" clan.

You can see the census transcriptions for the Womacks at my page (follow my home page link). Here is a web page for the descendents of John Warmack - http://paynedaniel.com/lowar2/d1.htm#g1

Since Lucinda and her kids by James Chandler were in the same counties as the Warmacks (per your earlier post where you said the kids were in Harralson after the Civil War), and you have her maiden name as Warmick, I would say there is a good chance she was John Warmack's daughter.


Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 08:33:09 (PDT)
Robert Burke
robertburke@juno.com
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~reburke/lines/data/womack/index3.html

Melinda's message got me looking and I found a few more of John Warmack's kids.

John's household in the 1850 Census of Benton (p.299a) looks like this:
33 Womack John 61 M W Farmer 300 SC
34 Womack S 51 F W SC
35 Womack L 23 F W GA
36 Womack C M 22 F W GA
37 Womack W L 17 M W Farmer GA
38 Womack N A 14 F W GA
39 Womack J L 12 M W GA
40 Womack S C 10 F W GA
41 Womack L B 6 M W GA
42 Womack S 4 F W GA

I found the two youngest in Haralson (1860 GA Haralson, 2 Dist, p.328) - Lewis B Wamuc 16 AL, and Susannah Wamuc 14 AL living with the family of Alfred H Green (44 GA) and his apparent wife Exer? D (29 GA).

Also in Haralson (1860 GA Haralson, 2 Dist, p.335) - Clerisa Wamuck 30 GA, John M Wamuck 2 AL, and Flory Wamuck 14 GA. Clarisa was probably the "C M" in John Warmack's household in 1850. In 1860, Clarisa is listed as cook for the family of Richard and Mary Jordan. Clarisa was double-enumerated, since I also found her in Calhoun Co, AL (1860 AL Calhoun, T15 R12, p.453) as Clarisa Warmack 30 GA, followed by John M 2 AL; they are living with Rheubin? J and Mary A Jourden. John M Warmack may have been Clarisa's son born out of wedlock.

Jesse Warmack and family are also in Haralson (1860 GA Haralson, 1 Dist, p.318).

In Carroll Co, GA I found Linsey "Wamack", age 28, GA (1860 Carroll, 10 Dist, p.349) with wife Julia E and children. Linsey may have been the "W L" age 17 in John Warmack's household in 1850.

That just leaves three of the girls in John Warmack's household in 1850, N A, J L, and S C. They must have either married or died by 1860. If anyone has any info on these Warmacks, please let me know.


Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 10:11:25 (PDT)
Sam
samsawadee@netzero.com

be careful the bugs are crawling again - I just got one here at work subject forum something with a .vbs file attached, from someone I know and it had a bug - luckily our system here at work caught and smacked it right away --


Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 18:48:43 (PDT)
Tina Nelson (Nee Trussell)
Tinja61@mail.com
None

Ok, I'm lost and seem to be hopelessly stuck. Here's all I have and what I believe to be accurate.

Me - Tina Lavonne Trussell born 8 June 1961
Edward Trussell born 12 April 1941 - died 26 Feb 1993
Edna Lois Womack born 21 Dec 1943 - died 15 Mar 2000
Claud Arthur Womack born 23 Feb 1906 - died Nov 1977
William Riley Womack born 1876
(2 different census data one says Canada other Kentucky)
Alma B Vic born 1888
+Wanda Mae born 02 Feb 1925

Claud's siblings include Maud, Riley, Paul, Luther and I believe Arsey and Dollar, These may have been step brothers or half brothers, I'm not really sure.

I believe that I have found William in the 1880 census, he was 4 years old, his siblings were Thomas, 7, and Cordelia 1. According to this census both Thomas and Cordelia were born in Kentucky, but William was listed as born in Canada. His father was Thomas born in Va about 1844, his parents are also listed as born in Va. His mother was Jane born in Pa about 1848, her parents are both listed as born in Ireland.

Any help out there? Thanks in advance.

Tina


Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 19:57:21 (PDT)
Robert Burke
robertburke@juno.com
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~reburke/lines/data/womack/index3.html

In regards to my earlier message where I said that Linsey "Wamack" might be a son of John Warmack - scratch that. I did a little more searching and found he was a Warneck or Warnick.


Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 20:36:56 (PDT)
Robert Burke
robertburke@juno.com

Tina:

Here are some census locations for William R and Alma Womack with son Claude.

1930 TN Davidson, Nasville, Dist 147, p.18B
1920 AL Houston, Beat 14, p.267B
1910 TN Sumner, 8 Dist, p.100A

I could not find them in 1900 (looked in TN and KY).


Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 11:38:55 (PDT)
Sam
samsawadee@netzero.com

Couple things I picked up; all from Texas

Texas Republic Claims - 7 results on Womack with images
available(numerous)

http://www2.tsl.state.tx.us/trail/RepublicResults.jsp
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Confederate Indigent Families List 1863-1865

http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/arc/cif/index.html
Gives names and counties ---
Wamack-3
Wammack-1
Wamuch-1
Warmack-2
Womack-6
Womick-1
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Texas Adjutant General Service Records

http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/cgi-bin/aris/srvcrecd/search.php3
Womack-6
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Voters Registration 1867

http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/arc/votersreg.html

Doesnt list any names but does tell how you can get microfilm on
interlibrary loan.


Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 14:57:46 (PDT)
Ron McFarland
rdmcf@comcast.net


Hello Ann McDonald and David Dunn,

I think I have most of my info right. Correct me if I am wrong.



I. James Harris McFarland b:1758 Orange County, NC
son of Robert McFarland and Margaret -- Caswell County, NC
m: Cicely Womack, daughter of Abraham Womack and Martha Mitchell,
on 22 Feb 1787 Caswell County, NC

James Harris McFarland moved with his in-laws to Georgia.
His other brothers and sisters went to Kentucky from NC starting in 1805.
The Womacks, Rogers, and McFarlands settled in Hancock and Warrren Co.
He settled in Warren County, Georgia around 1792.
He was Revolutionary War Vet. could receive a land grant.
Grant was rejected in Lee County, GA. Land Lottery of 1827
He died circa 1828 at Warren County, Georgia.

A. Joseph David McFarland b: circa 1788 d:7 Oct 1847 Troup County, GA
m: Nancy Womack, daughter of Sherwood Womack and Ann "Nancy" Rogers, on 6 Jun 1826 GA

The family mirgrated to Troup County after his father died. He died on 7 Oct 1847 in AL.
He was buried at Hill View(Section 37), LaGrange, Troup County, GA, USA.

1. James Sherwood McFarland b:1827 Warren County, GA
d: young 9 Jun 1833 Troup County, GA
2. Cella Rebecca McFarland b:c1829 Warren County, GA
d: young 28 May 1833 Troup County, GA
3. Infant McFarland b:1831 Troup County, GA
d:1831 Troup County, GA
4. Ellen Mitchell McFarland b:1832 Troup County, GA
d:20 Sep 1833 Troup County, GA

Note: All four of the above are buried next to each other
at the foot of four adult graves, of which two are:
Joseph David McFarland and Sherward McFarland.
The other two are unknown.
Could be his wife Nancy and her mother, Ann "Nancy" Rogers,
who was living with her daugther.

5. Joseph H. McFarland b:5 Apr 1836 Troup County, GA
d: 3 Dec 1891 Troup County, GA
There is no record of him ever being married.

6. Thomas S. McFarland b:3 Feb 1840 Troup County, GA
d:16 Sep 1891 Troup County, GA
There is no record of him ever being married.

Note: Joseph H. McFarland and Thomas S. McFarland are buried
next to each other at Hill View(section 112), LaGrange, GA.

7. John Dawson McFarland b: 1842 Troup County, GA
No record of where John Dawson McFarland went.

No one from this family in the Census of Troup County after 1960.

B. Sherward McFarland b: circa 1790. He never married.
d: 11 Jan 1835 Troup County, GA
Buried next to his brother, Joseph David,
Hill View(section 37), LaGrange, Troup County, GA

C. Helen McFarland b: circa 1791.
d: circa 1825
m: Micajah Rogers 22 Oct 1808 Warren County, GA

1. John Rogers b: circa 1809 Warren County, GA
2. Drury W Rogers b: circa 1810 Warren County, GA
W= Womack ?
3. Martha Mitchell Rogers b: circa 1813 at Warren County, GA
named after her "Womack" Gmother
4. Cicely Rogers
5. Mary Rogers

Micajah Rogers m: Martha Burkhalter 1825

6. Lewis (Lewusis) Dow Rogers b: after 1825
7. Micajah Rogers
8. Alphonse Rogers


Friday, April 30, 2004 at 13:34:11 (PDT)
Jack Womack
jackwomack@grandecom.net

Ron
This link is a photo of Civil War Vetrans in Humboldt, Tennessee.
Judge W.I. Mcfarland is in the photo.
http://www.tennessee-scv.org/veterans/humboldt.htm
Jack


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