February 2004 Message Archive
Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 15:38:00 (PST)
Ann McDonald

Forwarding a message from my website...

I am still in cnfusion about who the parents of Mary Jane Womack who married George W Moore 1859 in McMinn County TN .I descend from Jacob Womack-Mary Wills, Desmonia Womack- Richard Moore, George W Moore-Mary Jane Womack, Sarah T Moore-Moses Harvey Gregory to Ellen Adeline Gregory- John Daniel Moon toElbert Moon. Iwould surely like to know how to find Mary Jane Womack's parentage.

Elbert Moon - elbertm@crosstel.net


Monday, February 02, 2004 at 08:12:08 (PST)
Jack Womack

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Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 09:30:54 (PST)
Jack Womack

Services for JIM WOMACK will be 10 a.m. Friday, Jan. 30, 2004, at Resthaven's Abbey Chapel with Pastor Scot Edmondson of Bellaire Baptist Church officiating. Burial will follow in Resthaven Memorial Park under the direction of Resthaven Funeral Home of Lubbock. Jim died early Friday morning, Jan. 23, 2004, in Nashville, Tenn.
He is survived by his mother, D. Nadine Womack of Lubbock; a daughter, Tabitha L. Price of Atkins, Ark.; a son, SSG James K. Womack of Ft. Hood, currently serving in Iraq; three brothers, Jerry L. Womack and Terry G. Womack, both of Lubbock, and Steve M. Womack of Delores, Colo.; and four grandchildren. Jim was preceded in death by a brother, Johnny Wayne Womack; and his father, J.H. "Bud" Womack.
Jim was born Jan. 18, 1949 in Lamesa, Texas. In 1956, the family moved to Lubbock, where Jim graduated from Coronado High School in 1967. Jim spent most of his career in the medical field. He worked as an LVN, a respiratory therapist and in med ical sales. In 1992, he was co-founder and CEO of First Choice Home Health Care. In 2001, he moved to Allen, Texas and worked for Accredo Therapeutics. He served as General Manager for the eastern United States. The family will be present to receive friends from 6 until 7:30 p.m. Thursday at Resthaven Funeral Home. Memorials are suggested to the American Heart Association.

Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 17:28:17 (PST)
Rita Lee

I am looking for information on my grandmother's half-brother's and sisters, and their mother, DRUCILLA WOMACK of AR. In 1870 she was living in Scott Co., AR with her parents, John Wylie Womack and Mary A.V. Overby. Drucilla Womack married Jeremiah Monroe Shinkle (AKA "Jerry" and J.M.) in Independance County, Arkansas on 10 November 1872. The marriage records show their names as Jeremiah SHINGLES and Drissilla WOOMACK. In 1880, Drucilla, Jerry, and their children were living in Dallas County, AR. Drucilla left Jeremiah taking the children with her sometime between 1885 and 1888. I have no idea why she left him or anything about the children except for their names.

I had heard that no one in the Womack family knew that she was divorced. I cannot find any divorce papers. It was thought she was buried as Drucilla Shinkle in Arkansas.

Any help would be appreciated.


Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 11:21:23 (PST)

No comunication with Jan in over a year or so - their e mail addy no longer works -- I would like to see Nigel take it -- since he is a hosp administrator he shouldnt have too much trouble getting one in house, methinks -- anyone out there got a good addy on them anymore???

And as far as patience - that last thing Robert got from there about 2 weeks or so ago they had two markers for each of us - if they can do 21 in 4 weeks or so
then -- hmmmmm???

Friday, February 06, 2004 at 06:41:57 (PST)
Robert Burke

Update on Womack DNA project:

1) I have asked Alastair at DNA Heritage to give us Fred and Sam's results so far, minus the last two markers they are working on (DYS385a and DYS385b). When these last two markers come in (which, according to Alastair, should be this weekend) they will be forwarded as well. I'm not quite sure why they even test for these two markers, since they are not typically used to compare individuals (see http://www.dnaheritage.com/tutorial4.asp). So, I am hoping Sam and Fred receive emails today with their results so far.

2) I have the money orders for the refunds so far. These money orders are for the values in the earlier post, minus $1.27 (90 cents for a postal money order and 37 cents for a stamp). I'll be sending out an email to those affected to make sure their postal address is still the same as what I have, then I'll mail these out.

Friday, February 06, 2004 at 07:20:19 (PST)
Jack Womack

Sam ,
Sorry all I can do is quote you "Life is Life is Life, Such is Life" I know it is not funny and there is no excuse for the delay. From what I have learned Dna Heritage is sending the samples to a university and not to a commercial lab, bad business I would think. I am starting to wonder how reliable the test results are going to be with students doing the extraction on the loci. I can't believe a student would have the integrity to have the test absolutely correct but to only want to get a passing grade, who knows. I suspect Heritage can not dictate the terms of completion to the University, they don't work that way. Then too if a University is involved they would have been closed for two or more weeks during the holidays as most are even in this country.
With this in mind a test with an questionable outcome should be redone by Heritage at their expense. I would question ANY test that gets too far out of line with the rest. Naturally the possibility of an adoption or non paternal event can change the outcome. I am of the same opinion as Oscar B Womack ""However the name is spelled, we think we are all of the same parentage and are proud of the name."
I feel that I am as much to blame as anyone because I started all this, but
Heritage's deal sounded good and the price was right. I had no way of knowing their record only the hype on the web.
Please don't blame Robert, he has done a good job on the project and I am thankful he has taken the time to act in our behalf.

Friday, February 06, 2004 at 19:13:34 (PST)
Robert Burke

Alastair sent me the DNA results so far for Sam and Fred, and I have forwarded these results on to them.

Friday, February 06, 2004 at 22:28:39 (PST)
Dave Maher

Hi Sam,
have tried sending you a message, but it keeps bouncing.
Off to New Zealand on Monday for 5weeks, will be meeting with a few ex English Womacks, if I get any fresh info I will let you know.
Dave & Rhonda Maher

Saturday, February 07, 2004 at 10:16:45 (PST)

A few words of wisdom about using the 1880 LDS census on line -- I found some of my bunch of another surname in one county on the images - since ancestry did not have about 3 counties I know of undexed for 1880 -- later was rechecking and said what the heck, will go to LDS where it will read easier - Lo and behold! Same bunch, same data, differemt Township and county--same enumeration date..

And did find an elusive 3rd great, last name was spelled Scrobbrough instead of Scarborough - at least I now know he and wife were alive in 1870, what county and state,- tho not on any 1880 census,...oh well such is the saga of the solitary genealogist...

Sunday, February 08, 2004 at 12:31:46 (PST)
Billy Jack Bowdle Sr.

I live in Bartlesville Oklahoma,and am trying to find out more about my relatives.My grandmother was Mabel Womack Bowdle.My great-grandmother was Dona or Donna Womack,from what I have been told they were from Benton County Arkansas.My great-grandmother lived untill she was 104 years old and died in a nursing home in Bentonville,Arkansas.I saw her when I was 15,about 6 months before she died.My grand mother(Mabel) said she had numerous brothers and only one sister,Vila Ruth Womack who lived in Tulsa,Oklahoma,worked at Spartan Aeronautics as a mechanic and dressed and lived as a man.Mabel also told me that her father had worked in the California gold fields and only returned home about once a year,and each time he came home he had a new child.When he last came home he had a set of new twins.He was supposed to have told Dona that "now they're coming in twos" and returned to California.He sent all the money he had been saving back to Dona and was never heard from again.I was wondering if anyone out there can be a relative of mine or be related to this particular family of Womacks.Dona's maiden name was Holland.I have never learned what Donas' husbands name was as my grandmother never spoke of him or would talk of him.Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, B.J.

Sunday, February 08, 2004 at 14:23:36 (PST)
Ann McDonald

Billy, well, my best guess, is that the easiest method to figure this out given that you know the date of her death and that of your grandmother's death - is to get both of their death certificates. And probably the Social Security Application of your grandmother. Those should name the fellow. And see if you can find an obituary of your great-grandmother, which may name all these brothers and sisters. Without a date range, I just can't spot them in the census.

Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 18:36:19 (PST)
Beth Howser

Billy Jack,

This is not my family or research, but thru the research of others, I've tracked your line down:

Abraham Womack
William Womack, b. abt. 1615 VA m. Mary Jane Allen
Richard Womack, b. abt. 1655 Henrico Co., VA m. Mary Puckett
Richard Womack, b. abt. 1676 Bristol Par., Henrico Co., VA m. Elizabeth Puckett
Alexander Womack, b. abt. 1705 Henrico Co., VA m. Martha ?
Richard Womack, b. abt. 1755 Amelia Co., VA m. Rachael ?
Elijah Womack, b. 1794 Campbell Co., VA m. Elizabeth Patterson
Richard Womack, b. 1819, d. 1872 Benton Co., AR m. Matilda Lee Moxley
Samuel Martin Womack, b. abt. 1842 Benton Co., AR m. Vinny Anderson
Walter F. b. abt. 1870 Benton Co., AR
Source: Annette Carpenter Womack, Roots Web's World Connect

Sim Womach (Samuel Martin Womack) m. Vinnie Anderson
Walter Fenemore Womach b. 18 Dec 1871 d. 31 March 1926 -buried Centerton, Benton, Co., m. 14 Jan 1900 Clara Dona Holland, b. 15 Sep 1877 d. 28 Dec 1976
Clara Mabel Womach, 21 Sep 1910 Hobart, Kiowa Co., OK m. Jessie Webster Bowdle

Source: Anna Parks, Roots Web's World Connect

Note: Samuel and Vina Wammack with children Lala, Walter, Dora and Ella are found on the 1880 Osage Twp., Benton Co., AR Census, page 471D. According to Annette, Samuel and Vinnie's children were Lalle, James Richard, Walter F., Dora Effie, Mary Ella and Samuel Reed.

Good luck with your research!
Beth Howser

Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 19:47:48 (PST)
Billy Jack Bowdle

just a point of interest,I was looking up some of my father inlaws relatives fgo to or him(Akins)I came across a Womecke in Md.around 1625,if anyone was interestedgo to AkinsTimeline in Va.A great big thank you to Beth Howser for finding my family for me,you deserve a big piece of raisin pie for that,along with my eternal thanks.B.J.

Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 03:42:09 (PST)

Before anyone goes traipsin off and lookin at that timeline mentioned below,
I just did, there is no Womecke 1625 in MD on it - Abraham Womecke, 1679 tithable was --

Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 15:18:08 (PST)
Royce Gibson

I am trying to verify the parentage of James Wesley Womack and John Everett Womack who are listed in the 1910 and 1920 census for Logan County Arkansas.

Have been told their father was Jordon Henry or Henry Jordon Womack from North Carolina by way of Tenn and Miss. Their mother was Mary Crenshaw Womack for whom I have a marriage record in Topiah Co. Miss. in 1858. I can find no information on them between 1858 and 1900.

James Wesley was my g-grandfather. Have lots of information from 1900 to now if anyone is interested in this line.

Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 15:30:12 (PST)
Sandra Barrow Powell

Hi, all. WGN is a great site.
For several years I have worked with a small group of researchers looking for the family of our gg grandmother Sarah E. Douglass Marks Barrow. One of our group recently discovered that Sarah's mother was Agness W. Womack. We have found a record of her marriage to Edward Douglass in Pittsylvania County, VA on 14 Oct 1829 and her marriage to Joseph Scales Waller on 27 Jul 1835 in Shelby County, TN. She is listed on the 1850 Bradley Co.,Arkansas census, and in 1860 and 1870 is on the Fannin County, Texas census. A trip to Fannin County netted land records for Agness & J. S. Waller, and Joseph's probate records. Undocumented information found online indicates that Agness Womack was born 04 Jun 1810 in Pittsylvania, Virginia, and her lineage is: Charles, Halifax Co., VA; Charles, Halifax Co., William, Goochland Co., VA; William, Goochland Co.
If any of you have information about this family, I would appreciate hearing from you.

Thursday, February 12, 2004 at 01:19:09 (PST)
Robert Burke


In 1900 census of Logan Co, AR on p.208A is Ev Womack (born May 1868). On p.24B is James W Womack (May 1876). On p.23A is Mary E Womack (Oct? 1844).

I found Jordan Henry & Mary Crenshaw Womack in 1880 in Lamar Co, TX, p.35B, but it looks like the enumerator missed some of their kids.

In 1870, they were in Hardeman Co, TN, p.163B.

In 1860, they were in Haywood Co, TN, p.414A.

Your Jordan Womack was very likely the Henry Womack, age 21, listed in the household of Jordan Womack in Halifax Co, NC in 1850 (p.7B). Jordan was the son of Carter Womack of Halifax Co, NC. Several people research this line. Jordan Womack Sr. had a brother named David Womack who was in Tippah Co, MS about the time your Jordan married Mary Crenshaw, so it is quite possible Jordan Jr went west from NC to stay with his uncle David. In 1850, David was in Marshall Co, MS, p.342B.

Thursday, February 12, 2004 at 02:24:11 (PST)
Royce Gibson

Thanks Robert - I had made the leap of faith to the Jordon Womack in NC in 1850 based on the NC link but couldn't put Wesley and Ev in the household. I'll check out your pages. They may have left the children with relatives in Logan county on their way to Texas. For anyone interested in this later line I have posted the tree on Ancestry.com - Both Ev and Wesley married McInturf sisters in the 1890's in Logan Co.

Thursday, February 12, 2004 at 20:45:23 (PST)


Jacqueline Cochran is researching the same family with the following posts
at GenForum: Douglass Family Genealogy Forum
Post Date: January 27, 2004 & Post Date: June 13, 2001;
Forum: Waller Family Genealogy Forum Post Date: January 27, 2004. Maybe
you can help one another.

It appears the online information is referring to Charles Womack of Halifax
married to Agness Williams about 1765 and his son, Charles Womack married
to Sally McDaniel about 22 May 1797 in Pittsylvania Co VA. I don't have
any children listed for Charles and Sally, just my notes which say other
researchers state they had a daughter Agness Womack married to Douglass and
Waller. One researcher stated Agness Womack married to Douglass and Waller Died: 21 Aug 1884 at Greyrock, Titus TX and references "Historical Southern Family". Sorry I didn't record the researchers name.

My own research on: Agness Womack married to Edward Douglass.
Marriage bann: 14 October 1829 Pittsylvania Co VA
Marriage: 15 October 1829 Pittsylvania Co VA
Signer of Certificate: Agness W. Womack
Surety: Richard White
Minister: Rev. Griffith Dickenson, Sr.
Marriage Bann Page 93.
Marriages of Pittsylvania Co., VA 1806 - 1830 by Kathleen Booth Williams
Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc. Baltimore
Book page 44. Book found at Library in Chatham in Pittsylvania Co VA.

If you verify the ancestors of Sarah Douglass were Charles Womack and
Agness Williams, get in touch again if you want more information on this
couple. Charles and Agness (Williams) Womack's son, William Watson Womack
is my line.

Good Luck, Doris

Saturday, February 14, 2004 at 11:07:14 (PST)
Everett D. Flatt

Thanks for the Information about the Womack linage, I received all of what you sent by e-mail and got very busy shoveling 12" of snow after that.


Saturday, February 14, 2004 at 11:49:05 (PST)

What is snow??

Saturday, February 14, 2004 at 13:07:09 (PST)
Despina Lalas

Hello All:

I am researching my line starting with my the social security application of my great grandmother, Julia Hudspeth born 1881 in Ft. Gaines (Clay), Georgia. She was the daughter of Columbus R. Hudspeth and Lizzie Womack. The 1880 Cotton Hill, Clay, Georgia census shows the family household (note: one year before my g-grandmother was born), consisting of Cullen (Columbus) R. Hudspeth, wife: Lizzie J. (Womack) Hudspeth born 1849, their children:
Emmete Hudspeth born:1874, Sallie Hudspeth born:1877 (she later married a Walter Hayes), and Nancy Jester born 1812 the mother of Columbus Hudspeth.

Lizzie J. (Womack) Hudspeth is buried in Blakely County Cemetary in Early Georgia in the Hayes Family plot with her middle name listed a an "E", which I think is incorrect since her name is Lizzie which was most likely short for Elizabeth. I think the "J" on the census is correct and feel her middle name may have been Julia, since that is what she named my g-grandmother.

Can anyone tell me positively (or the most likely suspected) parents of Lizzie Womack?


Despina Lalas

Saturday, February 14, 2004 at 14:02:15 (PST)

Hi Susan, Mark And Everyone: I read the posts almost everyday but often I can't add anything. Today maybe I can, but first was Halifax Co.,VA formed in 1754? Second, I found some early Halifax Co.,VA land surveys in PROPERTY LINES FROM AN OLD SURVEY BOOK - Halifax County, Virginia 1741 to 1901 by Roger C. Dodson (1998). WOMACK listed were: #1 pg 22 or chart 16-E was survey of 4 Feb 1762 for Isham Womack of 302 acres. Survey located in the area between Grassy Creek and Aaron Creek but nearer Grassey Creek and just north of the N.Car. border and in the south east corner of today's Halifax Co.VA or south west corner of today's Meckenburg Co.VA. #2 pg 56 or chart 18-A was survey of 14 Nov 1764 for Jacob Womack of 207 acres. Survey located in today's Halifax Co.,VA in the area between Coleman creek and Lawson Creek and north of N.Car. border (about middle in Halifax Co., VA from east to west). #3 pages 92 and 112 or charts 19-H and 20-H was survey of 28 Feb 1753 for Richard and/or John Womack of 400 acres, and then resurvey of 29 March 1792 for Robert Eastham 222 acres sold to Giles Thweet. Survey located in the north east part of today's Halifax C.,VA near Conner Lake and between Hunting Creek and Reedy Creek. These creeks empty into the Staunton River and below these creeks down river is located Bk. Walnut Creek and Clover Creek which also empty into the river. Near Clover Creek a Peter Hudson had a large survey of 4 June 1751 of about 6,310 acres which also included the Staunton River. The survey was near Clover,VA and also there was a survey for an Edward Parker located near Clover. (See pg 106 chart 20-E and pg 108 chart 20-F and pg 110 chart 20-G for Peter Hudson survey). All for now. Doretta

Sunday, February 15, 2004 at 13:59:41 (PST)
herb womick

hi every one,
i am trying to research my name womick, bact to where it was womack, but all i can fine is womack.
please help, i am from southern illinois, anna, union, county, i have search, the cecus back to 1880, joseph womick, but from there i dont no where to go.
thank you herb womick. f-86-d@adelphia.net my emaill address

Sunday, February 15, 2004 at 15:12:22 (PST)
Don Womack

Hi. My name is Don Womack. I have done quite a bit of research on the Womack family of Paulding Co. (my line). I thought I was relatively complete with respect to data, but in the process of building a GEDCOM file to share, I noticed a large hole. My Womack's are buried in Narroway Baptist Church Cemetery in the Burnt Hickory Area. I have been there and photographed the headstones for validity. My problem is this: Matthew T. & Malinda M. Womack had two sons, Mathew M. and Fred Beasley, both buried there. The birth dates shown on headstones of Mathey and Fred are 8-15-1896 and 7-7-1896 respectively. Clearly, this cannot be. Mistakes on dates are rather common years ago and this is probably one of them. Additionally, many records I have seen online reflect the same thing, and until I began the GEDCOM file, it didn't register.

For some reason I have several Paulding, Ga census' except the 1900 one. I believe that, if it shows ages of children, that would clarify the ages. If anyone has any information that would offer clarity on this matter, I would really appreciate the help. Thanks much.

Sunday, February 15, 2004 at 21:24:56 (PST)
Mary Etta Norsworthy

To Don:
Hope this helps -
1920 Census for Paulding County, Burnt Hickory District shows

Matthew Womack, age 22
Ludie (wife),no age given
Arnie Clayton (stepson) (no age given)

Freddie B. Womack, age 18
Liller J. (wife), age 19
J. T. (son), age 6/12

Monday, February 16, 2004 at 08:34:51 (PST)
Don Womack

To Mary Etta
Mary, thank you for your trouble. I guess we have to trust census record for age. However, the headstone for Matthew states dob, specifically, as 5-15-1896 and for Fred 7-7-1895. Using the census dates, dob would be 1898 (give or take 1)and 1902, respectively. That's quite a discreptancy.
I'm going back home to Marietta, Ga this summer to visit kids. Guess I'll run over to Paulding Court House in Dallas to see what's there, and maybe try to look up some descendants in the area. Nothing's ever simple, is it? Thanks again for your help. Really appreciate it.

Monday, February 16, 2004 at 09:05:01 (PST)

Don you may want to take a look at this
I ran searches from 1850 thru 1930 (less 1920 since already done)
on names Womac, Womack, Wommack, Wamac, Wamack, Wammack, Womoc, Womock
and Wommock - The following, working back from 1930 is what I found:

1930 Census same place
Womack, Mat age 33 ate at marriage 23 GA GA GA
Ludie Wife Age 36 Age at marriage 25 GA GA GA
Womack, Lila sis in law age 29 age at marriate 18 GA GA GA
J F Nephew age 10 GA GA GA
Jones, J Niece 06 GA GA GA

At this point, appears Lila's husband is dead or off somewhere else?

On same page
Womack, Seabeasn (Sebastian?) age looks like 29 but questionable
because of children's ages--age at marriage looks like 21 -- could age be 39?
Thelma dau age 16
Loriel J son age 12
Henery son age 10
Elbert son age 08(could be Albert_
Lenic dau age 05(could be Lenie)
Linda dau age cant read but looks like tried to write something/12
All born and parents born in GA

1910, GA, Paulding Co,
Dwelling 48; family 49
Parham, Julia A age 70 shown as head of household
But also shown as head in same household -
Womack, Joe S age 27
Nancy (couldnt read initial) wife age 25
Ivie S Son age 07
Bertha S dau age 06
Homer V son age 02
All states GA

Dwelling/family 52/52

Womack, Judge age 20 GA GA GA
Lodger with William Cochran


Womack, Matthew T, age 48
Robert S Son 19
Eva dau dau 18
Celia B dau 15
Matthew M age 13
Freddie B son age 11
All states GA
also 56/56
Womack Walter L 20 GA GA GA
Lula M wife 18 GA GA SC
Effie B dau 4/12 GA GA GA
Abram V head 50 GA SC NC

Womack, Robert L 34
Mary wife 34
Roy son 12
Addie R dau 10
James son 08
Eustice dau 06
Louis son 04
Doyle son 1/12? May be Hoyle
all states GA
1880 census could find nothing
1870, Paulding Co, Burnt Hickory Distr
dwellingfamily 108/108
Womack, Matthew age 39
Sarah age 27
Matthew age 08
Sarah age 03
James age 01
All born GA

Check the images on both sides of the one above and came up with
dwelling/house 106/106

Womack, William age 29
Frances wife age 29
James son age 08
Elizabeth dau age 05
John son age 03
William son age 02
All born GA except Frances, shown ad b. NC
Dwelling/family 107/107 same page as Matthew
Womack, Martha age 40
George age 13
Amanda age 10
Esther age 08
all born GA
1850, 60 also,for some reason they were in hiding or werent there...

Monday, February 16, 2004 at 11:18:22 (PST)
Don Womack

Sam, can't believe you went to that much trouble. Coincidence. I was just looking at the Judge entry on 1910 Paulding, Ga census. Got Matthew "Mathey" dob nailed with Ga Deaths 1918-1998 and your info agrees within 1 yr. depending, of course, when census taken. Freddie B. 'nother story. Your info shows Fred's dob to be 1899 (+/-1). So, headstone and cemetery transcripts are in error in that specific case. Again, think we have to trust census, but sure would like to find some birth record that I can put in my hand. Then I could feel good about publishing. Still prob'ly look when I get back to Ga. I have a good bit of documentation on direct line back to Abe Sr. (albeit lots still in stacks and not on my spreadsheet yet). If I can contribute info to anyone, I'll be most happy to. Thanks again for all your trouble. Very kind of you.

Monday, February 16, 2004 at 14:39:15 (PST)

Assist is what we are all here for; and I needed something to while away the time; so, why not a new challenge -- Anyway, like others, I have access to quite a few things that may help -- I would suggest you share with Roger, our WGN webber dude, what info you have so he can add to his overall data base - and which Abe you referring to? Mebbe you need to get in on the DNA thing some of us already been in..
And you are welcome, glad to have had some input --

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 08:28:28 (PST)
Don Womack

Sam, this DNA thing is interesting. My wife has been doing family research for the past 7 years and the group she has been working with is checking out the viability and validity of this research. I haven't caught up on Womack effort yet, but I do know that this is a pretty complex effort. And you may discover things you might not want to know. You know what they say, for some,"ignorance is bliss". I for one would like to know, but I want to look into it further. As for submitting to Roger, I would like to. Still in the process of building the database to insure what I have is documented and concrete (as much as some of it can be) before I put it out to the world. I'm now inputting Thomas J. (more holes). In the meantime, I will be more than happy to share what I have offsite for, as someone once said, "for use as a guide only".

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 09:55:00 (PST)
Jack Womack

Anybody have an answer to this?
I keep finding references like those posted below. My question is do they pertain to the elusive William 1 or to his son William Jr. Seems like they would be for William Jr. but there is some confusion in what others have in their genealogies.

William Womack patented land in the Bermuda Hundred Section of Henrico County, Virginia in 1665

Ref: CDXVII Century applic. on William Womack, born 1620 Eng/Va in 1657
If my translation is correct this is an application number 417 for a land deed.

The Roman Numeral system was in place in the New Virginia Colonies at that time and was used on all official documents and later dropped in favor of a numerical system.

Additional references:
William Womack on tithing list of Henrico County, Virginia in 1679.
Va. Rec. Bk 1677-92 pp 492, 716, 762, Va. State Library
"Rand, Hale & Allied Families" by Nettie Hale Rand, 1940
Other references:
Valentine Papers pp 1772, 1774
William & Mary College Quarterly V-24 p. 208
Virginia Historical Magazine, Minutes of the Council and General Court of Colonial Virginia p 369 Chesterfield County, Virginia p. 48 by Lutz

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 11:15:52 (PST)

How many other land patents have you seen where it listed where and the year someone was born? Appears to me this is someones additive to a possible extract translation - Shade of ole Henry of 1625 MA creeping into the Williams?

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 12:44:45 (PST)

Hi Jack,

Jack, I have spent hours looking for this patent and I haven't been able to
find it. As for the reference CDXVII Century Application, I have concluded/
speculated that it refers to Colonial Dames 17th Century, but I haven't been
able to locate the application or the information which was used to obtain
membership into the Colonial Dames Society. I would love to know where the
individual who applied for membership and stated William received a land
patent in 1665 got her information. I suppose there are patents which no
records exist for any longer, but we have so many patents available even
before 1665; so, just this one is loss? There are patents which are
impossible to read today, maybe it is one of those.

Jack, you wrote:
"Ref: CDXVII Century applic. on William Womack, born 1620 Eng/Va in 1657"
The year 1657 should read 1957 and that would be the year the application
was submitted or accepted into the Colonial Dames, I believe.

If anyone has this patent or knows where it can be located or if anyone
has a different idea about what the reference means, I am interested.

Doris (Womack) Cox

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 12:51:34 (PST)
Ann McDonald

Jack, and then there is the possibility that the citations are fictional/wrong.

Both William Jr and Sr were dead in 1679, IMHO.
I'd have to go look at it, but to the best of my recollection Abraham is listed, as is Timothy Allen, and a bunch of Pucketts, but for the life of me I can't recall if William is listed.....

I have yet to see a land record earlier than Richard's.

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 15:59:56 (PST)
Ann McDonald

I just fired off an email to the Colonial Dames of the 17th Century to see if they might have an answer as to if this application existed. BTW, there is another organization, the Colonial Dames of America, but no Womack is listed in their on-line register, although the Woodsons are.

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 16:53:06 (PST)

Hi Ann,

I didn't realize the CDXVII Century Application was not the same as the
Colonial Dames of America.


Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 18:39:00 (PST)
Ann McDonald

Doris, confusing isn't it! The 17th century ladies have a building down on NH Ave in DC - lovely building, actually, but for the life of me I don't know what the heck they do there - you have to be asked to join. The of America ladies are into historical preservation, so there are a bunch of chapters around the country that do things like run house museums. They are on Q street in DC, and are a much more active group - they have scholarships for archivists and run history programs.


Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 19:33:45 (PST)

What is really sad is the erroneous and trumped up info some people who are, and were, so desperate to have a "blueblood so to speak" in their midst; they use anything they can get someone to believe to get in there -- I been laughing me arse off on ole Major Jacob Womack that someone went into the hallowed halls of the DAR with his wife - who was really the wife of his first cousin a couple times removed and who was my GGGG-GF of the same name!! -- IO trust that info they use not -

For instance, that genealogy of a Henry Womack of MA, married to a Phebe Rondell or Randell and later moved to Accomack Co VA -- there are no records of marriage, birth, christening, baptismal, land, wills, patents - nil on this line in Accomack - Conclusion, fake genealogy someone desperate paid for-- and now clouds up legitimate genealogy -- Same as the DAR info above and more that probably exists also --

There is some cpeculation that an Elizabeth Womack, daughter of a Thomas Womack, landed on these hallowed shores sometime before the Jamestown Massacre-
later lost ther husband - married another- lost him and then remarried again -
I believe the ship date was in 1620 or so and this particular indicent is more or less documented in some of the Jamestown history - however, her maiden name was never mentioned in this account -- it is only mentioned in someones family history of the first husband; and I think the third - but no real documentation-
This Elizabeth Womack/Sharpe/whatever/Baugh supposedly had land patents in the 1630's in her own name -- perhaps she brought over our elusive people?? Good story methinks; but about as valid as ole Henry above!!

Anyway - what can I say but keep on searchin!!!

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 22:28:16 (PST)
rochelle massinello

I am trying to obtain any information on Massinello Womack, Cumberland County 1782 tax list. I am trying to find out what relation if any to the massinello family this person was and how they got the name massinello.and where i can obtain more info on this individual who they where what the where about, etc.please reply to me @ nukkur@aol.com asap.
rochelle masinello

Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 12:27:39 (PST)
Ann McDonald

Rochelle, as far as anyone knows, there is no relationship between Massanello Womack and any family of that name. The best guess is that he was named for Massanello - Thomas Anello, who in 1647 led an uprising against the Spanish overloads of Naples. Massanello was a fairly famous dude, showing up in Thomas Paine's Common Sense in 1776 - and given the fact that pretty much all the boys in this family, including Massanello, fought in the Revolutionary War, it's pretty much assumed (barring evidence to the contrary) that he was named for this Italian independence patriot because his father in 1751 when Massanello was born, wasn't that fond of the British.... Ann

Thursday, February 19, 2004 at 13:18:14 (PST)
Jason Womack

I was wondering if anyone could give me any information regarding the history of my family. My grandfather's name was James Edward Womack (Sr.). he was born on August 29, 1906 in Chatham Virginia and died on June 8, 1988 in Columbus, Ohio. He was married to Beaulah Womack (maiden name Austin). His father's name was Joseph Womack, but I have no middle name or initial. I believe he was born in Virginia also in around 1880. Joseph was named to Ella Womack. Nobody seems to know anything beyond Joseph and I would very much like to find out more of our family history beyond my great grandfater. I hope someone can help me.

Thursday, February 19, 2004 at 19:38:44 (PST)
clifton womack

Sam:Hello, your message of feb16, 9.05.01,household 106/106, and107/107, paulding co. Ga.seem to be my families. 106/106, my g.g.gr.parents william womack & framces bradshaw, plus their childrens names match. 107/107,matches my matches my g.g.g.gr. martha ferguson womack, and her children. could you please!!! e mail your info. on these families? thank you very much. Frances bradshaw was born in n.c.

Friday, February 20, 2004 at 11:59:55 (PST)
Ronald Gene Womack

I am Ronald Gene Womack born in Lubbock Texas in 1946 and son of Johnny Gordon Womack(died 1977 Lubbock)and Wanda Mae White Womack. I graduated high school from Lubbock High in 1964 and no reside in Dallas, Texas.
I am interested in the research into my family name and others of my family that seem to be scattered just about everywhere! Please let me know if anyone is looking for me or suchlike. I have lost almost all contact with my family except my children and mother.
Ron G. Womack

Monday, February 23, 2004 at 20:11:11 (PST)

As most of you know we have been doing this DNA thang with a whatever in
england - unfortunately low cost produces lousy results - Fred and I have been waiting for a FULL report for longer than the 100% discount rate proposed by dna heritage -
I got a reply from them tonite that indicates - we are not going to get any decent results - and, I am tired of their postulating and placating and so on - produce results or get outta the bizness - No way in hades would I recommend contact and inclusion in their research - and I have no faith that their results are valid........

Again, Robert and Fred no fault of yer own...

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 13:08:46 (PST)
Gail Rich Nestor

A while back I posted a message asking about an Olive Womack b. 21 Oct 1882 in Danville, VA, who married Charles L. Harrell in Bainbridge, Decatur County, GA. I was trying to locate Olive's father. Since that time, I have located her obituary, her death certificate, her tombstone, a picture of her, and her marriage record. However, I have found no source to tie her to her parents.

I have read on couple of web sites is that she is a daughter of Martin Van Buren Womack and Jane Stone Womack. However, I have no seen any evidence to support this conection. To confuse matters further, her death certificate lists her father as James C. Womack. The death certificate information is questionable since my grandfather (her son-in-law)was the informant and he would not have known this information well. However, he must have gotten that name from somewhere.

Anyway, if anyone out there can offer any evidence of a connection between Olive (listed in some web sites as Ollie) and possible father Martin Van Buren Womack, I sure would appreciate your help.

Gail Nestor

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 16:53:21 (PST)
Ann McDonald

Gail, Well I'd guess you have a 50% chance that the state of VA has a birth record on file at the Library of VA in Richmond. Records exist from that era, it justdepends on whether they bothered. If she died post say 1960, it's possible there is a SS5 on file for her at Social Security. Ann

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 20:40:11 (PST)
clifton womack

Sam: in your meesage of feb16th, in your reference to paulding co, Ga household 107/107 martha Ferguson womack, and her three children in the 1870 census, her husband, one william Larkin Womack, is dead. He was killed at the battle of Chancellorsville, in 1862.Their son, one william Riley Womack is mentioned in household 106/106, along with his wife Frances Womack (nee) Frances Ann Bradshaw, with their children.

Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 08:07:17 (PST)

Hello everyone! I found out more info about my Wommack line since I last posted and I'm hoping someone else might be interested in this same family...or know something more about them.

1850 Marion Co, GA Census:
William Wamack 47 M farmer 700 NC
Nancy Wamack 44 F NC
John Wamack 16 M GA (my descendent)
Mary Wamack 13 F GA
Gustin/Gastin Wamack 9 M GA
Joseph Wamack 7 M GA

It's also possible Andrew and Asa Wamack (living with Andrew Sheppard in Marion Co) are children of William and Nancy. In 1870, William is gone and Nancy is living with JW Wanek and his wife Mary (Weed) in Grayson, TX. She died in 1877 and is buried by John W and Mary in Sadler Cemetery. John and family stayed around Grayson, TX; Gaston and family (wives Sarah Outlaw, then Sarah/Sallie Vinson?) ended up in Lee Co, AL; Joseph and family (I believe his wife was Mary Elizabeth Garner) ended up around Llano and Burnet Co, TX; I don't know anything about the sister Mary yet. I'm still working on answering whether mother Nancy was the Nancy Sheppard who married a William Wommack in NC. I believe William died prior to 1865, when some of the family went on to Grayson Co. I have no other info on him. (Though I've seen the spelling change quite a bit, "Wommack" was the most common in my family, changing to "Womack" with my great-grandfather's generation.)

I'd appreciate any help and would be happy to share info!

Best regards,

Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 19:36:18 (PST)
Brandi Womack-Murray

Hello everyone,

My name is Brandi Reachelle Womack, I was born in Colorado City, TX Sept 16, 1981 my father is Freddie Leon Womack Jr. (son of Freddie Leon Womack) And my mom is Janet T. Womack. Growing up as a Navy child and now wife I run into a lot of "Womacks" here and there with different spellings and always wonder if they could be in my families tree. Now located in Gates, NC I looked in my local phone book and see there are two "Wommack"s, I am just not familiar with the spellings and why they all seemed to change over time.

My dad gave me the link to this website since I really get into researching pedigrees for my dogs, I am now on a mission to find out about my family tree.

Being young and not really knowing the "Womack" side of my family since I never got to know most of my Womack side of the family due to "issues" I still don't understand that is hard to talk about with my dad.

I really am interested in learning how to locate living family members in my "Womack lineage".Is there a way to find out more then just birthdates and names, finding pictures, tombstones or some other form that would help me on my way of learning about my families history?

I hope it was ok to post this here, I just don't know where to start, I did see my dads dad and a few other members of my family, I just don't fully understand it as I don't know of these people and as of just the past 4 weeks just learned of my great grand fathers name and his wifes name.

My dad when he has time said he is going to add more information about my family and maybe that can help others out.

Are there any websites out there to locate pictures or articals on deaths, though I am more interested in information of my current family that is still living.

Thank you and sorry to have made this so long,
Brandi R. Womack-Murray

Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 23:21:24 (PST)
Paula Hamilton

I am totally confused and it seems the more I check sources on the internet the more I question. What I know for sure is as follows: (Maternal side) My Great Grandparents were William Hezekiah Atkinson b. 12-1-1866, Nancy Jane Hall; GG Grandparents..Benjamin Franklin Atkinson b. 2-20-1844, Elizabeth Womack b.1-10-1843TN ; (It starts getting fuzzy here.. GGG Grandparents..Hezekiah Womack b. circa 1822 NC, (wife # 1 Peggy Owen)#2 Mary Windows m. 1-18-1834 It seems Mary is the mother of Elizabeth due to the marriage date; GGGG Grandparents.. Richard Womack b. circa 1760 VA, Ruth Ann Owen b. circa 1763 Halifax Co VA; Does anyone know if
Thomas Womack..Abraham Womack, Abraham Womack then William follow?? There are so many Richards I can't be sure. Or could it go with a Richard "Dickey" Womack line I saw on the internet. Elizabeth Womack died 1-27-1899 in southern MO. I've been told they started out around Henrico Co VA, then to TN to MO. Also Somehow my GGG Grandfather is on the Cherokee rolls as full blood, the family thinks it should be only 3/4 and that it must be through the Owen line as there were several that they married with back East. Please helpppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp. Does anyone have any info on a Nancy Brown or Broen that married William Andrew McNabb b. 9-29-1796 Va.Tn to MO.....I find the message boards very interesting also the DNA check. Hope to hear from someone. Thank you Paula Hamilton

Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 09:18:01 (PST)
Jack Womack

I have your complete line from Abraham Womack 1644 down to Fred Leon Sr. His parents were Raymond Clarence and Viola Viola Rogers Womack. Raymond was born June 12, 1920 and died March 07, 1978. Viola "Bodie" Rogers died in Farmington NM. Your line stops in my files with Fred Leon who married Edith Womack. I have no children listed for him and no dates. I do have all the colatteral families up to date. You have sevral relatives living in the West Texas area. I have had coffee with one here in Odessa and correspond with another in Brownwood Texas. Your line lived in Howard and Mitchell Counties of TX. I have done a lot of research on this branch of Womacks. I will share what I have if you like.

Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 11:13:41 (PST)
Brandi Womack-Murray

Hello Jack,

Fred Sr. Womack is now married to Edith, correct, his first wife is Glenda (or Glinda) they had two sons (I don't think they had anymore as I only know of my uncle Mike and my dad), Fred Leon Womack Jr (my dad) & Michael Kelly (SP?) Womack (who lives in Sundown, TX) I know that when Fred Sr. married Edith they had 3 or 4 children (I think 3 boys and one girl), my dad is going to give me all the information there, he said that when he had time he would be able to send in all the rest of the information. Yes Viola "Bodie" is my great grand mother, my dad knows the date in which she died, it was either somewhere from 1991 to 1993, my dads got to get that information to me.
I'd love to have what information you have as I am very excited to know my families history.
Thank you,

Friday, February 27, 2004 at 05:41:19 (PST)


AZ has a new genealogy site that has birth records 75 years and older and death records 50 years and older - peruse at http://genealogy.az.gov

Friday, February 27, 2004 at 05:56:31 (PST)

Something I failed to mention - you can click on the name and see the actual image of the b/c or d/c -- and even tho some of the parents names are not listed on the page - they and their state or state and count of birth are on the certificates -- Hey, this is great!!

Friday, February 27, 2004 at 14:31:32 (PST)
Don Womack

Hi all. Trying to sort out the thousands of Abraham's. Ran across copy of will for Abraham, dated April 1809, Caswell Co., N.C., obtained from archives in N.C. This will leaves bible to James, son of Abe Jr. (?) assorted furniture to grandchildren of son "Abnor" and remaining household to Margaret Hucker (?). Have an Abner, son of Richard 3, but that line runs back thru all Richards. Think I'm close, but dod of 1809 won't tie to other info I have. At least I haven't ran across it yet. Could anyone possibly shed some light on this? This Margaret Hucker is a new one on me. Sure would appreciate it if someone's got a grip on this. Thanks.

Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 19:38:38 (PST)
Fred Womack
pcgwomack @yahoo.com

I am looking for information on my Grandfather, Clyde Womack who was married
to Clara Sanders Womack. I have pictures of my granfather and his brother who was named Lee . He died in 1961-62 in Kerman CA. My grandmother Clara died in
1983 in Kerman. My family left CA when I was 13 and we have lived in Oklahoma.
Would like to know more information on my lineage.

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