January 2004 Message Archive
Hi Charles and everyone. I can't help you with the W.S.BROWN data that you are asking for,but I Thought you or others working on WOMACK might be interested in the following problem I keep having. (Why I don't know.) To start , I must say I have a direct BROWN line --- Sarah BROWN b1737 d1808 and m1759 in Mass to Peter RICE b1734 d1814 (said to be of the Edmund RICE line). Anyway Sarah is maybe daughter of Abner BROWN b1695 who m1716 Martha GILBERT b1698. I understand from a posting on WGN that the RICE line connected with WOMACK is maybe of the Edmund RICE line.Those RICE connected with WOMACK are connected with George NOLEN/NOLAND. My direct line is William NOLAND of PA/VA/NC/KY and George NOLEN is connected, I believe. I myself do not have any direct line of WOMACK, (but my husband is a direct descentant of Miles WOMACK of Halifax Co. VA). Whenever I try to work on my own surnames, for some reason, I keep on running into WOMACK connections of some kind. The RICE and NOLAND lines are just two of my surnames that this happens with. There are others. Also I must add that several other surnames of the Madison/Estill Counties, KY (AREA) have connections with Halifax Co. VA or WOMACK. (PUCKETT which is not my direct line is one of those surnames.) Is everyone as confuse as I am? EXTRA NOTE FOR CHARLES--- Mrs Charles WOMACK (maybe still living), was maybe a member of the Clermont Co. Ohio Gen. Soc. She copied a bible record from a bible of her Aunt. The only Womack listed were Mrs Charles Womack and her husband and their two children. They were married in 1949 and her family was from Cincinnati, Ohio. The record can be found at the Clermont Co. Ohio Library in VOL #3 of CLERMONT COUNTY BIBLE RECORDS. Happy hunting everybody in this New Year.
Hi all! Hope everyone enjoyed the holidays! My stepmother is catching hte genealogy bug from me! LOL. If anyone has been tracing the Holland surname or knows of a Holland family genealogy site please e-mail me.
Thanks in advance,
Tracie WoMack Easterling
Got an email from a nice gentleman who pointed me at 2 GA Womack documents on his site. Seems he found them in Effingham Co, they are 2 letters of administration,1819 for William Womack, 1835 for Frederick Womack, at page
I'll poke around and see what else he might have among the civil war pensions he's got - it's mostly a Civil War re-enactors site. Ah, interesting
and the other links at the top of the screen for pension and other info on Thomas Han and Rebecca Lewis Womack
Oddly, I haven't a clue how these guys connect up!
Hi i an looking for info on JOHN WOMACK born ca. 1825 Lawrence Co. ARK. married NANCY E. MURRAY 1845 in Randolph Co. Ark. thanks Diana
I am interested in Bugess Harrelson Womack Jr. of Warren county Tenn. Has any one done any research on this line? I am granddaughter of Bengamin Franklin Womack. He moved to Texas about 1890.
John J. Womack, b. ca. 1795 SC (probably Pendleton Co.) appears to be the son of Johnson Womack and Unknown wife. John J. m. 1st Unknown. Children born to them were 1. Unknown Womack, b. ca. 1830 AR; 2. Mary Womack, b. ca. 1834 AR; 3. Elizabeth Womack, b. ca. 1837 AR (Elizabeth is found on the 1880 Lamar Twp., Madison Co., AR with Andrew J. and Phoeby Thompson as Elizabeth Wanwoack, a single woman. Phoeby Thompson, b. 1816 TN could be a child of Johnson Womack's); 4. Elender Womack, b. ca. 1839 AR; 4. Nancy Womack, b. 1840 AR; Jacob Womack, b. ca. 1843 AR. John J. Womack's 1st wife died prior to 14 May 1845, the date of his marriage to Nancy E. Murray. They are found on the 1850 Richland Twp., Madison Co., AR census, page 268B, house 307 with John and Nancy's child, Martha Womack, b. 15 Sep 1847. (She m. 8 Apr 1879 Thomas A. Towler, b. 21 Apr 1822, Lunenburg Co., VA, son of James and Elizabeth Averett Towler. They are found on the 1880 Richland Twp., Washington Co., AR census). Their dau., Sarah Womack was b. 1852 Reyno, Randolph Co., AR. I believe I have their two children from your posts on the Net. They are listed as Warmack on the 1850 census records on Robert Burke's web page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~reburke/lines/data/womack/ew/census/1850/pop.html
Johnson Womack's RW pension app stated he had lived in Burke Co., NC when called into service and after the RW he lived in Pendleton Co., SC, the state of TN, and in Lawrence, Crawford, and Washington Cos., AR. He resided in Madison Co., AR, a new county taken from Washington Co. at the time of his app. If you use Roger's census records as a guide and search for John, you will find he also lived in these counties. http://www.womacknet.net/census/arkansas.htm
September/October/November messages have been moved to the archives.
Searching for parents of Elizabeth Womack who married Charles Cothen (Cowthen,
Cawthon) about 1761, they were from Virginia or Tennessee and later moved to
Franklin, Georgia where most of their children were born. One daughter was
Judith born 1762, another was Hannah 1764. I'd appreciate any leads. Thanks
Hello:I have just returned to the net after a two year hiatus. If Walt womack, or Sherry Taylor read this message, i would like to hear from both of you, plus any other womacks from the georgia area, I was born in Rome Ga.Also I am willing to communicate with any Womacks related to the Andrew Paul, and Minnie womack line of Rome Ga.
Robert's results are in from DNA heritage. Robert I sure would like to see the results just for fun. I'll be glad when the rest come in so I'll know for sure if I need to be tracking down my wondering granny. One thing for sure mine and Jacks are not showing any relation. Either granny was friendly or someone was adopted and it was a big family secret. At least now I can check other lines and see when it happened. Pretty cool stuff, very interesting!!
Here is what I have - if anyone else has different--please post - I did leave out all the kids except for Liz and Chuck.
Abraham 01 Womack b: Abt. 1644 Henrico Co VA d: Bef. Oct 1733 Varina, Henrico Co, VA?
Thomas 01 Womack b: Abt. 1672 Henrico Co VA d: Aft. Mar 20, 1732/33 Henrico Co VA
.. +Mary Farley b: 1668 Henrico, Co, Va d: Aft. Jul 23, 1750 Chesterfield Co, Va m: Abt. 1705 Henrico Co VA
Abraham Sr Womack b: Abt. 1708 Henrico Co VA d: May 16, 1800 Lincoln Co NC
.. +Elizabeth/1 b: Abt. 1710 d: Abt. 1740 m: Abt. 1725 VA
Elizabeth 31 Womack b: Abt. 1740
.. +Charles Cawthorn b: Abt. 1735 m: Bef. 1757
......... 2 William Cawthorn b: Abt. 1757
......... 2 John Cawthorn b: Abt. 1759
......... 2 Charles Cawthorn b: Abt. 1760
......... 2 Fannie Cawthorn b: Abt. 1761
......... 2 Judith Cawthorm b: Jun 02, 1762
......... 2 Elizabeth Cawthorn b: Abt. 1765
Henry Dolphus Womack [nickname Lee] was born on Nov 30, 1867 in Tishomingo, Mississippi. His parents were John and Julia Womack, both who died while their three children were young. His older bother, Nathan T (Thomas?) and his younger sister, Elizabeth J [nickname Lizzie] (married a Mr. Holly and lived in Salem Illinois) went to live with thier uncle (farmer?). Henry and Nathan moved to Texas around 1886. Both died in Colorado City, Texas (Nathan in 1940 and Henry on November 3, 1941).
Can anyone help me to locate more information about John and Julia Womack. I was told by my grandmother that the Womack side of the family came mainly from Tennessee.
Also, does anyone know who the uncle was? I do not know if the uncle was from the John Womack family or from Julia's family (maiden name unknown).
I have information about some of the Womack family after Henry Dolphus married Fanny Pearl Smartt in 1906, if anyone is interested. Their children were Samuel H. J. Womack; Oren Thomas Womack; Gladys Womack Jones/Wolf; Irma Womack Shadday (b. 1910); Fanny Fay Womack Feaster(b. 1911). Sameul, Oren and Fanny are still living in the USA as far as I know but do not know where or how to locate them. Maybe one of them or their families could shed more light on John and Julia.
Carol Cooke (Great Granddaughter of H.D.)
Mary Lois Newman Womack
Brownwood – Funeral service for Mary Lois Newman Womack, age 89, of Brownwood will be at 3 p.m. Monday, December 29, at First Baptist Church with Dr. Bill Heston and Dallas Huston officiating. Interment will follow in Eastlawn Memorial Park. The family will receive friends from 4-6 p.m. Sunday, December 28, at the funeral home.
Mrs. Womack passed away on Saturday December 27, 2003, in Brownwood Regional Medical Center. She was born on August 26, 1914, in Grayson County, Texas, to William and Mary Helvey Newman. She married Thomas Lloyd Womack in Dallas on April 8, 1933. She graduated from Howard Payne University in 1955 with a bachelor’s degree and in 1957 with her master’s degree in education. She taught in Brownwood, Early, Zephyr, and San Angelo schools before retiring. She had been a resident of Brownwood since 1934 and was a long time member of First Baptist Church.
Mary is survived by her husband of 70 years, Lloyd Womack of Brownwood; a daughter, Mitzi Lehrer of Brownwood; a son, Tom Womack and wife, Judy, of San Angelo; nine grandchildren, Tres Womack and wife, Jennifer of Bastrop, Amy Peterson of San Angelo, Theresa Gibbs and husband, Ronnie, of Austin, Meloni Murray and husband, David, of San Angelo, Wendy Quesada and husband, Marco, of Bastrop, Robert Lehrer and wife, Liesel, of Snyder, and Mary Beck and husband, John, of Goliad; 16 great-grandchildren; and numerous nieces and nephews.
She was preceded in death by her parents, four sisters, five brothers and a son-in-law, Wayne Lehrer.
Memorials may be made to Howard Payne University, 1000 Fisk Ave, Brownwood, TX 76801.
San Angelo Standard – Times, Sunday December 28, 2003 San Angelo, Texas
Hi folks. I'm back this time with a WOMACK problem. Mary C. Womack (Dau. of Miles and Fanny Hawkins Womack) was said to have had an affair with Littlejohn S. McCargo and his will was dated May 7, 1889 and filed in Halifax Co.,VA. Mary C. for sure had two issue who were said to be by Littlejohn S. Anyway Littlejohn S. names both Jeff and Lillie as children of Mary C. Womack and says in his will that Mary C. was already deceased. He also names Lillie's husband as William Hudson and gives propery to both Lillie and Jeff. I find Mary C. with both Lillie (age 3) and Jefferson on the 1870 Halifax Co.,VA federal census. On the 1880 census I find Jeff married to his first wife "Molly" Mary Hudson, but I have been unable to find Lillie or Mary C. Womack. This means that Mary C. died between 1870-1889 when Lillie was young. Now on Rootsweb I find a Lillie Belle Womack b.7 Nov 1863 Halifax Co. VA who d. 3 Sept 1943 Halifax Co. VA This lillie Belle m.26 Nov 1884 Halifax Co. Va to William Robert Hudson and a descedant of theirs was Jefferson Davis Hudson. The marriage cert. per this Rootsweb site was signed by a Rebecca Womack for Lillie Belle. Who is this Rebecca? Is Womack her maiden or married name? Is Rebecca the mother of Lillie Belle or did she take care of Lillie after Mary C. died? In other words, is Lillie, daughter of Mary C the same person as Lillie Belle? They both married a William Hudson. Can anyone add more data to help me prove or disprove that Lillie Belle and Lillie are the same person? I think they might be the same and that Rebecca took care of Lillie after Mary C died. My husband is a descendant of Jefferson Davis Womack and his second wife Lucy Taylot Sneed/Snead. Thanks in advance for any help. Doretta
I am trying to learn more about L.T. Womack who married my great aunt, Julia Morris 9/11/1890 in Carter County Missouri. They had two children. Does anyone know who L.T. Womack's parents were, and where he came from or what L. T. stands for?
Jan, this may be Levi Teed Womack, Jr. Not sure though, Let me know if this helps.
Moved to Ozark County, Mo. about 1873.
1880 Census, Place: Jackson, Ozark, Missouri
Source: FHL Film 1254707 National Archives Film T9-0707 Page 540B
Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace
L. T. WOMAC Self M M W 55 TN
Occ: Farmer Fa: NC Mo: SC
Nancy WOMAC Wife F M W 52 NC
Occ: Keeping House Fa: NC Mo: NC
Lucy M. WOMAC Dau F S W 17 TN
Fa: TN Mo: NC
Henry WOMAC Son M S W 15 TN
Fa: TN Mo: NC
Levi T. WOMAC Son M S W 12 TN
Fa: TN Mo: NC
Nancy WOMAC Dau F S W 10 TN
Fa: TN Mo: NC
William C. WOMAC GDau F S W 8 TN
Fa: TN Mo: TN
Queen WOMAC Dau F S W 7 TN
Fa: TN Mo: NC
Happy New Year, Womacks!
I'm hoping to hear from anyone who's done some research on the Sheppard line. Besides Elizabeth Sheppard who married William Womack, it sounds like there was a Nancy Sheppard (Elizabeth's sister) who also married a Womack/Wommack (possibly another William?). Does anyone have further information on this line that they'd be willing to share with me?
I'm searching for the parents of John W. Wommack b. Sept. 28, 1833 AL...d. Jan 30, 1884, Grayson TX, married to Mary C. Weed Nov. 11, 1855 Chattahoochee, GA (Mary was born Oct. 18, 1835 in GA...d. Oct. 27, 1923 Grayson TX). They're both buried in Bethlehem Cemetery, Sadler, TX, along with a few of their children and even grandchildren. There's a Nancy S Wommack buried there who I haven't identified, but it seems quite possible she's John's mother (Sept. 15, 1800 to Mar 15, 1877). My mom thought John W's mother was a "Kelly," but that info might have been a mixup, since John W's daughter Laura married a Kelly. The dates and location (b. NC) I've seen for Nancy Sheppard make her a possibility, but I haven't been able to find out her marriage and/or death info. I don't know anything about John W's father...he likely died and was buried in AL or GA.
Thanks in advance for any help!
i am looking for some relatives of mine...does anybody out there know anything about the ancestors/descendants of pearl bolding/bolling...if you have info, please email me at firstname.lastname@example.org....thanx..jweisstruitt
Hello Ann, Sam and all. Ann, can you give again the site address for the PRO where you found the wills? Thanks. Now for some comments/questions on the three wills you have posted, Ann. One. The will of Lawrence probated 1656 mentions a house in Chatford. Bishop Lawrence's will mentions a Samuel Browne of Shatford. Could Shatford be Chatford or vice versa? Anyway neither appears in todays atlases. Two. Re the Bishop and Samuel Browne. The Bishop's first cousin Salathiel was the son of his uncle Henry and aunt Ann Browne. One Thomas Browne is a headright on Richard Womack I's 1673 Patent. Three. In the Bishop's will could Lamp be Kemp? Four. Will of William of Essex. Mary Cooke is another headright name on the patent of Richard Womack in 1673. Trouble is there were a million Mary Cookes.
I am searching for Phobee Womack.
Please see below.
Descendants of Joseph Riddle
Generation No. 1
1. JOSEPH1 RIDDLE was born Abt. 1820 in Alabama. He married PHOEBE WOMACK Abt. 1840. She was born Abt. 1820 in Florida.
Children of JOSEPH RIDDLE and PHOEBE WOMACK are:
i. MOSES2 RIDDLE.
ii. JESSE RIDDLE.
2. iii. ELIZABETH LAURA "BETTY" RIDDLE, b. January 12, 1848, Indian Territory; d. March 07, 1916, Poteau, Le Flore County, Oklahoma.
Generation No. 2
2. ELIZABETH LAURA "BETTY"2 RIDDLE (JOSEPH1) was born January 12, 1848 in Indian Territory, and died March 07, 1916 in Poteau, Le Flore County, Oklahoma. She married THOMAS JEFFERSON WALL May 05, 1869 in Skullyville, Indian Territory (Oklahoma), son of THOMAS WALL and CATHERINE HALL. He was born July 30, 1848 in Tennessee, and died November 17, 1911 in Rock Island, Oklahoma.
Notes for ELIZABETH LAURA "BETTY" RIDDLE:
"Lizzie B.", widowed, was enumerated in the 1910 Oklahoma census, Le Flore County, Poteau City, ED 160, page 108. Lizzie states that she is the mother of 13 with 7 living.
More About ELIZABETH LAURA "BETTY" RIDDLE:
Burial: Oaklawn Cemetery, Poteau, Le Flore Co., Oklahoma
Notes for THOMAS JEFFERSON WALL:
Thomas and family were enumerated inthe 1885 Skullyville, Indian Territory census.
Thomas 36, Farmer; Betty 37; Tripheny 14; Bos 13; Biaza 11; Ada 10; Ida 7; Katy 6; Jesse 5; Thomas Jr. 4; Evy 3; and Ella 1.
More About THOMAS JEFFERSON WALL:
Burial: Old Wall Homestead Cemetery, Near Rock Island, Oklahoma
Thomas Jefferson was father to my grandfather, Thomas Benjamin WALL.
is the PRO site - choose documents on-line
As for Bishop L's will. It says "Samuel Browne of Shatford in the said County of Sufflok." That could be Stratford with the t and r run together....
The Lamp could be Kemp. Taking a very very close look at the witnesses I couldn't decipher before, looks like Robert Kemp, John Mayhew? and Wm Whimropp?
That Ke is most distinct than the one in the codicil, but this still isn't the easiest thing in the world to read.
In L's will, it's either Chatford or Thatford - the writer has a funny T that can look like a C, and there aren't that many C's to compare it with.
You want to take a gander at these? Ann
Ann and David,
You noted Thatford or Chatford---Another possible location to check is Thetford in Norfolk, about 30 miles west of Lopham.
Ann and Fred. Yes Ann I want to take a peek. Fred - Thetford is a great thought. Actually 10 miles at most from the Lophams and a corner of the Dereham-Norwich-Diss-Thetford Womack rectangle. Ann - the Kemps of Gissing Norfolk - in the Womack rectangle - were the Kemps of Colonial Virginia. Will do some research in my files on Robert Kemps. PS thanks for all the help! David.
I don't guess there is any order in the DNA markers coming back, at least not in the order we sent them in. I see Darrell L, Mark D, and William S., markers have come back in. You guys, I would sure like to see what you have. Send me an email.
I just sent the lab an e mail asking why mine hasnt been done and why they were not done in the order received -- also advised them if there was a problem with the sample, or if it has been lost, they should have already notified me -- no bloody excuse I can see --
Sam, maybe they just thought you needed a good exercise in patience. Another opportunity for personal growth. I don't know why they're coming back in a different order, but at least there starting to come back. From what I have seen so far, I'm the only one that has something amiss in my genepool. Mark and Jacks markers are the same except 1 mutation in the Gata-H4 marker perfectly acceptable, all he will need to do is find more in his line to do the test to find where this mutation occured as it will be specific to his line. I'm sure he will be able to hone in on his line now. I can't wait to see all of these if more come back with that 1 mutation then it's going to tell us a lot. At Y-Base.org there is a group of Lovelace's that's connected with our Womacks mine is only 1 mutation off of theirs, so this is going to be interesting. Robert is going to do a page on all of us who want to have their haplotypes on the net once everything gets in, so all of you waiting on this it shouldn't be to long. I need to find some other males in my William Womack & Catherine, line to enter in this study, so we can find out where our markers came from. If I didn't look so much like my dad I would start there, but I suspect it happened earlier, I hope!!
WOW, I may have jumped the gun on my DNA, Darrel and my DNA is the same except for 1 marker, and he comes down Richards line. This is getting real interesting. as Darrel and I are in connected for sure.
That was sort of a low blow ya know..
However, mebbe I dont understand this as well as I thought I did - if the first Abe and the first Richard were brothers, why would there be a difference??
Appears to me the explanation of carrying down from father to son would be the same if there were 10 brothers and they all had 10 boys and they had 10 and so on, the DNA should be the same as I understand it - little to no dilution -- Now if you and Darrell came thru one of the Richard's lines - that is mine too and mine should match the two of you -- at least by the standards anyway -- so if Jack and Mark came thru Abe who goes back to the first Abe who was the first Richard's brother (at least as we know it), why would there be any difference??
I guess what I am asking is: How could we have two distinctly different Womack lines unless there were two or more in UK and not related except by name??
Sam, they should be the same, but they're not. It's to early to tell based on what we have back so far, but if yours and others come back like mine. Then we may have something to work with. We can just about bet Mark came down that Abraham line at some point, as well as Jack and the Blantons. So now the question is which line has the milkman in it? I was thinking it was just mine but now it's getting real interesting.
You know what Sam? If we get a bunch of these markers the same on each line we may need to get some of those English Womacks to see what they have as this may clarify which line is truly the Womack line. I just assumed Jacks and the Blantons was correct but now that they are coming back as two distinct different lines how do we know which one is correct? Unless we can pick up some of those English folks to join in this study. At this point it looks like the milkman came in the picture back there in Abraham and Richard's timetable. We need some of Johns line. It's still to early to tell much but getting more interesting because now I'm not the only one that will be looking for the culprit.
>why would there be a difference??
This is what is politely called a non-paternal event....
If you trace enough branches of the line, you can actually figure out who the non-paternal event was....
It should be interesting to see how Carlo's comes back, because that's a Richard line on the paternal side and only about 8 generations from Richard, as opposed to some of us who are 13 or 14 generations back.
BTW, Sam. That don't mean I came down Richards line it's a possibility as I have never been able to prove my William, father of Larkin was the son of Francis son of Thomas and Mary Farley. If others in this Thomas and Mary line come back with the same markers as me then they should be the same as Richards line. Now if they come back as Jacks and the Blantons then the issue may be with the affair with Nancy Blanton, Abe may have taken the rap for something he didnt do. It's a bit to early to tell but we will know soon.
Now, theres about two, mebbe three, of ya that posted queries here -I responded with information on those posts via e mail - I have yet any acknowledgement that you received that info or sent anything back to contribute - what is the problem?
As Rog says we post and sit back and hope - I am not that way - you ask and I give then at least let me know you got what I sent?? Has courtesy died??
Sam, if you sent anything to me on email, I'm at work so I can't read it or respond till I get home. I'm just watching the message page from work.
not talking about you - those involved know who I am talking about -
My Great Grandmother was RosaBell Wommack, born august 1850 in Halifax County, VA Dau of William Creed Womack and Elizabeth Stegall who were married in july 1832, going on back to Abraham? Rosa Belle Married Robert Walton Henry ,Sept 25 1867 in weakly County TN their children, James, Sallie A, Willie Mae July 23, 1888, Robert Belle, Willie Mae married Robert Winston McDaniel, if anyone is interested, they had 9 children one of whom married my father.
I am interested in your line and I am sure Mark Womack is also. Your line is Mark's line as well. I am interested because my line is the other one in Halifax. Can you shed any light on William Creed and his family after he left Halifax? Also interested in any help concerning ancestors of William Creed like names of his grandchildren that might give a clue of their ancestors. I have six children for William Creed Womack and Elizabeth Stegall, but the only one I had a spouse for was Rosa Belle, but I didn't have his middle name. I didn't have any of their children. Thanks. I have some information on William Creed's siblings, spouses, children.
Doris (Womack) Cox
I am looking for information on my grandmother Margaret Ivy Womack. She married Jesse R. Cates in Dallas County in 1916. She married under Maggie I. Womack. Anyone have information?
Thanks. I did a quick check at the site, very nice. Is there anything you need about William Creed and family or ancestors that I may have? You could ask your relatives if they know where their family came from before they came to Halifax, the name of the oldest relative they know, and if someone in the family might have an old Family Bible; wouldn't that be wonderful.
Mark will be excited to find a descendent of William Creed Womack. I don't know how often he checks the postings.
From the WGN page where you read postings, at the top above the posts, you should see "Home" click on that, it takes you to the Womack Genealogy Network homepage, at that page scroll down and to the right and you will see a search engine, type in "Creed" or "Halifax" and every post at WGN which has ever been made about Creed or Halifax will come up. If I remember, someone else posted something about William Creed Womack. You could try Stegall or Steagall as a search term also.
All this talk about the DNA is confusing to me. If you are already comparing markers, is there a site where we can view these results? I am getting anxious to receive ours.
thank you. I found some more that I didn't have. I only have back thru Wm Creed.I havent' had a chance yet to talk to anyone.Me being the youngest of 6 kids, and I am 50, so I have waited too long I am afraid,most of my Mom's family are gone.It would be interesting to me to know how WM Creed and Elizabeth got together,on this site I sent, it talks about Poplar Bluff, Mo, as well as MS, TN and KY.Maybe there is some info somewhere, just keep digging, right?I live in NW TN, so I think I am in a good spot.
Hello again! I've been corresponding with a wonderful Sheppard researcher and have a couple more clues...I'm hoping someone has a little more info on these particular Wommacks. Even if Nancy Sheppard wasn't the Nancy Wommack I'm looking for, perhaps it will help the Elizabeth Sheppard/William Womack researchers.
Evidently John & Elizabeth Sheppard lived next door to Britain Womack in the 1800 and 1810 Censuses, Moore Co, NC. There may be some connection with Britain to the two Womack boys who married Sheppard girls. Also, Elizabeth Sheppard Wommack (wife of John) was living in Marion Co, GA (1850 Census) with Asa Womack (b. 1835 AL) and Andrew Womack (b. 1839)...probably her grandchildren. I've read a few things that say their mother was a Sheppard, possibly Nancy.
The Womack/Wommack-Sheppard marriages would have taken place between 1820 and 1830 NC.
If anyone has info on Britain, Andrew or Asa that might be helpful, I'd really appreciate it. I have to scour through my records now as well. If I find anything, I'll be sure to post it.
Will you send me what you have on William Creed. I would appreciate it.
Understand yer concern - I was the 3rd to submit, yet some who submited after me have received results - no offense to them - However, when this is over, I will take those people to task about doing things in the order received - not haphazardly or whatever -- At this point, I am not sure I can trust their results -- I, we, may be stuck because we paid for it -- but, I think I will try another and pay a little more and see if the results are even close - And, Robert no hit on you, you had no idea, this was a chance; but so far the results I have heard are so far off - I wonder if some of us are even related at all!!
First, I would like to apologize to everyone for not keeping up with my email the past few weeks. Work has been incredibly busy and I've been working at least 10 hours a day every day since late December. But we met our deadline, so now I have a little respite (at least until the next deadline in 6 weeks).
I will be trying to catch up on email and the DNA web page this weekend (three whole days off!).
I have not read all the posts for the past couple weeks, but enough to know people are getting anxious. I do agree with Sam that results should have come back in the order in which they got the kits back.
As far as viewing all the results, for now those are private to each individual. Only Jack (who is co-admin) and I should be able to see all the results. Jack or I will notify those participant who are exact matches or close (one or two markers apart) about each other so they can compare lines and research. The final report will have the full results of everyone who does not wish to opt out. That report will appear at the project web site for a while, and then I will donate it to WGN.
As Jack reminds me, it is too early to draw too many conclusions. That said, we have had some exact matches, and some within one marker.
I received an email from Alastair who is our contact at DNA Heritage. It arrived on the 18th, but I just got a chance to check my email today. Basically, he apologizes for the delay, says the lab is swamped, and offers partial or complete refunds. I'll forward the email tomorrow to those participants who have not yet got their results. They have not started on the lab work yet for the last two to sign up (Ernest and Alvis). The other 7 kits (Sam, Carlos, Fred, Warren, Brian, Paul, and Alton) are in various states of completion, ranging from 12 to 20 of the 21 markers complete. Alastair says these tests may be complete in the next week. He is offering a 2% refund for every day beyond 5 weeks your results are late, which I think is very fair. So, if your results are two weeks late, you can get a 28% refund. Or, you cancel the whole thing and get a full refund (bot no results). Anyhow, I'll forward the email to those affected so they can read it for themselves.
FYI, my markers are as follows:
14 11 15 12 13 29 24 10 13 13 12 12 15 12 11 11 11 11 13 25 12
I did a quick comparison and saw that I differ from 6 to 11 markers from the 4 Womacks whose test have come back. This makes sense, given that my surname is Burke. That many differences mean no relationship at all, at least between our direct paternal lines.
For a quick overview of what the differences in the markers mean, see http://www.dnaheritage.com/tutorial1.asp
Basically, if you have an exact match AND the same surname (or variation thereof) AND good genealogy research, then you are related. One difference along with good research still means you are almost certainly related. Two or more differences, then the likelihood of a relationship starts dropping fast.
Thanks to Doris, Roger and Mark for the information and help. I applaud the hard work of all of you on this site. I appreciate any help from anyone. and will be glad to share what I have.
I would like info from anyone that could tell me about James Jasper Womack who lived in McMinville, Tenn. and was married to Julia Ann Parker. He also had a twin brother named John Newton Womack. Annelleg @aol.com.
Just reread that again on the 2% per day - Heck, if that is so my 5 weeks were over Dec 26th - so am at 30 days now it seems - they keep on, may get it all back!!
I sent you two e mails the first boinced using the addy you have here in WGN.
The second one I modified your addy and it has not bounced, it contained the complete linage. If you received it please acknowledge or post correct e mail addy and I will resend.
Sam, I think they are trying to teach you patience, I see Alton, Paul and Warren's has been posted. Would you three please send me your markers, I'll put them on the list I am making for comparison, then send you the chart back.
Monday, January 26, 2004 at 23:46:22 (PST)
DNA Project Update
1) I would like to welcome Lyle Womack, care of his daughter Margy Granger, as the newest participant. You can see Lyle's line at the participants page.
2) I just logged into the DNA Heritage site. According to the chart, the results are back from the lab for Warren, Paul, Alton, Alvis, Ernest, Carlos, and Brian (Joel B). However, there is no check yet in the "Preliminary results sent out" column. This means their emails have not yet been sent out,
and their data has not been yet added to the page for Jack or me to see. I guess it takes a little time to format stuff and send the emails. Also, a
lot of businesses around the world (including mine) were hit pretty hard today with the new computer virus that going around.
3) I have not yet forwarded the email from Alastair concerning the possibility of refunds because after I reread the email, I had a few points I wanted
him to clarify. I sent him an email very early Monday morning and I am waiting for a reply. Frankly, I was hoping that most of the tests would come in soon and make the whole refund thing a moot point.
4) In Alastair's letter, here was the completion status for each participant's whose sample has been sent to the lab. This shows how may markers (out of 21) were tested at the time Alastair sent the email:
Alton - 20
Sam - 15
Fred - 16
Paul - 20
Carlos - 12
Warren - 14
Brian - 15
5) Concerning the possibilty of refunds, remember that the results are late 5 weeks after DNA Heritage got your kit back. NOT 5 weeks after you joined
the project. I know for a fact that some people took the test and sent the kit back the next day after they got it, while a few others waited a couple
days. The DNA Heritage folks cannot be responsible for the time it takes someone to take the test and return the kit. So, the order you signed up is
not necessarily the order in which the kits got back to DNA Heritage. Unfortuanately, the chart at DNA Heritage does not have the dates they arrived, and I was not keeping track. This explains some of the randomness in the order in which results came back. Also, some people's samples may have simply been better, with more cheek cells to extract the DNA from. I know they have ways of testing even with very small amounts of DNA, but this takes a little longer than if they were working with a better sample.
6) I, for one, was never confident that we would see most of the results before late January given that the holidays were coming up, and the simple fact that most things people try to do seem to take 50-100% longer than you thought they would.
7) Alastair has kept me updated on the situation, and apologized, and offered refunds. I'm not sure what else he can do. If anyone is at fault, it is me for not relaying this information to the participants promptly.
8) Given the definition of "late" above (ie, 5 weeks after DNA Heritage got your kit back), I do not think anyone's results are more than two weeks late. Please let me know if I am mistaken. I know everyone is anxious. I really have nothing more to say, other than please try to be patient for a few more days.
9) If anyone wants a complete refund (with no results) or a partial refund, I will have to handle that, since, from DNA Heritage's point of view, I paid for the first 14 tests (though the participants in turn paid me). Some of this is dependent upon Alastairs response to my email asking for clarification of some points. For example, I'm not certain that if you wait to get full results, that you are eligible for any refund (ie, I think you can ask them to stop now, get partial results, and get a refund based upon lateness and how many markers are missing). That is one of the things I have asked Alastair to clarify. First, I hope everyone is willing to wait for the lab to get complete results, so our comparisons are meaningful. Second, if you wait for complete results, AND they are late, AND DNA Heritage says you can get a partial refund, I am hoping that the amount is so small for most people that it is not worth the hassle (especially since most of that hassle falls on my shoulders). I can understand that some people want the refund as a matter of principal. I guess the way it will work is that DNA Heritage will refund my credit card, and then I'll send you a money order.
10) My role as admin of the DNA project has turned out to be significantly more involved than simply collecting the money for the tests. In hindsight, I
probably should not have volunteered. Mostly, because with my career going full steam, I do not always have the time the project deserves. But I also
realize that some people are disappointed with the service from the testing company we went with, and that somewhat reflects on me. I guess we are all
learning from this experience. Not sure what else I can say.
Here is the order in which the kits were received:
Yours Nov 13
Roger Nov 15
Sam Nov 19
Carlos Nov 20
Paul, Darrell, Fred Nov 24
Mark Nov 25
Steve Nov 28
Alton Dec 01
Ernest, Alvis, Warren Dec 09
Joel Dec 18
Go to Project Page and place cursor over checkmark on date received -
also each persons personal page gives the date in the clear --
Heads up out there in Gene land! Your genealogy files are precious.
New virus infects PCs
Antivirus firms warned on Monday of a high-risk,
new mass-mailing computer virus that had gained a
foothold in a large number of PCs by masquerading
itself as an e-mail error, and targeted the SCO
Group's Web server with a flood of data. The virus,
dubbed MyDoom, arrives in an in-box with one
of several different random subject lines, such as "Mail
Delivery System," "Test," or "Mail Transaction Failed."
The body of the e-mail contains an executable file and
a statement such as: "The message contains Unicode
characters and has been sent as a binary attachment."
So far today I have received over TWO DOZEN attempts today. I spent most of yestery backing up my PC and also installed another Anti Virus program (AVG) to back up my Norten. The virus is so new people have not had time to update their antivirus definitions.
I just recieved these.
1. foxfeedback (@) foxnews.com subject; Mail transaction failed. Partial message available.(it was a virus)
2. miles @ mail. chiles.Leon.k12.fl.us TEST (this one spoofed a senior in a
My MailWasher pogram let me bounce them even before they were downloaded into my mail box, of course the addresses were spoofed.
NOTE; This didn't even get to my antivirus program, if it had the chances of them being updated with a definition to catch them were slim. These kiddie script writers depend on spreading a virus around before the AV folks can write a catch.
Holy Hannah! I just got another attempt while writing this. It was from mailer deamon at AOL. This things in the wild now so be careful. Anyone wanting the free MailWasher program can get it at their website , easy to use but don't know if the free version works with Hotmail and AOL, the pro version will.
Roger, Sent the information by e-mail today. Robert, I for one, am content with the information. I also figured that the holidays were going to slow things down somewhat. I am intrigued to find out what the numbers will show. Thanks again to all for the opportunity to participate and the website.
I have been doing some research on my family,s history. My great grandmother was Mary Eunice Wolmack and her parents lived in Appomattox, Virginia. Her father was a scout for the civil war, which at that time was called, Indian Scouting Service. My great great grandparents are native american indians. One is Sioux and the other is blackfoot. I can trace this all the way to Montana and Canada. My question is were native american indians made to take so called christian names. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks email@example.com
Just checked my email and had two surprises. One was a refund to my credit card of $181.92 from DNA Heritage. The second was from Alastair at DNA Heritage, which I am pasting below. So, I guess some people will be getting partial refunds which I will have to mail them via money orders. Alastair just went ahead and gave us the partial refunds, I never asked. As I said before, he has been very fair in his dealing with us. I hope this helps to alleviate the concerns of some.
Hopefully you have been able to check Oracle today and have seen that
the majority of results are now available. Fred and Samuel's results
are almost complete - just DYS385a and DYS385b to go.
As some customers may be aware, the university genetics laboratory
performing the Y-chromosome STR analysis on our behalf has been unable
to provide results within the timeframe that they had originally agreed.
Thus, some results have been released later than the suggested 5-6
We took the necessary decision several days ago to suspend accepting
more orders until the laboratory can sort out the cause of the delays.
We fully expect to be in a position to re-provide our service shortly,
but as part of our ongoing comittment to customers we have compensated
in the form of refunds those customers who were most affected.
Thus, today your credit card has been refunded with the amount of
US$181.92. This amount was based on how many days late your results
were released working on 2% refund per day. The breakdown is as
Alton Wayne Womack 32.0036
Paul Gordon Womack 43.7944
Warren Wayne Womack 18.5284
Alvis Hovis Womack 18.5284
Carlos Uvalto Womack 50.532
Ernest LaVerne Womack 18.5284
When Fred and Samuel's results are ready (which I'm fairly certain will
be soon), I shall make refunds based on the same 2% per day late (this
is on the assumption you wish to wait until they are both fully ready).
It says alot about a company when they do something without asking. I would have no problem doing business with DNA Heritage in the future and I feel confident in the results so far. I sure would like to get a few more folks involved as we definately got us a mess going on in our DNA so far.
Hopefully when all the results are in, the "Mess" will get untangled! Atleast we'll know more than we do now. I appreciate the opportunity to participate and thank those who organized the project.
I am trying to figure out how I can participate in the DNA project. I am a female only child of a female of a female of a female Womack. The only male Womack in my line is six generations back and (I am pretty sure no longer living). Is there any DNA process for me? Let me show my line and see if you can help me.
It appears that from one (or more) of the first Womack brothers I have three Womack lines that merge back into one with Rhoda Jane Womack ( my great-great grandmother) I would think there would be some way for me to be tested directly, but I don't really understand the tests or the expiations on the DNA site.
I am sure I could understand them if I had more time to research and study the subject.
I would think that someone who is knowledgeable in this area could assist me in finding a test that is right for me. With three Womack lines converging I would think that I might be an interesting subject, but maybe this is only interesting to me.
Abraham Womack 9a and Elizabeth Stubblefield
Jacob Womack 9b and Martha Maiden Unknown
Thomas Womack 9c and Louvisa Rice
William Womack - 8a and Lucinda (Lucy) Womack - 8c (Both from Womack Lines)
Martha Womack -8b and Robert Bean Sr
(Levi Berry Womack- 7a, and Martha Bean - 7b (Both from Womack Lines)
William Riley Womack - 6 and Lucretia Taylor Womack
Rhoda Jane Womack - 5
Eva Zell Stevens - 4(one of six children. five female - one male. )
Janie Singleton - 3 (one of three children two female - one male)
Ella Braziel - 2 ( one of four female children)
Me - 1 (only child - female)
(Diana Walker Sphar)
The test being performed are on the Y Chromosome which is passed from father to son only. The female does not enter into test. There is a DNA test that can determine female to female and others factions of family relations but none that I know of that would be compatible with the on going test.
My advice would be to have a very good documented genealogy for the line as you have it. From there you will be able to trace Abraham Jr.1727 and Elizabeth Stubblefield back to Abraham Sr. 1708 then to Thomas Sr.1762 , Abraham 1644 and the elusive William the immigrant if he is out there.
The DNA info that is coming back will support your lineage IF your records to Abe Jr. are correct. The only deveation you might come up with is after Abe Jr. such as a "non paternal" event or an adoption.
My data back to William Riley Womack is directly from my Great-grandmother and I am now collecting documentation and hard evidence. (birth certificates, marriage documents, census records and so forth to complete the picture).
The information I have from William Riley back is mainly from WGN and I don't have all of the documentation to prove it, but I am hoping that much of the information I have received from other researchers will assist me in finding the documentation that I need.
I am also hoping that others in my line might consider allowing me to have copies of the documentation that they have found. I am very new to genealogy and have a long way to go to prove all of my connections.
Diana Walker Sphar
My grandmother on my mother's side was Icey Filena (Womack) Goolsby. She died when my mother was 3 years old. Mom told me that Icey had a brother named Oscar and a sister namean Dean who married Joe Steel. Their parents, which would be my great grandparrents, were Bethal Hall Womack and Martha (Roberts) Womack. Bethal was born May 24, 1859 and died December 6, 1933. This was taken from his toombstone in Pleasant View Cemetary, near Silver Point, Tennessee. The stone list Ellander Womack as his wife. Mom told me that this was his second or third wife and that her maiden name was LaFevers.
I seem to go down rabbit trails but I would like to know more about the family, I havent been able to find any documentation as to when Ice was born or when she died. Icey married John Goolsby who remarried after her death but ,allas, both of them are dead also. If anyone can supply any information I would appreciate it. Everett firstname.lastname@example.org
Here is a partial transcription of the 1900 Census for your family:
1900 TN Putnam, 13 Dist, SD 4 ED 71, p.102A, sheet 2B, line 60, house 27 - Wamak, Beth H (41), Martha T (wife, 32), Oscar W (son, 10), Rebecca (Dau, 8), Isie F (Dau, 5).
From what I could gather, there were two Bethel H. Womacks who were first cousins and very close in age, so it makes them difficult to tell apart. To make it more confusing, both Bethels had mothers named Rebecca. Their fathers were Solomon and William C Womack, both sons of William "Big Billy" Womack. There are plenty of people researching that line, so you should have no trouble finding help.
Thanks Robert, this is a big help and a place to start.
The line you are searching for is my line. The Bethel Womacks in question are JOHN Bethel Womack b. Feb. 03, 1860, He was the son of Solomon ( my GGF) and Rebecca Norris Womack , He is often refered to as Bethel. He married Hattie T. Bethel Oct.
Looking for info on my ancestors and don't really know where to start.
My father is Harold VanBuren Womack, born in Acworth, Georgia in 1935. His father was Homer Womack, also of Acworth ( born about 1913 ) ,who married Tennie Crew. Homer's father was Joseph Womack (eventually lived in Acworth,Ga, but not sure where he was born)
Saturday, January 31, 2004 at 13:18:58 (PST)
Hit the wrong button will continue. JOHN BETHEL Womack and Hattie were married October 12, 1880 in Liberty, DeKalb Co Tn. DeKalb Co. TN. marriages J. B. Womack to Hattie Bethel 12 Oct. 1880.
1900 DeKalb Co.TN. census dist. 2 Liberty
Bethel WOMACK 40 Feb 1860 m. 20 yrs.
Hattie 46 Apr. 1854 mother of 2; 2 living
Virgil 18 Feb. 1882
Norman 15 Nov. 1889
Hattie and John are both buried in the Salem Cemetery DeKalb Co. TN.
The other BETHEL H. Womack b. Jan.1859 is the son of Solomon,s brother, William C. Womack and Rebecca Dunham. BETHEL H. married L.A. STEWART.
White Co.TN marriages Jan. 24, 1883 B. H. WAMACK (age 23 born Dekalb Co.TN) to L. A. STEWART (age 29).
Bethel's middle name is believed to be Hatfield afetr his maternal grandmother, Elizabeth Hatfield.
I am aware that the LDS has different info on this but I would differ with what is there. Both are in my direct line.
Another thing you will run across is William C and Rebecca having a son named Pickney. The LDS shows they have one, BUT they did not. Their son William D.P. Womack was often called Pickney, his actual name was William Doctor Pickney and is listed in many census as William D.P. The name Doctor Pickney seemed to be held in high regard because there were several named so in the Womack lines.