October 2003 Message Archive
There is a connection to Bedford there, I have James Wiley Womack, as the son of David Jr. born on Bedford Co., son of David, possibly the father of Josiah? I don't know who he belongs to, but circumstances are putting him and their families close.
Didnt mean to de-mean - working backwards helps also - but Josiah as a son of Alex Jr I dont think is much of a possibility - since most of the sons named sons after themselves and etc - this would be the only oddball in the bunch--
Anyway, guess we keep on truckin'!!
I am attempting to determine whether Martha Womack (b. March 24, 1763, VA.,
son of Thomas Womack Jr. and Mary (?); d. March 22, 1849, Lawrence County, IN.)
is my fourth great-grandaunt or my fourth great-grandmother. This message
explains the reason for my uncertainty.
I know that James Hurt, who is sometimes referred today to as James Hurt III (b. May 10, 1801(?), Barren County, KY.; d. July 3, 1857, Lawrence County, IN.), is definitely my third great-grandfather. James III moved from Barren County, KY., to Lawrence County, IN. in the mid-1820s along with James Hurt II, a Revolutionary War veteran from Virginia who was the husband of Martha Womack. Family tradition says that James III was the nephew of James II and the son of William Hurt, who stayed behind in Barren County, KY., while both his brother and son were emigrating north to Indiana together. James II and William Hurt were both sons of James Hurt I (b. 1732, Prince Edward County, VA., d. November 18, 1816).
However, contrary to the traditional story, some Hurt/Hert descendants believe that James Hurt III was actually the son of James Hurt II rather than his nephew. That idea would seem to be supported by three factors: (1) they have the same first names (although the use of the Roman numerals appears to be a modern genealogical application rather than a reflection of contemporary historical use); (2) the two men moved their families from Kentucky to Indiana together (James Hurt Sr. and James Hurt are listed as living in adjoining households in the 1830 Lawrence County, Indiana, census); and (3) James Hurt III later named one of his sons Anthony Womack Hert (who was my second great-grandfather). It seems a bit odd to me that James Hurt III would have given a child a middle name derived from the maiden surname of his aunt even if they were living next door, but it seems far easier to explain if he was giving his son a middle name based upon honoring his mother's maiden name, i.e., Womack.
I am unaware of any contemporary historical record that definitively resolves this question. The earliest record of which I have any knowledge is a handwritten family history penned by an unnamed Hert family member sometime in the 1920s that is now found in the archives of the Lawrence County Historical Society; this is the account that names William as the father of James III. No sources are listed so it is apparently based upon oral tradition.
James II and Martha Womack Hurt supposedly had six children, Mary, Martha, Elizabeth, Judah, Dionica and Allen. However, I do not have enough information regarding the birthdates of these six to be able to exclude James III as a possible seventh child.
If there are any Womack researchers out there who have any definitive information that resolves the question of whether James III was one of Martha Womack Hurt's children, I would be most gratified to hear from them. Thank you for any assistance and documentation you can provide.
Los Angeles, California
As of right now, I do not have any more info on Josiah Womack than what I have presented here at WGN and at my own web pages. I'll try to get back to Nashville sometime in the next few weeks and see if I can find anything else. In the meantime, I have often found that tracing the families of close relatives can often give clues to my own lines, plus it helps other folks.
I'm pretty sure that the info on Hannah Kilburn Womack, widow of James Wiley, in the 1860 Census of Scott Co, AR is fairly new (or, if anyone else found it first, they did not publicize it on the internet), so that might help someone studying this line. Also, found a photo of Andrew Johnson Womack, son of James Wiley and Hannah, here: http://www.rootsweb.com/~arscott/womack.htm
If I am correct about Josiah Womack being the son of David, then Andrew Johnson Womack was the second cousin of my gg-grandfather, Robert Caldwell Womack. I have photos of Robert and his brother David. I know you cannot read too much into family resemblance between second cousins, but I can see some similiarities.
Question for Roger and Sam:
This is about the David Womack whose widow and children were in the 1860 Census of Scott Co, AR.
If I am reading the posts correctly, you both have this David as a grandson of the Alexander Womack whose will was probated in 1784 in Campbell Co, VA. However, Roger has David as the son of David, while Sam has him as the son of Alexander. I know the terms Jr and Sr in old records did not necessarily imply a father-son relationship. I would be interested in what you (Roger and Sam) have for the children of the brothers David and Alexander.
Here is what I have (some of this is theory): Childen of David - Michael, David, Hawkins, Josiah. Children of Alexander - William, Jacob, Elisha, possibly Peter. I know I am missing some.
From what I gather, three Womack brothers, David, Alexander, and Richard, moved to Bedford Co, TN around 1806-1807, but Richard soon moved on to Wilson Co, TN. Some of the counties around Bedford were inhabited at various times with Womacks from other lines, but Bedford appears to have only had the Alexander (died 1784) line, at least prior to 1850. Thus, any Womacks found in Bedford prior to 1850 were the brothers David and Alexander themselves, or their children, grandkids, etc. The Womacks in Bedford lived near Flat Creek, and subsequently some moved into modern Moore Co (then part of Lincoln Co).
Hi researchers of Tenn lines. When was Wilson Co., Tenn formed? From what county/counties? When were the counties around formed and from what counties? Many times some family conection owned the farm over the years, but the taxes were paid to different courthouses because county boundries moved, Is that possible with some Womacks and their family conections? Also sometimes settlers re-recorded their land after a new courthouse was built. They were serious about their land ownership. My understanding is that Bedford County,Tenn was formed Dec 1807 from Rutherford County, Tenn which was formed in 1803. Doretta
Am at work so dont have me files - but Peter and Elisha no go on Alex Sr nor
See this link:
It has maps showing the formation of Tennessee counties, I use it all the time. You can see what the county boundaries were for any year.
Robert: Thanks for the site address for Tennesse' counties. I know stuff is out there, but being new to computer researching I don't most times know how to find what I am looking for. Its like being back in school. Thanks again. Doretta
OK Rolbert, this is it they aint no more - asi I said earlier today forget
Peter and Elisha as sons of either of these
1 Alexander 1 Womack b: 1710 Dale Parish, Henrico County, VA d: Bef. Apr 01, 1784 Prince Edward Co VA
.. +Martha 2 b: Abt. 1720 m: Dec 13, 1742
......... 2 Jane 03 Womack
............. +? Tomison
......... *2nd Husband of Jane 03 Womack:
............. +Unknown Tomison b: Bet. 1714 - 1760 d: Bet. 1753 - 1837
......... 2 Martha 2 Womack
............. +Robert Rutledge
......... 2 Matthew Womack b: Aft. 1742 d: Bef. Aug 26, 1782
......... 2 Alexander 2 Womack b: Aft. 1742 VA d: VA
............. +Milly Buckner b: VA d: VA m: Abt. 1762 VA
......... *2nd Wife of Alexander 2 Womack:
............. +Sarah McDearmon b: Bet. 1754 - 1781 d: Bet. 1803 - 1871 m: Dec 25, 1798 Prince Edward Co VA
......... 2 Ann 1 Womack b: Abt. 1745
............. +Adam Driscoll b: Bet. 1714 - 1760 Ireland
......... *2nd Husband of Ann 1 Womack:
............. +Adam Driscoll b: Bet. 1714 - 1760 Ireland
......... *3rd Husband of Ann 1 Womack:
............. +Adam Driscoll b: Ireland
......... 2 Judith "Juda" Womack b: Abt. 1745
............. +John Richard
......... 2 Elizabeth 03 Womack b: Abt. 1745 d: Bet. 1746 - 1839
............. +Michael Mason b: Bet. 1714 - 1760 d: Bet. 1753 - 1837
......... 2 Jean Womack b: Abt. 1745 era
......... 2 Richard 07 Womack b: Abt. 1755 Amelia or Prince Edward Co VA d: Sep 04, 1819 Wilson Co TN?
............. +Rachel 2 b: Abt. 1760 d: 1839
......... 2 David 03 Womack b: Abt. 1765 VA
............. +Elizabeth 07 b: Abt. 1773 VA m: Bef. 1794
Descendants of Alexander 2 Womack
1 Alexander 2 Womack b: Aft. 1742 VA d: VA
.. +Milly Buckner b: VA d: VA m: Abt. 1762 VA
......... 2 Edmund 1 Womack b: Abt. 1764 Prob VA
............. +Mourning Bonner b: Prob VA
......... 2 Jacob 01 Womack b: Abt. 1765 Lunenburg Co VA d: Jul 30, 1847 McMinn Co TN
............. +Mary Wills b: Abt. 1765 Charlotte Co Va d: Oct 03, 1845 McMinn Co TN m: Abt. 1794 Virginia
......... 2 William 30 Womack b: Abt. 1768 VA d: TN
............. +Margaret 2 Ellis b: 1769 d: Bef. 1816 m: Feb 04, 1790 Lunenburg Co, VA
......... *2nd Wife of William 30 Womack:
............. +Frances (Fannie) ? m: Abt. 1816
......... 2 Elizabeth 07 Womack b: Abt. 1775 VA
............. +Henry Jr Buckner d: Fayette Co KY m: Jul 30, 1792 Charlotte Co VA
......... 2 Judith 3 Womack b: Abt. 1776 d: Abt. 1856
............. +James Buckner d: Abt. 1863
......... 2 Mary 11 Womack b: Abt. 1780
............. +Adin Mason m: Dec 18, 1806
......... 2 Buckner Womack b: Abt. 1789 VA d: Apr 24, 1856 Rushville IL
............. +Nancy ? b: Abt. 1792 va m: Bef. 1818
......... 2 James Alexander III Womack b: 1797 VA d: Abt. 1874 McMinnville, Tn
............. +Mary Neal b: Abt. 1802 NC d: Abt. 1832 NC m: Abt. 1821 Rutherford Co NC
......... *2nd Wife of James Alexander III Womack:
............. +Freelove Thompson b: Abt. 1805 d: Abt. 1877 m: Aft. 1832
*2nd Wife of Alexander 2 Womack:
.. +Sarah McDearmon b: Bet. 1754 - 1781 d: Bet. 1803 - 1871 m: Dec 25, 1798 Prince Edward Co VA
This is it they aint no more
OOPS!! Sorry about the dupes in there - guess cleanup time again --
Thanks for the info, it will take a couple days to digest and correlate it with the rest of my stuff. You have Alexander Jr as dying in VA. In other words, he never came to Bedford Co, TN. The only part of Alexander Jr's family who came to Bedford was his son William, and he eventually moved into Lincoln (present day Moore). That actually make things a lot more clear. The Alexander Womack in the 1830 Census of Bedford was in his 30s. He must have been a son of David. It make sense that David named a son after his father and older brother.
Sam, Ifound your posting of Alexander Womack and wife Milly Buckner's line interesting. Milly (Amelia or Mealy) Buckner's cousin seems to be Philip Buckner, husband of Tabitha Daniels and the founder of Augusta, KY. Philip Buckner is buried at Powersville, Bracken County, KY. Milly's brother Henry Buckner married twice. First to Mary Foster and their son Henry Buckner, Jr married his cousin Elizabeth Womack, daughter of Alexander Womack and Milly buckner. Henry Buckner, Sr's second wife was Catherine Leagle and they had James Buckner who married his cousin, Judith Womack, sister of Elizabeth. Also I know of a (Col) William Buckner who married Elizabeth Monroe and their son William married Elizabeth Lewis Robards, daughter of William Robards Sr and Elizabeth Lewis. How this (Col) William Buckner fits in with the above Buckner data, I don't know, but I think these Robards are some kin to the first husband of Rachel who married second Andrew Jackson the President. I don't have any proof of any of the above, but I thought you and Robert would be interested in what seems to be distant connections to Womacks. Doretta
Thank you for your feedback - Mealy, Milly, Amelia or whatever was also thought to be Camillia - however that remains to be seen -- I have some connections that have a lot more on the Buckners than I have - at least the more modern day ones as my info goes back as far as the 1400s (I think) - Funny you mention Daniels as that is a probable misnomer and should be Daniel - I do have some Daniel greats running amuck back there also along with some Williams one who married a Womack i.e. John Williams who married Mary Womack daughter of William and Mary Woodson Womack, granddaughter to Abraham and the famous Summerscales Sarah( if that is correct anyway) somewhere around 1732ish - and his sister Anne married John Daniel sometime in the 1730ish era and is a great grandmum on my dad's grandmothers side - a few removed anyway
Am looking for information on WOMACK family from Telogia, Liberty Co., Florida. My great grandfather was Francis "Frank" Womack born abt. 1839, his parents were Benjamin Womack and Nancy Jones. Francis married Calesta Jane Chason apr. 24, 1861 in Liberty Co., Florida. Her parents were Stephen Chason and Elizabeth Gregory. I think they came to Fla. from Georgia. Any information would be appreciated. Dorinda Bain
Here is all I have on your Benjamin - I can carry the Laniers back to sometime in the 1500's as she comes from a Lanier family I also descend from on my moms side. Her line is from my 8th great grandpa Laniers first wife; mine is from his second - Unfortunately have been unable to connect Benjamin Sr to anyone, yet.
Descendants of Benjamin Womack
1 Benjamin Womack
.. +Mary Lanier b: Dec 25, 1759 Duplin Co NC m: Bef. 1795
.........2 Benjamin Jr Womack b: Abt. 1795 d: Abt. Jul 1859 Liberty Co FL
............. +Nancy Jones b: Abt. 1802
................3 James b: Abt. 1833
................3 Martha b: Abt. 1835
................3 Green b: Abt. 1837
................3 Francis b: Abt. 1839
................3 William b: Abt. 1843
Has anyone heard of this person?
Womack BLANKENSHIP,VA. Corporal.18 Apr.1783.100 acres-- Revolutionary War Bounty Land Grants Awarded by State Governments.p.47:
1803 Campbell Co., VA, Court Order Book 14 page 11 there is a case involving William Womack deceased and his heirs, who the court record states were brothers and sisters.
William Womack's nine heirs (siblings) were:
1)Martha Womack Robards,
3)William Womack, son of Francis Womack,
4)Heirs of Abraham Womack,
5)Heirs of Johnn Womack,
6)Heirs of Sarah Womack Rice,
7)Heirs of Judith Womack Hamilton,
8)Heirs of Elizabeth Womack Hatchett,
9)Mary Womack Mann
Is this correct?
Have a good week end guys.
Benjamin Womack b abt 1795,m Nancy Jones. Below is Nancy's family line.
| Matthew Jones & Eliza Aldridgton
| | Francis Jones (1700 - Aug 1755) & Mary Ridley (1704 - 1749)
| | | Francis Jones* (1720 - Mar 1774) & Mary Robins
| | | Francis Jones* (1720 - Mar 1774) & Elizabeth Huckabee (1737 - 1798)
| | | | Francis Jones (28 Apr 1762 - 1813) & Mary "Polly" Mills (1768 - About 1813)
| | | | | Eleanor Jones (1807 - 21 Jul 1878) & Thomas Han Womack (15 Nov 1791 - 1837)
| | | | | | Thomas Han Womack (30 Oct 1834 - 14 Jun 1864) & Rebecca Lewis (24 Sep 1832 - 28 Oct 1913)
| | | | | | | James Madison Womack* (3 Jun 1855 - 7 Oct 1923) & Ednia Ella Bunn (12 Jul 1862 - 14 Dec 1932)
| | | | | | | James Madison Womack* (3 Jun 1855 - 7 Oct 1923) & Abbie Gill Bunn (6 Jun 1855 - 28 Sep 1901)
| | | | | | | Thomas B. Womack (18 Apr 1856 - 6 Jul 1893) & Malissa Moore (1867 - )
| | | | | | | Francis Marion "Frank" Womack* (22 Apr 1857 - 4 Dec 1933) & Sarah "Sally" Hendley (5 Jul 1857 - 6 Sep 1918)
| | | | | | | Francis Marion "Frank" Womack* (22 Apr 1857 - 4 Dec 1933) & Emma Mundy
| | | | | | | Lewis Bartow Womack (16 May 1861 - 31 May 1898) & Laura Ann Clark (15 Sep 1857 - 21 Jan 1959)
| | | | | | | Joseph J. "Jack" Womack (1862 - ) & Sarah Videll Dutton (Feb 1861 - )
| | | | | | | Mary Jane Womack (16 May 1858 - 27 Aug 1936) & Zachariah Taylor Aaron (2 Sep 1854 - 17 Dec 1923)
| | | | | | | Sarah M. "Sally" Womack (1861 - 1910) & Flint Nunnally
| | | | | | | Ellen Barnhill (8 Feb 1868 - 14 Apr 1936) & Robert Franklin "Frank" Donaldson (16 Jun 1866 - 15 Jul 1899)
| | | | | | William Wesley Womack (1824 - 17 Jan 1866) & Pamelia Jewell Mallard (10 Sep 1834 - 11 Nov 1896)
| | | | | | | Clifford Ann Wayne Womack (5 Jan 1858 - 26 Jul 1945) & Harrison Olliff (6 May 1851 - 22 Oct 1920)
| | | | | | | Frederick Womack (11 Mar 1859 - 7 Sep 1915) & Anna Finch (10 Dec 1870 - 23 Aug 1933)
| | | | | | | John L. "Jack" Sr. Womack (10 Jul 1860 - 23 Apr 1926) & Ella Oglesby
| | | | | | | Benjamin Womack (Apr 1862 - 1938) & Fannie E. Woodcock (13 Aug 1873 - 21 Sep 1922)
| | | | | | | Mary Ellen Womack (1862 - 1934) & J.J. "Ira" Dickerson (1860 - 1936)
| | | | | | | William Thomas Womack (14 Dec 1865 - 29 Nov 1946) & Mollie D. Daughtry (1872 - 1921)
| | | | | | Francis Womack (1837 - )
| | | | | | Ann Elizabeth Womack (18 Mar 1832 - 21 Jul 1878) & Benjamin F. Sr. Lanier (6 Sep 1826 - )
| | | | | | | Thomas C. Lanier (1855 - )
| | | | | | | Mitchell Lanier (1857 - )
| | | | | | | Emma Lanier (31 Aug 1858 - 12 Oct 1933) & William A. Parish (17 Apr 1851 - 9 Sep 1916)
| | | | | | | Benjamin F. Jr. Lanier (1865 - )
| | | | | | | Lewis C. Lanier (19 Jan 1868 - 14 Dec 1946)
| | | | | | | Molly Lanier
| | | | | | | Mary A. Lanier (1861 - )
| | | | | | Nancy Womack (1829 - ) & McCall
| | | | | | | William McCall
| | | | | | | Alice McCall
| | | | | | | Emma McCall
| | | | | John Jones
| | | | | Francis Jones
| | | | | Susannah Jones & William Coursey
| | | | | Barbara Ann Jones & Daniel Humphries
| | | | | Elizabeth Jones* & John Slater
| | | | | Elizabeth Jones* & William Evers
| | | | | Frances Jones & John Fort
| | | | | Nancy Jones (About 1802 - ) & Benjamin Jr. Womack (About 1795 - Jul 1859)
| | | | | | James Womack (1833 - )
| | | | | | Martha Womack (1835 - )
| | | | | | Green Womack (1837 - )
| | | | | | Francis Womack (1839 - )
| | | | | | William Womack (1843 - )
| | | | John Jones (1745 - 1817) & Susannah Strobar
| | | | | Obedience Jones (13 Aug 1773 - )
| | | | | William Jones (14 Jun 1777 - )
| | | | James Jones (28 Apr 1764 - 10 Oct 1828) & Elizabeth Mills (1774 - 1836)
| | | | | Francis Jones (27 Jan 1792 - 24 Dec 1849) & Rachel Inman (16 Nov 1797 - 7 Nov 1861)
| | | | | Lavinia "Laviny" Jones (9 Jul 1793 - ) & James Young (1784 - 12 May 1859)
| | | | | | James Young (Mar 1818 - 1 Oct 1893)
| | | | | | Thomas Young (1827 - 12 Jan 1865)
| | | | | | Mary Young* & Michael Henderson
| | | | | | Mary Young* & John Cameron
| | | | | Matthew Jones (11 Oct 1795 - 13 May 1840) & Elizabeth Inman (18 Apr 1804 - 12 Sep 1846)
| | | | | | Francis A. Jones* (14 Jun 1827 - 20 Aug 1885) & Mary Frances(??) Toombs (1833 - 1881)
| | | | | | | James M. Jones (24 Jun 1852 - 19 Jan 1921) & Elizabeth S. Inman (1857 - 1937)
| | | | | | | Lula L. Jones (1854 - 1911) & Frank Philips
| | | | | | | Mary E. Jones & Thom Felder
| | | | | | | Willie J Jones & Hiram Harvey
| | | | | | | Victoria Jones (1873 - 1904) & Benjamin C. Brack (1865 - 1918)
| | | | | | | Letitia M. Jones (1876 - 1953) & William J. Stockton Reverend (1858 - 3 Jul 1934)
| | | | | | | Sarah Virginia Jones (1862 - 1938) & John R. Robinson (1848 - 1910)
| | | | | | | Malcomb Bennett Jones (1 Mar 1858 - 1 Aug 1863)
| | | | | | | Elizabeth Jones & T. B. Folder
| | | | | | Francis A. Jones* (14 Jun 1827 - 20 Aug 1885) & Mary Ann Lambert (1846 - 1886)
| | | | | | | Frankie A. Jones (1885 - 1945) & Innman Wells (1879 - 1932)
| | | | | | James M. Jones (22 Jan 1823 - 6 Jul 1849)
| | | | | | Malcom D. Jones (1825 - 29 Sep 1969) & Virginia L. Inman (3 Nov 1838 - )
| | | | | | | Allen W. Jones (13 Jun 1861 - ) & Ann Hazeltone Crossland
| | | | | | | Francis Matthew Jones (3 Jun 1866 - 27 Sep 1870)
| | | | | | | Clarence Malcolm Jones (17 Aug 1862 - 17 Aug 1867)
| | | | | | | Infant F. Jones (1864 - 1865)
| | | | | | | William Mitchell Jones (30 Aug 1864 - 28 Jul 1865)
| | | | | | Louisa A. Jones (27 Feb 1830 - 9 Mar 1845)
| | | | | | Mitchell Jones (1836 - ) & Sallie Spain
| | | | | | Thomas Jones (1838 - Oct 1840)
| | | | | | Mary Ann Jones (9 Jan 1834 - 5 Jan 1853) & J. R. Price , Dr.
| | | | | Berrien Jones (10 Sep 1799 - ) & Sophia Inman (25 Oct 1813 - 24 Feb 1844)
| | | | | | Virginia L. Jones & W. P. Clower , Dr.
| | | | | | Jeremiah Berry Jones & Susannah Elizabeth Young
| | | | | | Thomas Mitchell Jones
| | | | | Thomas Jones (14 May 1802 - ) & Lavenia Young (5 May 1810 - 13 Feb 1881)
| | | | | Brady Mitchell Jones (27 Sep 1805 - ) & Elizabeth Ann Price
| | | | | Lyman Jones (4 Feb 1808 - 12 Jan 1823)
| | | | | Elizabeth Jones (30 Apr 1813 - 25 Jun 1874) & Joseph S. Nelly
| | | | | Harriet Jones (21 Mar 1817 - ) & James B. Blackshear
| | | | Matthew Jones ( - 5 Nov 1818) & Elizabeth Mills
| | | | Philip Jones (16 Jul 1759 - 6 Nov 1789) & Elizabeth Jones
| | | | | Henry Philip Jones* (27 Dec 1788 - 1 Oct 1853) & Sarah Vickers (29 Nov 1790 - 18 Mar 1835)
| | | | | | Harriet Almira Jones (28 Jul 1810 - Dec 1843)
| | | | | | James Vickers Jones (22 Apr 1812 - )
| | | | | | Melvina Virginia Jones (27 Mar 1814 - )
| | | | | | Joseph Betram Jones (10 Oct 1817 - )
| | | | | | Sarah Ann Jones (5 May 1820 - 8 Jul 1821)
| | | | | | Henry Wilkes Jones (24 Sep 1824 - 9 Aug 1900)
| | | | | | William Beaman Jones (23 Sep 1827 - 30 Mar 1886)
| | | | | | Penelope Elizabeth Jones (3 Jun 1831 - 21 Sep 1901)
| | | | | Henry Philip Jones* (27 Dec 1788 - 1 Oct 1853) & Mary Jane Wells ( - Jul 1840)
| | | | | | John Forsyth Jones (10 Oct 1839 - 29 Mar 1844)
| | | | | Henry Philip Jones* (27 Dec 1788 - 1 Oct 1853) & Mary Fullwood nee Hampton
| | | | John Jones
| | | | Richard Jones
| | | | William Jones
| | | | Mary Jones & Archie Patterson
| | | | Elizabeth Jones & Stephen Johnson
| | | | Susannah "Suckey" Jones* (1753 - ) & Luke Mizell
| | | | Susannah "Suckey" Jones* (1753 - ) & Robert Dickson (1750 - 1782)
| | | | | Sarah Dickson & Robert Williams
| | | | | Elizabeth Dickson (1774 - ) & Bird Thomas Lanier (1770 - 1807)
| | | | | | Susannah Lanier (1794 - 1832) & Edward Wood Lane MD (1788 - 7 Jan 1854)
| | | | | | | Susannah "Lavinia" Lane (11 Apr 1824 - 6 Feb 1892) & Andrew Daniel Jr. Kent (2 Feb 1826 - 17 Feb 1873)
| | | | | | | Thomas Mills Lane (1822 - 1880) & Julian "Juliann" Barnes (About 1823 - )
| | | | | | | Benjamin Lanier Lane DDS & Willie Brinson
| | | | | Robert Jr. Dickson & Hannah Lanier
| | | | | John Dickson
| | | Nathaniel Jones
| | | Tignall Jones
| | | Mathew Jones
| | | Albridgton Jones
| | | John Jones
| | | Ridley Jones
| | | Mary Jones & John Cullars
| | | Judith Jones & Wilson
| | | Jemima Jones
Eleanor Jones b 1807 and Thomas H Womack b 15 Nov 1791 are my GGGrandparents.
Much detail on this Jones line is available, just email a request.
SAM, please email details on the Lanier Family. My Bennett,Aaron,Lewis,and Womack family lines all connect to early Georgia Laniers.
Fred Womack, email@example.com
Hey SAM! Glad your back! David.
Methinks this is your connection
39. Ralph Blankenship III was born before 1734.
Ralph married Edith Nunnaly. (Edith Nunnaly was born in 1740.)
They had the following children:
144 M i. Womack Blankenship was born in 1767.
+ 145 M ii. Gideon Blankenship was born in 1769
146 M iii. Ralph Blankenship IV was born in 1771.
Gen 8 Ralph Blankenship -- Edith Nunnallee
Death 20 Oct 1758 (W) - 14 Apr 1759 (I) Chesterfield Co VA May 1793
Parents Ralph Blankenship Elizabeth - Walter Nunallee Priscilla Womack
Gen 9 Walter Nunnalee -- Priscilla Womack
Death 1784 Chesterfield Co VA
Parents Richard Nunnally Sarah Atkin - William Womack Susanna Trent
(Note, Susannah Trent's second husband was Daniel Nunnally)
Went to Nashville this weekend, found a lot of good stuff. So far, I have
typed out the stuff I found in Carroll Co, TN court minutes, here:
The following Womack's appear in Carroll Co, TN court minutes from 1822 to 1824: Josiah, Hawkins, William, and David. All four appear in one record as workers to help build a road. Also, there are the records of Hawkins Womack's legal woes (he was indicted, then aquitted for an "affray"). Solomon Cooper and David Womack helped Hawkins post a bond that he would show up for his trial. This helps prove that Solomon Cooper was Hawkin's brother-in-law.
I think that both brothers David and Alexander Jr had sons named William. Alexander Jr's son William was born circa 1768 and married Margaret Ellis. David's son William was born circa 1781 and married Frances "Fanny" (maiden name unknown). David's son William moved to Bedford Co, TN with his father David Sr. I do not think that any of Alexander Jr's family ever came to Bedford. The William Womack in the 1820 & 1830 Censuses of Bedford Co, TN, and in the 1840 & 1850 Censuses of Lincoln Co, TN was too young to be the same William who married Margaret Ellis in 1790. In 1830, William was listed as between 40 & 50; in 1840 he was between 50 & 60; and in 1850 he was 70 years old.
I think these were the 7 sons of David Womack Sr of Bedford Co, TN:
William (born circa 1781)
David (born circa 1785)
Alexander (born circa 1790)
Josiah (born circa 1793)
Michael (born circa 1794)
Elisha (born circa 1799)
Hawkins (born circa 1803)
There were probably some daughters in here as well. I found somewhere an undocumented assertion that David Sr's wife Elizabeth's maiden name was Hawkins, which could explain why they named a son Hawkins, and why William named a son John Hawkins Womack.
The 1812 tax list of Bedford Co, TN lists 5 Womacks: David, David Jr, William, and Alexander. This was David Sr and three of his sons who were over 21 in 1812; his other 4 sons were too young to pay the poll tax.
looking for information on pau or paul womack painter of picture with vessel named china lady
Hello Womack Researchers,
My mother was a Womack, she was the daughter of Willis Rudolph, son of Benjamin Bradford, son of William R.
What I would like to know is does anyone know the parents of William R b 10/20/1807 in North Carolina? He was married 3 times to either an Ellen Brown or Jane Scott, son Franis Marion Womack b 2/28/1828 in Alabama (Jackson County?).
Next to Hannah unknown b about 1807-1810 in TN, they had 11 children, Martha M, Sarah E, Margaret L, John Wm, Benjamin Bradford, Nancy A, Mary C, Josiah C, Joel T, Levi P and Mayetta J. You seem to have these children in various lines.
Next to Lucy Womack b about 1820, daughter of William (Buck) Womack, they had 4 children, Melvina, Robert B, Charles CR and Andrew J.
I have read most all the information on this site and while I have seen lots of information on the various children, spouses, etc, I have not found anyone who lists William R (Rowland?) Womack's parents.
Genealogy is a lot of fun but it can give you a headache too when you can't find connections. LOL
Some of the information I have read leads me to believe there was more than
a cousin relationship between Lucy Womack and William R, it almost at times
appears that William R and William (Buck) were brothers?? Could this be?
As to William R and Levi B being brothers, are you all talking about the Levi B,son of William ( Buck) or is there another Levi B?
I am confused but don't you be. Help please.
Thanks and Peace and Love to all of you.
I have William, son of Alex Jr, marrying first Margaret - and second Fannie - I got this from a descendant of he ahd fannie(I think). Dont know how reliable, but until someone shows me a Bible record showing he was son of David, sticking to original download --
Of course, the "original download" has William Womack dying in 1811, marrying again in 1816, and having several more kids. Pretty good for a dead guy. :)
Perhaps they got the wrong person dead and mebbe it was the wifey?? Gonna have to dissec that particular line one of these days --
Not my line, but since part of this family was in Franklin Co, TN for a time, near my line in Bedford Co, TN, I took a look.
There was a Levi Berry Womack who was born 6 Jun 1802 in NC. In the census records as follows:
1830 TN Franklin p.86A
1840 AL Benton p.35A (Benton was renamed Calhoun)
1850 AL DeKalb, 25 Div, p.354A
1860 AL Jackson, Township 2 Range 7 East, p.558
1870 AL Jackson, Subdivision 2, PO Big Coon, p.96A
1880 AL Jackson, p.74D
This Levi B Womack appears to have had a son named William R Womack (born circa 1826 in TN). This is probably not the Levi Womack probated by William R Womack in St Genevieve Co, MO, since that probate took place in 1871, and this Levi was still living as of 1880.
According to Mary Glenn's article, William R Womack stated that the Levi Womack whose estate he was probating was his brother. Could it have have been his brother-in-law, Levi B Womack, son of William "Buck" Womack? The term "brother" sometimes was stretched back then.
There was a Levi Berry Womack who was born 6 Jun 1802 in NC.(copied from your post). Now I am wondering if this fellow was William R's brother. They surely could be from the dates they were born. Hmm guess I need to find out who Levi's parents were.
From what I have heard via the family grapevine is William R left TN and went to AL because he had a brother living there.
I was directed to a Rootsweb site that has possible parents for William R, but
how do you prove it? Goodness I sure do love them challenges.
I only wish I had been more interested in genealogy when my parents were still
living so I could have asked them all the questions that now pop into my thoughts.
Thank you so much for responding to my post and for the information on this Levi. Will see what I can do with all the info you provided.
Peace and Love
According to some info I found at the Hawkins GenForum, John Hawkins who died
about 1803 in Lunenburg Co, VA had a daughter Elizabeth who married David
Womack. This comes from Chancery Court records of Lunenburg County from
1803-1805. I will definitely verify this.
This would certainly explain why David named a son Hawkins. Also, I think the William who married Fannie and had a son named John Hawkins Womack was another son of David, and distinct from the William (son of Alexander Jr) who married Margaret Ellis in Lunenburg.
Another child of John Hawkins was Burwell. My ggg-grandfather, Burrell Womack, had the middle initial 'H'. Perhaps he was named for his great-uncle?
The 1783 tax list of Lunenburg Co, VA is online. In the part of the list taken by Nicholas Hobson, there is John Hawkins, John Hawkins Jr, and Alexander Womack. I'm assuming this was Alexander Jr.
Levi B Womack
I have found this info -
Womack, Levi (1796-)
Womack, Levi (-19 DEC 1848)
Womack, Levi (ABT. 1848-BET. 1850 - 1860)
Womack, Levi 3 (-)
Womack, Levi Berry (7 JUN 1796-)I believe this is from some Bean records as he did marry a Martha Bean, daughter of Robert and Martha Womack Bean)
Levi Berry WOMACK
Rutherford Co., Nc
Death: Abt 1880, Jackson, Alabama
Spouse: Martha BEAN
Spouse: Delilah Temple
Levi WOMACK (AFN: G065-WF) Pedigree
Little Peedee R., Rutherford Co., Nc
Death: Abt 1893
Jackson Co., Alabama
Father: William WOMACK
Mother: Lucinda Or Lucy WOMACK (daughter Thomas and Louvisa Rice Womack)
1880 census Jackson Co AL
Levy WOMACK Self M Male W 78 NC Miller VA VA
Delilah WOMACK Wife M Female W 66 TN Keeping House NC NC
Jane WOMACK Dau S Female W 41 AL At Home TN NC
I believe all the Levi Berry Womacks are one and the same - read the sketch by Capt Womack in the old Womack Genealogy Series where it stated a Levi married a Miss Bean -
I stand corrected that reference to Levi and Miss Bean is in the Sketch by F M Womack; not Capt JJ Womack..
Hi to everyone: I posted on Oct 3 that William Buckner who married Elizabeth Lewis Robards was the son of Col. William Buckner and Elizabeth Monroe. I must have read my notes incorrectly as that statement is NOT CORRECT. It seems that he is the son of William Buckner and Mary Madison and a distant cousin through the Buckners to Judith Womack and James Buckner and also to Elizabeth Womack and Henry Buckner Jr. Elizabeth Lewis Robards was a sister to Lewis Robards whose first wife was Rachel Donelson who later became the wife of Pres. Andrew Jackson. Now Fred's post of Oct 4 names a Thomas Han Womack b.1832 d.1864 who married Rebecca Lewis b.1832 d.1913 and that one of their sons was James Madison Womack b.1835 d.1923. Who were Rebecca's parents? Could she in some way be connected to the Madison line or could Thomas Han Womack be connected with the Madisons? Now Penny's post of Oct 6 names (1) a William R(Rowland) Womack b.1807 and (2) a William (Buck) Womack. I know Rowland/Roland seems to be a name used by the Madison lines. Could there be a connection? Also could "Buck" be short for Buckner? Just wondering. See you next week. Doretta
I am not saying that Buckner couldnt have been a middle name; but the only
relationship either of these William"Bucks' had with Buckners was as
cousins a couple times or so removed.
1 David 05 Womack b: Mar 27, 1774 Orange Co NC d: Mar 01, 1854 Simpson Co, Ms
..+Sarah Ann Norris b: Jan 01, 1789 SC d: Dec 12, 1858 Mt Zion Cem, Groveton, Tx m: Feb 04, 1807 Pendleton District SC
.2 William B 'Buck' Womack b: Apr 19, 1816 St Helena Parish LA d: Oct 20, 1888 Trinity Co TX
....+Alcy Franklin b: Apr 20, 1818 d: Jan 04, 1889
1 William 14 Womack b: Nov 11, 1753 NC d: Jan 20, 1820 Rutherford Co NC (Son of Abraham and Elizabeth Stubblefield Womack)
...+Lucinda 5 Womack b: Abt. 1766 m: Abt. 1780
..2 William 'Buck' Womack b: Abt. 1790 d: Bet. 1821 - 1880
......+Sarah McBee b: Bet. 1786 - 1806 d: Bet. 1821 - 1890 m: Bef. 1822
......*2nd Wife of William 'Buck' Womack:
......+Susan Mercer m: Oct 15, 1854 St Genevieve Co MO
These are the only two William "Bucks" I have --
By the way the latter William was brother to Levi Berry Womack
Fred... Thanks for the information. We are leaving for a wedding, See you next week. Doretta
Has anyone heard from Ray Womack lately? I keep getting e mail back as undeliverable -- or has he changed addresses???
Well, I found some information on Roots Web that lists parents and siblings
for William R Womack, b 1807 Rowan Co, NC.
However, can it be proven?
Parents as posted on the site:
Rebecca Parker b abt 1765 in Rowan County, NC d Unknown.
William Womack , son of Thomas Womack and Mary Farley, b abt 1757 d abt 1820 possibly in Illinois.
Children of William and Rebecca:
Green Womack b 17 June 1788 in Rowan County, NC d 1872 in Unionvile, Putnam Co, MO.
Obediah Womack b abt 1805 in IL or NC d unknown. Wife Elizabeth Woods m 28 Jan 1830 in Gallatin Co, IL b abt 1812 d unknown.
William R Womack 20 Oct 1807 in Rowan County, NC d 1882 in St Genevieve County, MO.
Clement Womack b abt 1808 in IL d 21 Sep in Putnam Co, MO, m Nancy Rogers 14 Dec 1830 in Shelby Co, IL. She was b abt 1814 and d unknown. He then m ?? 27 Oct 1839 in Shelby Co, IL. She d unknown.
Joseph Womack b abt 1810, d unknown. (I wonder where he was born)
Levi Womack b abt 1815 in TN, d 19 Dec 1848 in Taney Co, MO.
Elizabeth Josephine Womack b 22 Dec 1817 in AR or TN, d 14 June 1879 in Reynolds Co, MO.
Seems like they spent a lot of time on the trail between NC, IL,TN and AR, while producing babies so close together. They had to be hardy folks in my opinion. No cars or trains in those days.
Can anyone fit any of these children into their line(s) and see if any of this
fits. I surely would like to think this is my gg grandpa's family but with
no proof, it is hard to say ok it's them. Suggestions on how to verify any of
this greatly appreciated. I e-mailed the poster of this information but have
not gotten a response as yet.
Thanks for any and all help.
Peace and Love
Wonder if this is one of those misnomers mentioned in the Womack Genealogy
Henrico Co VA Marriages
07 Aug 1790............WEYMOUTH, Walker William, and HUDSON, Elizabeth.
By the way Robert, if you run across this, this is probably Alex Sr:
1764 tithable Lunnburg Co VA
Alexr. Wawmock ............................... 400
I am decended from the William Womack/Rebecca Parker family. Their son Levi was my gg-grandfather. Levi married Polly Ann Baker in 1834 in Shelby Co., IL. From there he and his brothers Clement and Joseph moved to Taney Co., MO where they can be found in the 1840 census. When Levi died in 1848 Polly Ann and her family returned to Shelby Co., IL along with Clement and his wife Nancy. They were all enumerated in Shelby Co. in the 1850 census.
Re. William's mother, I show her as Sarah Owen, not Mary Farley, but without any definite proof I can't be 100% certain if what I show is correct. Also, I don't believe that William R. Womack born 1807 belongs in this family group. I think the William that belongs in this group was born much earlier and may be one of the Williams that show up in the 1840 census of Shelby Co. I'm also not certain that Elizabeth Josephine is a daughter of William and Rebecca. Rebecca would have been about 48 years old when she was born. In the 1830 census Rebecca, age 60-70, is living next to her son Green in Gallatin Co, IL and neither she nor Green has a daughter of Elizabeths age shown in their households.
I don't believe the family really did as much moving around as it may seem. I believe all of the children in this family were born in either NC or TN before the family moved to IL.
Thank you so much for your response. I have also seen a ged com on
Roots web that lists Sarah Owen as William's mother.
I think you are probably right that William R does not belong in this family.
My cousin who did much research on this family for many years did not find
acceptable parents for William R. She did include the information about Levi being a brother to William R and the stuff about the will of Levi.
It is an interesting pursuit this chasing down your ancestors. I have had
great luck in locating my dad's line and all I had to go on were his parent's names and where they lived in the late 1800s. A lot of films and census films read at the LDS Family Service Center over this summer. One little clue and
I would order 3 or 4 films and spend days reading them line by line.
I think you are right about the children all being born either in NC or TN too.
That stood out to me that they would have had to be really hardy folks or nuts to have moved that many times in such a short time frame.
My William R was born in Monroe County, TN.
Take care and thanks again for your information. It helps to sort things out
Peace and Love
I have been reading all the archive messages for several days and am almost finished with them. Lots of interesting discussion and information there.
As to how the name is pronounced, our family always said it was Wom (like mom)
and ick. I can see how some of the census folks could have come up with so many spellings now. The only other one I am familiar with is WO Mack ( like the ball player Tony Womck).
Been watching for new messages for a couple days and was beginning to wonder if I broke the site.
Take care All and I really enjoy all your information and humor.
Peace and Love
Where is everyone? No messages for days.
I am looking for information on Andrew J Womack born between 1861 and 1867 in Missouri. He was a son of William R Womack and Lucy Womack. His wife was Emily J ?, b March 1862 in Arkansas. They had 4 children, Andrew R b July 1886 in Scott County, AR, Pearl O, b July 1888 in Scott County, AR, Eldor M, b April 1893 in Scott County, AR and Emily D b December 1895 also in Scott County, AR.
William R and Lucy had 4 children Melvina, who was b 1855 and d 1860 in Missouri, Robert Benton b May 27, 1857, he d 1920 and had 4 children, sp Evaline Mayberry, Charles CR, b March 16, 1859, d July 20, 1860 and Andrew J, the one I have described above.
Does anyone have anything on Andrew J?
Thank you so much for any help you may offer.
Peace and Love
So far have this, tho where you have Melvina, I have Marietta - cant say where or from whom I got this info so unable to substantiate Marietta as the name -
Descendants of William R Womack
1 William R Womack b: Abt. 1807 NC d: Abt. 1882 St Genevieve Co MO
.. +Hannah// m: Bef. 1839
......... 2 Benjamin Bradford Womack b: Abt. 1839
......... 2 Mary C Womack b: Abt. 1843
......... 2 Josiah 5 Womack b: Abt. 1845
......... 2 Thomas 18 Womack b: Abt. 1847
......... 2 Preston Womack b: Abt. 1848
*2nd Wife of William R Womack:
.. +Lucy 12 Womack b: Abt. 1822 m: Jul 16, 1854 St Genevieve Co, MO
......... 2 Marietta b: Abt. 1855
......... 2 Robert b: Abt. 1858
Also have no info on William's parents at this time -- I do have 40 Wiliams without middle names that mebbe can place later on..only time and perserverance will tell!!
Penny, as to William R. Womack, I have no proof of where he belongs, I do have a son Andrew J., born about 1861, however I have the Andrew Johnson Womack, born April 30,1857, who married Emily Jane House listed with the children in your post as the son of James Wiley Womack, sp Hannah Kilburn. I'll send you an email on what I have on this line.
Hi Sam,Roger, and all
William R had 3 wives. His first wife was thought to be Jane Scott and they had Francis Marian Womack born February 28, 1828 in TN. The story I have been told is that he wanted to leave TN and his wife did not so he took his small son and left her in TN. Fact or myth? Who knows. There appears to be enough evidence to link Francis Marian with Wm R.
Next was Hannah LNU, apparently no one has been able to find a last name for her. They had 11 children, Martha Magdaline Womack, Sarah Elizabeth Womack, Margaret Leheme Womack, John Willian Womack, Benjamin Bradford Womack (my great grandpa), Nancy Adeline Womack, Mary Catherine Womack, Josiah C Womack, Joel Thomas Womack, Levi Preston Womack, and Mayetta Jane Womack.
His 3rd wife was Lucy Womack, dau of Wm. "Buck" Womack, probably at least cousins. They had 4 children according to what I have: Melvina Womack, Robert Benton Womack, Charles C. R. Womack, and Andrew J Womack. This Andrew J is the one I am trying to find out about and if he really was Wm and Lucy's or not.
My cousin said it is not certain that Lucy was #3 as there is not any real solid proof of Jane Scott as #1. Hannah is pretty much the accepted mother of most of his 15 or 16 kids (depends on whether Andrew J was his or not). Lucy is the only wife with a documented marriage date of which I am aware.
All I know is I fit into his line somewhere and sure would like to know who his parents were.
Peace and Love
PS Sent you an e mail, posting this for others benefit.
PS, House is a big name in my family line. I have lots of them so would Emily
J House be a relative too. She is the one Roger has as the wife of the Andrew J
Womack b in 1857.
P n L
FYI, Name, RUTH LEE WOMACK, published in the Odessa American, Odessa TX.
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Jack, those unclaimed funds things are a lot of fun. I once did a search on
Womacks in Louisiana and came up with a huge number of names. I did find a
couple of cousins up in NY who were on the list there and they were surprised as
heck! It's been about a year or so since they applied for the $ and they should
eventually get it....they don't even know how much it is! LOL! If you search on
McDonald, OTOH, you find alot of McDonalds restaurants with missing
money....which makes you wonder how hard they are trying to find these folks,
because it should be that hard to find a McDonalds!
Still putzing around with early records - still nada to report. Sometimes I wish I could time travel to 1790s Granville Co and make everyone write down their genealogies! LOL! Ann
If anyone is contacted by a commercial finder, please note, you can in the State of Texas have your property or money returned by simply calling the Comptroller of Public accounts- no commercial service is necessary. However, if you choose to work with someone who solicits a fee to help you locate your money, please note that Texas law limits the fee that a person may charge to 10 percent of the value of the unclaimed property. If the property is mineral intrest, the fee may not include a portion of the underlying minerals, production payment, overriding royalty, or similar payment.
The Texas web site for unclaimed property has a listing for several years and instructions for what is needed to make a clain.
Hey, this is almost a treasure hunt.
Yes there is probably a lot of our allied families that have property and money due them.
I rceived an e mail a few minutes a go from a cousin who asked me if you were a quilter and would it be all right for her to introduce herself to you. I have told her that genealogist welcome a new contact. She is Neysa Jean (Womack) Powell and is now doing research on the Womack and Powell lines. I'm afraid I have created another dyed in the wool genealogist. Any of the Womacks with Powell links she would like to hear from you i'm sure. I'll let her post her addy herself after she reads this. She might whup this old man with her quilting frame.
I just reread your message and if you have an Andrew J b abt 1861 as a son of William R, do you have any information on him. Maybe I got jumbled data and the one I listed is not Wm. R's son since he appears to be the son of James Wiley or at least to have JW's kids in my information.
Peace and Love
Jack, I heard from her and we're talking quilts 8-)
BTW, for those with a stray William - I've got a lost one - actually I have a lost William, Jesse, Sarah and Lucy - these are 4 of the 5 kids of Abraham Womack's second marriage to Martha LNU - Their full sister Elizabeth Womack Coleman was b. abt 1785, so I guesstimate ariund the same for them, they were minors ca 1797 when Abraham died. I don't think the William and Jesse of Monroe Co in the 1830s marriages are these guys....the dates seem too late to me. Note that Elizabeth moved to AL with my bunch, so these younger ones might have drifted that way as well. Ann
For the one who has Womack/Powell lineage - this is probably thru Scott Powell and a sister(whose name I cant remember at the moment) of my GGG-GF. I also have somewhere,in my not so organized files, correspondence with another or two that is also doing this line -- e mail me where you blend in and I will see what I have --
My name is Neysa J. (Womack) Powell. I would like to say thank you to Jack
for assuring me it would not be taken as an imposition for me to contact Ann;
and would like to thank Ann for not taking it that way. Thanks Ann for
responding. I'm enjoying the "quilt talk".
I have not posted to this area before because I am very new to genealogy research and didn't want to seem like a nuisance to all of you. I did, however, live with it all my life. I heard about it from my great uncle, Oscar Womack, each time we were together...and many times when we were not.
Sam, I really appreciate the offer of helping me out. I know so little about the Powell's and Wallace's and where we "fit in" that I'm afraid it would only take up too much of your time. I only know the names of three generations right now, and I'm still having trouble locating where some of them were born, married, lived, etc.
The research I am beginning is not only my family, the Womack line, but also my husband's family...mostly his paternal ancestors (Powell and Wallace). It is sad to say that there were not any in his family that could even tell you where his grandfather was born; and no one knew anything about his great grandfather at all, except that his name was Edward.
I have since found out more about Edward and his family than my husband's family ever knew...although it is not much yet. But I will continue to work at it. There seems to be a surprise around every corner...some nice, some not so nice.
Sorry this has been a little long. I really just wanted to let Jack know that I have finally found the courage to let everyone know I look forward to learning a great deal from each of you; and to say thank you to Ann for her kindness in responding...and to Sam for always being there to help everyone whenever he can.
Yes, I do read this message board...a lot. I just have not felt I knew enough to post here. Thank all of you for listening.
John M. Womack b. abt. 1871, Warren Co TN d. 1949, Married Emma Vaughn Jan. 15, 1896 in Warren Co. She was born 1876 and d.1954.
Carlissa b.1896 d.1944 married Ben Lee
Olive b. 1900 married Thomas Marshall
Jessie b.1905 married Gussie Rinehard 1925
Mare Etta b, 1911 Warren Co Tn married Bill Bell 1927
John M is the son of Andrew "Jack" Jackson Womack and Serena Boren. I have lots of holes here and would appreciate any help in filling them and extending Johns line.
Need info on Andrew Jacksons other children also.
1 Andrew Jackson Womack 1842 -
. +Serena Boren 1845 -
...... 2 John M Womack 1871 - 1949
.......... +Emma Vaughn 1876 - 1954
.............. 3 Clarissa Womack 1896 - 1944
.................. +Ben Lee
.............. 3 Olive Womack 1900 - Deceased
.................. +Thomas Marshall
.............. 3 Jessie Womack 1905 -
.................. +Gussie Rinehard
.............. 3 Mary Etta Womack 1911 -
.................. +Bill Bell
...... 2 William Womack 1872 -
...... 2 Richard T Womack 1876 -
...... 2 Rosetta A Womack 1877 -
...... 2 Henry C Womack 1878 -
...... 2 Frank Womack 1880 -
...... 2 Andrew Jackson Womack 1888 - Deceased
There has to be some descendants of this branch of my tree out there in the wild blue yonder and I will share with all. I have WTM and can accept all ged files.
Found this data base on Roots web. Has the entire 1910 Pike County, AR
Just surfing and thought someone might could use this one. Lots of Womacks listed.
Peace and Love
I abstracted all Womacks in the 1850 Census here:
Over 2000 Womacks, check it out when you get a chance. I'm sure I missed a few, let me know where they were and I'll add them.
On the census page you posted, I believe you said you couldnt find Michael
Womack - but you had looked at Pike and Hempstead Counties - Howard
county was formed from those two counties plus Polk and Sevier - He lived in the Nashville AR area, died in Howard County abt 1861, Sarah his wife died there abt 1865.
Robert, do you want notes on who these guys are?
Let it be said, those on line censuses may not be all there! I just went thru
Polk Co AR and found that in Freedom Twp, the page started with a boy 10 years
old and no last name - indicating something is missing -- Also on White Twp,
Polk Co, White2 images number 2, I found a T L or T S Womack, age 38, miner,
place of birth unknown, enumerated with a John Price, dwelling 129, family 129,
only 1 listed in the whole dang county! Someone check that and ensure that I
read the initials correctly, the last name is no doubt!
So, the indexes for 1850 list only head of household, not all of the enumerated ones --
I am also working Sevier to find Michael Womack since Robert could not find on Pike or Hempstead - so far nil.. If I remember Howard did not become a county until around 1873, so the references to Michael's death in Howard in 1861 and Sarah's in 1865 are incorrect - they died in what may now be Howard, but not in Howard at the time - that is one of our problems with trying to find some of these people..they didnt move, the counties did!!
Then again, I dont feel Ancestry nor the others put all the images on line..
Just finished going through Sevier, Pike and Hempstead counties again, found no Womacks. Three of Michael Womacks married daughters are on p.178B of Pike Co AR, Brewer Twp. Another of Michael's daughters. Mariah married to Anthony Floyd was still in Bedford Co, TN (22 Dist p.239A) in 1850; by 1860 they had moved to Pike Co, AR as well.
Just looked at the BMO land records as well. Both Michael and his son David got land grants in what is currently Howard Co, AR, but Michael's say he was "of Hempstead County" and David's say he was "of Pike County". The land grants start in 1855. Mine Creek Twp in Hempstead (where Michael was in 1860) and Brewer Twp in Pike (where 4 of Michael's daus and 2 of his sons were in 1860) were adjacent.
According to the tree with the Michael Womack article, Sarah E Womack, dau of David Dickens Womack, son of Michael, was born on 26 Oct 1850 in Arkansas during the journey from TN. In the 1850 Census, the enumerator did not get to Brewer Twp of Pike Co, AR until November, and the Hempstead enumerator did not get to Mine Creek Twp until December. The enumerators were supposed to reflect the way things were on 1 Jun 1850, though often they did not. If the enumerators did their jobs correctly, and we believe that the Womacks were en route on 26 Oct 1850, then the enumerator were correct in not listing the Womacks; they should have been enumerated in TN. I know there is some info that says Michael came to AR in 1849, and I guess it is possible that Michael came a year before his son David. One thing for sure is that Michael and his children came to AR over a period of three or four years.
I'll do another post on where I think Michael Womack should have been enumerated in 1850.
Yes, I would like to identify what branch (if known) of the family these Womacks belonged to. I have actually already started on this using resources here at WGN, the Womack Register, and elsewhere on the web. There is a great deal of conflicting info out there, which certainly makes thing interesting.
Eventually, I would like to abstract the other censuses, starting with 1790 thru 1840. I was just playing around with the ancestry.com 1930 census, and it appears that by 1930 there were upwards of 15,000 Womacks (various spellings) in the US (though I have not broken that down by state or by race).
Also, I am trying to make a clickable map of the US showing where the Womacks were in 1850. You would click on a county to go to that county in the census records. It actually helps make things clear when you see the counties as they existed in 1850, and which ones were adjacent, especially across state lines.
Though, of course, there is no guarantee that since Womack families lived in the same county they were closely related. In my first county, Benton Co, AL, there seems to be a mix of Warmacks from Habersham Co, GA, and Womacks who were probably descendants of William and Lucy (Womack) Womack.
To Ann Turner
Ann, I stumbled over the DNA board at Roots Web http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GENEALOGY-DNA/ and read many of the postings that were placed during the years since your first. Actually this makes you a "Pioneer" on the board and I find it very interesting. The haplogroup can and will often show the origin of the name in an early localized area. My DNA indicates that my Womack line is from England which you know we are trying to prove by documenting. Mark seems to have his foot in the door from what he has posted on his recent visit to England. Appears he too found the early records kept in the British archives were hard to locate and decipher.
I am bringing your participation in dna testing to light because I am sure that most Womack researchers had no knowledge of it. While I am a "newbie" on the subject I do have some understanding from my participation in the Blanton testing Phase 2 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blantonroots/historians/home.htm .
Through this testing the main gist of Rev Christenberry Lee's writings were found to be true and did prove the Womack/Blanton connection to Abraham Womack Sr being the father of Thomas 1743, h/o Louvisa Rice, where so many of us has hit the proverbial brick wall.
Now with Abraham Sr being the son of Thomas Womack Sr and Mary Farley and Thomas Sr being the son of Abraham 1644 it leads us right back to the assumed father William Womack 1 whom is said came to "New Virginia" from England about 1640 ( there is a mention of this in an early record) and is reputed to be the father of five sons and three daughters from whom most Womacks descended.
DNA testing on some of the other lines would show the relation to Abraham 1644.
While the cost of testing has been very expensive in the past it is being used more and more in genealogy and the cost is coming down. Another great thing is the Y Base being established http://www.ybase.org/ wherein all DNA can be compared . I recently recieved some info from Robert Stafford on a more economical testing lab that will test a group of 5 for $80.00 each on a prepaid plan, thereafter any single donor would be at the same rate at:
http://www.dnaheritage.com/default.asp , their tutorial is an interesting read and links to other sites. The $80. deal is a promotional thing and those interested should consider this.
To date I have received an intrest from several, four positive if my menory is correct. With the minimum of 5 needed to start the group and establishing an administrator for the group who would be responsible to hand out the code is considerly cheaper than Relative Genetics ($175. per).
Sam W, Carlos Womacks granddaughter Janet Brewer (donor Carlos)and Steve Womack have previously said yes . Roger said he would at the lesser rate. Soooo, now somebody volunteer to be the administrator collect the money and order the kits and pass out the code. Seems that there would be very little paper work because a Tafal of the donors genealogy is not required as it was in my case. Those darn things are hard to document besides we all know each others lineage to some extent. We would all have our DNA in the Y Base for future generations of researchers as well as the present ones. With all the testing going on in Europe and especially in England and Ireland we may hit the jackpot.
Think I am already in the Y Base if not I'll get the info into it from RG, and NO, I will not be the administrator.
FYI Jack, DNA heads up. Jack, To whom it may concern: I'll jump but not as an administrator
James, well in some sense you may have it easy - because you've got documents
galore. So, you are reseaching a 20th century person, the government is your
friend, federal, state, local.. Re: DNA Testing Re: DNA Testing List, Jack, Jest tell me how much, when and whar to send the fee to. DNA testing Update Sam To all interested in the DNA project: Well, I guess I'm the admin. I
contacted DNA Heritage tonight, and I'm just waiting for them to get back with
me. I'll let everyone know what is happens as soon as I know.
Wednesday, October 29, 2003 at 01:47:41 (PST) Re: The Womack DNA testing.
The DNA promotional deal at http://www.dnaheritage.com/ is only good through December 16 2003 I just found out. Visit the website and read the FAQs.
Attached is a letter to Robert Stafford.
Jack and Cathy,
If there is interest in doing more testing on Womacks, the attached is from another testing firm to consider. They use 20 of the same markers as RG. They are a little cheaper to use since they test only 21 markers, which is sufficient. Their site is www.dnaheritage.com.
Buying five tests ahead of time during their promotion makes a lot of sense if there is some interest. The cost per test is about $80.
The big advantage over RG is that you don't have to submit them in batches of 6 to get the group rate. Once you do 5 you get the rate. Also, the group administrator basically just has to give out the code number, so he/she doesn't get involved in all of the paperwork.
FamilyTreeDNA is not really such a bargain, since four of their markers (464a, b, c,d) are simply repeats of the same one at different places on the Y-chromosome. You can't really tell which site mutates. People are starting to ignore it when they analyze when two people are related.
From: "DNA Heritage"
Subject: Your DNA Heritage enquiry
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:29:01 +0100
Dear Robert Stafford,
Many thanks for your enquiry.
There are a couple of options open to Projects which will get them onto the
group-rate. The standard option is to have 5 tests at the individual rate,
that can come in at different times, after which the sixth and any
subsequent members will receive the group-rate.
Another option is to send all 5 samples back together, in which case I'll
only charge you at the group-rate for all 5.
A third option is to 'pre-pay' for sample kits. This means paying for (at
least) 5 kits in advance at the group-rate (currently 5 x £49), and then
when you want to use them, you simply place an order. Because you will have
already paid for! them, you can use/return them at any time.
In all options, as long as the criteria is met, your group will be placed on
the group-rate so that the sixth member (and any more) will automatically
receive the group rate.
If memory serves me right, you've already been tested by Relative Genetics,
which of course is an advantage because many of our markers overlap. Our
own 21-marker test (and I would assume it would be similar for RG), was
devised so that as many single-copy markers as possible (vs. cost) has been
used. We've deliberately used as few multi-copy markers in our test panel
as you often cannot compare two people on them.
Hope the above information helps.
If you've any other questions at all, please feel free to ask.
Tel: +44 (0) 1305 834936
Fax: +44 (0) 1305 835925
Sunday, October 26, 2003 at 08:23:21 (PST)
My interest in the DNA testing lies in the Burrell Womack line of Yell Co, AR; he was my ggg-grandfather, my dad's mother is Thelma Womack Burke. There are several male Womack descendants of Burrell including one of my grandma's first cousins living within a few miles of me. I would be willing to pay for the DNA test for one of these Womack men.
Also, it might be good to be get some peple with the Warmack surname involved, to see if they are really related to the Womacks, or they are an altogether different family.
Sunday, October 26, 2003 at 11:59:05 (PST)
OK guys, Robert Burks in a previous post has offered to pay the fee for a male descendant of Burrwell Womack to be tested. Somebody needs to jump on this ASAP. If a donor is found that will make five and we can get the show on the road. Once we get over the 5 prepaid donors within the time limit of the promotional deal anyone can join in at anytime for the group rate. The testing is painless and involves swabbing the insides of both cheeks with two swabs provided in the kit and mailing them back.
Right now we are burning daylight on this. Someone who has a website would make a good administrator for the project and as I unmderstand the deal there is very little paperwork involved. Once the 5 th donor is found the others must be notified.
This is not to say that only 5 donors are to be the core group, but there must be at least 5 prepaid at one time to qualify for the low fee deal. I'm sure Sam and Roger will se this and I will bring Janet and Steve up to speed.
Some of you may not know Carlos Womack is in a rest home with a serious case of senior moments and his Gdauther Janet Brewer will get his cheek cell samples.
Sunday, October 26, 2003 at 14:03:10 (PST)
After reading through some of the stuff at the links you posted, I'm pretty excited about the DNA testing. I had thought that all the DNA testing would do is confirm that most of us descend from one Womack male, possibly William, who lived in Virginia in the mid-1600s. However, I saw from the Blanton testing that small changes in the DNA that had occurred in the past 200 years could be used to determine which branch of the family one belonged to. That could make the testing a very powerful tool in sorting out some of the unidentified Womack lines.
Sunday, October 26, 2003 at 18:58:45 (PST)
James Keith Cowart
I am just getting started in researching my tree. I am wondering where to start. Would anybody know anything of Benjamin Lee Womack? Supposedly he came to America in either 1945 or 1947. He came over on the RMS Queen Mary, married to Ada Threlfall. They had 4 children Benjamin,Terry,Peter, and Catherine. If anybody knows anything and could help me I would really appreciate a boost.
Sunday, October 26, 2003 at 19:12:33 (PST)
Monday, October 27, 2003 at 12:44:40 (PST)
First stop, the SSDI - without knowing when he was born or died, all I can tell you is that there are about 7 possibles to look at. If he's there, then file a request for his application
Next stop, get a copy of his death certificate and obituary
Next, try the INS for copies of his naturalization papers
Next, try the national archives - if he came into NY on the Queen Mary - it had other ports of call - try • Index (Soundex) to Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at the Port of New York, 1944-48. M1417. 94 rolls. 16mm. - which will tell you exactly what roll the original roll was on - there are other indexes for other ports.....and then you get handed off to our English cousins - if he was b. before 1920 or so, the should be able to trace him fairly easily in the census.
Monday, October 27, 2003 at 12:48:36 (PST)
We are about there with the DNA group, another has signed on board, he is ERNEST WOMACK and I see SAM WOMACK has verified his participation. Steve Womack has signed on board, and Robert Burke is going to fade a Burrell Womack descendant. I received a confirming e mail fron Ernest and returned the following to him.
I will start posting the names of those who are signing on board in the WGN. Someone of the group will have to be the administrator to hand out the code (see the details on the lab's website). If Roger Womack and Janet Brewer sign on plus you and the Burrell Womack descendant, that Robert Burks will pre pay, will more than make the quota. The administrator will receive the money and make a lump sum payment to the lab and then the kits can be ordered and sent out. Not sure but I think they would prefer that the kits be all returned at the same time. Once an administrator volunteers he/she will contact the lab and arrange the details. I will post the list of names on WGN and ask that one of them volunteer to be the administrator.
Thanks for being a participant in the first Womack DNA Pioneering Group.
The following are the names and lineage of the Charter Members of the Womack DNA Pioneer Group. I can say this because I have found no other Womack group.
Names and lineage are:
Sam Womack ( Alexander Womack Sr)
Robert Burke ( Burrell Womack )
Ernest Womack (Newton B Womack )
Steve Womack ( sorry Steve I don't know yours)
Those that have tenatively commited but not verified are;
Janet Brewer (Carlos Womack)
Roger Womack ( Larkin A Womack)
Janet has been mailed a notice.
Roger You indicated you would jump on board at a reduced fee, Air U Readdyyyy.
This is a good mix of donors and should prove interesting. Some of these lines are going to find branches and cousins they never knew they had. Best of all with all the testing going on in England and Ireland and being entered into the free Y Base, as Sam would say " We'uns are gonna find sumpin out".
Please note, once we have prepaid the first five on the group promotional deal, ANYONE can join in anytime at the same fee. The only way you can beat that deal is to join NOW and be a Charter Member of the Womack Pioneer Group.
Roger, Mark or David, any volunteers for administrator, shucks guys , don't think of it as work. just think of the prestige. Seriously anyone can be the administrator. I ain't gonna do it, I volunteered as a pilot in the A.F. and they put me to working on the those darn flying machines. Oh ,well they wanted me to fly THEIR way, no fun.
Monday, October 27, 2003 at 15:06:50 (PST)
Th names of the Charter Members of the Womack Pioneer Group who have confirmed their participation are:
Sam Womack ( Alexander Womack Sr)
Robert Burke ( Burrell Womack )
Ernest Womack (Newton B Womack )
Steve Womack ( sorry Steve I don't know yours)
Roger Womack ( Larkin A Womack)
There is one tenative JANET BREWER(Carlos Womack)and there is room for others who wish to join the group. Thibk about all the brick walls this will break down. Yes I said will because I know of at least one for sure already. What I am calling thr Charter Members are those that sign up before the "pre-paid" fee is sent in. The group still neads an administrator, any can be one they do not have to be a donor. Somebody help and get the show on the road,
Monday, October 27, 2003 at 18:49:37 (PST)
I'll be the admin for the DNA testing if no one else wants to be it. I do not want to step on anyone's toes. My surname is not Womack (my paternal grandmother is a Womack), and I have not participated in WGN as much as other people, or for as long. The reduced price deadline is still a few weeks away. If no one else steps forward in the next few days, I'll be happy to be the admin.
Tuesday, October 28, 2003 at 05:48:04 (PST)
Actually Jack, that goes back to Richard I, Richard II, then Alex Sr.. Definitely should prove interesting -- eh wot??
Tuesday, October 28, 2003 at 08:13:52 (PST)
We have a volunteer for administrator for the group. Thanks Robert Burke. While Robert is not a Womack male descendant he does have a Womack descendant in his family. We all have seen his many postings on the WGN.
From your postings I believe you would make a fine administrator. You will need to contact www.dnaheritage.com by email and get the particulars from them. be sure and make them aware that the group will be a prepaid fee, to get the promotional rate. Everyone may have to submit their fee to you and then you will forwarded it lump sum to the lab. I don't know if the kits will come to you and you in turn mail them out to the donors. Details you will have to work out with dna heritage. All correspondence can be done with e mail, check the site for links.
If you do not have the addresses for the participating donors I can provide them by e mail.
Better yet all donors should contact you from now on but I would like to be kept in the loop. I will be busy posting my DNA markers on the Y Base for comparison.
If I recall you do have a website whick will be a plus but I think all Womack researchers want to know more about the DNA test.
Tuesday, October 28, 2003 at 08:27:25 (PST)
I knew that but I cut the lines short because some researchers are not back to your Richard or my Abraham and they identify with the ones I posted more readily. I do not mean to imply that those I posted were all the ancestor of any given line. I can safely say that many who read the WGN do not know everybodys full line, I know I don't but have a pretty good idea from years of reading the WGN message pages and the Womack News Letters that I started with when my father gave me a copy of in 1967.
Tuesday, October 28, 2003 at 18:13:07 (PST)
Janet Brewer, Carlos Womack's niece contacted me and said she is in with Carlos being the donor. I had previously stated that Janet was his g daughter, sorry we all make mistakes. Carlos's line is well documented in his book.
All the participants should contact Robert the group administrator in the future with your e mail addy, so after he recieves an answer from dna heritage he may contact you. I will still try to answer all questions and e mails concerning the project.
Now comes the hard part, waiting and for the final results.
DNA heads up.
To whom it may concern:
I'll jump but not as an administrator
James, well in some sense you may have it easy - because you've got documents
galore. So, you are reseaching a 20th century person, the government is your
friend, federal, state, local..
Re: DNA Testing
Re: DNA Testing List,
Jest tell me how much, when and whar to send the fee to.
DNA testing Update
To all interested in the DNA project: Well, I guess I'm the admin. I contacted DNA Heritage tonight, and I'm just waiting for them to get back with me. I'll let everyone know what is happens as soon as I know.
Wednesday, October 29, 2003 at 01:47:41 (PST)
Re: The Womack DNA testing.