Who was David S. Womack who married Rebecca E. Williams in 1861 in Hempstead
I am working on a theory that this could be David Sampson Womack, son of Josiah Womack and brother of Burrell H. Womack of Yell Co, AR. I cannot find Sampson Womack in any census records except the 1870 and 1900 censuses of Yell Co, AR. In 1870, he is listed as Sampson Womack, age 40, born in TN. He is in the next household from Burrell's widow, which makes me think he was probably Burrell's brother. In 1900, he is listed as Sam Womack, 75 (no month or year of birth given), widower, born in TN, both parents born in TN.
Burrell Womack had a son named David S. Womack born in 1863. I do not know what the S stood for, but I am thinking it was Sampson. A "D.S. Womack" appears on voter registration lists in Yell Co, AR in 1872 and 1873. Burrell's son, David S., was too young, so I am thinking D.S. was Sampson Womack, Burrell's brother.
According to the marriage record, David S. was 35 when he married Rebecca Williams in 1861. If David S. is the same person as Sampson, his age was given as 4 or 5 years too young in 1870, but was pretty close in 1900.
A Sampson Womack served in the Confederate Army, Company G of Hardy's Regt AR Infantry. I need to get his service records from National Archives. Sampson's unit was formed from the remnants of the 19th (Dawson's) AR Inf Regt, Cos B & C. Three Womacks served in Co C of 19th (Dawson's) AR Inf Regt, W.H., A.J., and C.
W.H. has been identified as William "Wade" Harrison Womack, son of Michael and Sarah Jones Womack of Bedford Co, TN. The C. Womack was likely Wade's brother, Charles Wiley Womack, although he also had a cousin named Charles Womack, son of David and Elizabeth (?) Womack; David is thought to be the brother of Michael. A.J. Womack was possibly Andrew Jackson Womack, son of David and Elizabeth.
My theory is that David & Elizabeth (Hawkins?) Womack of Bedford Co, TN had at least 4 sons, David, Hawkins, Michael, and Josiah. With the exception of Hawkins, these sons or their families moved to Arkansas at various times. I think David Sampson Womack and Burrell Womack were sons of Josiah Womack (who probably died in Hardeman Co, TN between 1840-1850). David Sampson may have moved near his cousins, the sons of Michael, in Pike/Hempstead Cos. There he married Rebecca and served in the Civil War. Rebecca must have died with no known children. David Sampson moved to Yell Co near his brother Burrell and never remmaried.
Robert, basically, I only know of these particular Womacks in terms of
determining they weren't related to mine, who also lived in the Yell Co area
briefly - although a few are apparently buried in at Mt. Magazine. Ok, try
and search on Womack - a DS should show up in the voter registration lists of 1872 and 1873 - other than that, I can't tell you much. Ann
Fer Yer Info -
Descendants of William 30 Womack
1 William 30 Womack b: Abt. 1768 VA d: Abt. 1811 TN
.. +Margaret Ellis b: 1769 d: 1835 m: Feb 04, 1790 Lunenburg Co, VA
......... 2 Unk Womack b: Abt. 1791
......... 2 Unk Womack b: Abt. 1793
......... 2 Unk Womack b: Abt. 1794
......... 2 Unk Womack b: Abt. 1796
......... 2 B H Womack b: Abt. 1799
......... 2 Richard Womack b: Abt. 1804 Halifax Co VA
............. +Elizabeth Hammonds d: Abt. 1830
......... *2nd Wife of Richard Womack:
............. +Cynthia Smiley d: Abt. 1873
.................... 3 Hart B Womack b: Jan 07, 1844 d: Jan 11, 1917
........................ +Tillie Whitmore d: Abt. 1916
.................... *2nd Wife of Hart B Womack:
........................ +Elza Dyer
*2nd Wife of William 30 Womack:
.. +Frances (Fannie) ? m: Abt. 1816
......... 2 Mahaley Womack b: Abt. 1817 TN
......... 2 Michael Womack b: Abt. 1819 TN
......... 2 Steven Womack b: Abt. 1821 Bedford Co TN
............. +Tempy Chandler b: Abt. 1835
.................... 3 John Franklin Womack b: Abt. 1861 MS
........................ +Rhoda Gertrude Askew b: Abt. 1864 AR m: May 02, 1880 Hempstead Co AR
............................... 4 Fannie Batton Womack b: Nashville AR
............................... 4 Edda Johnson Womack b: Nashville AR
............................... 4 Anna Prather Womack b: Nashville AR
......... 2 Sara Womack b: Abt. 1823 Bedford Co TN
......... 2 David S Womack b: Abt. 1825 Bedford Co TN d: TX
............. +Rebecca Williams b: Abt. 1834 m: Jun 30, 1861 Hempstead Co AR
......... 2 Rebecca Womack b: Abt. 1827 Bedford Co TN
............. +James Martin Nall b: Abt. 1833 m: Abt. 1845 Fayette Co AR
......... 2 William Wiley Green Womack b: Aug 08, 1828 Bedford Co TN d: Aug 17, 1905 Franklin Co TN?
............. +Maery Jane Morris b: Dec 26, 1831 Franklin Co TN d: Dec 31, 1903 Franklin Co TN m: Dec 26, 1851 Franklin Co TN
.................... 3 Mannon Womack b: Oct 18, 1852 Franklin Co TN d: Bef. 1860
.................... 3 Rebecca Elizabeth Womack b: Jun 13, 1854 Franklin Co TN
.................... 3 Jane Ann Womack b: Feb 10, 1857 Franklin Co TN
.................... 3 Thomas Alexander b: Jun 11, 1859 Franklin Co TN
.................... 3 John Morgan Womack b: Jun 01, 1862 Franklin Co TN d: Whitt Co, TX
.................... 3 Elisha L Womack b: Mar 26, 1866 Franklin Co TN
.................... 3 Saphronie Womack b: Feb 23, 1872 Franklin Co TN d: Abt. 1950
.................... 3 Rachel Womack b: Feb 23, 1874 Franklin Co TN
......... 2 John Hawkins Womack b: Abt. 1832
............. +Cassandra Caroline Morris b: Apr 20, 1835 Franklin Co TN d: Abt. 1903 Franklin Co TN m: Abt. 1852 Franklin or Bedford Co TN
.................... 3 James W Womack b: Abt. 1853 Franklin Co TN
.................... 3 Thomas Alexander Womack b: Abt. 1856 Franklin Co TN d: 1933 Decherd TN
.................... 3 Berry Franklin Womack b: Apr 05, 1858 Franklin Co TN d: Jan 21, 1921
.................... 3 William Riley Womack b: Abt. 1859 Franklin Co TN
.................... 3 John W Womack b: Abt. 1862 Franklin Co TN
.................... 3 Charles Benjamin Womack b: Abt. 1865 Franklin Co TN d: Jun 10, 1960 Camden AR
........................ +Clercy Mae Hamby m: Abt. 1885
............................... 4 Arleigh Dewey Womack b: Jan 01, 1899 d: Jul 30, 1989
................................... +Gladys Vaughn b: Dec 06, 1907 d: May 29, 1986
........................................... 5 Robert Bentley Womack b: Jun 24, 1928 d: Jul 26, 1995
............................................... +Minnie ?
...................................................... 6 Suzie Womack
...................................................... 6 Bobby Faye Womack
...................................................... 6 Ronnie Womack
........................................... *2nd Wife of Robert Bentley Womack:
............................................... +Maggie Young b: Jul 09, 1938 m: Oct 05, 1956
...................................................... 6 Robert Lee Womack b: Apr 05, 1957
...................................................... 6 Michael Gene Womack b: Sep 09, 1957
...................................................... 6 Thomas Wesley Womack b: Dec 20, 1959
...................................................... 6 Jamie Womack b: Jun 25, 1963
.......................................................... +John Grover Lawson m: May 07, 1982 AR?
................................................................. 7 Victoria Jean Lawson b: Jun 18, 1983
................................................................. 7 John Robert Lawson b: Apr 22, 1986
................................................................. 7 Shawn Adam Lawson b: Feb 13, 1992
.................... 3 Sally Womack b: Abt. 1866 Franklin Co TN
.................... 3 Mary Louiza Womack b: Abt. 1869 Franklin Co TN
.................... 3 Martha E Womack b: Abt. 1873 Franklin Co TN
.................... 3 Cassie J Womack b: Abt. 1876 Franklin Co TN
......... 2 Mariah Womack b: Abt. 1834
......... 2 Charles Womack b: Abt. 1837
William who married Margaret Ellis was the Brother of my 4th Great Jacob Womack, who signed as surety for his marriage, Father James Alexander Jr, grand father James Alexander Sr, great grandfather Richard II, great great Richard I, then of course the alleged William..
Here are some census records I found:
1850 TN Lincoln, Subdivision #2, p.92B, house 829, family 829
William Womack 70 M W None VA
-Frances 50 F W NC
-Mahaley 33 F W NC (yes, Mahaley was listed as born in NC)
-Sarah 26 F W TN
-David 24 F W TN (yes, David was listed as female)
-Rebecca 21 F TN
-William 19 M W Farmer TN
-Mariah 16 F W TN
-Charles 13 M W TN
1860 AR Hempstead, Mine Creek Twp, PO Nashville, p.903, house 1445, family 1445
S M Warmick 39 M W Farmer TN
-Tempy 28 F W AL
-D S 38 M W TN
(other non-Womack persons in household)
The William in Lincoln Co, TN in 1850 appears to be the same as the William in your post by the names of wife & kids, but he is 12 years too young. I've been doing this quite a while myself, so I'm well aware the census enumerators made plenty of mistakes.
In 1860, Steven (S.M.) Womack was in Hempstead Co, AR with wife Tempy and brother Davis S. They were near Michael & Sarah Jones Womack, and not far from Michael's sons across the county line in Pike Co, AR.
I am researching for information about an Elizabeth Womack who was born in 1897 in Skiningrove Yorkshire England. She married William Wood in 1913 and had three children, one who died in infancy, Kenneth Wood, Constance Elizabeth (May 18, 1819) who married Frank Hornby and later moved to the USA and Winifred May Wood (May 2, 1913) who married Joe Stonehouse. I believe Elizabeth's parents were named Jack and Elizabeth. I would appreciate any information on this family if you would be willing to share it. Thank you. Claudia Hornby, Plattsburgh, NY
Suggest you go on line and check out the 1901 Census of England. You should be able to find her with a liitle luck. It is on line.
Claudia. I looked it up for you.
There is a Elizabeth Womack aged 6 in the 1901 Census. She was born according to that in Patricroft Lancashire. Now I had a quick look at my Phillimores for that place. Seems as though once again it has been transcribed wrong. I can not find it listed. Suggest a little more research on that. Any way, her parents were James Womack aged 28 born Morton Derbyshire ( correct ) he was a general lab. His wife was Ada aged 26 was born Sheffield Yorks. Also another child in the family, Elsie aged 2 born Sheffield. They were living in a district area called Heeley. Not sure if this is the family though that you are looking for.
Sam, I need HELP. I am confused about some dates connected with your William Womack posted Sept 3. You have William dying about 1811 TN and yet William is marrying about 1816 Frances (Fannie). That must have been some wedding. William and Fannie had a son Charles born about 1837. Margaret Ellis Womack is listed as dying 1835. Rev. James Shelburne's Minister Returns of Lunenburg County, VA show William Wommack and Margaret Ellis marrying 4 Feb 1790 so that date seems OK. Now Robert found William and Fannie in TN and it seems that William was still living in 1850 age 70 with Fannie age 50 and Charles is listed as age 13 which makes him born about 1837 TN. Could the William who married Margaret Ellis be a different William from the William who married Fannie? Also is it possible that Frances (Fannie)'s last name be HAWKINS? William and Fannie had a son named John Hawkins Womack. Maybe some data can be found in North Car. Records. Another question I have is where are the counties of Bedford and Franklin located in Tenn? Are these counties located in the area that was the lost STATE OF FRANKLIN? Help me. I am so confused. Doretta
I cannot vouch for the accuracy of that data...It is as sent to me by others - I, too, note the discrepancy in the death, marriage, etc dates - from what I got from one of the descendants, who lives in AR, was that William did in fact marry twice - as shown -- and yes, the felief is that Fannie was a Hawkins but since nothing definite, left last name blank --
The census data referred to in AR has been on my AR page on the net for a couple or more years --
As far as the locations of Bedford and Franklin, dont have an atlas to look them up at the moment -
From the Clarion-Ledger in Jackson, MS:
September 08, 2003
James E. Womack
James E. Womack, 49, a supervisor, died Saturday, September 6, 2003, at Magee General Hospital in Magee. Services are 12 noon today at Dry Creek Baptist Church with burial in Womack Cemetery. Colonial Chapel Funeral Home of Magee is in charge of arrangements.
Regarding Art Wommack (Belle Wommack
My maternal grandfather was Lionel Artus Wommack. His father was shown as being Art (Artus?) Wommack. Art was born in Texas. Somewhere I have a Copy of Lionel's death certificate, which will show his birthplace, mother and father's name. Lionel was born in the 1890s and had a brother, Howard, who was close to his age, which may be the two kids shown in your photo. I would be most interested in seeing a copy of this photo. Lionel and Howard both moved with their families from Missouri to Oakland, California in the mid-forties. In the meanwhile, I'll search for that death cetificate and see if we might have a common ancestor.
For the post asking about the location of the State of Franklin in Tennessee,
see this site: http://www.segenealogy.com/
It has some great maps showing the formation of Tennessee and other southern states.
Looking for information on Henderson Wommack. Henderson was born in 1838 and died in 1893. Henderson's second wife was Elizabeth Allen. They were married in Webster County Missouri in 1872. They had two children, Artis and Jacob. Elizabeth was my GGGrandmother and I am looking for information on her and the two sons. Can anyone help me?
I received this letter from a person in Evington,VA.I am not to sure how
accurate the information is.
Womacks apparently lived somewhere in this vicinity of Campbell County,Virginia around the middle 1800,s.It is known that Sally N. Womack, born 1848, was married at age 22 to James Lewis (Tobe) Arthur, born 1849.They had 5 daughters and 3 sons. Two of the daughters married into families related to me. Sally N. Womack was a daughter of James and Mildred Womack; James Lewis Arthur was a son of James Arthur and Jemima Speece.
At Evington Methodist Church there are two Womack graves; Jerry Womack(1857-1907) and Lelia V.Womack(1858-1907). Tradition has it that James Womack was a builder in this area and that he fashioned the chancel rail and communion table at Evington Methodist Church, build around 1880. The source of this bit of information was a Mrs. Sally M. Queensbury (1881-1973)who claimed to be a niece of James Womack.
Further, it is claimed by Womack descendants that a grandfather(or great grandfather) was the builder of two prominent homes, both still standing, in Evington area.One is known as Caryswood and the other as Rickhock. They were build for the Saunders family. Caryswood was build in 1850 and Rickhock was build around 1880.A beautiful and distinctive little Episcopal Church, build about 1880 or 1890, appears to me also to have been the work of the same builder as Caryswood. It has been "deconsecrated" however it is still maintained and used occasionally. It is called The Church of the Good Shepherd.
Clara Womack, now deceased, was the wife of Burnley W. Newman (1915-2002);they are buried at Evington Methodist Church.
This person works on the Campbell County Heritage Book.
This sounds like it could be James W. Womack married to Mildred Yancey. If so, then I think this James was the son of William Womack and Catherine Blankenship. I have three children listed for James and Mildred but I don't have the source I used. The source may have been the 1850 census of Campbell Co VA. One of the children was named Sally. I don't have the name of her husband or any information about her siblings except their names and approximate birth year. This James was trained as a carpenter.
I have started my Womack family page here:
Still a little rough, and I have a lot more to add, but it is a start.
My Womack lineage is as follows:
1) Robert Earl Burke, Jr (1968 - ) (me)
2) Robert Earl Burke, Sr (1945 - )
3) Thelma Clara Womack Burke (1925 - )
4) Olga Austin Womack (1897 - 1949) - lived in Yell and Perry Counties, AR
5) Robert Caldwell Womack (1854 - 1933) - lived in Dallas and Yell Counties, AR
6) Burrell H Womack (about 1816 - about 1867) - lived in Bedford, Hardeman, Madison and Gibson Counties in TN; Dallas and Yell Counties in AR
7) Josiah Womack (about 1795 - between 1840/1850) - lived in Campbell Co, VA; Bedford, Hardeman and possibly Madison counties in TN
8) David Womack (about 1765 - ?) - lived in Virginia; Bedford Co, TN
9) Alexander Womack (about 1708 - about 1784) - Virginia
10) Richard Womack (about 1676 - 1723) - Virginia
11) Richard Womack (about 1655 - 1684) - Virginia
12) William Womack (about 1610 - before 1685) - England, Virginia
I have a lot of circumstantial evidence for the link from Burrell to Josiah, which I will be presenting at my Womack page.
Not quite sure about the link from Josiah to David, though Josiah was definitely from Bedford Co, TN. Josiah may have possibly been the son of Alexander, brother of David.
how much of your line is guess work/ the likes of William womack, I have seen NO PROOF ofany birth around 1610 let alone he came from England.
To me putting all these names and claiming them as Ancestors is wishful thinking.
Most of your date are approx. you need church documents, wills etc, with these people, to clai them in your family.
Well, if your message was an attempt to push my buttons, consider it a success.
I've been working at genealogy for over 10 years in a very serious fashion. I have a clue what I am talking about.
I'll admit I have not personally researched generations 8 through 12 in my list. I'm quite aware that the William Womack at number 12 is a theory. Have you read Ann McDonald's essay on this theory (http://womackhunter.homestead.com/proposal.html)?
I only traced my Womack line to Bedford Co, TN in the past few weeks. This was a very tough line to crack. Believe me, I plan on personally verifying the information for generations 8-12. From what I have seen on the Internet at this site and elsewhere, there are fairly good records in Virginia of deeds, wills, etc to establish most of these connections.
What amazed me the most about your post was your insistence on absolute dates as opposed to aproximate dates. This is not a personal attack, but how long have YOU been tracing your family? Most of us are not descended from the Vanderbilt or DuPont families. If we were, there would not be a lot of need for us to do genealogy, since wealthy families remembered their lineage. Before starting genealogy research, most of us know back to our grandparents' grandparents, if we are lucky. If you require absolute dates, you will trace your family tree back to the late 1800s, and go no further in the vast majority of cases.
Only a small percentage of people left wills. Very few family bibles survive to this day. Many of our ancestors were illiterate. Lots of court houses have burned. Most states only started recording births in the early 1900s, and many rural areas did not fully comply with these laws until as late as the 1940s. If you find a documented absolute date for the birth and/or death of an ancestor, consider yourself lucky. Often, the best we can do is approximate dates from other records, such as a person's age in a census record.
Often, the links between generations are based upon good circumstantial evidence. Perhaps the most common is seeing a child living with an adult of the same last name in the same household in the 1850-1870 censuses. The assumption is that the child is the son or daughter of the adult who is the head of the household, and probably in at least 95% of the cases, this assumption is correct. However, the child could be a nephew or niece, or even an unrelated orphan who was adopted.
Every day in this country, people are convicted in criminal court based upon strong circumstantial evidence. Circumstantial/approximate evidence is good enough for genealogical research if you can use it to make a convincing argument to support your case.
In the final analysis, there is an element of "faith" in genealogical research. For example, we like to believe that all our female ancestors were faithful wives. This, of course, was not always true, which blows apart our theories, especially if we insist on defining genealogy only in terms of biological descent. Only DNA testing is certain, and unfortunately, that only works on direct male or direct female lines of descent.
While I'm on this rant, I'll say that a great many people seem to be into genealogy for some pretty bizzare (at least to me) purposes. For example, this need to prove a connection to royalty or famous people. As if it is shameful to admit that most of our ancestors were simply farmers. Or the need to have a database with 100,000 people in it, no matter how poorly documented. Or the need to find some bogus "family crest." In the Middle Ages in Europe, most of our ancestors were peasants and serfs, not knights and dukes.
My post was simply an outline of my Womack descent. Before accusing someone of "wishful thinking," it would be a little more civil to ask them for their evidence.
I did not mean to be rude, but I have stdied amily history a lot longer than you.
I always give full dates where available, and you can find wills from the poorest of people, I have several where they left haystack, 4 chairs, or even the vegs in the garden.
Those generations `from 8-12 you say you are still looking into, how do you know they are in your family?
To say you cannot tace before 1800 it can be done. I have mine back to my 15th grat grand father where the surname is Womuke.
I also have documentation back to the Laurence Womack bapt. 12th May 1612
in north Lopham died 12th mar 1685 he was my 11th times great Uncle.
I have full dates for every generation up to me. The earlier ones going back to 1535 I only have the years.
I was mainly interested in the William Womack as everyone in the USA is trying to claim him, but no one knows for sure where he came from or how he got to the USA.
Since the line you claim is mine, would like to know where you got Josiah as a son of David? Alexander Sr was my 6th great gramps. I only have 5 children for David, so that is a possibility, To wit: Elizabeth, Elisha H, David, Michael, Hawkins.
The only Josiahs I have are:
Josiah son of William and Lucinda Womack Womack
Josiah son of Abraham and Elizabeth Stubblefield Womack, b.
Josiah son of John and Lucy Tapley Womack, b. bet 1769=1800. d. abt 1848 in NC
Josiah son of Thomas and ? Womack, b. abt 1770
Josiah son of William and Hannah ? Womack, b. abt 1845
I don't want anyone to think that information must be proven before placing it on WGN, it's up to each individual to research their own line and to prove their own line as well as possible. Even if the posted information is incorrect, I would rather it be posted than not posted, at least by posting it we have the opportunity to speak to folks, find out where the information came from and possibly give us a few clues that may assist us in our research. I have made many good connections from bad information because there was a clue that put me in the right direction. If you find information that is incorrect, contact that person and assist them or share what you have. It just been in the past few years that we have become pretty aware that David was the father of Michael, and then a few other siblings showed up, I don't know if Josiah is one, but it's a good lead to go on. I know some of the genealogical purist think every thing should be proven before posting, kind of reminds me of the little bless me groups in our churches with the no sinners allowed attitude. Now that I have offended some, forgive me. Let's keep everyone encouraged to participate right or wrong.
No offense, that is my thang - but as far as posting and the reference to the church thang, Amen Rev...go for it!!
I just finished my web page here:
It has my argument for Burrell Womack being the son of Josiah Womack, and that Josiah Womack was from Bedford Co, TN. Sorry this page is so long, but there is little direct evidence. I have lots of indirect evidence, but that requires more explanation. I hope it all makes sense.
I was wondering what the proof is that Hawkins Womack's wife was Jane
"Jenny" Cooper? I have seen a few sites saying her name was Jane
Black, so I am guessing the Cooper surname is family tradition.
I found a will and a biography of Rev. Solomon Cooper (1801-1884) in which he names as his sister Jane Womack. Rev. Cooper's bio says his father brought the family to Bedford Co, TN in 1811. In 1822, Solomon Cooper moved to Carroll Co, TN, where he was saved. He returned to Bedford Co, TN where he joined the Methodist Church in 1826. By the 1830 Census, he was back in West TN in Hardeman Co, TN. He then moved to southeast Madison Co, TN (near Pinson) where he remained until his death in 1884.
Since Rev. Cooper came from Bedford Co, TN, and was born within a few years of Jane, wife of Hawkins Womack, and both Jane and he were born in NC, I'm pretty sure the Jane Womack mentioned in his will as his sister was Hawkins Womack's widow. Also, Hawkins and Jane had a son named Solomon.
What I find interesting is that Rev. Cooper came west to Carroll Co, TN, then returned to Bedford Co, TN. I think that Hawkins Womack did the same thing, perhaps even going west with Solomon Cooper (his brother-in-law), except when Hawkins returned to Bedford, he remained there the rest of his life. In 1822, Hawkins Womack was indicted in Carroll Co, TN court for brawling. Two of the jurors for Hawkin's case, Henry Rogers (Sr) and Peter Honnell (Sr), were associated with my Josiah Womack. In the 1820 Census of Bedford Co, TN, Hawkins Womack and Josiah Womack were listed two households apart, and less than 20 households from Henry Rogers.
Rev. Cooper married Sarah Honnell, dau of Peter Honnell Sr. Henry Rogers Jr, son of Henry Sr, married another dau of Peter Honnell, Mary Honnell. I believe Josiah Womack was married to a dau of Henry Rogers Sr, though I do not know her given name. In the 1830 Census of Hardeman Co, TN, Solomon Cooper is on the same page as Henry Rogers (Sr) and Peter Honnell (Sr) and only three pages from Josiah Womack (enumerated by mistake as Joseph, tax and deed records of Hardeman correctly identify him as Josiah). The Rogers family was also from Bedford Co, TN.
Anyhow, the will and biography of Rev. Cooper can be found at Madison Co, TN GenWeb, which is one of the best county sites I have seen. There is a search you can use to find these references.
Have you changed E mail addresses? Your mail keeps coming back as undeliverable, unable to recognize adddress....
I am new to genealogy but I am curious to get a basic background for my family history. Unfortunately, I am not close to my father's family--a long story.
My family is from the Lynchburg/Moore County and Tullahoma/Coffee County area of Tennessee. My father is Brian Womack. My grandfather Bernard Womack and great grandfather was Homer Payton Womack. I think the trail leads to the Carolinas, but I am not sure. If anyone has any leads I could follow, I would be most appreciative.
Joseph, glad to see you at WGN. The line you are asking about just happens to be a line we have been discussing recently. I have Homer Bernard Womack, as the son of Homer Payton Womack, son of Joseph Womack (your namesake), son of W.Payton A. Womack, son of James Soloman Womack, son of Hawkins Womack. Get in touch.
Hey all! I was trying to update my Homestead pages, but then went for a week without power from Isabel and now Homestead and my computer aren't talking. Anyway, I have a few dead links on the Womack pages to fix, and not much new to add. Ann
I think this would tend to indicate that the older sons are out of the
1850 Census, Bedford Co TN, Dwelling and Family-151, enumerated Sep 13, 1850.
Hawkins Wamick age 44, born VA.
Jane age is either 41 or 42 (written over) born NC.
All children born TN
Sally Age 18
Nancy age 15
Mariah age 11
Stacy age 9 (female)
Would like someone that has the older children to consolidate them with this list so we all can update our files...
Call for HELP! I have been working on a family webpage. I have created links
to add the different surnames. I am using Geocities for the webpages. I am using
FamilyTree Maker v.10 for the genealogy.
Any advice on how to add the info? I am looking for legibility more than how much I can get on each page. I have remembered to privatise.
Hello Folks. Back on line after the southern migration with cats from Cape Cod to Key West. About the recent controversies. There are standards for genealogical research and reporting. See for instance the Genealogical Standards of the National Genealogical Society (www.ngsgenealogy.org) which include sections for research and for sharing information with others. As for the contributions of Robert and Dave, as far as I know there is no evidence (BUT I do agree with Ann MacDonald's hypothesis) that there was a William father of the Henrico Five brothers (Abraham, Richard, John, William and Thomas). Also there is no evidence connecting the Henrico family to the Norfolk Womacks of Lawrence etc. If anyone of you out there reading this thinks you have such evidence please post it rather than asserting you have it.
Not to beat a dead horse, but a lot of people make a lot of undocumented
assertions here, and they do not get skewered. I think that's OK; this should be
a place to learn, theorize, make mistakes, etc. There are lots of people of
different experience and skill levels that we can all learn from. And, there are
tactful, non-hostile ways to disagree with someone.
That said, back to genealogy...
1) Can anyone help me with the proof or reasoning that Hawkins Womack, David Womack (Jr), and Michael Womack of Bedford Co, TN were sons of David Womack (Sr)? This may help me connect my Josiah Womack.
2) Some info I found that some might find interesting. The white population of colonial Virginia was only about 38,000 in 1670. By 1700, it was about 70,000, and all living with 80 miles of the shore. Various sources give slightly different figures, but the gist is that colonial Virginia was a very small world. I think this helps put in perspective some of the debate about the earliest Womacks. Given that Womack is not a common surname like Smith or Thompson, there may have been 2 or 3 distinct Womack families in Virginia in the late 17th century, but unlikely there were any more.
My Womack documentation is at my personal website here:
All I'm saying is: if you assert something be prepared to give your evidence for doing so. That's research.
RE: Andrew A. Womack(Son of Richard Womack and Dicy Hayes) b. 9-10-1795 d
My notes show he died in Raleigh, Simpson County, MS. There is a Simpson Co. MS (I grew up there) and a Raleigh, Smith County, MS.(My husband grew up there).
But, there is no Raleigh, Simpson Co. MS. Does anyone have in their records which it is he died in?
Thanks in advance,
Tracie WoMack Easterling
This is going to be long so pull up a chair, grab a cuppa and relax!
Just a comment on a supposition you mentioned earlier: You proposed Josiah as a son of Alexander brother to David - Alex, brother to David Sr, was my 5th great grandpa -
Alex Sr's will named his children, None were named Josiah..As best as Ray Womack and I can determine, Alex Jr had no son named Josiah -
There was a Josiah who was married to a Keziah and died about 1800 in Nottoway Co VA--Nottoway Co was where a nephew of David Sr lived, Edmund Womack son of Alex Sr(and possibly others unnamed at the moment)..This Josiah named 5 children in his will, William, Bird, Edith, Willy(female) and Eliza. This will is on Roger's documents page under WILLS. Alex Sr's will also here.
For lack of dates to accomplish any form of minimal analysis, I have just finished going thru all 56 images of the 1820 census for Bedford Co TN. Results:
Wammack, Michael: 1--2-1/1-111
1 male under 10
2 males 16 and under 26
1 male 45 and up (born 1775 or before)
1 female under 10
1 female 16-under 26
1 female 26-45
1 female 45 up
Wammack, David: 21---1/-2112
2 males under 10
1 male 10-16
1 male 45 and up
2 females 10-16
1 female 16-under 26
1 female 26-25
1 female 45 up
Wammack, Alexr.: 11--11/1-111
1 male under 10
1 male 10-16
1 male 26-45
1 male 45 up
1 female under 10
1 female 16- under 26
1 female 26-45
1 female 45 up
Wammack, William: 21---3/-12-1
2 males under 10
1 male 10-16
3 males 45 up
1 female 10-16
2 females 16- under 26
1 female 45 up
Wammack, Josiah: 2-11-1/1-2--
2 males under 10
1 male 16-18
1 male 16- under 26 (I think this may be wrong? 18-under 26 perhaps)
1 male 26-45
1 male 45 up
1 female under 10
2 females 16-under 26
Wammack, Hawkins: 1-22--/1-1-1
1 male under 10
2 males 16-18
2 males 16-under 26(again think this should be 18-under 26)
1 female under 10
1 female 16 and under 26
1 female 45 up
All these were one right after another on the census, indicating they are
probably closely related - You will note, however, that on the Hawkins data here
the oldest male is 16 and under 26 with a female in the household 45 up.
Do we have a widow and children??
The Hawkins married to, or allegedly so, Jane or Jenny Cooper would have been
14 years old in 1820 and she 12 (based on the 1850 census). I think we are dealing with two Hawkins or some very badly erroneous birth data..
This is definitely not John Hawkins Womack, as the 1870 census reflects him as 36 years of age, abt 1834 year of birth --
All the men except Hawkins are in the same age grouping born 1775 or before.
I am quite certain the Alexr is Alexander Jr who was born ca 1742. David as his
brother or cousin and the others probable nephews/cousins/sons of David - however William could be his son.
Also in Bedford were:
Henry Wammack: 221111-21-(Sorry got this out of order and not going back to look)!
William Wamack: 221-11/2--1-
(not sure if an abbrev for Joseph or what) looks like
Josi Wammack: 21-2-1/2--2-
Anyway, careful checking of the 1830 and 1840's,and comparing them with this
data, might shed a little light on the matter. So dont anyone be bashful.
I have a George Andrew Womack, as son of said couple, date of death
Feb 20, 1866, Simpson Co MS
Thanks for checking your records and the info!!!
Before I get started, I'll say I have the documentation for what I am about to write. If anyone wants the references, just ask.
I think that the Josiah Womack in the 1820 Census of Bedford Co, TN was a son of either David or Alexander who were sons of the Alexander who left a will in Campbell Co, VA. I have no proof of this, other than the proximity of Josiah to these other Womacks. I believe this is the same Josiah Womack who is in the 1830 and 1840 censuses of Hardeman Co, TN (enumerated as "Joseph" in 1830). I have found Josiah in tax records of Hardeman from 1826 thru 1840. Josiah's name appears in at least two Hardeman deeds, and he was the bondsman for a marriage. I think Josiah was born in the early 1790s, before the family left Campbell Co, VA. The 1830 Census has him as a male 30-39. The 1840 Census has him as a male 50-59, but I think this was a mistake, he was in his 40s. Josiah does not appear in the 1812 tax list of Bedford, which indicates to me he was not yet 21. Josiah was commissioned as an ensign in the militia in Bedford County in 1812, though I have no proof he actually participated in the War of 1812.
I lean more toward Josiah being the son of David, since Josiah had some things in common with Hawkins, who has been identified as a son of David. Josiah and Hawkins both moved to west TN around the same time, probably travelling together, though Hawkins returned to Bedford County. Also, Josiah was associated with the Rogers and Honnell families, and so was Solomon Cooper, Hawkin's brother-in-law.
If you have the time, please read my web page:
It has my theory in a lot more detail.
As far as the numbers in the 1820 Census - see http://www.martygrant.com/gen/refs/1820.htm
The 1820 Census was the only census to have overlapping age categories. For white males, there was a "of 16 and under 18" category, and a "of 16 but under 26" column. This turned out to be a bad idea (and was never done again), as it confused a lot of enumerators, and a lot of researchers today. If the enumerator did his job correctly, any white male who was 16 or 17 would be enumerated in two columns.
In the case of Bedford Co, TN, the census taker got it right. If you look again at the census, you will see that in Hawkins's household, there were 2 persons engaged in agriculture (the 14th column). Since boys typically worked on the farm by age 16, if there were 2 boys 16-18 and 2 men 18-26 in Hawkin's household, you would expect 4 persons engaged in agriculture.
So, it appears Hawkins was 16 or 17 years old in 1820 - old enough to be a household head. No idea who the other people in his household were. The 1830 census shows Hawkins as a male 20-30, and the 1840 census has him as 30-40. The 1850 Census has him as 44, but I think he was 3 or 4 years older. Either that, or there was more than one Hawkins Womack, which I doubt. I think Hawkin's wife, Jane Cooper, was a few years older than shown in the 1850 Census. According to the bio of Solomon Cooper, Jane's brother, the Cooper family left Warren Co, NC and settled in GA in 1805, before moving to Bedord Co, TN in 1811. If these dates are accurate, Jane must have been born prior to the family leaving NC, since the 1850 census indicates she was born in NC.
Hawkins supposedly died in 1854. I looked for his widow in 1860. I could not find a Jane, but I found a few of her married daughters. I could not find Tacy, who was married to William A Philpott by 1860. (Tacy or Tacie was listed as Stacy in 1850.) What I did find is interesting:
1860 TN Bedford, 5 Dist, p.125A, house 789, family 789
William Cooper 85 M W Farmer NC
Polly Cooper 60 F W TN
1860 TN Bedford, 5 Dist, p.125A, house 790, family 790
May Wamack 50 F W Farmer TN
William Womack 20 M W TN
Could May Womack have been Jane "Jennie" Cooper Womack? The age is wrong, as well as the birthplace, and who is William Womack (perhaps a child missed in the 1850 Census). Perhaps her full name was Jane "Jennie" May Cooper. She is living near William Cooper, possibly her father.
In 1870, I found this:
1870 TN Bedford, 5 Dist, p.186A, house 34, family 36
Wormack, Jane 71 F W "keeping house" NC
Boss, Louize (?) 24 F TN
William and Tacie Womack Philpot are enumerated 17 households away, on p.187B, so I'm pretty sure this is Jane Cooper Womack, but she is a few years too old. So in 1860, May Womack was in Dist 5, and in 1870, Jane Womack was in Dist 5. I compared neighbors in both years and many were the same. The enumerators made mistakes every year, but that's not too uncommon. I'm not saying the May Womack in 1860 was Jane, but its something to think about.
Solomon Cooper's will was dated 26 Jun 1876, and names Jane Womack as his sister, so Jane was apparently still living. She may have died before Solomon's will was probated in 1884. There may be probate records in Madison Co, TN that reveal a little more about Hawkin's family, since if Jane died before the will was probated, her share of Solomon's estate would probably have gone to her kids.
I just also went thru the Bedford Co, TN 1820 Census. The census taker wrote his small o like small a, so common surnames like Roberts and Johnson look like "Raberts" and "Jahnsan". He also wrote his capital H close to his capital W. There is a handwritten number in the upper right corner of each page, with about 15 lines to a page. The images at ancestry.com usually have two pages per image. To make it easier to find these people, I have included the ancestry.com image number, the handwritten page number, and the line number in relation to the page. None of these households had slaves or free blacks.
Image 25, page 45, line 6 - Henry Wommack: 22110-10210, 2 in agriculture
Image 30, page 56, line 14 - William Hannah: 221011-20010, 1 in agriculture
Image 32, page 60, line 3 - Jesse Hammock: 210201-20020, 2 in agriculture
Image 40, page 76, line 12 - Michael Wommack: 100201-10111, 2 in agriculture
Image 40, page 76, line 13 - David Wommack: 210001-02112, 2 in agriculture
Image 40, page 76, line 14 - Alexr Wommack: 110010-10111, 1 in agriculture
Image 40, page 76, line 15 - William Wommack: 21003-11201, 2 in agriculture
Image 41, page 77, line 1 - Josiah Wommack: 201101-10200, 1 in agriculture
Image 41, page 77, line 3 - Hawkins Wommack: 102200-10101, 2 in agriculture
The Hammock and Hannah surnames look suspiciously close to Womack, but if you look at how the enumerator wrote his capital H in surnames like Hall, Huffman, and Haynes, you should see these were not Womacks.
This census has been transcribed at GenWeb here:
Also, I made jpeg images of the Womacks on images 40 and 41, which you can see here:
If anyone else has access to the census records via ancestry.com or microfilm, please double-check the above transcription.
Correction for Henry Wommack, I missed a number:
Image 25, page 45, line 6 - Henry Wommack: 221110-10210, 2 in agriculture
Very interesting article here:
Basically, it confirms something I've suspected for quite some time, that the census records kept by the federal government may not be the "originals".
Now if we can only find where Hawkins is buried in Bedford, or the church where his service was held, we may find some dates?? Would be the only conclusive ones we have right or wrong!
On the handwriting - I agree on some of those 1820 Bedfords, the 'W' looked
suspiciously like an 'H'-- I have long suspected those named Homack, Hommack,
Hammock, et al; were misplaced Womacks -
One good example is the AZ Diamondbacks player, Hammack or Hammock - I got a good front facial of him one nite, and can assure you that nose is easily recognizable!! DNA not withstanding, nor handwriting, that fella got some Womack somewhere!!
Jan Womack of England said the name was at one time pronounced with a slight 'h' sound, ie, whummack or something to that effect. Hence, half-literate enumerators could easily mistake that or as in others the 'w' looks like an 'h' -- In England today there are those that spell it Whomack, the only ones I have found with this spelling are in West Yorkshire.
Both Ancestry.com and LDS 1880 census transcriptions have my great-grandfathers name spelled as 'Womsck' -- I have looked at the 'original' image and can assure you that 's' is an 'a'!! On an AR census they have my G-GM listed as Terrie - her name is Carrie (for Caroline).
However the handwriting, spelling, et al; we are dang lucky to have what we do have - try translating original wills from the early 1600's from England!!
Robert, how interested are you in Michael Womack? I was sorting through some files (moving them off of disks onto a CD and a Zip drive) and found some files Cindy Scott had sent me about 8 years ago - mostly Corinth and It's Kinfolks - which is by S. B. Reese. I'd have emailed you this question, but my computer is STILL cranky after Isabell and is STILL not talking to Homestead and is still hiccuping a little. Some serious diagnostics are in order - the iBook laptop is looking better every day (hence moving the info to CDs) Ann
Thanks for the offer of the Reece article, but I've already seen it. It is on the Internet in these two locations:
The article is incredible. Makes you wish every community had someone like that, recording the history of the old families. While I find that very interesting, I am more interested in the evidence that was used to determine that Michael Womack was the son of David (son of Alexander whose will was probated in 1784 in Cambell Co, VA). Likewise for David Womack whose children moved to Scott Co, AR; and for Hawkins Womack of Bedford Co, TN.
When I was in Nashville at the state archives, I looked at a book called something like "Land Genealogy of Bedford Co, TN". The book did not have much on Womacks, and I made the bad assumption this was a complete abstract of early Bedford deed records. I wish I had looked at the actual grantee/grantor indexes (looks like another trip to Nashville). Also, the state of TN may have records of land entries/grants to various Womacks all over the state.
Robert, most records were destroyed in the Bedford Co., Court House fire in 1876, so it makes it real hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt any of our Womack families there. I have never seen anything that proves David's children. There is only circumstantial evidence that points to these children. It wouldn't surprise me if we find a few other children we don't know about. If we find proof it will probably be in some abstract records from surrounding counties piecing it all together. I think the lost Newton C. Womack, may be closely related also, as he named a daughter Tacy and many of his other children follow the naming and migration patterns of Davids family. There is definately lots of work to do on this line. I would like to suggest everyone who has ties to the Bedford Co., Womacks to post anything thay have, perhaps we can piece this together.
See this link:
Although most early records (mariages, wills, etc) for Bedford were destroyed, deed records go back to 1808 and are fairly complete from what I understand. Chancery court records go back to 1830, but I'm not sure how complete they are. Estate disputes were settled in chancery court. Also, if any of the Womacks in Bedford recieved land grants, those are at the state level.
Womack in 1850 Mortality Census of Arkansas
Jackson Co - Warmick, Nancy Jane - 10 F born in IL, died Mar 1850, unknown cause
Womack in 1860 Mortality Census of Arkansas
Marion Co - Wormick, J - 35 M born in AR, died Feb 1860 of typhoid fever
Randolph Co - Wamack, John - 34 M born in LA, died Mar 1860 of "arocipalas"
Scott Co - Womack, James - 29 M born in TN, died Mar 1860 of consumption
Womack in 1870 Mortality Census of Arkansas
Benton Co - Wammack, F E - 2 M born in AR, died Sep 1869 from diarrhea
Sharp Co - Wamach, George W - 4 M born in AR, died Oct 1869 from inflamed brain
Sebastian Co - Wamack, Susan - 35 F born in TX, died Mar 1870 of pneumonia
Sebastian Co - Wamock, Fannie - 10 F born in TX, died Mar 1870 of pneumonia
Johnson Co - Womac, Mary A - 30 F born in AL, died Mar 1870 of pneumonia
Womacks in 1860 Census of Scott Co, AR
1860 AR Scott, Park Twp, PO Cedar Creek, p.708, house 24, family 24
Hannah Wamac 29 F W TN
-Zilpha 9 F W TN
-Adilan 7 F W TN
-Tennssee 4 F W TN
-Johnson 3 M W MO
-George W 3m M W AR
[NOTE: This is Hannah Kilburn Womack, widow of James Wiley Womack, who was in the Mortality Schedule as dying in Scott Co, AR in Mar 1860 of consumption, age 29, born in TN. Hannah's parents, Amos and Zilpha Kilburn were in the preceding household. Hannah's surname badly written, indexed by AIS as "Hannah Nance".]
1860 AR Scott, Park Twp, PO Cedar Creek, p.708, house 25, family 25
A J Wamack 22 M W Farmer TN
[in household of Pinkney Newbern]
1860 AR Scott, Park Twp, PO Cedar Creek, p.709, house 27, family 27
Alex Wammock 22 M W Farmer TN
[in household of C L Hough]
1860 AR Scott, Hickman Twp, PO Waldron, p.817, house 851, family 846
Charles Wommock 26 M W TN
-Sarah 24 F W TN
-James 3 M W TN
-John 2 M W AR
-Mary 2m F W AR
1860 AR Scott, Hickman Twp, PO Waldron, p.817, house 852, family 847
Elizabeth Wommock 52 F W TN
-W R 13 M W TN
Tuesday, September 30, 2003 at 21:08:08 (PDT)
While I appreciate the zeal with which you are pursuing Womacks; what does the latest have to do with the Bedford Bunch? There were a lot of Womacks that went into AR; many related to Michael and those others - great grandson(s) of Alex Jr for instance settled in White County - Near what is now Russell -- But, that is not the issue - we need to keep on the track that was started earlier --The original issue was Josiah, who did he belong to?? that is where the concentration needs be concentrated -- Josiah is not as common a name among Womacks as are William, Richard, John, Thomas, David etc --