December 2002 Message Archive
Sunday, December 01, 2002 at 05:49:10 (PST)

I am looking for womack in Louisiana. My father Melvin Jack Womack died in Rapides Parish in 1960. His father Oscar Womack and Mother Ora (LNU) had 4 boys, Benton, Chester, Huey and Jack. Oscar has family I believe in Monroe, La. I have a younger brother some where in La. that is the son of Melvin Jack Womack and Ella Mae Womack.

Sunday, December 01, 2002 at 07:06:06 (PST)
Barbara Sullivan

The Phebe Womack mentioned in your probate record is about the right time and place for my Phoebe Womack who married Joseph Riddle, Choctaw Indian, about 1845. She had 2 children by Riddle, son Jesse W. and daughter Elizabeth Laura, and the last record I have of Phoebe is on the 1855 San Bois I.T. census where she's listed with a William, Jesse, Joseph and Betsy.
If you have anything further on this family, I'd really appreciate a note. I've been looking for Phoebe for many years.

Many thanks,

Sunday, December 01, 2002 at 08:15:37 (PST)

For those of you looking for American Indian connections
Here is a good place to start

when reviewing the pages of the rolls - caution! Altho within the alphabet, i.e. letter 'W' the names may not be in exact alpha sequence - I did find some Womack/Wommacks - but I have listed them before.


Sunday, December 01, 2002 at 08:42:59 (PST)
Darrel and Judy Womack

I got an e-mail for a Joe D Womack. And told him to go to WGN to post his message for Joe, that is the best chance of finding him. Let's see if we can help.


Sunday, December 01, 2002 at 14:52:01 (PST)
Loren Simmons

any info on Artie N. Womack b.1900, d. 1952-53, buried Ida, LA
married Gertrude Murphy


Sunday, December 01, 2002 at 15:21:39 (PST)
Jack Womack

Jack Flynn, who was searching for Joe D. Womack e mailed me with the info that he had located Joe in the SSDI with the right info for him with his home town ect. Joe was born 1935 abd died in california. Was resident of MN when he went to college before he enlisted as an officer in 1957.


Sunday, December 01, 2002 at 22:54:43 (PST)
Jack Flynn

I'm the person who's looking for a Joe D. Womack who was from New Mexico and attended the University of New Mexico before being commissioned a 2nd Lieutenant in the Marine Corps in 1957. He was probably born in the 1934-36 timeframe. We want to invite him to the reunion for our 4/57 Marine Officers Basic Class. I have a request to the University of New Mexico Alumni Office and am awaiting their response. I found a Joe D. Womack on the Social Security Death Index who was from New Mexico, was born in 1935 and died at Wrightwood, California in 1996. Wrightwood has a population of 3,300 and is located at 6,000 foot level in the mountains northeast of Los Angeles just west of Interstate 15. At, I found a phone listing for Anna Womack in Wrightwood at 760.249.9048 and have been calling it, but it doesn't answer and isn't on recorder. I hope to catch Anna at home sometime soon. She may have been away for the Thanksgiving Holiday. I'll post another message when I find Joe. I really appreciate all the responses that I've had from Womacks. You're really a warm and friendly bunch. If you'd like to know more about my family, go to -- our Flynn Family reunion website. Semper Fidelis, Jack Flynn at and 619.298.5554


Monday, December 02, 2002 at 08:34:00 (PST)
Laurie Dale

Hi to all, I hope that everyone had a good Thanksgiving holiday, we did. I also got an E-mail from a Jack Flynn wanting to know if any of us might know where Joe D. Womacks might be. Have we found Joe Womacks yet? I'll be watching the message board to see if we find him. Thanks.


Wednesday, December 04, 2002 at 08:53:42 (PST)

Thanksgiving good - went to dotters - her mother and third were there as well as her half-bro from her mother's second - all-in-all an interesting day - even got a good laugh at the ex "puttin on the dog" and her nervousness by talking real loud when normal tone would have sufficed - people have a tendency to talk louder when nervous (dang! didnt know I still had that kind of effect!)..

And I still havent found the father of one Alejandro/Alexander Womack, b 1908 in the Benson AZ area; died 1941 and buried Tombstone Cemetery -- he had sister who was born abt 1913 so father died sometime during that time and before 1920 census - mothers name shown as Refugio (which is a male) but as daughter of Alejandro Escalante and a widow -- name should be Refugia -- the father/husband was shown as born in TX -- have been unable to find anyone with a wife of this name and a two year old son on the census for Cochise Co AL - anyone having any info would appreciate -- not my line that I know of yet - but what the heck, gives me something to do--might find something for someone..


Saturday, December 07, 2002 at 03:55:48 (PST)

Thanks for your reply on the Cochise Co Womack problem.

Sunday, December 08, 2002 at 13:54:59 (PST)
Ann McDonald

Well well, this may not be new to some but it was new to me. While I was using a subscription searching for my Italian immigrants - the Italians to America database finally managed to get the era my guys came in - and I definately found one of the brothers, possibly my great-granddad as well - which means I MAY FINALLY know what little town these guys came from!!! -

anyway - since I've paid for a month of this database, I figured, heck search a bunch of stuff - so I searched the English Settlers in Barbados database - and wouldn't you know - one Henry WAMOCKE in 1657 was listed with the creditors and debtors of the estate of William WATTERS of Barbados

Also a Margaret WINNICK marrying in 1678 to a guy with the great name of David Liverheart.

Not much but a little interesting...Ann


Monday, December 09, 2002 at 06:01:55 (PST)

Just a mention of the credit/debit thing; no mention of where he might have been from? That sounds like the one someone mentioned way back that they had found doing business in Barbados but couldnt remember where they found it...

I dont think this fits the Henry of Accomack tho - as David said: "they had no kids born and christened, no marriages, no deaths and no land transactions, nil, nada, etc. Still believe Henry of Accomack the figment of someones well oiled imagination (i.e. a unscrupulous genealogist).


Monday, December 09, 2002 at 14:47:14 (PST)
Ann McDonald

Sam, all I found was the abstract, so it doesn't list any more than who and what. So, WATTERS, William of Bds, planter 16 Sep 1657, RB6/13 p. 191
is the will, mentions a whole bunch of folks, none I recognize off hand; Memo, 17 Nov 1657, apparaisal of estate, then Memo of plantation debtors and creditors mentioning Henry WAMOCKE, and then proved 7 Jane 1657. So, I couldn't say if it says more about him. But, for instance, this William WATTERS wife was one Mary Waters alias MELTON who then married William OWEN. so normally they do mention as much identifying info as possible. Anyway this was Barbados Wills and Administrations, Volume 1, page 375 that has this abstract. Ann


Monday, December 09, 2002 at 18:41:47 (PST)
Roger Womack

Sam, Ann, I don't know if this Henry Womack in Barbados was the same as the Henry of Accomac, we can't seem to track down but in a letter Fannie seemed to think they were. I found this in a letter written by her:

In a letter written by Fannie Mae Doria (deceased) she says; "Larkin (my gggrandfather, her gg) told his children, all Womacks of Virginia were related and had descended from 2 (not 5 or 1) Womack brothers whose families "had died off" so they came to the colonies to make a new start. I wonder if the Womack brothers were William the father of the Henrico Co., Womacks and Henry Womacke who settled on the Eastern Shore (Accomac Co.. Some genealogist of today swear Henry was a Warwick---but this I know, he did business with Wm. Watters a planter in Barbados under the name of Henry Womacke. This Henry was not in VA, apparently, 1624 --- but was at Accomack Co., VA., 9apr1653 when his son George was born".


Monday, December 09, 2002 at 18:55:43 (PST)
Roger Womack

Sam, there may be some truth in all this, but that Henry Womacke, line with all his children with all those perfect dates and families with same. I don't know about you but I don't think I have one of my own family lines in the 1600's with perfect dates for all the children, marriages etc., and to top it off we can't find any descendants of that bunch. Have we ever had a Womack on WGN that claimed that line. But the possibility of a Henry in that time frame sure seems plausible.


Monday, December 09, 2002 at 19:15:27 (PST)

Henry an egnima

David looked, and so have I, there was NO Henry Womack ever in Accomack that had a land transaction, birth, christening, death burial around any times - for that far back the dates are too pat when we have scant on others - fake, fake until someone sends me a scan of a document that has his name in
accomack - no web page stuff the actual document - sorry, this time I stand pat- show me the beef!! And, truthfully I dont think no one living in this world can.


Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 00:41:29 (PST)
Della Gonzales

I have a very simple question. What is the name, location (including address and county/parish, state and city where David Womack buried and once I find that out, is it possible that the keeper of the cemetery would be kind enough to provide me with documentation about who is buried there? Also, does anyone know where Matilda Pryor is buried and is there any documentation other than wills and census on their existence?

I am the gggggranddaughter of David Womack Junior and Sarah Norris,who are the parents of my ggggrandfather, William "Wagontrain to Texas" Buck Womack (with wife Alcy Franklin... on foot?), who (I just learned has a patriot ondown in the Franklin supplement). Buck and Alcy's daughter, Nancy Elizabeth married my gggrandfather William Magee Hutson, and his son, my ggrandfather, Womack Hutson married Fannie Inez Gann (who is also descended from Lt Patriot (Nathian Ignatius Gann) (and who's sons went to Texas with neighbor Davie Crocket). I'm so close... can anyone help me?

Also, just how pickey is the DAR?


Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 07:12:18 (PST)
Judy and Darrel Womack

DAR is very picky. It took over five years to get all the proof I needed. I went to the places where I was stuck, and took pictures of headstones or court records.
As to David and Mildred, I'm trying to get proof of his son Richards marriage to Martha, or concection to AbnerPryor, Richards son. That is all that stops my husband from joining SAR.
They take Bible records, or letters of the time, beside court, or goverment records. Most of the records of that time were burned durning the civil war.
Hope that helps. But do contact a DAR Chapter, and see if they can help. Good Luck.


Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 08:48:11 (PST)

Yes, the DAR is picky; and so picky that they accepted my 4th greatgrandmother as the wife of her husbands first cousin twice removed -- I call their data accurate and picky fer shure!!! I just imagine on judgement day what's gone happen when my grandpa finds his wife was bigamous!! And, with his namesake cuz!!

Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 16:35:24 (PST)
Judy and Darrel Womack


There has been mistakes in some of the files sent to the DAR, and they use them as true files. Our chapter is now telling those that have used great grandmothers bad files to go find the correct files or they can't join.
We had two that were refused because of bad files, even though ggrandmother was a member.(she is now deceased)
They are trying to correct some of the past problems. We all should learn from our past mistakes.
I knew you would pick up on the DAR question Sam, and I'm all for getting the files correct. Hope you got those files corrected so no one else can use them.



Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 18:27:16 (PST)

AND, I will forever question the DAR until they go back in retrospect and purify their records - they have no right dictating until they are 100% tmemselves as the demand from applicants -- all past, if they are to try to control future applications, should be without a blemish!!Sorry, show me the beef! Antiquated system of genealogical so called expertise.


Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 19:12:24 (PST)
Louise Thomas Raifsnider

Iam interested in any information on Martha Jane Thomas WOmack, wife of Francis Marion WOmack. Martha'a brother John Francis THomas was my great grandfather.Any help appreciated.
This is a wonderful webb site. Appreciate all hte hard work put into it.
Louise Thomas Raifsnider


Saturday, December 14, 2002 at 01:28:16 (PST)
Eugene Maddox

See on global search that Wiles and Womack names are linked somehow,would really like to know connection,James Thomas and Clara Wiles were my Grandparents,They lived in Gridley,Ca.for as long as I can remember.Hope someone can give me info on them and their ancesters. Thank you in advance for any help at all!!!


Tuesday, December 17, 2002 at 08:56:48 (PST)
Tracie WoMack Easterling

Just in case some one new is looking!!!

Looking for info on:

Herman Kemph WoMack m Jessie Mae Dixon




Tuesday, December 17, 2002 at 09:05:38 (PST)
Tracie WoMack Easterling

Looking for info on Samuel Womack m. Mollie Harper. Does anyone have any children names for them? I am wondering if Mollie is perhaps the Roxie I can't connect. Thinking Roxie might be a nickname.




Tuesday, December 17, 2002 at 09:09:02 (PST)
Tracie WoMack Easterling


You have Herman Kemph Womack listed in your family records section. He is my grandfather and I am completely unable to find out anything about him. When you have time, could you please let me know where you "picked him up from"?

Thank you very much,

Tracie WoMack Easterling


Tuesday, December 17, 2002 at 13:29:35 (PST)
Whit Ashford

First thanks for all the interesting and great information. Found my great-grand father Raleigh Womack on the 1880 Census. He was one-year old and he was in Bannister, Pittslyvania County, Virginia. His Mother (My great-greater grandmother) was Pheoby and his father Stephen. His brothers were Bob and Hubbard. I can not locate the slaveholders in Bannister and therefore have found it very difficult to trace my folks lineage. If anyone has information on the area, slaveholders in the area, and or any other related information, I would really like to see it. (FYI) For others that my be looking, Raleigh moved to New York (as a young man), near Syracuse...married and had a daughter, they later moved to Cleveland where he died in 1966 at 87 y/o.

Thanks in advance


Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 09:14:08 (PST)
Keith Womack

I have been wondering where we came from. Since I can never get a strait answer I decided to come here. Please I need to know this or I'm going to go


Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 13:46:57 (PST)

If you mean what country? Then the acceptable one at this time is England, with an honorable mention or two from Holland..
Some have sed some brothers came from Scotland; and, that may be true, UP TO A POINT. Many people had problems leaving England; so, they went to Wales, Ireland and Scotland and caught a boat; Hence, the terminology "of" those countries or "from" but not necessarily born there. Some children MAY have been born whilst waiting for passage..was quite hectic back in those times it seems.
There are approximately 87 different versions of the spelling of the last name in England and th US, I have found two close ones in Germany (Wombeck) and one from Poland--Womachka - I have also found Womacks born in Germany; born in France, Denmark(I think)would have to go back a ways in my files to equate them all --
As far as here in the USofA - VA appears to be the jumping off point for the name - unfortunately, the Womacks must have came in as illegal aliens or something as there has been no ships list found with the name on it (that I have found amoung about 1500 from the earliest to around the 1690's).
So, suffice it to say that the English Womack stories, at this time, are the most promising we have...


Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 07:58:19 (PST)
Ann McDonald

Whit, well, this might help slightly. The 1870 census of Pittsylvania Co VA has a Stephen Womack on page 182, with at least one additional Womack family on page 123. Anyway, in 1870, this Stephen was at 24, a farm laborer, and not living with a Womack family, but in someone else's household.
Looking at the VA index, the following Womacks are listed in the Slave Census index for 1860 (not that this means that Stephen was owned by one of these guys, if the slave came from the wife's side of the family then often the slave would use the wife's maiden name, or even farther back. Not to mention that Stephen while from VA may be from another county)
But anyway, 1860 slave schedule Pittsylvania Co., VA Allen W. Womack page 498;
Archer B Womack page 532; J Womack page 515; Martha J Womack page 525;N.P. Womack, page 512; Samuel D Womack page 511;Watson Womack page 530

Now, has the 1860 slave schedules up - but sadly this is one of those counties where the guy actually followed the rules and didn't name the slaves by name. So, you have to check each page and see if anyone had a male slave 14 or so years old. This is assuming that he was a Womack owned slave and not, say a Cole owned slave (which was the largest white family near where he lived in 1870) Using a few minutes here, I don't see a possible in Samuel or Allen's lists. Anyway, so apparently Stephen married between 1860-70 in Pittsylvania Co - which gives you something to look for, and there are Womacks in 1860 to look at - but like I said, the name may come from a few generations back.


Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 12:14:27 (PST)
John William Womack

I am just beginning to search out my family, so please bear with me.

I was born in Winston-Salem, North Carolina on 12/19/49.
My father, John Robert Womack, was born in Jackson County, NC on 5/14/22.
My mother, Margie Alice Beard, was born in Yadkin County, NC on 9/08/19.
My paternal grandfather, William George Womack, was born in Rutherford County, NC (I think) in the late 1800's. He passed away in Buncombe County, NC in 1977.
My paternal grandmother was Bertha Viola Sprinkle. She was born somewhere in western NC, and passed away in Jackson County, NC in 1971.
My father has a sister, Violet Womack Brown, who was also born in Jackson County in the 1920's, and lives in Asheville, NC today.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 13:04:33 (PST)
JoAnn Badstibner

Can anyone tell me if there is going to be a reunion in the year 2003 and where


Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 13:30:34 (PST)
JoAnn Badstibner

I'm looking for those related to Julia Isabella Womack Married to John Anderson Jones Jr with 10 children of Harnett Cty NC


Monday, December 23, 2002 at 13:36:33 (PST)
John Womack

Looking for genealogy or info on my grandfather, John Newton Womack, born Wartrace, Tennessee, 1879


Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 08:39:54 (PST)



Friday, December 27, 2002 at 11:40:12 (PST)
Jack Flynn

I sent an earlier message requesting help in finding Joe D. Womack, a member of our Marine Corps 4/57 Basic Class so that we could invite him to our reunion. I found Joe's widow Sheila in Wrightwood, California by backing in through the Social Security Death Index at There I found a Joe D. Womack who would be about my age that came from New Mexico and died on 15 August 1996 in Wrightwood. I started out my search in Wrightwood, a town of about 3,500, by contacting a real estate office there. They confirmed Joe's death and put me in touch with Sheila. Sheila confirmed that her husband was the person that we were seeking. After leaving the Marine Corps, Joe spent many years as Superintendent of the Wrightwood Middle School and was very highly regarded by the Wrightwood townspeople as an outstanding teacher and fine citizen. Sheila also teaches in the Wrightwood school system and is also very highly regarded. Thanks for your help and I hope that you find all the rest of the Womacks, who my contacts with your family members proved to be a very fine bunch of folks with a very strong family spirit. Semper Fidelis and may God bless you all, Jack Flynn, Major USMC Retired,
4/57 Basic Class Communicator at and 619.298.5554

Friday, December 27, 2002 at 13:15:26 (PST)
Scilla Bunn

Just thought I'd say hullo - I am the daughter of a Womack (Helen) whose family come from (and indeed still live) in South Norfolk in England. We have been there for several hundred years - plainly not an adventurous branch of the family! "My" line is descended from the brother of Bishop Laurence Womack and seem to have been living in south Norfolk since the 1600s (before that they were in central Norfolk - East Dereham).

Jan Womack's article is right, there aren't many Womacks in East Anglia now, but I can tell you, most of my family are still pretty tall people - all my Womack uncles were well over 6 feet tall and all about 14 stone and most of my cousins (male and female) are still on the tall side.

There used to be a little book called The History of the Lophams (now out of print, I believe) which has a photo of a William Wharton Womack which was taken at the beginning of the 20th century who, although not an immediate relative, greatly resembled three of my Womack uncles.

That's it - just thought I'd say hello.

Scilla Bunn

Saturday, December 28, 2002 at 09:09:11 (PST)
Jack Womack

Hey Sam,
Looks like the previous posting would be from a family that might have a male canidate for the DNA test. She states that many of her family are living so there is a possibility of a male Womack donor that would tie the Bishop in and maybe even farther back.


Saturday, December 28, 2002 at 20:20:51 (PST)
Fred Womack

Scilla Bunn,
We purchased "A History of The Lophams" by Michael Friend Serpell at the North Lopham Post Office in 1998. It is well written, with much detail on early and recent Norfolk Womacks.


Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 10:43:10 (PST)

Sent in for that kit, got a response if I wanted and individual or surname - told surname and poss correlation withn Blantons - never heard back, gotta check bank statement, they may have taken my money and ran!!


Monday, December 30, 2002 at 19:55:39 (PST)
Roger Womack

September and October messages have been moved to the archives.
Best wishes for the New Year.


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