August 2002 Message Archive

Mary, Pauline that married Earnest Day, was the daughter of Charles Womack sp Fannie Barton, son of James Anderson Womack sp Martha Gowen, son of Milton Womack sp Locky Grider, son of Jesse Womack sp Delila Blair. Get in touch, I would be glad to share more information on this line with you.

One more stab at it!
William Clinton Womack, b. abt 1866 Meigs Co TN - last known in TX in mid 1880's. Father Samuel M Womack Sr, mother Mary Jane Norman -- Siblings, Thomas A, b. 1863 and Samuel M Jr b. abt 1868...may poss have been in or around Dallas/Ft Worth area with an uncle Lafayette "Fate" Norman who worked at Johnson Station in that area -- was on 1880 census with stepfather Silas Mitchell and mother (in TN).

Looking for:

Jacob and Keziah Womack. Both born in LA.

Their children are:
Rebecca Jacob M
Richard Samuel
John H Daniel
Albert Ellen

All children born in MI

This family is listed in the 1850 Copiah County, MS census. This is where my family is from and I think Samuel may be my great-grandfather as I know his name was Sam. As Jacob and Keziah were born in La and the kids in MI, I think that is why I kept hitting a brick wall by always searching MS.

Thank you,

Tracie

Sorry, the kids names ran together in the previous post.

Looking for:

Jacob and Keziah Womack. Both born in LA.

Their children are:
Rebecca, Jacob M, Richard, Samuel, John H, Daniel, Albert,Ellen

All children born in MI

This family is listed in the 1850 Copiah County, MS census. This is where my family is from and I think Samuel may be my great-grandfather as I know his name was Sam. As Jacob and Keziah were born in La and the kids in MI, I think that is why I kept hitting a brick wall by always searching MS.

Thank you,

Tracie

TRACI,
That MI you founs ia some ignorant transcribers abbreviation for Mississippi, should have been MS - dont look in Michigan for them..

Here are two different URLs wher eyou can go for a proper state abbreviation or a complete listing is printed in Publication 65, which is available at your local post office.

http://www.usps.com/cpim/ftp/pubs/pub201/yourmail.htm#abbr
http://www.usps.com/ncsc/lookups/usps_abbreviations.html

You will note there is no punctuation in any of the abbreviations. It would behoove us all to use these common tools ensuring the GEDCOMs we exchange go smoothly, files merge more easily, and there is no mistaken identity which state is which..notwithstanding the fact it makes a little more space on our harddrives!!

Sam,

I thought it mighty strange that 2 people born in Louisiana, moved to Michigan had a bunch of kids and then moved to Mississippi! The state abreviations they used really messed me up. And I was hoping it was an abbreviation mistake,but I am back on track.

I hope I have not been too much of a pest on here. I just so wanted to get my family tree done for myself and my daughter. My husband's family has a hard bound family tree in print and it is incredible! It seems the more dead ends I hit the more persistant I become.

It is shameful, I know, but I called my father so much the past 2 weeks bugging him for info that he has said for years he just didn't remember. But, it paid off, finally. He is absolutely the last Womack I know and he is my only link to the past.

Anyway, I have enough info now that I am armed birth and death certificates I downloaded from the vital statistics bureau. I know that as they start coming in, they will lead me to more people. And, my father now says he has my grandmother and grandfather's divorce decree, it is from the 30's!!! He has copied it and is sending me the original. Also, he said he would find out if any of my grandfather's sisters are still living. He says he absolutely will not call them, but will let me know how I can contact them. :) My pestering paid off some!

I am still pretty new at this, but Ido some some info the following surnames if it will help anyone. Easterling, Powell, Huff, Pace, Dixon and Mcgee.

Thank you for everyone's patience with my posts.

Tracie

Tracie,

I sent you an email about Jacob & Keziah. Let me know if you didn't receive it.

Hope to hear from you soon!
"The other Tracie Womack" :O)

Tracie,

LOL, is just seems strange to write to another Tracie Womack!

Yes, I did get your e-mail, thank you. After you get settled in from your move, please email me. I am trying to see if I am related to Jacob and Keziah through Samuel.

I have sent requests in the the Vital Records Board, but, they don't call it snail mail for nothing!! In case you don't check the message board regularly, I am going to email this to you also.

P.S. Even if you don't have a family connection to me, it is really cool to "meet" another Tracie Womack!

Tracie

San Angelo Standard-Times Saturday, August 10, 2002

Raymond C. Womack
Raymond C. Womack, 91, of San Angelo passed away Friday August 9, 2002, in San Angelo. Family will receive friends from 3 t0 5 p.m. Sunday, August 12, at Johnson’s Funeral Home. Private graveside service will be in Greenleaf Cemetery in Brownwood.
Raymond was born May 7, 1911, in Wortham to Horace and Ethel Womack. He married Pauline Saylor May 25, 1930, in Lewisville. He owned and operated Raymond Womack Auto Supply from 1945 until 1974. Mr. Womack was a member of the Johnson Street Church of Christ.
He was preceded in death by his wife, Pauline in September 1990; and one sister Merle Birdwell. Survivors are Pauline Womack’s nieces and nephews.
Family requests all memorials to Johnson Street Church of Christ Vision 2000.

Sorry, I forgot to put the state in the previous posting. San Angelo in located in Texas. I have not been able to tie Raymond C. Womack into my data base. Maybe, someone out there can tell me to which line he belongs. I am a descendant of Thomas and Louvisa Rice Womack.
Dave

Dave. Thanks for the obit on Raymond C. Womack. He was the son of Horace R, son of Thomas Watts, son of John B, (aka: John A.) son of John Womack, son of Abraham Womack, spouse Martha Mitchell. This is Richard’s line.

I am trying to gather information about Beneventi Plantation Racing Farm 1840 in the Alberta, Virginia area. Any information you have will be greatly appreciated.

Frances S. Cole

Does anyone have any new news pro or con on the question "Is David Womack (b.abt 1780 in Rutherford Co, NC; m.4 Oct 1809 to Esther Tanner; d. July 1827 or '28 in Union Co Ky) the youngest child of Thomas & Louvisa Womack? Personally, I think he was, but as Sam says "Show me the papers!"

Guess y'all have noticed I have been rather quiet lately, much to all's relief I guess! Been trying to merge and straighten out my Womack files - too many periods in the abbreviations, state initials and so forth and lotsa irrelavent data placed in location fields - then trying to figger out whose whom with 35 dang Williams and numerous Johns, David's, Thomas' etc - you know the problem.
Anyway, if it werent fer all that probably go nuts with nuthin to do -- and trying to do the on line stuff with a 900mhz that is slower than a 166 is the pits!
anyhoo, y'all 'KEEP ON SEARCHIN!"

I am looking for any information anyone may have on the following Womack family listed in the 1860 Jackson County, Alabama census, page 529. I am trying to make a firm connection to our branch of the Womack tree.

Listed in the 1860 Jackson County, AL census:
John Womack, 28, M, Tennessee (d. March 1865, Bryant Cemetery, Jackson Co., AL)
Sarah Womack, 33, F, Tennessee (d. June 1870, Bryant Cemetery, Jackson Co., AL)Jerusha Womack, 13, F, Alabama
John Womack, 7, M, Texas
Josiah, 5, M, Texas (d. 06/22/1918, Bryant Cemetery, Jackson Co., AL)
Jesse, 3, M, Texas
Merideth, 3/12, M, Alabama

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Frances, by racing farm I am assuming we are talking about horse racing? And then we have to break it down to type of horse racing, as the trotting records are quite seperate from the flat races which are seperate from steeplechase, etc. As it happens, if we are talking about flat racing - there are several very good resources for records in that era. The town I live in Maryland has a room in the library devoted to horse (flat) racing, because it was at one point a racing farm and the home of a race track. I know for a fact that our local genealogy library has a book on racing in VA, as Abraham Womack is named in the early chapters in reference to his dispute with someone over a horse race, but that book may be colonial racing only. The Library of VA might well have the same book. As for other records of that era, I'd have to ponder - possibly the stud books go back that far. As for other records it depends on where the horses raced. I can guarantee you I can find records of who won at Churchill Downs in 1900, but who won at a small track in VA might only be found in local newspaper records. I'd have to check to see how far back the stud books go, I've seen them as far back as the 1880s. Hmm, here's a book by Patrick Nisbett Edgar from 1929 which extracts VA horse racing records from an 1830s book by Henry Mason. Hmm, it's looking to me that for specific references you'll want to search a serial publication called American Turf Register and Sporting Magazine- the 1929 book is an index to the pre-1833 volumes - the Library of VA has it on microfilm, for the 1840s, you'll want volumes 11-15 which are on the last 2 rolls of 4. They also have some records of various tracks, like Mt. Vernon and Fairfield - search the Library of VA for horse racing Virginia and see the list that pops up.

We are looking for a male descendant of Thomas and Louvisa Rice Womack who would be willing to do a DNA test to compare with a male Jeremiah Blanton descendant. Proof of lineage is mandatory before testing.
Please respond asap if you qualify and are interested in doing this test. There will be no charge to the Womack participant selected.
Any help in locating such a descendant, will be greatly appreciated.
Thank You
Cathy Blanton

Hi! I would like to have some pictures of the descendants of Robert and Wrizopa Womack, who are my ggg grandparents. If you have any would you please send them to me. I have a pic of Robert and Wrizopa, but none of their children and so on. Or if anyone has any pics of anyone that would be great also.

Thanks,

Melissa

I am trying to find info on 3rd ggrandmother. Mary Wammac born in TN I believe who married a Fleming or Flanary Wade from VA. Their children were Peter (married Nancy Turvey) Anna (married John Turvey) Martha (married a Glick) Adaline, Stephen and there were several other children also. Anna was born in 1860 so Mary is probably 1820-1840 birthdate.

DNA Testing! Cool! Cathy, if you don't mind my asking, what will the comparison with a Blanton descendant prove? Will this be used to knock down the brick wall that has stymied descendants of Thomas & Louvisa all these years?

-Mark

Ok.... I need some help. Cathy is trying to do the DNA test.... well.... it just so happens tht I am a decendant of Thomas and Louvisa. But, I need some documentation to prove it. I have my father's and grandfather's birth certificate, but beyond that.... I need help. By the way.... in answer to Mark's question, I think this may prove that Thomas had a brother named Archee Blanton. Here's my line:
Clyde Womack Jr. - Father
Clyde Womack Sr. - Gfather
James Issac Womack - GGfather
Andrew J. Womack - GGGfather
James Jasper Womack - GGGGfather
Thomas Womack - GGGGGfather
Anderson Womack - GGGGGGfather
Thomas Womack (married to Louvisa) - GGGGGGGfather

I must have the documentation to participate in the DNA testing. This is where I need the help of all of you incredible researchers. If you can help.... please let me know.
Sincerely,
James Womack

Whew! Well, still waiting for the brick wall to bust open on Samuel Womack. I decided to Work on my grandmother's side(Dixon, Cooper, Thetford and more). I have found some family there!!!!

I am really starting to move along. I have about 250 people in my records now. I guess that isn't too bad for someone who started a few months ago.

I need to ask if any of you can reccomend a really good Family Tree program. I am using an old version of Family Treemaker and it is okay, but I am not real pleased with it. I know some of you have been at this for years so if you can recommend a program I would really appreciate it!

Thanks,

Tracie

James,
Hows about laying some dates and places on your Great on back? Would be quite
helpful--

Sam,

Are you the Sam who e-mail me awhile back through Ancestry.com re: surname COOPER? I didn't recognize the e-mail address and didn't get a reply to my reply.

If it was you let know, I just got in a little Cooper info from a distant cousin.

This is an obit for William Henry WOMACK: June 20, 1890 Grant Co., Wisconsin News Paper
His Father was William and Mother was Catherine A WOMACK, Lynchburg, VA Campbell Co.,.
He had 5 brothers and 2 sisters...Joseph P. Womack, James W. Womack, LeRoy Womack, Larkin A. Womack, John H. Womack and his two sisters were Catherine A. B. and Rebecca "Becky" (Womack) Little Hardwick

WOMACK--
At the home of his son William, in the town of Platteville, Wisconsin , Friday
June 20th. William WOMACK Sr.. aged 76 years. The deceased was born in Virginia and had lived in the region of Platteville for 46 years. thice sons and six daughters are living. the funeral; services accured at the house on Saturday, conducted by Rev H.W. Carter.
(Illinois and Iowa papers please copy)

To All:

I know that none I asked had Herman Kemph Womack in their tree. He is my grandfather. I have gotten a picture of him from my dad. If any want a copy for GP or in case he shows up in your tree later, e-mail me and I will send it to you.

Tracie WoMack Easterling

Tracie, I would take a good look at the family of Jacob Moore Womack sp. Eliza Mathews, there first born is John Samuel Womack, he may be your Samuel, father of Herman Kemph Womack. He was born in Hazelhurst, Copiah Co., Mississippi about the right time, October 1872.

Jackie, was that the complete obit on William Henry, thank you for sharing it, I did'nt have that one.

Mark, to answer your question.......my husband is a descendant of Jeremiah and Sarah Womack Blanton of Rutherford Co. N.C. In 2001 he participated in a DNA test with several other lines of Blanton men. The results were a shock to us. My husband did not connect with any of the other Blanton men!!! (you can read about the DNA testing by going to the Blanton Family Historians site) Our first thought was of Rev. Christenberry Lee's article in "Bridges to the Past", a column in a N.C. newspaper, where Rev. Lee tells of Thomas Womack and Ann/Nancy Blanton having 2 sons in England before coming to America and marrying. One son took his mother's surname (Archee Blanton) and the other his father's name (Thomas Womack, who we believe was married to Louvisa Rice). You can read about this story by going to #575 on the Womack Genforum.
A comparison of my husband's DNA with a Thomas Womack descendant will prove/disprove one way or the other if there is any truth to Rev. Lee's tale.
There are those who are interested in doing this DNA test but need help in finding documentation for their lineage. Won't everyone please pitch in and help get the needed documentation for those who ask? If you have access to census information that would be a great way to assist them in obtaining documentation. This may be a once in a lifetime opportunity and the testing date is fast approaching. Thanks for any help that is given.

On the subject of Womack/Blanton
Lets assume that the Reverend Lee's statements are correct. That Thomas and Ann had two sons out of wedlock in England then came here and later married - we would be putting their birth dates somewhere in the 1710-20, or so, range as Thomas married Louvisa was born abt 1743ish--
OK, Thomas and Louvisa had a daughter, Lucinda who married a Cousin of some number, William Womack, son of Abraham and Eliz Stubblefield Womack.
William and Lucinda had a son, Levi B, that married a daughter of Robert and Martha Womack Bean, again cousin/cousin. Martha being the daughter of Ole Major Jake.
How, if the first Thomas was from England, could he be related to those already here for a number of years? Was he someone that was here, went back to England, had a tryst, then came back? Or, was he a shirttail cousin that had had some contact with those here; and, when his and her transgressions were no longer easily overlooked, hightailed it over here and married her?
One of our keys is "one took his father's last name, the other his mother's."
This would indicate, to me at least, the boys were old enough to make a choice in their last names and were not given those names at birth.
I am not trying to shoot down this DNA testing, I think it is a great idea. How many of the Womack researchers have undergone any testing? There are a number of us who know for sure our lines back to the approximate time that the alleged Thomas m. Ann was born - i.e. Children of Richard and Elizabeth Puckett Womack...who just happen to have two known sons and one wild card Roger and I have as a Thomas who just may have had a Thomas Jr...
I am going to order the DNA kit for myself - if Thomas and Archie were brothers, then there has to be some evidence prior to their births that we have not...if the testing now proposed goes well, who knows what will transpire? At least one may tie into an earlier line at some point?

Sam,

I am curious, what is a DNA kit that one can order, where do you order one and how much do they cost?

Thanks,

Tracie

Hi All: I was wondering if there are any books on cemetaries in Harrison, Boone Co.Arkansas.
I believe my G-G-Grand father Francis Marion "Fed" Bowen may have died between 1872 and 1880 in that area. He is not listed in the Newton Co. cemetaries.
Francis Marion was Married to Mahala Emma Womack. "Mahala is also buried in Harrison" from what I've been told. I have as their Children Mary Ellen, Dora, Jane, and twins Sarah and Belle age 7 in the 1880 cencus in Jackson, Newton Co. Arkansas.
Thanks for any help!!!
Evelyn

Sam, I think this DNA stuff is pretty cool also. As far as Thomas Womack, sp Louvisa Rice coming over from England in the 1700's and those families being so close with the other Womacks I find it hard to believe. I suspect that he is just one of those Thomas' we havent identified, or changed his name for some unknown reason, something is amiss there.
Back to this DNA testing. I sure would hate to find out I had a granny back there that was fond of the milk man, sure could mess up my database. I would think you would need a large number of Womacks to do this in order for there to be reasonable accuracy, as just a few may be in the milk man's line. What do some of you others think?

Those that are participating in this DNA testing from Thomas and Louvisa's line are needing to come up with proof of their lineage, census records, birth certificates etc. If anyone come up with them please post here on WGN also. However, all those records will only prove the records exist. The DNA will prove the records are correct.

Well, the one took one name, and the second took the other is often a sign of adultery or at least common law marriage. I've run across both. In particular, if you get a will in which the father says he names his kids with both names like "John Hall called Cash" you have someone who is covering his bases legally. You have to see what the old documents say. I was just reading some for John Terrell and Elizabeth Harrison (my ancestors on that line) and the old boy did leave VA for NC with Elizabeth and kids leaving behind in VA his legal wife Sarah and some kids. Not unremarkably, that line has also been hard at work to figure out which John Terrell this one is, because no one in VA wanted anything to do with him once he left for NC. Fortunately, he and Elizabeth had been called up into court for "visiting" so at least they know more or less where he was from. John's will is replete with the "called Terrell" stuff.

Tracie
They are available from ancestry.com and are about $195.00.
There is also one for American Indian (Native American) DNA testing.

Tracie, Sam, Roger, et al.,
Another source for the DNA kits may be found at . I came across this url at the Blair DNA Project homepage .
If I interpret correctly, basic (12-marker) Y-DNA kits are $99 and the 25-marker Y-DNA kits are $169.
Regards,
jim

TY for the DNA kit info. Also, I would like to know if anyone has a particular Family tree computer program they recommend. Mine doesn't export info, I have to print and scan to send info to others.

Thanks,

Tracie WoMack Easterling

Hey Guys
I agreed to the DNA test in hopes some good verification will come out of it. The Blantons want "Iron Clad" evidence as to a persons linage, and I'm here to tell you as most Womack researchers know the actual records are few and far between. I have spent several hours searching for the proof positive and as Sam would say, "taint easy". Between the Civil War and the old Clapboard Courthouses burning down, we search in vain. Looking back I realize I should have documented my info as I went, now I have thousands of printed records that are not indexed nor are they entered in my PC. With Womack records scarcer than hens teeth to start with, this is becoming a full time chore. Many thanks to those who are trying to help me put it togather.
Jack

Like Jack, I too have had a difficult time getting the "Iron Clad" evidence that I need to participate in the DNA testing. I have family records that go back to my great great grandfather, but that is it. I know that most of the info beyond that came from Roger and Sam. I am currious to know how you guys got the info. Did it come from hearsay, or did you actually see documents? Roger, you actually gave me detailed info all the way back to Thomas and Louvisa. I think that there are a number of us that would LOVE to participate in this testing. However, I do not think.... or rather, I know I can not get the evidence on my own. I haven't the manpower. Someone really good at this should consider starting some kind of archive. (ok Sam.... that last comment may set you off) Thanks for all the help.... and all the interest this has generated! This is really cool!

James
Taint settin me offen one lil ole bit! But, WGN has the archives pages to add plenty plenty of documents -- the best source we have for ole Tom and Lucy is the book Oscar did - I know he put some research in that one - documentation?
perhaps Steve might like to comment on that one - but rest assured, a lot of people contributed to that book -- but Iron Clad - there is no iron clad evidence for even me and my parents - I just assume that since I have a birth cert with their names, and they raised me; they are my parents -- as far as my grandparents go - I was told they were my grandparents and so on -- I can conclusively say that if my father was my father, and my grandfather my grandfather, and my great-greatgrnadfather is my greatgrandfather, I know I can peg my GG-Gf and GGG-GF with court documents -- then from there on back is mostly heresay and assumptions based on proximity and a few extant and insinuating court documents-- Like Jack says, the burn-baby-burn situation in the early 1860's took a lot - as well as lack of care of older records placed in basements that flooded - thrown away by clerks to make room for newer records and so on -- makes iron clad a shallow phrase at best....BUT, we do need to do our best to scan and store all documents we have and can - Roger and Mark, care to be project managers???

Sam
Many things hapen in the later years too. The archives for the armed forces burned in 1973 in St Louis and when I applied to replace a lost DD214 they were lost. Now I could use the medical benifets of the VA for my prescriptions I am up the creek. Sometimes things are said by your old grandparents that you don't remember for years. I recall my grandad talking about his first wifes folks and the name Harris and Knowles came up, through a faint memory of a visit from him in 1936 I was able to find out his first wifes maiden name and from there a lot of facts about my line. It's funny when you are 70 plus you can recall your childhood but can't remember where you put the remote. The little clues you stumble across are sometimes what someone needs. Archive anyone? Heres a tidbit I learned from a Womack who knew him, Oscar B. Womack's B. stands for Black. Prove me wrong and I'll put you in touch with my source.
Jack

Does anyone know of any Womack albinos? I ask because my Grandfather Herman Kemph Womack had 3 children, the 2 first were albinos and my dad was not. I do not which side of the family it runs in.

Thanks,

Tracie

Jack (and anyone else interested)
Go here and read..
http://www.archives.gov/facilities/mo/st_louis/military_personnel_records/fire_1973.html
http://www.archives.gov/facilities/mo/st_louis/military_personnel_records/alternate_record_sources.html

It might not be as bad as you think!!

Also, for prescription assistance try this for info
www.themedicineprogram.com

My name is Jonelle Richardson The Richardsons married into the Thomas and Louvisa Womack. my neighbor was a Blanton and they married into the womacks I would like to join your groupe thanks Jonelle and Mary Blanton Mauldin

I just got news last night that my grandfather has a family Bible that he believes belonged to his grandfather Andrew J. Womack son of James Jasper Womack. I am going to look at it this weekend.Why am I posting this message? I don't know..... I guess I am just pretty darn excited.
James

I need to hear back from Dawn (Voelkel) Womack email: womack@midwest.net, this address is no longer working. I think I have discovered who her Steinbeck Womack is. Get in touch.

Tracie, I have never heard of albinism in any other Womack Families, but that doesn't mean there not out there. The chances of someone being an albino are about 1 in 17,000 and both parents have to carry the gene, if both do carry the gene the odds are 1 in 4 of having albino children, so having 2 out of 3 children with albinism is just plain bad luck. You probably carry the gene but unless your husband does also it's impossible for you to have albino children. Usually albinos have vision problems, do you know if this is the case in your fathers siblings.

James!
Good Show!
AND, in your excitement try to get photocopies of the pages??

Roger, Sam
I was informed today that I was selected to do the DNA testing. Am hoping something will come of this concerning Thomas. It was a long hard task to dig up all the documentation on my line. I received a copy of Rev. Christberry Lee's reminiscences that certainly lends some credibility to some of the claims I have seen published in some genealogies. One, John Thomas womack instead of Thomas Womack being the name of my progenitor. Could be some truth in this I know because I have found many cases where a name was shortened or people went by their middle name when their fathers given name was the same as theirs. My gr gr grandfather William W. Womack was nick named Big Billy and went by the name of Bill. I am seeking permission to put the Rev. Lee thimg on the WGN but if I can't due to the copyright I'll make it available through my E Mail to anyone for their personal research, gotta keep my nose clean.
Jack

Roger, Sam
Sorry for the mistake in the previous post. My Gr Gr Grandfather William Big Billy Womacks middle initial should have been M instead of W. I believe the M was for Marion. That assump-tion is based on the fact that the Marion name is carried through very many of Thomass descendant families.
Jack

Saturday, August 31, 2002 at 16:41:05 (PDT)
Sam
samsawadee@cgmailbox.com

Jack,
I'm still trying to find out my great-greats middle name, an 'M' also.
Mansell, Marion, Martin, Massanello or Minton..

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