June 2002 Message Archive

I have recently started looking for my Wamack/Womack ancestors. The farthest I've been able to go back is with James Wiley Womack born in TN about 1830's. (I do know his mother's name is Elizabeth born abt. 1805) (And possibly a brother named Charley) His wife Hannah Kilburn (Womack) Their children:

Zilpha Womack born 1852- Scott County, AR

Andrew Johnson Womack born 1857 - Sprinfield MO--- my great grandfather

Dilthia Tennessee Womack born 1855-- Memphis, TN

Adelaide Womack

George Wiley Womack

James Wiley Womack died abt 1859 or 1860 with consumption..at only 29 years old in Scott County, AR

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Karen, I think we have pretty much determined that James Wiley Womack was the son of David Jr. sp Elizabeth. Recently recieved some information that needs sourced concerning Elizabeth:
(MARION CO., AR. INFORMATION
Pioneer Abram Wood had a sister, Katie, that married David Womack. It is said that Womack built the first residence on upper Fallen Ash; the place usually known as the Joe Rowden place, near the Noe graveyard. Womack was living there in 1830. Afterward, the family moved to what is now known as the Hull bottom on White river.
Could Katie be Elizabeth wife of David? RGW)

Although as far as I understand this is Richard's line, b.1655, My line is from his older brother Abraham b 1644. This line is interesting to me because James Wiley Womacks children married into my Sessions line in Scott Co., Arkansas. Elizabeth Zilpha Womack, married Robert E. Sessions. Delthea Tennessee O. Womack, married John Francis Sessions, their sister Eliza Jane Sessions (my gggrandmother) married David Ausmus they had Rachael Mary Ausmus, who married George Farris Womack, (my ggrandfather). Get in touch.

Karen, you posted: Adelaide Womack and George Wiley Womack, as children of James Wiley Womack, I didn't have these children of James, where did you find them?

We are trying to research the WOMACKS (womacks with the "S") family tree.. if anyone knows anyone with info on this part of the family tree.. we do know we are descendants of William Womack and Mary Allen.... but more recently Terry Womacks (the first to add the "S") and Peter Shaw... Evans Chase... and Lewis William and Clifford Womacks...on down the line. Thank you...

Hello. I am trying to find information anyone might have regarding the Womack family that lived in Decatur, GA in recent times. The most recent and only family name I have is that of Mary Katherine Womack. She died about five years ago. I believe that her mother’s name was Virginia and I know that she also had a son named Daniel. I also know that her family lived in the area at least 40 years or more. If anyone has information regarding this branch of the Womack’s I would greatly appreciate your assistance. Thank you in advance for any help you can provide.

Rog
Do you think that the Farris name on your GGF slipped in because of Freeman Farris who married one of the Womack gals in TN??

Sam, I don't know, my George Farris Womack was born 1880 in Coffee Co., Tennessee, there was no other Farris' in my line. George had a son he named George Farris Jr., but he was poisoned and died while spraying cotton at 23 years of age.

Looking for info of family of Jack Henry Womack married to Eva Mae O'Neil of Lubback Texas(Grandparents) 12/9/1910 to 7/5/1996. He was the son of Dr.Womack of Waco, Texas (McLenan County) Any informationwould be appreciated. Family was very oriented to Grandmothers side of the family and not much is known of Grandfathers side.

Thanks,,,,Scott Womack Green Bay, Wisconsin

Sam and folks. One of the references I never could check out was one I understood but never could get a satisfactory response about. It's the famous "XVIIth Cent. Applic." (or variations) "source". Sometimes it's "XVIII". The allegation is that this is the source for William Womack born 1620 being a 17th Century Colonial Virginia landholder. Anyway most of the innocents who cite it don't even know what "XVII" etc. means. What it means is this: someone applied for membership to the National Society of Colonial Dames of America. (For some time I have had the name and number of the (1957) application which most people are referring to without knowing what they are doing.) For privacy reasons I am not giving the name/number of the application. Today I spoke with a genealogist at the Society. What he said was, basically, "Forget it". He was familiar with the Womacks and 17th century Henrico records and said in the known records there was no such reference to a William as landowner at the right time. Many of us who have done the same digging know that to be true. The Society long ago gave up on this and other old badly researched allegations.

David, thank you, glad I don't have to worry about that reference anymore.
All I'm sure of is someone had some kids there in Henrico Co. And we all pretty much descend from them.

Here's another reference I have never been able to get: Dempsey Kemp's "Womack Genealogy". Does anybody have a postable copy? David.

Roger. You're right. The "Henrico 5" (Abraham, Richard, John, William, Thomas) as I think of them, had parents/ancestors. One of these days we'll find them!

Revolutionary War Service. When in DC recently at DAR and LOC did some poking around about Womack Revolutionary War service. Just thought I'd summarize what I found. JESSE was a soldier in the Georgia Continental line. ABRAHAM was a patriot with service (Magistrate)in GA. DAVID was a patriot with service (provided supplies, caught a deserter)in NC. These first three are the sons of Richard III. A second DAVID was a soldier in an unknown VA Continental unit (he shows up only as having been paid). A third DAVID was in the 3rd Georgia Continental Line and deserted in Virginia. A second ABRAHAM who died 1834 in Monroe Co. GA had a pension and was awarded land as a veteran in the 1827 Lottery. A WILLIAM of Effingham Co. GA also got land as a veteran in the 1827 Lottery. A FRE_ERICK Wommach (sic)was listed as attending a Burke Co. GA Council of War. And finally there was a Daniel listed as deceased 1777 a member of the Georgia Light Horse. Of course there were others I didn't come across (e.g. Jacob, Massanello) but I thought I'd mention these for interest. Can provide sources if anyone wants.

in search of relatives of nancy harris wommack b; 7-27- 1830 white co, tn. d: 1918 wilson co, tn. married robert davis 1-25-1849 white co, tn. ch: william c, melinda caroline. hezikiah, jerimiah, frances, robert p. would love to find any family ! sincerly, barbara davis

PS. Where in blue blazes did the name Massanello come from?

David,
In response to your query about the origin of the name Massanello.
jim

In 'Common Sense'. Thomas Paine wrote: 'If we omit [a constitution] now,
some, [2] Massanello may hereafter arise, who laying hold of popular
disquietudes, may collect together the desperate and discontented, and by
assuming to themselves the powers of government, may sweep away the liberties of the continent like a deluge.' [That gentleman did have a way with words! -- jg]

His footnote reads as follows:

Note 2 Thomas Anello, otherwise Massanello, a fisherman of Naples, who after spiriting up his countrymen in the public market place, against the oppression of the Spaniards, to whom the place was then subject, prompted them to revolt, and in the space of a day became king.

Y'know, referencing the Henrico 5, perhaps that old tale of three brothers who came from somewhere may hold some water - and we are looking in the wrong place for their parent(s). Perhaps, just perhaps, these were the immigrant ancestors - not the elusive and mostly non existent William and Mary Jane!
I am beginning to believe we are looking on the wrong side of the pond.

Sam, it's no more fun having the three brothers travel over than having one unknown immigrant! LOL! On one of my other lines, we literally have this problem - 3 brothers out of a family of about 10 came from England to colonial VA. One died leaving no children, but leaving a will, the other two both left children - and each brother named the kids with the same names. This is the Terrell family if anyone cares. Fortunately, on the other side of the pond, they managed to leave copious documentation of their lives and travels - however, to this day, no one knows which kid belongs to which brother. Actually, the problem is there seems to be no documentation of a Womack of any sort arriving in colonial VA. They just appear. You'd think with the old 3 brothers story at least one of them would show up in a document arriving someplace. Of course, many of those early ships have no rosters, but still it is annoying. But you'd think that since they were worth, what, 40 acres, to the person sponsoring them, they'd get listed someplace by someone for coming over. My father used to joke that maybe they were already here and were Pot-o-Womacks from the Pot-o-Womack River. LOL!

Sam, Ann and all. You may be right Sam. The Henrico 5 may themselves have been the immigrants. But I still think there is something in Ann's construct of two Williams in the 1670's. Anyway it is mysterious that none of them ever turn up as anybody's headright - not even their own as I recall. (Right?) Been going over my Jean Stephenson papers and remembering that she suspected Henry the Rector of Fersfield and later Ellingham Magna and Attleborough as the grandparent of the Henrico 5. He had 4 sons all of whom could be grandparents (posibly parents) of the 5. Henry's brothers William Thomas George and Lawrence all had children and two of those, at least had children. So there are lots of possibilities in that Norfolk family. I know of 3 men - that Henry son of Hugh, Robert son of William son of Hugh, and Arthur son of Lawrence son of Hugh, whose wills are in the Norfolk Record Office. Monday I will call them (NRO) in another attempt to get copies. That may take us somewhere; on the other hand it may not and previous attempts to get a response from NRO have gone nowhere.

Ann,

Re: My father used to joke that maybe they were already here and were Pot-o-Womacks from the Pot-o-Womack River. LOL!

Joke or not, the same thought crossed my mind after reading from the work cited below.

From "New River Notes" website.
© 2000, Jeffrey C. Weaver, Arlington, VA
http://ls.net/~newriver/va/cridlin1.htm

"A History of Colonial Virginia: The First Permanent Colony in America"

by William Broaddus Cridlin, Secrety of the Virginia Historical Pageant Association; Registrar Virginia Society of Sons of the American Revolution
Printed by Williams Printing Company, Richmond, Virginia, 1922

Of particular interest concerning the surname Womack, Chapters 3, 10, & 11.

Or do a search at this website page for the words:

Patawomeck
Potowmacks
Potowmacks
Patowomacks

I have found Mr. Weaver's "New River Notes" to have a wealth of information covering genealogy, history and much more.

Doris Womack Cox

The Potomac story brings back something I once heard or read, that the peninsula where the Potomac runs into the Atlantic (Southern one) used to belong to the Womacks and there was still some plantation or land there under control of the Womacks - whether, truth, fiction or wishful thinking dont know.
By the way did they have innertubes back then; and was illegal immigration not enforced??? LOL

Here's another reference I never have found: "Baker, Womack and other kin" by Martha McDaniel Thompson. Anyone have it? David.

I found this on Amazon - availability limited:
The Bean tree : Robert Bean and Martha Womack and their descendants, 1764-1985
by Estelee Beane Rankin
Might shed some light on ole Maj Jake??

Sam. I've seen that Potomac thing - and the Pocahantas thing to which I think it's connected. More fiction akin to the Duck of Albemarle. David.

David, I have a copy of Baker, Womack and Other Kin published 1n 1977 by Martha McDaniel Thompson. I don't think it has any info, that hasn't appeared in some form on the WGN network. Some of the info may be questionable, but what is it you age looking for? Bob Reese

Bob. Thanks. For a start, does it say anything about the supposed William the Immigrant? Second, does it discuss Richard III and his wife Ann (Nancy) Childers and their kids? David.

David, Quoting the first two paragraphs, "The ancestor of most if not all Womacks in the United States today, regardless of spelling of name is believed to be William Womack, born about 1600 (by 1625 for sure)presumably in England, who came to Henrico County, Virginia between 1640 and 1673."

"The children of the immigrant, William Womack, are believed to be William, Abraham, Richard, Thomas, John and Mary and possibly Ann and Jane. Information on some of these children obtained from Womack Genealogy, Volume 1 thru 4, and from corespondents is:"

She goes on to list the descendants through several generations. About eleven typewritten pages ar devoted to the Womack line.

Re. Richard Womack I she shows him b. abt 1653, d. Martin Brandon Parish, Prince George Co., VA 1684. On March 15 1672/3 he was granted 450 acres in Henrico co., VA for the transport of 9 persons into the colony In 1673 and 1683 he and others were granted additionl land for the transportation of persons into the colony. His children are shown as Richard b. abt 1676 d. 1723 m. Elizabeth Puckett, William, and Elizabeth. This is as far as she takes this branch.

If you need anything else, let me know.

Bob Reese

Bob. Thanks again. Actually it was Richard III I was interested in. By the way, folks, I have on other fora been searching for authenticated ancestry for other folks in my Womack tree - John Puckett father-in-law of Richard I, and Abraham Childers great grandfather of Ann (Nancy) Childers. Do any of you have such? David.

David
go here and look
http://members.aol.com/RKElliott/gene.htm

Just remember, sometime long ago in a far and distant galaxy, a Womack stood. He thought it was time to move on and populate other worlds - so he came to this planet and seeded it with his genes--
Then in the early 1600's, another saw that what his ancestor had done was good.
So he came to America and started the American saga of the Womack Family..one also related to the others of this planet.
So is solved how we have an immigrant ancestor we have not the foggiest idea of whence and where he came!!

Sam. Thanks for the lead. That's a nice site of Mr. Elliott. He doesn't show any ancestry for John Puckett and Ann (Jeffreys?). I have seen lots of claims for such ancestry on other sites but never found a one with any evidence. On the other hand when following up I have found a lot of cranky people who get angry when you ask for their sources. The same sort of people as believe in the Duck of Albemarle and Charles Augustus Womack. Came across some recently who believe there is an English County called "Corset". But I keep following up every lead. Some day one may actually lead somewhere. David.

David
Welkum!
What we really need is a big boost from the other side of the pond. Jan has been a great help, but she cannot do it all -- there has to be others over there that have info or are willing to share theirs -- we just have to find them....

DAVID
From the what it's worth department, the brit IGI
John Puckett Compact Disc #20 Pin #407737
Birth: abt 1624 Place: Dorchester, Oxford, Oxfordshire, England
Death: 1 Aug 1677 Place: Henrico, Virginia
Burial: UNKNOWN Place: ?
Parents:
Father: Henry Puckett Disc #20 Pin #407963
Mother: Ann Nin Disc #20 Pin #407964
Marriage(s):
Spouse: Ann Jeffreys Disc #20 Pin #407738
Marriage: 1649 Place: Henrico, Virginia
Other years of birth range from 1616 to 1620/25, etc
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Henry Puckett Compact Disc #20 Pin #407963
Event(s):
Birth: abt 1590 Place: Dorchester, England
Death: 1679 Place: Henrico, Virginia
Parents: (none given nor found)
Marriage(s):
Spouse: Ann Nin Disc #20 Pin #407964
Marriage: 1610 Place: Dorchester, England?

Anyone got any idea who this young lady belongs to, parentwise?

St John's Church, Henrico Co, VA
Tim HARRIS to Eliza WOMACK, March 15th.(1697)

Sam& Others:
For what it is worth,Womack Register gives Richard Womack I as father of Elizabeth Womack who married Tim Harris in 1697. Try
Bob

Sam: I'm sorry I gave a commercial site. Try this: Bob

Bob???

URL??? Did I miss sumpin'??

Sam: I have egg all over my face. Womack Register gives Richard I as father of Elizabeth Womack who married Tim Harris Jan 1697. Bob

Out of curiousity, has anyone laid eyes upon the Womack of Mautby and Womack of Lopham pedigrees that are in the Norfolk (UK) genealogy society library? And has anyone placed hands upon the 11 volume History of Norfolk by Francis Blomefield - which is about 200 years old and quite rare and expensive? Ann

HENRY WOMACK AND LEILA DUKES OF JASPER/NEWTON COUNTIES GEORGIA

Searching for the Parents and siblings of Henry Womack born either in 1870 or about 1876. He married Leila Dukes of Jasper County Georgia. Their children were Lizzie, Sam, John, Henry Lee, Corry, Georgia, Mary Louise, Millie G., Ella Jane, and Roscoe. Henry and Leila Womack were listed in the 1900 and 1910 Newton County census.

I believe that Henry had a brother named James Edward (possibly William James Edward) Womack that was married to Florence Dukes (sister to Henry's wife,Leila.)

Any information on Henry and Leila Womack will be very helpful!

Thanks so much!! Dawn

I have been doing some looking for my Jaensch ancestors and happened across the Womack site. I sent some information on to Roger Womack as to my Grandfather Jacob Womack here in Oregon, espesially Womacks in the Wallowa, Oregon area. I was happily surprised at the information Roger has supplied me. I have some happy people in my family. We didn't know a lot about Jacob Womacks family, but we do now.

Thank You Roger

Gary Jaensch

Ann. Reference "Womack of Mautby" and "Womack of Lopham". I have both, but could have sworn they were on this site, but can't find them tonight! Where are they Webmaster? I have consulted the Blomefield volumes many times in NEHGS and LOC. Lots of stuff much of which I have posted here but no final solution. Mostly things posted elsewhere but good confirmation. As you may know he was actually a relative by marriage to the Norfolk Womacks but after the emigration would have occurred.

Ann. The "he" relation by marriage I referred to was Francis Blomefield. DD

David, I thought they'd been searched, just checking those off my list of things to look at. I was almost postitive I'd seen the Mautby pedigree - I thought Jan had sent it over - but the History of Norfolk threw me, as I knew about the author being related, but didn't ring a bell as to what the heck was in it. As you can probably tell, I was back searching UK sites for info. Found more info in the 1800s, which is not particularly helpful, but ate up computer time checking each entry to find the dates.

Speaking of which I now have a list of researchers that can be hired to search in either the local history library or the NRO, but wouldn't you know, have lost the exact URL of the site that had the precise info on those wills that we wanted! ACK! Enough for this weekend. I think I'll go quietly away and see if I can troll among the Mitchell family for info for a while, just to get my mind off of Womacks.

David. Those are on my womacknet.net site. I will link them on the next WGN update. I,ve been busy with work lately and haven't been checking the messages as often as I should, sorry!!
http://www.womacknet.net/records.htm

Ann,
The brits are here: www.womackonline.co.uk

Ann
Go here and look around

http://www.fiske.clara.net/EngGenWeb/Norfolk.htm

There are related links to the rest off the Brit Isles, GENUKI etc

Obit from todays Phoenix Paper, Arizona Republic(extract)(Jun 18 2002)

Chad Andrew Womack of San Diego CA
Born Jul 3, 1979, died June 11, 2002 of injuries sustained in
dirt bike accident in Mexico.
Survivors (All of Phoenix):
Mother: Barbara Womack
Father/Step Mother: Mark and Monica Womack
Sister: Lindsay; Brother: Christopher
Grandmothers: Doris Rohling and Maureen Womack

Sam, thanks for the info on Chad's obit. He was the son of Mark David Womack, son of Andrew Jackson Womack. Andrew Jackson Womack, was a Building Contractor in Phoenix then was a rodeo clown for over 20 years. This is Michael Womack, sp Sarah Jones descendants.
Our condolences to the family.

conswella jones born june26,1974 mother name carol,vaughan,father,alfred jones she was born in milwalkee wisconsin,her aunts name marget,emmerly,betty vaughan,her uncle name,daniel,bobby vaughan,and betty pietrowiak,please get intouch with your sisters ,marilyn have passed carolyn is very sick also,janet and joyce have cancer your daddy is very ill,we had to move him to memphis please let us hear from you ,i know that things was bad but it,s all reiht please dont cut your other family off from you please forgive. phone 901 9474703 3464776 7892407aj jr, carolyn, mary jones ,janet jones

Rog
Welcome, that is Tims nephew

Any one got any idea who this is?
Womack Alexander R. 1908 1941
Tombstone Cemetery Cochise Co AZ

Or the Mr Womack who was killed in 1902 in the Yuma Area?

Sam, I think that is Alexander Roosevelt Womack, sp Juanita Mandriquez , son of David Robert Womack, sp Refugia Escalante. Alexander Roosevelt has a son named Alexander Robert Womack and grandson named Alexander Raymond Womack. Alexander Robert was born in Benson, Arizona and was married in Tucson. I haven't made the connections on David's ancestors, if anyone has this line let us know.

Hello, I'm new here and I have been looking for some mention of my side of the familly and can't seem to find one. My side came out of Pactolis,(spelling?) Kentucky. I think the one that setteled there was Moses Tignal Womack. He had sons named James, Archer, and I cannot think of the rest at the present. They came there from Virginia. Pactolis is close to Grason. I'm the last of my line and I would like to know some more about them. I have a tree tghat goes back to Moses Tignal, but I would like to know where it goes back to from there. I'd appreciate any help you could through my way.

Thanks
Bill

Bill, Moses Tignal was the son of William Womack, sp.Jacintha Kibbey. Welcome to WGN. I think there is a couple of folks searching this line. I would be glad to share what I have. Get in touch.

Hello everyone! I am a new visitor to this site and what a great site it is! First I would like to apologize for the lengthy and probably confusing post, as I am very tired at the moment.... I am currently working on my husbands Womack line and have a VERY SPECIAL INQUIRY for my husband's 80 year old grandfather Carl Womack. I recieved an email from a distant cousin of his, I sent her "our" family tree and then she called me the other day and said that "we" were related to Roy Rogers. I asked her how, and she told me to check out the Womack website. (Not sure if this is the right one??) When I mentioned this to our grandfather he was soo excited... Just a few days ago his girlfriend of over 20+ years was diagnosed with liver cancer and is not expected to live very much longer. :( Needless to say he's (we all) have been down in the dumps lately. But he's really interested in whether or not I've found out whether or not he is related to Roy Rogers. I've been on this computer for nearly 5 hours straight now, and it's now 1am in the morning and I haven't found Roy Rogers name yet. :( If anyone has anything on Roy Rogers connection to the Womack line please let me know, hopefully I have enough info. to make a definate connection. I do not jump into something like this so quickly, but under the circumstances here, I can't help but do so.
Thanks in advance and God Bless
His line goes back to a Francis Hancock b.May 26, 1815 in Womack Hill, AL whom died 1875 in Montgomery, TX.

Jeffrey,
Go here for Roy

http://www.womacknet.com/features/royrogers.html

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Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 08:17:38 (PDT)
Allen Roy Wammack
allenr@hcnews.com

Correction: Under the Descendants of James Wammack(John (5) Womack, Jr, John (4), William (3), John (2), William (1)) B 1795 in Moore Co North Carlonia and died abt 1865 in Webster Co. Missouri. Among his descendents number 80 listed as Maude Agnes Wammack b 1892 SAge, Izard Co AR and died 1 Dec 1968 Waco, TX. Her seventh child is really her fifth. (203) William (Bill) Jewel Gaither was born 1924 (not 1930) and was killed on Iwo Jima 6 Mar 1945 as a United States Marine. Correct birth day provided bt his brother T.E. Gaither.
Also, (83) Roy Wammack, my father, year of death is 3 Nov 1983. FYI

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