April 2002 Message Archive

I am looking for information on Mary Jame Wommack. I have no dates on her. Here is what I know. My gg grandfather Isaac Bledsoe B1826 Or 1836 had a wife named Susan, last name unknown also a wife named Mary Jane Wommack. The marriage date of 1856 is the same period for both. We know relatives that spoke of Mary Jane, but all recorded records support Susan as his wife. Does Mary Jane Wommack exist? I came across your site by accident and thought someone here might know something about Mary Jane. Any information would be greatly appriciated. Donna

Have you ever had a direct descendant of someone you're researching send you their list of children for who you thought were your ancestor's parents - and your person you worked so hard to find records on isn't there? That's what happened with my Millie Emaline Womack born abt. 1856 in Cadiz, Trigg Co KY. DDoes anyone have her listed as being the eldest child of Joseph Alexander Womack and Mary Ann Grogan? Araetta Frances, Lavina, Sarah (Nell) Caroline, John C and Pearl Henry were the accepted five children. Anyone able to help? Millie married 9 Jan 1868 to Francis Marion "Frank" Ladd in Christian County KY"in the house of" J.A. Womack while M.A. Womack was the other witness. Anyone have an 1860 cenus CD for Trigg county? If not - I'll risk life and limb by driving the 4 lane freeway into San Diego to the Family History Center and hopefully find her there with Joseph Alexander and Mary.

I am desperatley seeking information on the singer Merle Womack. He authored a book called "Tested by Fire". Most importantly he was a great singer of spirtual music. My wife is trying to find anyone or anyplace that can help us find copies of the albums he recorded. We would really appreciate any info one way or the other. We use to have a couple of his albums some years ago but can't find them anymore. His voice was incredible

We hope to hear from someone

Bob & Merrilee Fisher

Donna, who you have there sounds like Isaac Bledsoe of Oklahoma, but it might well be the one in TX. Hard to say right now. There were a lot of Isaac Bledsoes. As far as I know, Isaac of OK was born in 1826 or so in Tennessee, probably Washington Co., TN, and died in Short Mountain OK, but I don't know the year. I think his wife was a Sarah, not a Mary Jane. However, his son, Isaac JR, may have married a Mary Jane Womack as a first wife before he married Susannah Johnson - that would have been in Christian Co., MO. That's fairly confused. The only reason I have this note, BTW, is that I'm descended from the Bledsoes on another branch, and have nothing to do with this particular set of Womacks. Try emailing Tracey Bacon at Tracey@chartertn.net and see if she can give you more details or at least a closer related Bledsoe to ask. I'm thinking here that you need to do some census work, though. Ann

In researching my ggggrandfather, Larkin Womack, b. 5 Oct 1785, I have never found another Larkin born prior to that date. Most are born after 1820.

Recently, I found a Larkin Womack mentioned on a web page

(http://www.combs-families.org/combs/records/tn/jack.htm)

targeting a couple of families in Jackson Co., TN: "MINE LICK CREEK (empties into Center Hill Lake in Dekalb Co., flows southwest from Putnam Co)"...

"(28/85/9649) 1812 Dec 11 William RIDGE 30 acres on Mine Creek to include improvement made by Hubbard BREWER; LARKIN WOMACK, Loc. (Note: Loc. is an abbreviation according to the author for Locator, which means in this case 'neighborhood')."

"(30/9/14534) 1815 Feb 18 William RIDGE 12 acres waters of Mine Lick Creek to include improvement where SALLY WOMACK used to live."

Apparently these are references to land deeds. There is a possibility the Larkin Womack mentioned here is my grandfather. He is next found in or near St. Louis, MO where he married Frances Basye Quick ca. 1815.

Also, I found on the same page:

"(30/9/14535) 1815 Feb 18 William RIDGE 6 acres waters of Indian Creek adjoining DAVID WOMACK's field to include WOMACK's improvement."

"WILLIAM Ridge: There are three more references, same area, mentions Sally WOMACK and David WOMACK'S field to include WOMACKS improvements. 18 Feb 1815."

I thought at first that David Womack might be the son of David, Sr. and Mildred Pryor, and Sally Womack might be his wife, Sarah Norris, as I found several Norris names mentioned on the web page. But, it looks as if David and Sarah Norris Womack migrated from NC to LA and then back to MS.

It is really difficult to tell what county in TN these parcels of land are located. Here's what the author has to say about county and state lines: "Jackson County, Tennessee was formed from Smith County, Tennessee in 1801, the latter established in 1799 from Sumner County, Tennessee, one of the original Middle TN Counties. County and State Lines were often fluid over the years, and Jackson one of the most fluid since it was adjacent to Monroe Co, Kentucky (See Below), Indian Lands, and the Military Reservation (land reserved for NC Rev. War Soldiers)."

I have found no other reference to Larkin Womack in TN, with the exception of one Larkin Womack born 1869 in Dekalb Co., TN, and I am not so quick to discount the possibility of a relationship because it is mentioned on the above referenced web page that 'Mine Lick Creek flows into Center Hill Lake in Dekalb Co., TN.' Center Hill Lake is SW of Cookeville, TN. Also Dekalb Co. is due North of McMinnville, which is Warren Co., opening another "can of worms".

Does anyone have anything in their data base on David Womack and Sally Womack of Jackson Co., TN?

Hi fellow Womacks, Our listing on http://www.goldinc.com/~hamzig has been deleted, as we now have it listed on our worldnet line. (see above)
Regards, Hamilton

Chapman Womack, son of Abner and Agness Womack, married Nancy Moore. Chapman and Nancy Womack had a son, Alexander born abt 1840 in Kentucky. I believe that this Alexander Womack and Joseph Alexander Womack who married Mary Ann M. Grogan in Christian County, Kentucky in 1857 are one in the same. Does anyone have any information on the children of Chapman and Nancy Womack?

Well, I think you'll find Chapman Womack indexed as Chapman Womach, in Logan Co., KY in the 1850 census, District 1, page 44, line 6 - family of
Chapman Womack, age 38, male, born KY
Nancy, age 29, f, KY
Alexander, 10, m, KY
James,8, m, KY
Jane,5, f, KY
John, 3, m, KY
Polly, 1, f, KY

In 1840, Chapman is listed as Chapman Womack, in Butler Co., KY
page 395, line 3 - Abraham Womack is line 4;
Chapman's family is 1,0,0,0,1/0,0,0,0,1
which translates to a couple in their 20s with a kid under 5
Abraham is 0,0,0,0,1/0,0,0,0
which translates to a single guy in his 20s.

Does anyone have an email address for RAY BRIAN WOMACK? I tried the worldnet address and the mail was returned. Ray, if you are out there, I sure would like to get hold of you. I have information to share with you on the Womack/Wasson connection.

Monday, April 15, 2002 at 18:20:22 (PDT)
Rita Ellis
jdellis1@earthlink.net

Thanks for the information on Chapman Womack. He can also be found on the 1860 census of Bates County, Missouri, Spruce Township. C. Womack 48, Nancy 42, with children James D. 19, Jane M. 17, John R. 14, Polly 10, Millie E. 6, and a two year old daughter whose name I could not read. The eldest son, Alexander is no longer with the family. This holds with my theory that he is Joseph Alexander as he is married (Mary Ann Grogan) and living with his in laws in Trigg County, KY. By 1870, Joseph Alexander Womack and family are in Bates County, MO. I just don't know how to complete the link. Any help would be appreciated.

February messages have been moved to the archives

Re: Ray Bryan Womack I , The last mail I received from him, Ray said he had been in the hospital with CHF, Congestive Heart Failure and was having problems breathing, also was being treated for a sleep problem. He was waking up several hundred times an hour. He stated that he was not answering his genealogy e mail because he was feeling bad. Ray is a good friend and a forty plus year Womack researcher. My last two e mails cxame back as no receipent. If any one knows more on Ray please contact me.
Jack

I spoke with Ray Bryan Womack this morning on the phone, he and his wife have both been ill and in the hospital with congestive heart failure, so do keep them in your prayers. For those new to WGN, Ray is one of the pillars of Womack research ("WOMACK & ASSOCIATED FAMILIES GENEALOGY" P.O. Box 96. Palmdale, FL. 33944-0096.) He has been doing Womack research for about 40 years, and has helped many people make connections to their family. He hasn’t been on-line in a while because his computer crashed and is very concerned with what information he may have lost, He has a good computer guy working on trying to save everything. “ Best Wishes Ray”

For the rest of you, BACK UP, BACK UP, BACK UP!!!

Sent to me by Susan Womac(k)- article about a Womack Descendant (my line)

http://www.dpa.xtn.net/index.php?template=news.view.subscriber&table=news&newsid=86160

Does anyone know anything about ancestors of Elijah J. Wommack b. April 4, 1824, died Dec. 8, 1908. Married Sarah A. Horn. Both buried at Oakridge Cemetery, Marietta, Texas.

Talked to Ray Bryan yesterday afternoon on way home from work - he seems to be doing ok - but tired and worried about Merle - she apparently has recovered to the point that she can be off oxygen during the day; and he has caught her walking without her walker already - she was getting a checkup when I called..

His computer's buffer was messed up and he still is waiting for the repairman to get it straightened out --

Thank you for the updates on Ray. I sent off a get well card to him yesterday just to let him know he is in my thoughts.

Is there any truth to the or I have heard that Thomas Womack, married to Louvisa Rice, was the illegitimate child of Abraham Womack? I have heard this argument on another web sight, and I was wondering if it was true or just a or to try and explain the parentage of Thomas. It is also my hope that no one is offended by this question.

Is there any truth to the or I have heard that Thomas Womack, married to Louvisa Rice, was the illegitimate child of Abraham Womack? I have heard this argument on another web sight, and I was wondering if it was true or just a or to try and explain the parentage of Thomas. It is also my hope that no one is offended by this question.

James,
Thomas comes up about every year, to date no one has given any evidence or proof of his ancestry. The link above and below is notes I have gathered from other researchers. If someone finds something to add I will be glad to post them on this page.

http://www.womacknet.net/thomaswomack.htm

We live in a home in Marshall, Texas. I was looking for the original owner of the home, built in 1920. In 1924, John Womack is shown to own there property. I can only assume he had it built as well. Anyone know of any Womack's in the Marshall area in the 1920's that might have some old photos of the home.
Kimberly

For yer infermayshun frum an ole skool chum of mine in AR.
Rog, for those of you who had ancestahs in the Conway area, might be a co-neck-shun

CONWAY -- Martha "Marty" Helen Womack, 60, of Conway, passed away Wednesday, April 17, 2002. She is survived by her husband, Charles Gaylon Womack; three sons: Russell Clark of New York, Thomas Clark of Dallas, Texas, and Charles Womack Jr., of Little Rock; a daughter, Vickie Wheeler of Maumelle, two brothers: Mel Seabourn of Albuquerque, N.M., and Harrell Seaborn, of Texas; a sister, Earlene King of Seattle, Wash.; and eight grandchildren.
She was a graduate of Sul Ross University of Alpine, Texas, and worked at the Conway Senior Citizens Center. She was a Baptist, and a member of the Pine Village Hunting Club. She was also retired from the Little Rock Police Department.

Charles Gaylon Womack, is the son of Floyd Monroe Womack, son of Franklin Floyd Womack, son of William Harrison Womack, son of Joel W. Womack born abt 1813. This is one of Farris Womack's kinfolk and I'm sure the rest of us also once we figure out who Joel W. belonged.

Roger,
Re: Joel W Womack
Try this and see if it fits. Joel was the son ofRichard Grandville Womack Jr., son of Richard Grandville, son of Alexander Jr., son of Alexander, son of Richard Jr., son of Richard Womack and

Re: Last posting, Hit the wrong darn button and sent it before I had finished. Should have read Richard Womack b. 1655 and Mary Elizabeth Puckett, b. 1656.
That,s what I have in my database and don't know it came from, maybe from one of the discussions with Ray Bryan.
Jack

Hening's "Statutes at Large" Vol. 7 lists the Lunenberg County Colonial Militia in 1758. Included are Jacob Womack as both Ensign and Sergeant (are these the same man or were there two there at that time?) and Abraham Womack as Private. Am I correct in assuming these are sons of Richard III?

David,
Re: Richards Womack III's sons. Jacob Womack, Maj. and Jesse Womack, Lt. are pretty well documented I thought. Sure have a lot of DAR's awarded concerning those two. Don't know about Abraham or the other brothers David, John and Abner. There are numerous occations where military titles were bestowed on people for loyalty and support to a cause, not necessarly for their Military service. Sometimes a person of one military rank was given a boost in rank after they were seperated fron the service, probably a prestige thing or an honorary rank.The brits were good at this.

Hello everyone I am researching Frank D Womack born abt 1843 and Eudora F Hall Womack born 7-19-1845 died 12-4-1915 in Brazoria Tx. They are my greatgrandfather and greatgrandmother. Does anyone have any information on them. Thanks, Inez

Well, actually the question was more about the Colonial Militia than the Revolutionary War; I'm really after who was where when (and who was who).

Jack this is two-fold
1. I laugh me arse off about ole Major Jacob and the DAR - the dang wife they used isnt his!!!! It is his cousin Jacob's wife, my 4th great granny!! Let the dang society of true documentation chew on that one awhile.

2. Also, are you telling me that Alex Jr, my 5th great, had another son I dont know about?? Richard??? bro to my 4th???

Just to let your all know that I'm back on line and to thank all for
their concern of my health.
Thanks a heap,
Ray Bryan

David, as far as I know that's Richard III's sons there in colonial Lunenberg Co - Major Jacob (the Major was from later service in the TN militia) and Abraham, who also had some political service or something during the Revolution - the dates are a little squirrelly, Abraham would have been 16 so after April 1858, so technically, he'd be required to serve. And Major Jacob was a few years older, so we're ok there. The question is, why aren't their 2 older brothers listed? Richard IV was dead, so he doesn't count. But Jesse and David, I think, were older than Jacob - I could be wrong as their dates are estimates from censuses.

If I'm remembering correctly, in the colonies, if the local militia was called, every able bodied male between 16 and 60 had to show up, and furnish their own arms no less. I suppose it's possible that it was different in VA, I'm more familiar with the militia rolls for NC. They may have had different rules that exempted them, but for instance, David would have been oh, 28 and I don't think he married until another 10 years later. Ann

David
I think this may have some bearing on David, this was in a misc. file I had on him.

"David Womack settled by 1761 in that part of Orange County, North Carolina, which became Caswell County in 1777 ( and lived in one of the sections { Nash District } that became Person County in 1791). By 1771 he had married Mildred Pryor, as proved in the Will of John Pryor, her father, dated 1771, Orange County, North Carolina. David Womack sold out in 1784 and left North Carolina, probably living in the northwest part of South Carolina before settling in St. Helena Parish, Louisiana." - Source The Womack Genealogy
Same edition of The Womack Genealogy, on the outside front page, gives as proof that the said David Womack, husband of Mildred Pryor, was the son of Richard Womack and Nancy Childers, a Photostat of the Family Record from the Old Bible of Abraham Womack, Jr., of Greensburg, St. Helena Parish, LA.
David served as a Revolutionary War soldier and was appointed on 11 Sept. 1777, Patroller of the Nash District in North Carolina. David sold out 1784 probably living in the Northwest part of South Carolina for a time before finally settling in St. Helena Parish, Louisana.

Ann
Other than Watauga, where in TN did Major Jacob Live - I thought he died in GA poss Burke Co??? Also, who was the second Jacob at Watauga??

Lots of good inputs here. Let's see. There were two Jacobs, according to Sam. Sam, Richard III was father of one - who was father of the other? Could both have been in Lunenburg VA in 1758? Richard III is said to have had at least 7 sons: Richard IV (who died c. 1754), Jesse, David, Jacob, Abraham, Abner, and John. Some of this family went to Orange/Caswell/Person NC: Richard III and Abraham in 1758 and 1759; Jacob, John and David later. (NC statements based on County Records). Richard III went to present Jefferson Co GA in the 1760's. His land patent applications say he had either 4,5,or 3 children with him. Who were they? Jesse was one. David and John stayed in NC. Abe went to Hancock GA. Jacob went to TN? What happened to Abner? Who were the other kids Richard had in GA with him? Girls?

Lucinda Womack married Claiborne (Clayborne, etc) Pigg. They lived in Sullivan and Greene Counties, IN. After Claiborne Pigg died she remarried several times to Wayman, Powell, Brown to name a few. Appreciate if anyone would share info about her parents whom I believe to be Abner Womack and Martha Drucilla Byars. Thanks

Lucinda Womack married Claiborne (Clayborne, etc) Pigg. They lived in Sullivan and Greene Counties, IN. After Claiborne Pigg died she remarried several times to Wayman, Powell, Brown to name a few. Appreciate if anyone would share info about her parents whom I believe to be Abner Womack and Martha Drucilla Byars. Thanks

David
The Jacob I know of for sure was Jacob son of Alex Jr, son of Alex Sr, son of Richard III. However, I am beginning to have some doubts about my Jacob's father being Alex Jr - using the naming scheme they most often used back then - why didnt Jacob, my GGGG-GF name any sons James or Alexander?? After his father??
Why does Jacob appear descending from Alexander and not another? Who was my Jacob named after other than his cousin; and who was Major Jacob named after?
It is obvious that Major Jacob may have had more children than the 1 we know, Martha, and the two possibles Sarah and William...
And, the only other Jacob I know of in America before them, which I hate to bring up was a descendant of ole fake Henry of MA...
Ah heck, we Womacks are a colorful albeit mysterious bunch arent we?

David, there was at least one daughter - one Ann Womack who married Josiah Allday in Lunenberg Co in 1760. I'd have to look up the docs, sent by a member here who sent it to me. The reference is around here someplace, or better yet, it's probably in the archives here. But the Alldays ended up in Burke Co., GA. This Richard III family is a little like the William the immigrant story in which you end up with a family by association. So, document A shows that Abe is the brother of Jesse, document B that Jesse is the brother of Richard IV, etc. The biggest goldmine is the lawsuit with the Archdeacons over the death of Richard IV and his estate.

Personally, I've been pondering lately WHY Sarah who m. James Archdeacon Cody is lumped over with a different Richard and Ann Womack when clearly his sister married Richard IV. Why assume that James married a cousin to Richard IV? I can't find a supporting document listed in my notes for assigning her to that family. I'm thinking some serious perusal of those families are in order. Clearly these Codys ended up in Warren Co., GA and a generation later were interrelated to the Abraham Womack family, so I'm thinking something is messed up there.

As for that second Jacob in TN, that's a VERY good question. Maybe Tom Hill might jump in on that one, as he's better at keeping that straight than I am. And no one seems to know what happened to Abner.

As to where Major Jacob lived and at what times, I have him in Lunenberg Co in the 1750s, in Orange Co., VA in 1764, in TN by 1772, and there in 1776, which seems to be the last confirmed sighting of him. If the old boy left a will, it's news to me, and I couldn't even tell you where he was buried without searching quite a bit. Ann

Alexander Womack sp Milly Buckner, of Lunenburg Co., VA., was charged with the payment of William Womacks Tax for 1787, a strong indication that William was his son. William was listed next to Alexander as (16 to 21 Yrs.) No other sons were listed as they were to young.
William Womack married Margaret Ellis in 1790 in Lunenburg Co., VA., and it was witnessed by Jacob Womack, believed to be the son of Alexander. Since Jacob had bought land from Alexander and lived near by, it was a pretty good guess he may have been his brother. No proof though.

The only other Jacob I know of born about the same time was Jacob b abt. 1787 son of Albridgton Womack, Jr. But I don't know where he was at that time.

Ann (and others). You are right about the Sarah who married James Archdeacon Cody III. I have been convinced for years she is the daughter of Richard III and Ann Childers. Her brother Richard IV married his sister Margaret. The families lived near, usually adjacent, in Prince Edward, Lunenburg, and Charlotte counties in VA, and in Orange, Caswell, Person in NC. When they went to GA they were nearby, Richard III in Jefferson and the Codys in Hancock (where Sarah's brother and Richard III's son Abraham lived). There are lots of other connections - the Alldays, the MacFarlands, use of the name Alce in both families, etc. The only source I know of for putting Sarah as the daughter of another Richard is Carlos. Now I know Carlos did a mountain of work but as we all know he got a lot of things wrong. He gives absolutely no evidence for putting Sarah with the other Richard.

Speaking of New England, while searching some Rev. War indexes, I found a WINNICK and a few other odd possible variations and the truly odd WMWACK. Frederick WMWACK. Listed that way 6 times in the index, from CT. Odd, eh? I couldn't find the name anywhere else, either. Ann

The records I have gathed over the years, none of which can be positively verified, indicate that David Womack, husband of Mildred Pryor, moved from Orange Co. S.C. to Georgia to be close to or possibly live with one of his sons. The location in Georgia is roughly available. He purportedly died in Georgia or possibly returned to S.C. and died there. His son, David Womack II, husband of Sarah Norris, and also my GGG Grandfather, settled in St. Helena Pariswh, LA. He fought in the war of 1812 and later moved with his family and seemingly other members of Womack families to Simpson Co., MS. He is buried in the Everet cememetary near Mendenhal, MS. There is also a marker indicating his wife Sarah is buried next to him, but there is amarker in th Mt. Zion cemetary in Trinity Co. TX indicating she died there in 1858. David III, His family and four other Womack families(brothers and cousins) emigrated to Texas in 1856. Others may have already been in Texas. Sarah did not want to go to Texas but was told she had no choice. She came but refused to ride in the wagon and walked all the way from MS to TX. This story was passed down thru the family. Hope I havn't bored you. I would like to hear your documentation on David I going to LA. Thanks, Lloyd

Roger
Have to question your statement about Alex Jr and Williams taxes and the other boys too young - if William was 16-21 that makes him born between 1766 and 1771, Edmund is listed as born abt 1764 - Jacob Sr was listed on a census as 45 up meaning born 1765 or before(the one in KY) dont have my files at present-and the 1830 and 1840 TN censuses listed Jacob as 60-70 and 70-80 respectively, meaning between 1760 and 70....and I do stand corrected on a Richard as brother to Jacob, et al found in an old file on my other laptop..

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