October 2001 Message Archive

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My e-mail address will be changing to in about 10 days. Until then use I am looking for any information I can find on Josiah C.C. WOMACK, my gg grandfather. Josiah was b. Jackson,AL around 1829-1831 died 13 May 1890, buried Driggs, Logan, AR-md Mary Ann, b abt 1835-1840 in MS she died Mar 1870 buried in Johnson Co, AR. Their children: 1st Martha L. E. Womack (my g grandmother)b Dec 1854 md William Yound Porter, 2nd John William Alexander Womack b Apr 1858 in Clark Twp,Johnson, AR, died Logan Co,AR md Martha Rosa Williams, 3rd Levi F. or P. or W. Womack b Nov 1860 in AR md Eudora Moore, 4th Joseph B. (Ben) Womack b Jun 1863 in AR md Lola or Lula M. Jackson, and 5th Stephen Alonzo E. Womack b Oct 1870 Clark Twp, Johnson, AR married Savanah. Any info on these aunts and uncles also appreciated. Thanks a million!

Hey Folks. Back again. First, and important, my computer did briefly have a virus and it was one which sent messages without my knowing, and while I wasn't even here! As always, obviously someone sent it to me! Sorry, but Sam is right - buy Norton. Second, thanks to those of you who sent messages - my brother died Sept 8. Because of that I cancelled my trip to England and my college reunion dinner and my visit to Norfolk but will reschedule asap. Peace. David.

Thank you samsawadee@qwest.net for the information on Elizabeth Murtons marriage, could be a worthwhile lead in my research.

To the American people, regarding the 11th Sept, we who lived through the London Blitz know only too well what havoc can be caused in everyones lives by such actions. We learned the hard way to be able to live with it and we did survive and went on, with help, to win, and America can do the same.
Good luck and rememnber that there is a power greater than ours, a power that
says quite clearly " Vengeance is Mine" There swill come a reckoning.

Hedley Murton

This is my first time to visit this site. I had been trying to locate some of my kin but could only go back to my grandfather. I visted his grave a few weeks ago and his head stone has Elick Womack on it. I just found out from one of your postings that his real name is Alexander. I am contacting the individual who made that posting but I am also looking for my grand mothers name. I believe her last name was Morris and she was Cherokee. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

George, I believe your line is Alexander Womack sp. Cereptia Elizabeth Morris, he was the son of Jacob Womack sp Melissa Jane Althiser. Get in touch. I'll let you know what I have. There are other working this line also.

I am attempting to find information about my gggfather Britain J. Womack (b.Feb.20,1818 - d. Jul.5, 1884). On Oct.9, 1839 he married Jane Stephens (b.Apr.9, 1820 - d. Nov. 9, 1864) in Jones or Walton Co. GA.

Children as follows:

Mary Elizabeth b. 10/9/1840
Melissa Ann (my ggmother) b. 12/26/1843
William Robert b. 8/26/1845
Andrew Jackson b. 1/13/1847
Nancy Jane b. 8/26/1848
Wiley Augustus b. 5/9/1850
John b. 2/20/1853
George b. 9/13/1857

Any information greatly appreciated.

George Harvill
g.greentreeinform@verizon.net

George, well, I think who you have there is Britain III, aka Albridgton III. If he's the guy I think he is, he was in the Monroe Co., GA census in 1850, with wife Jane and 6 kids, and if memory recalls, he's a WOMMACK in that census. His name appears as Britain or Brittain more often than not, but his father and grandfather seem to have randomly been Brittain and Albridgton, depending on who was writing it down. Quickly looking at my notes here, it says you should find Albridgton the father in the 1850 census in Monroe Co as well, 1840 in Walton Co. GA, and 1820 in Moore Co., NC, then there is a note here about the settling of Brittain Sr's (the grandfather's) will in NC in 1819, which apparently names all the heirs in that family....well, whatever - that isn't actually my line, I happen to have that info because my family was in GA and NC at the same times, I could probably pop up a few random group sheets if I had to, but hopefully another person with more info on the Albridgtons will pipe up.

Ann McDonald

hello-
I am a Womack. Could you send me the history of the Womack's? I do not know anything about the Womack's. Information like how we got our name and when how long it has been around. Thanks for your time.

Ruth
Go to the archive pages and read the past couple years and that should give you a good feel for the name -- in the meantime write down everything you know about your parents, your grandparents and greatgrandparents on both sides - talk to older members of the family see if any old photos exist - any old family notes, any family Bible with names and dates, make photo copies of all and keep safe -- check cemeteries in your area for the name and copy down the insctiptions and ask who they were to your family and make notes --

When posting here, give names - dates - places that you have to assist us in trying to help find your people...

im just starting to research the womacks and i have a copy of the old family bible and please contact me with any info you may have. here is a list of definite knowns:

Jim Womack b. 1884 d. 1954 born in tennessee and moved to ok.
tom womack b.1896
ben womack b. 1887
mollie womack b. 1890
sallie womack b. 1892
dave womack b. 1894
iner womack b. 1899
jiles womack b. 1902
elmer womack b. 1910
hattie womack b. 1912
claude and clyde womack b. 1918
ben womack b. 1922
virginia womack b.1928 ( my grandmother)

The folks at the Library of Virginia have upgraded some of their databases again. This time it's the VA Historical Inventory. If you search on WOMACK, you'll find 20 entries, about 10 of which are actually useful - they are descriptions of Womack houses and cemeteries - some with photos of houses - from 1936, including lists of house owners, so for instance, Archer Womack's house is mentioned. Also a couple of them have cemetery inventories. That's at......
http://eagle.vsla.edu/vhi/
Ann

I just would like to say hello to all Womacks. Hello Cuz Roger.I'am hoping to meet relatives in England and get to know them. So,Roger if you know any of our family please let me know. I can't begin to tell you all my feelings on all of this terroism going on. My husbands job was shut down for two weeks because he works at the airport. Talk about eating beans and rice.This has takin it's toll on us.I can't stop shaking and i don't sleep iam always watching the news. I keep praying for all........Anyway i leave the matter in GODs hands.But, if Roger if you know any family in England please let me know..Thank You
What a great time for getting closer...
With great love
Lydia Womack(I'am sorry to hear about the loss of your husband "Jack"

Hi Everybody,
I am looking for info on a Rachel Womack who married Miles Hoggard. They are my gg grandparents. My g grandfather was Joe Hoggard, born in 1892 in Kentucky and through other family members that I had found, he did have sisters & brothers. Although we are all having trouble with Hoggard due to some problem in the family many years ago, we're having even more trouble finding anything on our Womack line. One cousin had heard that Rachel was Blackfoot Indian, but I do have a picture of her & I can't see any trace of Indian in her. Chances are she had been married once before & that husband might have been Native American. If this sounds like any of the Womacks in anyone's line, please help. We would like to have more than one Womack listed in our records. Also with my new found cousin's we have found that we each have different spellings for the name.

EARLY WOMACKS. Just to prove I am still working on this subject, here is a report on some recent research. In DC recently I finally found a reference I had seen (and tried to find for years) which allegedly proved some of the murkier early facts. It is an article in "The Gulf States Historical Magazine" Vol.II, No,4, 1904, by Mrs. Jennie S. Perkins. Here is how it starts: "The authentic genealogy of the Womack family of Georgia and Alabama commences in 1610 with Lawrence Womack, Bishop of St. Davids, England; he was second son of Charles Augustus Womack, who was a half brother to the Duke of Albemarle." Well, this predates even Dr. Stephenson's misguided early versions - maybe Mrs. Perkins was her source? Dr. Stephenson said this junk had been published as early as the mid-19th century. Why "junk"? Well, let's see. The old bishop was born in 1612. St. David's is in Wales, not England. He was the son of another Lawrence, not a Charles Augustus. (Someone must have had fun making that name up!) There was at the time no Duke of Albemarle for anyone to be half brother to. The article goes on to list descent from Charles Augustus to Lawrence, to the infamous Edward then Ashley, then Richard, then Abraham, then Jacob, then Mansel, then John Warburton, saying Ashley and Richard emigrated in 1716. More junk - at least the early part. We know that the Richard in this line was really one of the Henrico Womacks who were here as early as 1673. (After Richard it's ok isn't it Ann?) Not sure what the lesson is here. Levy's First Law of the Disillusionment of the True Liberal ("Anticipated events never live up to expectations")? Don't believe everything you read?

David, actually, it isn't ok after Richard. After Richard, it's Abraham, Mansel, and John Warburton Womack. Jacob is presumably Major Jacob, Abraham's brother. Any mention of Ashly or Ashby makes me want to run screaming into the distance! It's a cringe inducer! I was actually doing some investigating on the name Mansel the other day - I was pondering the sudden appearance of the name Mansel and Richard Mansel in a couple of Womack lines. I did find a Richard Mansel in 1800 in South Carolina and various Mansels a little earlier, but oddly for such a rare name, I couldn't find much at all about the family. Still looking, though. Ann

Thanks for the correction Ann, and also for the news about LVA. While there I noticed that since the last time I worked on the site, they also have updated the Land Grant data and there is a nice new name based search unit there too, which makes life a lot easier.

Tuesday, October 16, 2001 at 17:25:19 (PDT)
Sam
samsawadee@qwest.net

Two things:
1. in about 8 days my qwest.net addy will no longer work - it will refer you to me at msn.com -- qwest going outta the isp biz I guess and made a deal with MSN..same screen name that thang registered in manyh places, mostly low ones..LOL

Secondly - anyone know who the Richard Womack was in Cumberland Co KY (1810 Census}? Well, which one I should say??

Thursday, October 18, 2001 at 05:38:17 (PDT)
Wanda Scadden
Dustygoldmama@aol.com

Hello! I am new to WGN.If anyone one can help it would be great.I am looking for a "Frank" Womack/womac/Wolmac. He had a brother Billy?, who was slightly mentally hanicapped. "Frank" was born about 1925 to 1938.Would be in his seventies now. He, I believe, was from Oklahoma or Texas. He worked as a oil rig foreman and traveled to different oil rigs with a crew of men. He was in Wyoming in 1957-1958 in Lander or Larimie areas working. He was married with five daughters at the time.He was tall and slender and had a thyroid condition, Hyperthyroid? His mother(?) was Half or Quarter Cherokee Indian. Any leads out there? Thank-you.

I'm looking for the Wommack (Romecke, Wamack, Womac, etc.) family coat of arms or at least the description of the heraldry. I have a pretty good history of the Wommack family in Greene Co. MO, and Fair Grove, MO, if anyone is interested in it...I am getting married to an Owen next year and wanted to make something incorporating both of our coats of arms into something for the wedding. I know there is a Wommack/Owen connection in NC and I'm curious about this as well...Thank you in advance, Heather

HEATHER
There is no specific Womack Coat of Arms - and if there were, only direct male descendants oldest son to oldest son would be authorized to claim and bear those arms - the only exception would be if there were no male descendants, the person might leave to a favorite nephew - you can check this out via the College of Arms and etc in England and Scotland -- The only one known was that of Bishop Lawrence Womack and he had no mail heirs and, purportedly, left his estate etc to a nephew who many mistake as his son.

However, there are some rather nice fakes out there!!

A WORD OF CAUTION; for those who have guest books on their websites. Some moron is writing viruses and replacing any link left there by a visitor with it. A guest book can by design be written to but a link to another website can be changed and the code installed while leaving the original wording of the link. I clicked on a link i wanted to visit and WHAM ! my Anti-virus went off with all the bells and bongs. I directed my A-V to repair the damage and run file scan on everything. We are all aware of viruses in E-Mails but who would have ever dreamed of one in your guest book. I have deleted that book and installed a new one just to be safe. My aest advice is to install an anti-virus program and keep it updated. I use Norton because it has live update and runs in the background all time. The moral of this is , dont click on any links in your or any elses' guest book. Just write it in your browser to be safe, even then there is the possibility that it too may be a fake entry. This seems to be a falicy on the servers part for not catching it. There are about 2oo new virus written each week ,most dont get past the servers but some find loop holes. My A-V shows 56,988 definitions in it and that covers a lot of viruses. Play it safe and take care the ged file you save could be your own.

Just wanted to run this across whoever has Alex Sr as an ancestor - Mosto of the itme we hear no last name for Martha - then we had Alexander - now Pruitt?

Womack, David ABT. 1746 Campbell County, VA AR
Father: James Alexander Womack Mother: Martha Pruitt
Spouse: Elizabeth Hawkins

looking for an alli or allison womack that may be related to palace (shorty Owens or peaches. Heard she moved back to the reservation in the 1950s in north carolina. any info would be greatly appreciated. thanks sarah

I was reading the message to George Delton Womack and believe you and Roger are searching the same line I am. JacobWomack and Melissa Althiser are the parents of my husband's grandmother Serilda Isadora Avanell Womack. I would appreciate any additional information either of you may have.

Thanks for your help.

Ann Hickman

I am looking for WOMACK/WAMACK connections to Allen GREENE, b abt 1872 Brunswick Co., VA, d 1 Dec 1844 Montgomery (now Grimes) Co., TX. At his death Allen GREENE owned property in Brunswick Co., VA, Hancock Co., GA and Liberty Co. and Montgomery Co., TX. His Jan 1842 will was probated twice: 31 Mar 1845 Jones Co., GA [with executors James L. Greene (son), William D. Ethridge of Georgia (son-in-law), Abram WOMACK, and James Scott], and again in Dec 1850 Grimes Co., TX. [Allen Green Estate, by Jas L. Green Exr: "The Commissioners of partition to = wit. Edward Hobbs, Elisha Floyd and A. M. WAMACK, returned to the Court at this term, a report of partition of land among the heirs of deceased, made by them as a substitute for the report previously made and DESTROYED BY FIRE, and the same, being duly qualified to and no person objecting, was approved and confirmed and ordered to be recorded together with the field notes and plats therewith filed; and upon the petition of the Executor, no other business appearing herein It was ordered by the Court that this case be dismissed."].

Thus, A. M. WAMACK and Abram WOMACK appear to be the same person. An Abram M. Womack received 1,280 acres of land in Montgomery County on May 3, 1838. On 22 Jul 1844, Allen Greene purchased 2,400 acres in Montgomery Co. from Leonard Groce, acting as executor of the estate of his brother, Jared Groce (d 20 Nov 1836 Montgomery Co; see .), the parcel being part of land that had been granted to Jared Groce by the Mexican Government. The deed mentions that "the land adjoins the lands of Bowen and WAMACK which lands were a part of the same head right and being the same on which the said Green now resides." Is the WAMACK mentioned here the same person?

It is interesting to note that Allen GREENE had a son-in-law named John C. BOWEN who d abt 1836 in GA, but we know a number of persons representing families intermarried with the GREENE family removed from neighboring areas of GA to similarly neighboring ares of TX in roughly the same time period, 1838 to 1844. We also know that an adjoining landholder in Montgomery Co., TX, was a Jesse WOMACK, b 12 Jul 1807, d 11 Oct 1884 Mexia, Coolidge Co., TX, whose had both a son and a daughter marry into the family of James L. GREENE, Allen's son: Daniel Brown WOMACK, b 12 Jun 1839 Sumter Co., AL, d 7 May 1925 Dallas, Dallas Co., TX, m 23 May 1866 Plantersville, Grimes Co., TX, Mary Elizabeth GREENE, b 19 Jul 1839 in GA, d 11 Sep 1920 Dallas, Dallas Co., TX; and Mary Frances WOMACK, b 30 Jan 1838 Sumter Co., AL, m 4 Mar 1858 Grimes Co., TX, John Hunt GREENE, b abt 1837 in GA, d Jul 18 1863 Battle of Gettysburg, Adams Co., PA.

Do any of you Womack researchers have any more information on these similarly surnamed persons. All help is greatly appreciated and will be reciprocated as much as possible. Thanks.

HELP! I won't go into all the details, but a ring binder I had with me at the time of our accident came apart & papers were everywhere. They were collected and this is the first time I have tried to get them all back in order. Needless to say, this is no small task. While looking through each page, I came across a sheet re Good Hope Cemetery Hardin Co., IL that listed some Womack information. I have none of these people in my database and am wondering if the person that emailed it to me or some one else, could help me identify them. The following were listed: Womick, Grandma donated the ground for GOODHOPE CEM and was 1st person buried there (Elizabeth Shewmaker Womack, Abraham's wife); Womack, Maggie O., daughter of W. L. & M. F. Womack Jan 10, 1890-Aug 3, 1899; Womack, William W. aug 27, 1837-Nov 16, 1920 SGT. Co F 131 Regt IL inf Army plaque; Womack, Sarah A. wife of W. W. Womack May 12, 1859-Apr 19, 1915; Womack, Charles O. son of W. W. & Sarah Womack, Apr 2, 1878-Oct 30, 1909; Womack, A. I. (Abram Isaac) June 13, 1838-Aug 2, 1902 Co C 48 Regt.

Thanks so much. Carolyn

Carolyn: This sounds like Denise Kneifel's work as this is her line in Hardin County, Illinois. Bob

Carolyn: I left Denise's e-mail address off: Bob

Anyone have info on Alfred Knowles b 1859, m. Amanda Womack b. 1862 m.Jan 26, 1878, White Co. TN. I have no records on Alfred or their children. Amanda was dau. of Solomon and Rebecca Norris Womack and my great aunt. Solomons son Francis Pinckney Womack married America Harris who was the widowed dau. of Avery Norris. Somewhere there is a connection with James K Knowles that I have came across in the past. Any help out there. Thanks and God bless.

Sorry, I made a mistake in the previous message. America Harris was the daughter in law of Mary Harris,she was the widow of William R Harris. Her maiden name was America Knowles. Haven't a clue as to who her parents were.

Thanks for identifying the source of the information I had re Hardin Co. Cemetery.

I have tried contacting Ray Bryan Womack at the address given on Researcher's List & email was returned. Does anyone know how to get in touch with him?

Carolyn,
Ray Bryan Womack has visited Connie Baumann's MyFamily website as recently as 10/28/01. I sent him an e-mail at the address listed there to contact you.

Wednesday, October 31, 2001 at 23:56:07 (PST)
Jack Womack
oldpro@caprok.net

Carolyn
If it's Ray Bryan Womack Sr. you want go to womackrayb@olsusa.net

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