October 2000 Message Archive
Well, I typed up a little proposal on the earliest Womacks put it on my
website - the link is at the top of the page of the site. Comments, corrections,
additions, slings, arrows, arguments, etc., are welcome - and thanks to the
folks who I sent the first draft to via email for their notes, in particular
Hubert McAlexander sent me some nice notes on the Pucketts.
I actually had that more or less typed up a month ago before I bit the dust. As far as I'm concerned, September is a black hole, so I'm still resetting my brain back to where it was then. So, I think where I was, generally, was answering someone about Abraham down in Hancock Co., GA, and someone else about Richard III, and someone else about English Womacks. I do have typed up a page on Womacks who went to Cambridge, so I'll post that on my site next. If ya'll want to try to reset my brain cells by reminding me if I promised you something, go right ahead! Ann
I am trying to find out info on Jane Womack(dOb)Jan.10,1871, dod:Feb.11,1941.
She was married to William f. Kilgore. they lived in Falls County,Texas. I have info on the Kilgore side, but cannot find out anything about Jane, like here mother's name. I think her father's name was Daniel. I hope some of you may have the info that I need. Thank you. Peggy Kilgore Bozeman
I am looking for information regarding Clay Howard Womack (20 Dec 1892 to 30 Oct 1948), his first wife Grace Ellen Cook (7 Mar 1888 to 1 Apr 1948) and most especially, his potential second wife Mrs. Gladys Irene Womack. Clay's parents are Charles Allen Womack (1854 - 1916) and Matilda Lynch (1857 - 1938). He was born in Edwardsville, IL, lived in the Detroit area for a while and ran for State Legislature as a Republican candidate around 1924 and lived in Los Angeles from ~1927 - 1948. His death certificate lists him as having a living wide, age 56, by the name of Mrs. Gladys Irene Womack. I would like any information on his life, relatives, friends, associates, anything - and especially any information pertaining to Gladys. I have searched a number of sites and come up empty handed, except for the pictures my aunt provided for Roger Womack's site.
Another researcher has ask for information on a Mary Womack who married Robert Wiatt Patton in Pope county, Illinois in November 1838 and subsequently moved to Barry county, Missouri after 1850. I know there were at least two male Womacks there at the time, Abraham Womack & James S. Womack both sons of Thomas & Louvisa Rice Womack. Does anyone have information on the parents of this Mary Womack? The lady seeking this information is Wanda (Patton) Reed who's e-mail is:< email@example.com >Thanks Bob
Don't forget to add me to your "success" stories. (See my message of 9/29...it is a couple of entries below that idiot chain letter/scam message.)
Thanks again for helping me locate Archie Womack's parents Richard D. and Harriett in Carter County, KY. :-)
I've seen a reference in some files to the Womack Family Cemetery in Warren Co. Is this all there is of this family cemetery? Or is there another one?
Specifically it was refernced as the burial spot for Big Billy and his wife Mary.
I am looking for any information about JP Womack. He lived in or about
Calhoun TN. He was a cousin of my mother. Maiden name Dorothy Onley,Her
Father was Felix Onley, Mother Catherine.I don't know the connection.
When I click on your link...www.samsawadee.net .....It says page not found.
Hi Womack Researchers,
It has been a long time since I participated in this site,due to such a busy schedule, but wanted to let you all know that I have started a page on MyFamily.com just for Womack & collateral lines research. If you are interested in participating, please drop me a line via e-mail, and I will add you to the site.
Reason why is this http://www.womacknet.com/message/www.samsawadee.net
somehow it picked up the first part of this page's URL
mebbe the http stuff will work it now
Please help!!! I am trying to make a family tree for my daughter. I do not
have the money for professional looking.
I know of family in Copiah County, Mississippi. My grandfather was Kemph Womack (I think his first name was Herman) and he married Jessie Dixon. Their 3 children were Herman Lynn Womack, Bernita Mae Womack and Myron Kemph Womack.
Any help would be appreciated more than you know. This side of our family is practically lost to me. My father, due to bad experiences as a child, disassociated from his family and my grandparents are dead.
Tracie WoMack Easterling
Subject: Thomas Womack 1799.
"Thomas Womack to Thomas Norment Deed Book 10 page 189 Mecklenburg Co VA.
This indenture made this twenty first day of June one thousand seven hundred and ninety nine between Thomas Womack of the County of Chesterfield of the one part and Thomas Norment of the County of Mecklenburg of the other part...."
200 pounds current money of Virginia;
"...one certain tract or parcel of land situate lying and being in the County of Mecklenburg containing two hundred and fifty acres...."
Bound highlights: Robertsons road, Loafmans line, John Wagstaffs line, Fawlkers's line, Bazzle Wagstaffs line. This deed does not mention actual measurements. If anyone needs the entire deed, just ask. The only thing left out is the usual wording found in most indentures.
Subject: A N Womack 1841 & 1857
A N Womack to Jno Cardwell Deed Book 35 page 297 Mecklenburg Co VA 29 March 1841. Two hundred and fifty Dollars. Two certain lots or parcels of Land Lying and being in the County of Mecklenburg and at this time in the Corporation of Clarksville containing one acre and twenty four poles. Bounded as follows on the west by two lots No. 4 & 7 formerly belonging to Frederick Lewis at present owned by Rok Clack. On the north by Clark Royster on the east by 3rd street and on the south by the lots of Francis W. Venable They being two lots of land designated as No 3 & 8 among the lots laid off and sold by Clark Royster together with all and singular....Signed 29 March 1841 A N Womack; Witness Rok Clack, Henry W. Dunkley, Robt Andrews.
Proved by oaths of H W Dunkley and Rok Clack on 6 June 1857. The said deed being proved by the number of witnesses now required by law it is admitted to Record.
A N Womack to Jno Cardwell Deed Book 35 page 297 Mecklenburg Co VA 29 May 1857 by Abraham N. Womack and Jno Cardwell the former now resident in the Town of Farmville and state of Virginia. Witnessth that Whereas the said Abraham N. Womack did by Deed in Writing defective in Execution on the 29th day of March 1841 bargain sell and convey unto the said Jno Cardwell....
Hello Womack Researchers!
Hoping someone can help me connect these lines together. WOMACK - PUCKETT/
ROBB - WALLER. I will start with what I know and hopefully someone can
fill in the rest. My Grandmother was Myrtle MaryAnn ROBB - b. 2/16/1901 in
Morganville, Illinois d. 11/1977 in California, m. to (1) Francis Dewey
WALLER - b. 6/4/1898 in BlueMound, Illinois, d. 2/8/1976 in Michigan.
(2) John D. FREDENBURG - b. 2/4/1911 in Woodville, Michigan, d. 2/5/1970
in California. Myrtles parents were William Phillip ROBB - b. 1859 in
Illinois, d. 1948 in Illinois, m. to Iley Emmer PUCKETT - b. 1865 in
Illinois, d. 1937 in Illinois. Ileys parents were Benjamin John PUCKETT
b. 1838 in Illinois, d. 1908 in Illinois m. to Martha Ann McNEAR - no dates
My question is who were Benjamins parents?
Also I have William PUCKETT m. to Anne WOMACK both born Virginia, no dates
Thomas PUCKETT b. abt 1658 m. to Mary WOMACK
Richard WOMACK b. 1655 - d. 1684 m. to Mary PUCKETT b. abt 1656
With William PUCKETT and Mary PUCKETT WOMACK parents as John PUCKETT
and Anne JEFFERYS. But I cannot seem to connect the families, or I am
just not seeing it! I have some information on the PUCKETTS and ROBBS
and WALLERS if anyone needs help with that.
EARLY WOMACKS. In September I spent a week in the DC area researching early Womacks, in the DAR Library, the Library of Congress, and Dr. Jean Stephenson's papers. As a result, I can report some findings on the origins and accuracy of what I will call "the Bishop Lawrence pedigree". In letters she wrote between 1929 and 1960, Dr. Stephenson tells this story. The Bishop Lawrence pedigree, which shows a descent from Bishop Lawrence Womack (1612-1685) through a son Edward to a son Ashby to a son Richard, with Ashby and Richard emigrating to Virginia in 1716, was commissioned by John Warburton Womack in the first half of the nineteenth century. John Warburton Womack, like Dr. Stephenson, was a descendant of the Richard Womack who went to Georgia and died in Hancock Co. c. 1785 (the person now usually called Richard Womack III). John Warburton Womack sent people to England to find the ancestry of his ancestor Richard Womack. They came back with the Bishop Lawrence pedigree, with a Richard as Bishop Lawrence's great-grandson supposedly being J. W. Womack's ancestor Richard or Richard III. About 1912 Dr Stephenson, who was beginning her genealogical research, obtained a copy of the Bishop Lawrence pedigree. She did two things. First, she linked it to a pedigree of the Bishop himself which she obtained from the British Museum (which linked the Bishop back to a William Womack of East Dereham Norfolk). Second she started to try to authenticate it. In the meantime however she shared the combined pedigree with some relatives and other correspondents, including one relative to whom she said it was "a preliminary step towards a compilation". In later letters she said it was "never intended for publication". That correspondent sent it to someone else who later, without consulting with Dr. Stephenson, published it in 1925 in the "Bulletin of the Virginia State Library". When that was brought to Dr. Stephenson's attention, by at least 1929, she said it "should not have been published" and began writing letters, a process which lasted at least 31 years, in which she consistently said she had concluded the Bishop Lawrence pedigree had been "faked" and was "all wrong". In her letters over those years, Dr. Stephenson gave three principal reasons which had led her to believe the Bishop Lawrence pedigree was "wrong" or "faked". First, as some have noted in this forum, it appeared that the Bishop had died without male issue. Second, her research showed that the Richard Womack (Richard III) who was the mutual ancestor of herself and John Warburton Womack, was actually a descendant of the Henrico Co. VA family with which we are familiar and which had been in America long before Ashby and Richard supposedly arrived in 1716, at least as early as the 1670's. Third, in her research attempting to authenticate the Bishop Lawrence pedigree (i.e. over at least the period 1912-1960, and including some time spent in England) she never found any evidence to support the existence of the supposed Edward or Ashby, nor any of the information about them - their alleged birthdates, death dates, birth and death places, etc. - as given in the pedigree. In other words (hers) she was "unable to substantiate it" and it "cannot be supported by evidence".
More on early Womacks. First, everyone should read Ann McDonald's Oct. 2 posting and go to her website to read her "think piece". I think it presents a plausible case to which we should give attention and we should all be grateful to her and to Lynn Collis who sort of started this train of thought. Second, I have more to say on early Womacks and am preparing postings on: "Charles Augustus"; and, on possible links to the Norfolk family.
David, thanks for doing all that leg work! Since old John Warburton Womack
was a fairly close relative Womack-wise to me (my ancestor Kinchen's brother),
and having read some of the old boys letters, I can atest that the Ashby thing
derived from his research, and I wouldn't doubt for a second that the Bishop
Lawrence thing did as well. Ashby Womack is a complete and utter fiction, no
such person ever appears in any record I have ever seen. Having pounded my head
on false Ashby info years ago, to this DAY the very mention of him on a family
tree drives me bananas! In fact, the only thing I can say is that at least it
wasn't the WORST bit of time honored and completely wrong published information
I came across early on - that particular honor goes to the Steelman family and
the confusion over 2 Mathias Steelmans.
Thanks for all the work David! Ann
Hi I was wondering if someone here could help me out. I'm new at researching this and am trying to find out about the background of the Womack name. I was told when I was younger that my grandfather on my father's side was Irish. This confuses me as I never thought that it sounded Irish. Does anyone know of any way that the name may have been changed, or anything else about a possible Irish background? Thanks, fellow Womacks!
On the Bishop Lawrence thing - I think where the Edward comes in is that
since he had no male issue he made a nephew named either Edward or Edmund
his heir - got that somewhere from someone long ago cant find reference at the
Only known child I have been able to find was a daughter named
Anne who is buried with him wherever that church is at there - Interesting too, is that I heard all three of his purported (that means alleged methinks) wives were named Ann or Anne--
The Name Womack has been kicked around into so many countries!
We have some say it came from Scotland - have heard Germany, Hungary,
Holland - even Poland!!
The Irish thing could, as it has in many other cases, been used since the
person or persons departed from an Irish port and may have lived in
Ireland for a while before leaving - many did just that..My understanding
is that it was easier to leave thru the Irish ports than the English for
The most prominent nationality we can come up with at this time is that it
is English. Read below the first instance found of a similar name.
It looks like Ole John W got caught early in the con game of the mid to late
1800's. I read an article somewhere that indicated that many pedigrees were manufactured by unscrupulous "genealogists" and that many of those are still
floating about - As I remember also, it was Dr Stepthenson that blew the
whistle on the fake Coat of Arms in the old Womack Genealogy - perhaps some of the reasons we cannot find documentation is that some may have been destroyed to cover ones tracks - not withstanding the natural causes, fires and plain
stupidity of some records clerks -
Sam and everyone. No, the nephew who was made heir was another Lawrence. The first two wives were Ann/Anne but the third was Katherine.
PS as far as I know there were very few Edwards and none before the mid-eighteenth century and none in the early Norfolk or Yorkshire families.
I stand corrected on the wived (looks the neffie also..thanks
MORE ON EARLY WOMACKS: CHARLES AUGUSTUS. To put it bluntly: there never was a Charles Augustus (whether Womack or not) Duke of Albemarle. (In this posting I draw mostly on George E. Cokayne's "The Complete Peerage of England . . .etc." but I also have consulted many other peerage books, several encyclopedias, and other sources.) There have been Dukes of Albemarle at two times. The ones who existed at approximately the right time to fit their usually suggested place in the Womack history were George Monck, of Devon, created Duke of Albemarle in 1660, and his son Christopher, the second Duke of Albemarle, who died in 1688 without a successor, at which time the Dukedom became extinct. No Charles Augustus there. There were earlier Dukes of Albemarle in the 14th Century, but they were of Royal blood, of the Plantagenet family, and none were named Charles or Augustus. There also was a "Titular Dukedom" of Albemarle from 1696 through 1776 created under the Jacobite Pretenders but they also were of (illegitimate) Royal blood and also had no Charles or Augustus. So no Charles Augustus Duke of Albemarle. Now then, was there a Charles Augustus Womack? Who knows? The "Charles Augustus" and "Duke of Albemarle" references in Womack genealogies are a crazy quilt. In some, Charles Augustus Duke of Albemarle is the father of Bishop Lawrence Womack. In some, he is a half-brother of the Bishop. In some Charles Augustus Womack is a half-brother of the Duke of Albemarle. There are other variations of these basic themes, the silliest perhaps being the one where Bishop Lawrence himself is the Duke of Albemarle and also the son-in-law of Henry VIII. For me the bottom line is this. I have never seen, nor heard of, a single shred of evidence for the existence of a Charles Augustus Womack. From where in blue blazes then did the notion come that he existed? From some romantic Victorian Womack ancestor who made him up like the fabricators of Bishop Lawrence's phantom descendants Edward and Ashby? Well, maybe not. There just may be some Womack-Albemarle connection. After the Monck family Dukedom expired, an Earldom was created. In 1697 William III gave the title Earl of Albemarle to Arnold Joost van Keppel, a young Dutchman who had come to England with William when he was William of Orange, at the time of the Glorious Revolution. Sometime about 1750 George Keppel, the Third Earl of Albemarle, bought an estate of 7500 acres at Quidenham. Now Quidenham is in the big middle of Womack country in Norfolk. The Arthur Womack who was Bishop Lawrence's brother was Rector there 1668-85. The Earls of Albemarle and the Keppel family had doings in the vicinity of the Lophams and Great Ellingham and other Womack parishes, and Quidenham remained their family home, for the rest of the 18th century and at least the 19th century. The Fifth Earl of Albemarle (1794-1851) was named Frederick Augustus Keppel, one of 15 children (and insane). So maybe, just maybe, there really was an Albemarle connection to the Norfolk Womack family, but note that it probably would have to be at least as late as the Glorious Revolution of 1688 when van Keppel came over to England. And note that we still don't have a connection proving that the Norfolk Womack family is the source of the Henrico Womack family, but here perhaps is another clue.
A reminder for those searching Womacks in the current era, more or less. The
Social Security Death Index is available on-line. The California Death Index is
available on-line, and Texas vital records are available on-line. Mostly those
databases cover events post 1965 or so to the more or less current time.
Try http://searches.rootsweb.com/ as a good place to start looking for free database engines.
On a sillier note, some of you Womacks haven't been keeping track of your property! I was searching some unclaimed property databases (found some for some non-Womack cousins up in NY) and you wouldn't BELIEVE the number of Womacks listed. Tsk, tsk. Just for fun, do a search on one of the engines like Yahoo for unclaimed property to get a full state listing, pick a likely state, trot through their search and see if you know one of the Womacks listed. Surprise the heck out of a cousin if you find them! LOL!
Now, on a more serious note, I see at least 3 services are kicking in with full digital census 1790-1920 in the next few months. That could come in VERY handy. It's hard to say which service(s) will be the best/cheapest/etc. The only one I've seen prices for so far is Ancestry's project, which will be about $20 above their normal access charge. So far they only have 1790 available, which is useful to some, but totally useless to me at the moment, so I haven't tried it yet. They say they'll have the rest up and running by the end of January. FamilyTreeMaker's site (whatever they're calling it now) has more currently available in the 1850, 1860 range, but not the states I want, so that is not helpful to me either, so I also haven't tried that one. And GenealogyDatabase.com hasn't started up yet, but I ran into a reviewer who beta tested it he said it was really slick and he liked the application of the "notes" section to leave notes to other researchers. Have a good weekend! And Happy Hunting! Ann
Found these and kinda thought was a bit ironic since the names are connected
to Womack in one way or another:
Chbarlotte Co VA Court Orders Book 7
6 March 1787 Page 76 - Grand Jury consisting of... John Rice, et al...
returned the following
Jospeh Grammon for living in fornication with Elizabeth Prior
Robert Puckett for living in adultery with Sally Potter
The Hon. Paul Carrington for not giving his vote at the election the 2nd day
of April last.(thews this in to remind you to vote in Nov!!)
2 March 1789 Page 228 - Grand Jury conisting of Thomas Rice, John Rice, et al
returned the following presentments:
Robert Puckett, for living in adultery with Sarah Potter
Sarah Potter, for living in adultery with Robt Puckett
(looks like they couldnt quit!).
I am reliably informed that I should have mentioned a couple of additional
that will get you Kentucky deaths 1911-2000 and marriages from 1973-2000 lots of Womacks there!
and scroll down to Maine will get you Maine's deaths and marriages from about 1966-2000 (not many Womacks, but you never know!)
will get you some listings of veterans buried in National Cemeteries (done by state, you need to know the cemetery - and it doesn't include the state veterans cemeteries - so for instance Cheltenham Maryland Veterans Cemetery near me isn't listed, but Annapolis National Cemetery is) and it isn't complete, unfortunately.
http://www.interment.net/us/nat/ will get you a few more listings - including the USCTs, and some Confederate graveyards.
http://www.abmc.gov/abmc4.htm will get you to the databases of veterans buried overseas - the links will get you right to where each veteran is buried - a very nice new addition to the search engines, actually - quite a few Womacks listed in WWII.
THE WOMACKS OF HENRICO CO. VA AND NORFOLK CO. ENGLAND. I thought it might be useful to review some of the clues which may link the Henrico Co. VA Womacks to the Norfolk Co. England Womacks. ONE. The possibility that the Albemarle references may indicate some connection between the Norfolk based Earls of Albemarle and the Womacks. See my message of October 14. TWO. The Flowerdew connection. See my messages of June 11 and 15. At least one Norfolk Womack married a Flowerdew from Fersfield, Norfolk, where Womacks were rectors. Temperance Flowerdew of the Norfolk family was married to George Yeardley Governor of Colonial Virginia in 1616, 1619 and 1626. The Flowerdew Hundred originally owned by their family is 12 miles from the Bermuda Hundred where the Womacks lived. Three. The Kemp connection. Bishop Lawrence Womack was a brother-in-law of a Thomas Kemp of the Kemp family of Gissing Norfolk. (Gissing is another neighboring village of the Womack villages of the Lophams, Fersfield, Quidenham, etc.). The Bishop's nephew Robert Kemp was a second cousin to Richard Kemp, member of the Council from 1634, Secretary of State 1635-49, and Temporary Governor 1644, of Colonial Virginia. Other members of this Kemp family also were in early Colonial Virginia. FOUR. In a 1959 letter to Egbert Womack, author of "Cherry Grove", Dr Jean Stephenson noted that Henry Womack (1566-1627) vicar of Great Ellingham, had as patrons one Thomas Cornwalys, later a member of the Maryland Council, from the nearby Suffolk village of Brome, and Anthony Wingfield - an Edward Maria Wingfield was the first President of the Council of Colonial Virgnia and there was a Wingfield family with lots of Anthonys in Letheringham also in nearby Suffolk. FIVE. Helen Ring Womack, in her book "The Womack Trail" points out that two surnames of the nine headrights on Richard Womack's 1673 land patent (Cooke and Browne) are surnames which married into the Norfolk Womack family. This is perhaps the most tantalizing clue of all. The Browne is Ann Browne of Talconeston, Norfolk(another nearby village to the Womacks) who married the son (Salathiel) of the same Henry Womack as above, an uncle to the Bishop. Ann had brothers Thomas and John both of Talconeston, each of whom had a son Thomas - Thomas Browne being the name on the Richard I land patent. (I found the Browne pedigree in "The Publications of the Harleian Society" vol. 91.) FINAL NOTE. In her 1959 letter to Egbert Womack, Dr. Stephenson said she had a "hunch" that the Rev. Henry Womack above might be the grandfather of The Immigrant. I found no evidence that she knew about the Browne connection. CONCLUSION? I think that there is too much smoke here for there not to be a fire. We need to search the Norfolk family, beyond what we know from published pedigrees (Womack of Mautby, Womack of Lopham, etc.) in the right time period. That means looking in all the possible parish registers for a start. I've seen some volunteers to do some of this. Let's all start. Duplication of effort won't hurt because someone may catch what someone else misses! But if you do some work, keep us posted on the WGN! I believe that if we look hard enough in this Norfolk family we'll find The Immigrant lurking there! See my next message.
Just to stir the pot some more...my mom says that Womack is of Welsh extraction. She said HER mother was told this by her grandmother, Mary Elizabeth Moore Womack. Welsh, Scottish, English, Irish...let's call it British for now! :o)
LOOKING FOR NORFOLK WOMACKS. The Womack family which I suggest we research for the missing immigrant to Virginia, sometime 1607-73, was at that time centered in a rectangle of present day Norfolk about 15x22miles, bounded by the A47 from East Dereham to Norwich, the A140 from Norwich to Diss, the A1066 from Diss to Thetford, and the A1073 from Thetford back to East Dereham. Included therein are the known Womack hangouts of East Dereham, Great Ellingham, Quidenham, North and South Lopham, Fersfield, Hargham, Whinburgh, Mattishall and Attleborough. Also there are centers of related families at Talconeston (Browne), Gissing (Kemp), Hethersett and Fersfield again (Flowerdew), and Quidenham again (Keppel/Albemarle).
Looking for parantage of Jacob Womack, who, along with his wife Sarah Johnson
Womack, filed suit 1761 in Virginia against Sherwood Walton, Executor of Joseph
Looking for parantage of Nathan Womack, born 28 March 1746, Cumberland County, Virginia. Married Anna McGeHee 25 February 1775 Cumberland County. His parents are listed as William Womack and Sarah. But which William is that? There are just too many of them!
Would appreciate e-mail answers: firstname.lastname@example.org
Is there some one in Tennessee who does look ups? I am trying to find a marriage bond for my ggrandmother Martha Ann Womack and William B. Miller. I believe they were married in Bedford Co. in 1844. Also does anyone have any info on Martha, I think she was born in 1824 in Tn. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank You Glenda
I have cleaned up the message page, and removed all of the former junk. I
will be updating the archive files tomorrow.
I am looking for information on my grandmother's half-brother's and sisters,
and their mother, Drucilla Womack of AR. Drucilla Womack married Jeremiah Monroe
Shinkle (AKA "Jerry" and J.M.) in Independance County, Arkansas 10
November 1872. The marriage records shows their names as Jeremiah SHINGLES and
Drissilla WOOMACK. In 1880, they were living in Dallas County, AR. Drucilla left
Jeremiah taking the children with her. I have no idea why she left him or
anything about the children except for their names.
I thing that Drucilla was the daughter of John Wylie Womack and Mary A.V. Overby. But, I have found no confirmation of that yet.
Any help would be appreciated.
FOOTNOTES ABOUT THE EARLY WOMACKS. ONE. The Bishop. I'm still not 100% sure the Bishop didn't have other kids than the Anne buried near him, despite the fact that he made a nephew his heir in his will. He definitely had three wives. When he married Wife Three (Katherine Corbett) in 1670 he was a widower; when he married Wife Two (Anne Aylmer) in 1668 he also was a widower. (Extracts of the licenses for marriages two and three in "Publications of the Harleian Society", volume 24, pp. 105 and 112.) Wife One (Ann) was buried at Horringer in 1665; daughter Ann was christened 21 August 1665 (IGI, extracted from parish records) so she must be the daughter of his first wife - maybe she died in childbirth. Anyway the daughter was born when the Bishop was 53. So I'd say its quite possible the Bishop and Ann Wife One had other kids born earlier, maybe sons. So why didn't the Bishop leave his estate to them? Well I've discussed this before, but there might be lots of reasons. Maybe they had gone to the colonies; maybe he just didn't like them. (Does anyone know if he could have disinherited them without mentioning them in his will, which he didn't, and leaving them a shilling?) Or, how about this: they predeceased him! He died in 1686. Suppose he had a son who died, say before 1677, in the colonies? TWO. The Albemarles. According to the IGI (unfortunately, records submitted for ancestors, not extracted parish records) the Second Earl of Albemarle, William Anne von Keppel, had sons named Charles and Augustus.
I am looking for information on my Great Grandfather Willie Clark Womack
Born Dec. 6 1878 Died Feb. 17, 1957
Was married to Callie Grace Hayter
Born Apr.17, 1883 Died Nov. 16,1962
I am just beginning my search into my Womack line. Does anyone have any
information on a Geneva Delora Womack married a Shuford, had several children.
Children were(are) Howard, Amy Bell, Anna, A. G., there are more. Anybody connected to this line or have any info. Would really appreciate hearing from you. Thank You.
I am just begining my search on my womac/womack heritage. Leon womac/womack is my biological grandfather. I am unclear on the exact spelling though I know it's between these two. Leon was married to my granmother, they lived in the Fresno California area about 40-50 years ago and had a son Ronnie Leon Womac/womack who is my father. When my grandmother re-married, her new husband adopted my father changing his last name. I am 25 and have known this information for as far back as I can remember. I need to find this man or any links to him. I am desperate to know this part this part of my family. thanks.
Looking for MORRIS & SEWELL in Jeffersonville,Indiana 1900's to present time. Grandparents were William and Ethel Morris. Mother was Blanch Beatrice Morris Sewell.Aunt was Emma morris Mathes. Uncles Edward Morris, Mert Morris, William Jr. All were buried in Cemetary located near Graham st in Jeffersonville, Ind. Clark county-- cemetary presently not listed anywhere--Thank you for any info you may have.Phyllis Bradbury
David and all
On the Charles and Bishop Lawrence thing
Rather than post a lengthy thing here go to the URL above and
read - I think you will find an interesting post the year before
Anne was born to Anne and Bishop L.
I do not vouch for the accuracy of the data as it is IGI - am going to Ancestry to look also and will add as necessary.
oops on the URL for those of you who havent figgerd it out already
Sam. Thanks for the lead. The problem is, there were at least three Lawrence Womacks in the Norfolk area in 1664 who could be that 1664 father. One lived in Norwich, and had wife Ann. One was the Bishop's heir and nephew who was in Mautby and whose wife also was Ann. The third was the Bishop whose then wife was Ann; but both of the other Lawrences were closer to Burlingham than Horringer/Horningsheath in Suffolk where the Bishop was at the time. What all this means is that we really do have to go back to all the local records if we ever are to find The Immigrant (or Immigrants). Which leads to some comments. FIRST. We are looking for someone born at least as early as the guys we know for sure were in Henrico early, i.e Abraham, Richard and brothers, born say 1644-55. It's possible that as a group they were the immigrants. If not we need someone who could be their father born say 1600-25. That's why I think it's most likely we'll find the immigrant in the East Dereham/Norfolk/Diss/Thetford rectangle because that's where the Norfolk Womacks were concentrated 1600-50. Later, the same family spread out to include also the more easterly Norfolk Broads area - Mautby, Caister, Cantley, Burlingham (not to mention Womack Water). SECOND. As you suggest the IGI data can be very suspect especially if it is the stuff sent in for LDS Church purposes, since as they themselves say they do not check sources, and thus stuff like Charles Augustus gets in because someone picks up and passes along a bogus pedigree. NEVERTHELESS. It's possible the father Lawrence you found was Lawrence the Bishop which would prove he had sons born before his daughter. We'll just have to check it all out.
Not sure if I copied to the page, but the father of the 1664 Lawrence had a title DD. Methinks that is Doctor of Divinity; and the Lawrence that was the son had a BD which I am assuming is a Bachelor of Divinity..so........
Are we getting warm???
Sam, no you didn't post a page please do so. I'll check my records, but at least one guy, the Norwich one, was not a cleric at all. And of course there were so many of these guys the Burlingham one may be a 4th or 5th Lawrence of the day, but tally-ho! A public welcome back to you.
Well, I can find you a slightly earlier Laurence than Laurence the bishop - namely Laurence the bishop's father. Try the above link (which will hopefully work) - that particular info was from Cambridge U in England. I'd think, for instance that if the Laurence listed later on the page was really the son of Laurence the Bishop, they'd have noted it - but they didn't.
Monday, October 23, 2000 at 18:24:44 (PDT)
Methinks I had me generatikons off a bit, but combining what Anne has one her page on teh Cambridge Alumni and the IGI and Ancestry - here is what I come up with:
1 William Womack
...2 Arthur Womocke , buried June 18 1607
.....+Alice Rouse ?? b. unkn m. May 12, 1579 Hargham Eng d. May 8, 1602
.....3 Laurence Womocke (BD) Will May 23, 1653, proved Apr 26 1656
.......4 Laurence Womock(DD) (the Bishop), born May 12, 1612 age at dth 73 died Mar 12, 1685/6 another shows date of death Nov 7 1685
..........+second wife Anne d. abt 1665
............5 Anne Womock, b. abt 1665
..........+ third wife Katherine Corbett m. 1669
.......4 Arthur Womock
These two were there but who they belong to ???????
1 Hugh Womocke
...2 Henry Womocke b. abt 1566
I would like to announce that starting today Roger Womack will be helping me with the WGN website, and taking over many of the webmaster duties. It has been more than a little embarassing to have sections of the site fall so far behind and not have any significant updates for so long. I don't have as much time now as when I started the site. Given Roger's energy and track record, I asked him if he would be interested in helping out. He quickly volunteered, and for that I am most grateful. So, expect to see some much needed updates and cleaning. I ask that everyone give Roger their full cooperation. I'm still going to be around, but Roger is going to handle more of the day-to-day stuff.
Also, as always, if you have some information you think other researchers would be interested in, we are always looking for feature articles to add to the site. We've had many interesting submissions in the past, so send us your ideas.
And again, please congratulate Roger on his new duties! The WGN will be a better place for it!
REading your earlier info on ole Bishop Larry, I find that I did get one Anne
outta line - but that is nothing new -
What I would really like to address is your statement "Bishop Lawrence Womack was a brother-in-law of a Thomas Kemp of the Kemp family of Gissing Norfolk"
Getting into the finer points, for the Bishop to be a brother-in-law of
Thomas Kemp, he had to have married a sister of Kemp. For instance, my sister marries, that is my brother in law; I marry that is her sister-in-law; but
the two people we marry are not related in any sense. They just happen to be two people who married a brother and a sister. And, Yes, I know that society
does tend to lean towards the two being brother or sister-in-law.
Or, on the other hand, the Bishop had a sister that married Thomas Kemp.. I didnt see any name where the relationship came in..Womack-wise that is.
Sam, the way that one works is Thomas Kemp was married to Frances Corbett who was the sister of Katherine Corbett who was the Bishop's (third) wife.
First, let me say that it's really great that Roger will be helping out with running the site. Thanks to both Mark and Roger for the WGN! And I'm really glad we're trying to get these early English Womacks sorted out. Just a few stray comments. There were at least five 17th century Lawrences on Sam's list. And I see five on the "Womack of Mautby" pedigree from "Miscellanea Genealogica". About that. I think it should be on the WGN site. I don't possess the technology to post it but if I sent a paper copy to Roger or Mark could you guys get it on? Of course it may be wrong, too, which is why we have to search the primary sources. One interesting thing it does is place the Hugh and Henry that Sam mentioned. It shows Hugh as the son of the William of East Dereham and even more interesting it shows him (Hugh) as the father of Lawrence the father of the Bishop; in other words in Sam's list it would replace the "2 Arthur" with "2 Hugh". It shows those two, Hugh and Arthur, as brothers. The Cambridge Alumni data show it the way Sam shows it. It's not critical - at the moment anyway. The line would still go back to the East Dereham William Womacks. And finally on the Kemp connection Sam, whether or not you call them in-laws (I would and do) the only point I'm making is that there are family connections between the Womacks and a lot of other families from the same part of Norfolk (some of them prominent in both Norfolk and Colonial Virginia) which strengthens the circumstantial evidence that the Henrico Womacks may also have been part of the crowd who came from Norfolk to Virginia.
I have feelers out in Norfolk asking about the William mentioned - also any
thing on any Womack, spelling et al, the Blomefield (prob Bloomfield) connection
and the Corbet/Corbett connection - cross fingers, toes and eyes and mebbe some-
thing shows up - I have tried to find anything I can on Oxford to see if any there; but reach dead ends; too much hodgepodge there--Norfolk is pretty well set up--on the Brit GenWeeb and also GENUKI--havent delved into any other but
Yorkshire and it is so-so - will be working them evenings for awhile - sometime
ago I had a map of England with the concentration of Womacks as of about 1837, I think - I found it the other day, and will post that as a link to the other
on the Cambridge ones - It loads a bit slow tho - probably a tif or bmp - if I can get it jpg'ed will load better -
Mow if I get your wording below it would have
Arthur and Hugh
Arthur, Henry, Lawrence
Lawrence the bishop?
The the other Arthur , Robert an so on maybe sons of Arthur and Henry or
Lawrence for that matter--what a mess!! But, note so far no William?
Oh by the way, on the Scottish end of the name - have yet to find one Womack
in Scotland of any spelling - I still think if any were anywhere else in the British Isles - they were on their way out of there going somewhere else thru
either Ireland, Scotland or wales; hence the "they were from there" syndrome.
Just a quick note to say I think it is really GREAT that Roger will be helping Mark with WGN. He's a super guy and more than capable. I haven't checked in for quite awhile, been up to here with other stuff, but I see you are on the trail of the REAL immigrant again. I wish I could chuck all this other stuff and jump in there with you. David & Ann & all the rest, you are doing a great job. I have noticed in all these messages that the PUCKETT name has come up again. Of course we all know there are as many of them as WOMACK's, but I am still looking for a Mary "Polly" PUCKETT who married one of the jillion Abraham WOMACK's. Has anyone run across them? Supposedly, their son, Thomas is "my" Thomas. Just need to prove his dad. Keep up the good work everyone.
Is there any additional info available on the ancestry of Levi Womack who married Polly Ann Baker in Shelby Co., IL (1834)? I've been told that his parents were William and Rebecca Parker Womack, but have no proof of this relationship. From there on back the lineage is even less definitive.
Keith Elliott used to have a Womack and Puckett page on users.aol - I have
tried to access it recently and can no longer find it - he had oodles of both
there - mebbe if we can find him and get him interested here??
Oh, by the way Rog, how are you gonna balance work and genealogy now?? LOL
Just keep yer chin and other things up; you can do it!!!!
Sam. "Womack of Mautby" has: William, father of Hugh and Arthur; Hugh, father of Lawrence, Henry and others; Lawrence, father of Bishop Lawrence and others. In other words the direct line goes William-Hugh-Lawrence-Lawrence. In this pedigree William has a father William whose father also was William. And in Hugh's others there also is a William. That makes four Williams in five generations and they are all given as "of East Dereham". Apparently you couldn't be called William unless you stayed in East Dereham.
All these messages on our origins lately remind me of one of my rare opportunities to think about our genealogy. I ran into a Louisiana Womack recently, who referred to his family's legend of all of the American Womacks' origins. He said that we all stem from twin brothers who emigrated here. I have never heard that before, but all our family traditions didn't make it to me. Just a thought that I had as I read of all the Hughs and Henrys, etc. I do feel fortunate enough just to scan the messages regularly. I hope the day will come when I too can spend more of my time on this subject. Thank you all so much. Karin Wammack.
Thankee fer the nice disseratation!! LOL now my dang pedigree shot to all git out!
Now I want you to take a good look at this - the plot thickens..
I have nothing on the descendants of this couple. I have details about
Katharine's ancestors. She was the dau of Clement and Elizabeth (Kemp)
Corbett and was baptised 30 Jul 1624 at St Mary in the Marsh, Norwich.
Clement was descended from the Corbetts of Sprowston which family has been
traced back to 1465.
One of the sons of this line signed the death warrant of Charles I and is
referred to as Miles Corbett the Regicide.
No one has contacted me about the descendants of Lawrence Womack - sorry I
can be of so little help. I find my work cut out tracing the Corbetts and
reply on other researchers supplying me with details of descendants on the
Them Kemps rear they heads agin!! And it looks like Katharine was not exactly of child bearing age when she and Larry married..
But y'all know sumpin?? We are gittin sumwheah now!!
Now if ah kin jest git an ansah on them Blomefields! then will try Rouse
looking for inf on my great grandfather Lindsey (rilley) foster born in pocahantus, va. around 1890 he was a coal miner in southwest, va. he died in earlier 1960 aprox. thank you
ok, this is a longshot..im just starting out on my womack research and maybe
some of you might know something :) , my father was james bjorgvinn womack(b.
1952, d. 1999), im not sure of his father's name, but the father was married to
a groa bjorgvinnsdottir from iceland, they moved from iceland to new york in mid
1952, im not sure how my grandmother met my grandfather( he was supposedly irish,
but we all know the uk womack confusion), but i don't think he was from iceland.
my grandfather died years before i was born, and with my father also passed and
not seeing my grandmother in a long time, i have no clue as to how to go about
this. i was just wondering if anyone had ever known of a womack married to a
groa as it is such an uncommon name. also, i am trying to find if anyone knows (
another longshot) a joy and chris womack ( possibly, if the names havent been
changed ) from seattle, they are my half siblings that i have never met. they
would be around their early 20's. thanks fellow womacks!
Perhaps some correspondence with this person might help you if she is still on line under this mail addy:
Research: Iceland > Greenland;
Thanks everyone for your support. Did a little update on the WGN homepage, we
will be adding new articles soon. Lee Ann Womack, is our new feature article
temporarily, we need some new feature articles. James Garner has been moved to
recent feature articles. May, June, July, and August messages have been moved to
the archives. August is also still on the current message page. We need your
help with some new feature articles, source articles, announcements, reunions,
etc. Iíll be updating the WGN members list as fast as I can. Also need to know
who wants their Womack related home pages listed on Womack links, I did a couple
updates there and got rid of some dead links, Suggestions will be appreciated,
We need WGN success stories to update our success stories page. Thanks
Congrats Cousin Roger!!! I look forward to seeing the changes and updates to
the WGN. AND to Mark, we have missed you, and we appreciate all the work you did
in getting the WGN up & running. Without you, this page wouldn't even exist.
Well, I've been having a little fun again. I was playing with the website for
the Public Records Office in England and typed in Womack and several variations
to see what would pop up. Nice to see that the English Womacks in the late 1600s
were just as prone to lawsuits as the Virginia ones! Seriously, there are
several lawsuits listed there in the records. No idea if anything useful would
come of someone trotting through them. I also didn't check to see if the LDS had
those on microfilm. They ranged from things like a cause of action against a
butcher named Womocke for failing to fill a contract to mysterious things merely
listed as Womock vs. Womock. http://www.pro.gov.uk/ is the public records
I did, however, check to see if the LDS has the East Dereham parish records on microfilm. They do. As well as a volume of extracts from the records. I can track down the film numbers if anyone wants. Apparently, any Womack wills from that parish in that era would be at the Norfolk Record Office, but may also be on film at the LDS listed under the Manor records - East Dereham had 3 Manors, the Parish Manor is the most likely to have Womacks given that the Womacks were the rectors!
There was also a Womack's general store in East Dereham in the mid 1800s, if anyone is interested. Nice to know they stuck around for 200 years! The records for the general store are at another British Archives anyway - the British Historical Manuscripts collection, I think it was called.
Happy hunting! Ann
Ann and everybody. I have made my winter project to look through all the parish records for the Womack towns/villages in Norfolk. Am starting with Dereham, the Lophams, Quidenham (and also the Bishop's places in Suffolk). Will do them all I hope but as I said before others also should try because two (or more) heads are better than one.
The txt is great, what are the specific references?
I have tried this PRO thang and get no where..how do
you do it? Secret we dont know??
I am,have always been,and always be a WOMACK - take that any way you want.
Ok, I stuck the PRO link under homepage so that you can link to it from this
message. From there, go to the bottom of the page where it says "Visit our
online catalogue" and click on the little underlined link that says
"Find out More". Then, from there, at the top of the page, click on
search the catalogue - enter Womack or Womock or whatever variation you want.
Then search. You will get a page that says (more or less) "nothing
found" BUT! THEN click on "Search Documents" THAT will find the
documents with the Womacks in them. The first "nothing found" is for
whole classes of documents.
Each of the documents will have a specific title, some of them have dates, some of them merely note under the reign of what king this took place. I think that there must have been....oh....20 for the 3or 4 Womack variations I looked up in the 1580-1714 era.
Now, also note that you can't search for Womack AND Womock AND Womocke - that will get you nowhere - this particular engine doesn't have the ability to change those ANDs to ORs which is what you want to do that (or at least I didn't see an obvious way to do it). So, you have to run a search for every variation you want.
I still haven't checked to see if the LDS has those films, I rather suspect not, but I'll check later. Apparently, if someone was drifting past the PRO in England they could look those old lawsuits up. The old wills from Norfolk aren't at the PRO, they are at the regional level, apparently - they'd be in the Norfolk Records Office. I think. I still get a little confused about that, but that's where I'm told those records would be. That's actually what I was looking for when I was putzing around, I was trying to see if there was an index to old Norfolk wills. Haven't found one, which isn't to say there isn't one, just that in putzing around I didn't find one! Ann
Question for ann.
Which county was the butcher womack lawsuit in? If in Wakefield I know where the Womack butchers is and my friend lives there as it has been converted to a house.
Also I have a photo of the Womack general store (somewhere - I do wish I was organised)!
Jan, well, it says the lawsuit was " Class Title Court of Chancery: Six
Clerks Office: Early Proceedings, Richard II to Philip and Mary
Piece/Item Title John PROCTOUR v. John WOMOCKE, butcher.: Refusal to complete a sale of a messuage and land in Fenton, formerly of Anthony Thorney, gentleman.: NOTTS. "
That help? Ann
Last call for input for Thomas and Louvisa.
Nov 15 is closeout for inputs, text or photos.
August messages have been moved to the archives.
Monday, October 30, 2000 at 17:48:51 (PST)
Ann and everybody. There is an index to the Norfolk wills - you can find its LDS film number under Norfolk probate records in the LDS catalog. I'm ordering it plus 11 volumes of the wills themselves for Womack wills I already know dates of.