July 2000 Message Archive

Saturday, July 01, 2000 at 09:05:05 (PDT)
James Sergeant

I am a descendant of Abner Womack, son of William "Big Billy" Womack. Are there any active researchers out there working this family line? Found one who is a descendant of Solomon Womack. At least 4 of Big Billy's sons appear to have served in Civil War as I've seen references to these 4 being killed in the war. Thanks.

Sunday, July 02, 2000 at 10:31:58 (PDT)
Roger Womack

This is what I have gathered on the Woomack spelling, don't know how correct this line is but a place to start looking.

1. Richard9 Woomack (John Wylie8 Womack, Andrew A.7, Richard Mansel6, David5, Richard4, Richard3, Richard2, William1) was born August 1870 in Louisiana. He married Georgiana Hopper Abt. March 10, 1896 in Dallas Co., Arkansas?. She was born November 1875 in Arkansas.

Notes for Richard Woomack:
1900 Census; Nix Township, Dallas Co., Arkansas

aka; Georgia Reddin

Children of Richard Woomack and Georgiana Hopper are:
2 i. Laura10 Woomack, born April 1897.
+ 3 ii. Albert Woomack, born June 07, 1898 in Arkansas.
4 iii. Bertha Woomack, born November 1899.

Generation No. 2

3. Albert10 Woomack (Richard9, John Wylie8 Womack, Andrew A.7, Richard Mansel6, David5, Richard4, Richard3, Richard2, William1) was born June 07, 1898 in Arkansas.

Child of Albert Woomack is:
5 i. James W.11 Woomack.

Sunday, July 02, 2000 at 11:14:29 (PDT)
Benita Woods

I am searching for members of my fathers family. Lilly Fay Mantooth,husband Raymond Womack and daughter Deliluh Sue Womack. I would like to contact Deliluh.

Sunday, July 02, 2000 at 13:48:08 (PDT)
Carolyn Powell

I came across a Census a few minutes ago that has left me somewhat bewildered.
The 1860, Schuyler County, IL, Brooklyn Township, Reel #M653-228, page #, 1 bk
has the following information. WORMACK/WOMACK, Jacob, age 40, M, Birthplace: TN, his wife Nancy, age 40, also b TN, their children: Rosetta, 16; Mary E., 14;
Buckner, 12; Catharine, 9; Josephus,7 and John L. 4 (all born in IL)

Here goes. This Jacob was born the same year as my Jacob (Headstone says 1820)even though other sources have stated his birth year was 1819. My Jacob stated on several census records that he was born in TN even though other sources said he was b in IL and was the son of Green & Mary "Polly" Wallace. This has always been confusing to me, because all of Green's other children were born in IL.

Who is this Jacob that fits so closely to documented information I have re mine?
Is this the son of Buckner? I know he lived in IL.

I have found nothing to show that my Jacob was not married to Lurene Baugher and then my Melissa Jane Althiser, but boy is this confusing.


Monday, July 03, 2000 at 07:57:12 (PDT)
Roger Womack

Carolyn, thank you for your post, I didn't have their children. I do have this Jacob sp Nancy Mason as the son of Buckner, son of Alexander. Maybe your Jacob (supposed son of Green) didnt want everyone to know where he was from. My wife worked the 2000 census this year and I can tell you, "using census info as proof is a joke", a tool yes. but people lie, tell stories for what ever reason. They had less appreciation for the census back then than folks do today. Just saying you had Indian blood may have been your ticket for a free march West. So folks just didn't tell the facts.

Monday, July 03, 2000 at 12:23:45 (PDT)
Carolyn Powell


Thanks for the reply. I just found out the other Jacob, husband of Nancy Mason and son of Buckner was apparently b 4 Jul 1821. Still can't convince me that mine "lied" about being born in TN.....he stayed in MO even though his brother and two of his own children went west. I lived in FL all but two years of my life before moving to NC in 1990, and guess the "Show Me" state I was born in, had a little input too! The birthplace is probably just another thing that I'll never figure out.

Monday, July 03, 2000 at 16:11:14 (PDT)
Ann McDonald

Well, there is lying and there is being wrong. You don't know who in the household gave the information to the census taker. It could simply be that someone was...wrong! And the farther away from the date of the occurance, the more likely it is to be wrong - classically this is the case where you have 12 kids in a family, and in say the 1880 census, 4 say Dad was born in NC, 4 say SC, 3 say GA and one says Scotland. Or, let's say you have 6 kids, 2 born in NC the rest in TN, and when they ask whoever is giving the census, they just don't remember that two were b. TN, or which 2 were b. in TN. You get all sorts of weird answers in the census - my own personal favorite is Great-Uncle Olen being transformed into Great-Aunt Ellen by someone who CLEARLY didn't catch what was being told to them!

Monday, July 03, 2000 at 21:43:32 (PDT)
Robert E. Womack Moore

Found this marriage: Samuel Womack married Susan A. Farrish 25 November 1837 by Mason Williams. In Morgan County, Kentucky. Hope this helps someone. Bob

Tuesday, July 04, 2000 at 08:03:04 (PDT)
Carolyn Powell


Got it! The funniest thing about all of this, is my Mother still says that the Womacks were from KY. She said her mother, Annie Leona Womack Novey, daughter of Jacob, told them that Jacob was three years old when his family came over from Scotland and settled in KY. This is what I started with when I first began researching the Womacks. Funny thing about it all is that it could be just as true as whatever else I've seen.

Tuesday, July 04, 2000 at 13:42:23 (PDT)
Ann McDonald

Well, trolling the Library of VA for patents that mention Womacks has only turned up 2 so far - Puckett patents - one from 1682 and one from 1698. My method so far has been to search for pre-1700 patents from known neighbors of the Womacks in Henrico Co. If someone was to actually go to the Library of VA to look at the films, I'd recommend reading the films in chronological order. Ah well, more to look at - I'll post 'em if I find 'em Ann

Tuesday, July 04, 2000 at 15:23:54 (PDT)

Go to me home page at above URL, click on the message board thang - and read the SOAP BOX and, PLEASE leave comments and helpful hints for others--OK--we need a bit more input on this stuff - but dont want to take away from the intent of this page either;hence, the other for suggestions for research, gripes, pie in the face, etc--keep the data here - the personalities on the SOAP BOX OK?? It will be up and running in a day or so---y'all visit now y'heah?

Wednesday, July 05, 2000 at 20:21:52 (PDT)

Roger sed the previous URL didnt work so try this one; however, if ye aint gone leave no message or words of wisdom, then dont use it!

Thursday, July 06, 2000 at 06:21:39 (PDT)
Bonnie L Womack

Well the worst thing possible that could have happened has happened. My hard drive died with most of my contact list. They are trying to revive it. Luckily I had backed up the tree to floppy before this happened, however I have lost my entire contact list along with Roger's Web site. Could you all please resend information that I have received from you all in the past 3 weeks. Thank you!!!!!

By the way, I have found some Minnesota Womacks (Wommack). I am trying to get in touch with them. It again has not been easy. They seem to be a little tight lipped.

Thursday, July 06, 2000 at 15:11:45 (PDT)

What Womack aint a bit tight lipped?? Some more'n others.
You in Rogers AR, huh..Daisy BB's and all that?

Thursday, July 06, 2000 at 20:40:25 (PDT)
Ray Bryan Womack I

For years I've tried to teach folks who receive my data that I compiled, to
give credit where due, same applies to blame. At least the name of the person
who created the data should stay with the data.
I just read a few of your messages under queries and reconized data that came
from me with out my name being attached. Those who did this was requested to
leave my name on the data. No need for me to name names, as they know who
they are. Appears there is no honor among genealogy gleaners as well as
Ray Bryan Womack I

Friday, July 07, 2000 at 05:23:06 (PDT)
Bonnie L Womack

Reference to comment on tight lipped in Arkansas. Had the opportunity to visit with the mayor in Rogers. He happens to be one of our Kin that came from the Fort Smith area. He happens to look like my spouse's uncle's twin. I have some contact with him at Chamber functions but he seems to be a little hoity toity to me. He doesn't have time to discuss us Womacks.

My specialized area of Womacks are from Illinois. They are now referred to here in Arkansas as ?#&* Yanks. I am tryin to clarify with folks here that we are not what they think we are. If you would like I can send a copy of what I have gotten from my family search in Illinois. That may fill out a piece of the puzzle for you.

Hopefully our Rogers kin will have more time when his term is up as mayor to get back to me on what he knows about the Womacks. Don't hold your breath on that one though Sam. It may be awhile.

Friday, July 07, 2000 at 14:05:07 (PDT)
Ann McDonald

LOL! Heck, I'll give credit where credit is due in case I haven't done so lately. With the exception of the family of Abraham Womack/Martha Mitchell and Martha ? and their offspring; Mansel's - which my own line which I've done quite a bit of work on myself and David's - which is Miles Womack's line and he and his kin have done all the work on the David line and it's related work back on Abraham - virtually all my information on the Womacks that I give out around here comes from "Descendants of William Womack and Mary Jane Allen" by Carlos U. Womack. Carl is my cousin - well 2nd cousin once removed - descended from the Mansel line as well. In the years since I've put the first 7 generations of his book on computer, I've made additions and corrections, and as per his request, I can answer on-line questions about it and give his version of lines to questioners, but he firmly does NOT want this thing uploaded anywhere. He does not like the services that carve this database into stone and never let you correct or add things later (I agree with that, BTW having fought that battle early on with the LDS ancestral file). Two people have copies of this database, one down the road from Carl (Carl doesn't have a computer, dear soul), and someone else (who saved my bacon one day when my computer trashed everything in sight and I had just mailed him a backup copy - ah the days before easy Zip backups!) And they are all sworn to the same rules about giving out info, updating it, and not uploading it. 7 generations runs most of his lines out to the Civil War, so it seemed like a reasonable place for the database to take a rest. The database actually has some lines (like mine) all the way down to today. His book actually takes some lines out 10 or so more generations down to today.

To answer other possible questions - no, Carl doesn't have any books for sale. No, Carl is not actively researching right now. Yes, the DAR has an earlier edition in their library. Yes, the FHL has an earlier edition on micro-whatever they can lend out. The edition I have (which is likely the last in print from about 10 years ago) runs to 7 thick 3 ring binders. No, not all lines are followed. And no, this is not the holy grail, there are additions and corrections and assumptions made - which is partly the reason for his rule on not uploading the thing.

I very very occasionally will pull out a line from a thing by Dempsey Monroe Kemp that I have around here, which is maybe 50+ years old and pretty flawed except for some documentary notes. And of course there is a pile of primary documents for my own line and other stray primary sources around. Other than that, I try to note what source I'm quoting from - which is generally a good practice anyway.

Friday, July 07, 2000 at 18:39:21 (PDT)
David Dunn

Ann. Actually, I don't think the DAR does have a copy of Carlos's book. I wish they did. But I've never found it there, and it's not in the online catalog. Too bad it's so bulky or else someone could try to get Carlos to give them a copy.

Friday, July 07, 2000 at 21:47:29 (PDT)
Ann McDonald

I could have sworn they had a copy. Someone around here does! Let me look at the catalogs.....ok, it's not the DAR, I don't think it's the Library of Congress, it's not the Library of VA. Well, heck, I'll have to see by running a search on a big database. I know I've seen it someplace other than the FHL. Carl doesn't have any copies left, so trying to get one from him is pretty helpless. I actually got my copy by getting another cousin of mine to go pick it up, as Carl didn't want to mail it - too much trouble - and it was his last copy so he didn't really want to part with it. I swapped that cousin a quilt for her trouble! LOL! Some times it helps to come from a tree with long branches! LOL!

Saturday, July 08, 2000 at 07:37:19 (PDT)
J Beverly

I am looking for information about Abram James Womack, born 1814, died 1860 near Apple Springs, Texas. He was apparently known as "Indian Abe." I am attempting to establish if he was of native american ancestry. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks J. Beverly

Saturday, July 08, 2000 at 10:18:22 (PDT)

I have just completed finding, and am uploading, some Womack or Womack related links that I have found on the net; as well as some Womack place name info.
I will be adding links as I find and can get them up there.

If you visit the links, and find some good data on the name. Please post it here for all of us - this will give some of you, who do not search much, some experience in searching. All you have to do is double click the links or the highlighted text shown..then find the Womacks, copy and share!
Sound simple enough?? It is!!

Saturday, July 08, 2000 at 10:40:47 (PDT)
Ray Bryan Womack I

The last I knew, you can find Carlos' Book at a LDS Mormon Church Library.
It is/was on microfilm or disc and had to be ordered in. You can obtain a
copy from them on request.
There's a fellow in Ca who did this, can't remember his name off hand and I
commuicated with him way back when by USPS for a long time. I'll try to locate
him in my files and share with anyone interested.
Ray Bryan

Saturday, July 08, 2000 at 21:26:19 (PDT)

From what I have heard(I havent seen the book), the book is to be used as is the LDS IGI - as a clue giver with a grain of salt and a lotta hope and prayer. Havent heard enough about it that it should be taken as a "holy grail" for Womack research...Also appears to me that a person who had gaps in their research, would applaud those who want to carry on her/his work. And, appreciate them amending it with corrected and up to date info - as well as connecting new lines. To do otherwise would deflate the work they, as well as that of others, have done. That would be quite stingy and selfish to say the least....

Sunday, July 09, 2000 at 13:31:41 (PDT)
bill ocain

searching for ocain family, my line of ocains are george g ocainlived in camden.ms, john h ocain lived in ar,corrie ocain lived in lonoke,ar,bill ocain lives in lonoke,ar. any info will be appreciated,thanks.

Monday, July 10, 2000 at 07:37:06 (PDT)
Steve Womack

I attended the Womack Family reunion in Warren County, TN yesterday. It was the first I have attended in over 30 years. Less than 30 people were there but we had a great time and saw some Womacks I had not seen in many years and made some new friends as well. A number of people are actively working on the family history but do not use the Internet. Towards the end of the meeting, a discussion was held on the future of the association. Sinse most of the attendees were older and the attendance has decreased over time, there is some thought on discontinuing the group. This would be very sad as they have met continously sinse 1954. Hopefully, more can attend in the future as this group is an integral part of Womack family history.

Monday, July 10, 2000 at 18:02:59 (PDT)

Can you imagine the excitement and emotions of seeing a photo of a great grandpa that we have been searching for his whereabouts after no contact about 110 years ago?? Well, a few minutes ago I did just that!! My mother's grandfather who she never knew - I was sent a photo of him by an unk that went
to a family reunion in OK where he and others of the "lost" family lived...a photo of my grandpa's oldest half brother and wife - and another of a living grandson and first cousin to my mum!! Wow!! Isnt genealogy Great???

Monday, July 10, 2000 at 18:41:13 (PDT)
Donald Mason

According to information i have William & Lucretia Taylor Womack was in Jackson Co. Al. 1870 with 9 Children. The oldest Elizabeth S. Womack was not living with them at this time. I believe in 1867 She married John Taylor Mason In Jackson Co. then John & Elizabeth Moved to the Montgomery Co. Al. Area & William & Lucretia Moved back to Calhoun Co. Where William Died in 1900. I am looking for someone to give me help on this. I would be greatfull for any information on this Family. Thanks

Monday, July 10, 2000 at 21:12:31 (PDT)
samuel bowman jr,
bowman sammy@aol.com

looking for marrige licenes for samuel bowman jr, and teresa brandenburg lou, ky, 1976.

Tuesday, July 11, 2000 at 06:56:26 (PDT)
Nicole Wingate

David Womack
m. (?)
Nancy Womack 4/13/1808-9/8/1889
m. (circa.1829) Nathan Henry Shelfer 5/14/1804, NC-12/24/1880, FL
They lived in the Gadsden Co. are...
If you can give any info please contact.

Tuesday, July 11, 2000 at 07:11:13 (PDT)
Stephen Womack

Hi, looking for any information on James Thomas Womack and/or William Wesley womack of Hardin County, Illinois. Really interested in the children James and his wife Sarah Taylor had after 1880.

Tuesday, July 11, 2000 at 18:31:10 (PDT)

If anyone can help Stephen on the Womack/Taylor thing and you answer via e mail and not here - pls cc me on the mail - these are Thomas and Louvisa people methinks and I need any an all data on that bunch - Roger and a few others have bared their souls on this line - others can do same--thankee

Tuesday, July 11, 2000 at 21:47:01 (PDT)
Kathy Counts-Biggs

Could any Womack family tell me about an elusive Grandfather of mine?
His name is Tignal Archey Womack. He came from Kentucky, and fought in the Civil War. My Great Grandmother is his daughter, Jesten Womack. He was supposed to have been thought dead after the war, and ended up starting a new family in Texas unbeknownst to his family in Kentucky. Although it may never be known why he decided to do that, he is still Grandpa. Can anyone tell me something about him? Please e-mail me at kat_biggs@hotmail.com. Would appreciate any help you can give.

Wednesday, July 12, 2000 at 07:46:48 (PDT)
Roger Womack

Stephen, this is a Thomas and louvisa line I just don't have any of John Thomas Womack's children. Listed here is parents and siblings. I do have more on other siblings descendants and info on others researching this line. get in touch.

Abraham Womack, Jr. was born 1810 in Rutherford Co., North Carolina, and died 1856 in Hardin Co., Illinois. He married Elizabeth Shewmaker November 27, 1831 in Pope Co., Illinois. She was born 1811.

Children of Abraham Womack and Elizabeth Shewmaker are:
i. Louvisa Womack, born 1834 in Hardin Co., Illinois; died 1911.
ii. William Wesley Womack, born August 27, 1836 in Hardin Co., Illinois; died November 16, 1920 in Karbers Ridge, Hardin Co., Illinois.
iii. Ella E. Womack, born 1837 in Hardin Co., Illinois; died 1911. She married Whitney Pilot.
iv. Abraham Isaac Womack, born June 13, 1838 in Hardin Co., Illinois; died 1941 in Karbes Ridge, Hardin Co., Illinois.
v. Martha Minerva Womack, born June 28, 1842 in Hardin Co., IL; died June 07, 1879 in Hardin Co., IL.
vi. Nancy S. Womack, born 1843; died 1918.
vii. Celia Malinda Womack, born July 01, 1846 in Pope Co., Illinois; died August 22, 1926 in Hardin Co., Illinois.
viii. Lewis Joshua Womack, born 1848; died 1878. He married Martha Sutton.
ix. James Thomas Womack, born November 10, 1849 in Hardin Co., Illinois; died December 26, 1893. He married Sarah Taylor; born Abt. 1855.
x. Abner C. Womack, born 1854; died 1877.
xi. Sarah J. Womack, born 1855.

Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 13:37:01 (PDT)
Jeanie Hill

Hi there, I've not been here in a while due to raising 2 small grandchildren again. But I was just wondering if any of you other Womack researchers have ever come across a Womack Polish line? My grandfather, Berton Womack, always said that his Womack's were of Polish Blood. But I have never been able to find any link at all. Has anyone else ever heard this in their family history?

Just wondering?

Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 16:51:25 (PDT)
Roger Womack

Growing up I was told "Womack" was probably or Chech or Polish. At this point I would say we’re probably of English extraction. My Grandfather E.E. Womack, always said he was part Black Dutch, later I found his mothers’ ancestors were German, African/American and Lumbee Indian. At this point I can assume the Dutch part is in error. My mothers’ line was Caucasian, Costillian, and Indian. Sure wish I could claim some Cherokee here, but probably just another non-recognized tribe. I would guess us Womack’s can claim about anything we want. The Womack’s have been here in America for about 350 years, give or take a few. I would guess we have a good mix of ethnic backgrounds. The good news is I have not found one Womack yet claiming to belong to some pure-blood right-wing organization. If there is one out there he’s one of the "slightly advanced" ones we don’t want to claim anyway. So Jeanie, are you Polish? I have some good jokes.
Just kidding, Your Cuz

Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 18:32:05 (PDT)

Womacek is Czech - a similar name - Novak or Novack is Polish and can be as mistaken for Womack as Weymouth and Wilmoth were in the past -- Womachka is a, I think, Polish name and only three people, at last known count, exist with that last name in either IA or NE as I remember - need to prob pull some notes - there was one lady who said her ancestor was an Earl of Edinburgh, meaning Scots, who was beheaded in the 1300's and the rest of the Family fled to Holland - there is a Womack in England whose grandgfather migrated to England from Holland - I have found a Womack, born in 1899 in Berlin GE--WE have heard, from many sources, that three brothers came to America from Scotland, but not one dang shred of evidence that a Womack ever lived in Scotland or migrated from there; unless he fled from England and caught the boat there...the BEST evidence points to merry auld England and I will stick with that until someone can come up to me with a ton of paper and tell me my 90th great grandpa was something from somewhere and the paper proves it..
Same thing with Native American lines - it is quite natural that some Womacks married Native Americans - and nothing wrong with that - but for any Womack to claim 100% Native American is stupid, cause if he or she has one drop of Womack in them it aint 100% pure NA!! you can breed down, but never get rid of that one drop of NA, or breed up and never get rid of that one drop of Womack -
The only pure blood NA Womack would be from an adoption!! So lets quit kidding ouselves, and our descendants/other relatives - what we hear aint so - We Womacks are a Heinz 157 buncha people and we oughta be dang pround of it!!

Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 19:19:01 (PDT)


I would like to add to your good news that I have never met a Womack claiming to belong to some pure-blood left-wing organization. :) doris

Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 19:29:08 (PDT)
Ann McDonald

Roger, by "Dutch" they probably meant German - Deutsch. Black Dutch is more interesting - that shows up in the south and often turns out to mean tri-racial. I have a family in Arkansas said to be Black Dutch, and they could have landed by UFO for all I can trace them. They are one of my deadest dead-ends.

Now, as to the Native American thing - I can take a fairly good guess as to why someone would think that Womack was itself a NA name. Take a look at the map of VA, and check out the coastal VA places named with NA names. You've got Potomacs, Accomacks, etc. Lots of names ending in omac or omock or some variation. Given a lack of documentation for an immigrant, it doesn't take much to hazard a guess that maybe they were natives. It's probably not a CORRECT guess, but it's probably where the guess came from.

My sister's in-laws, OTOH, are Czech, and their best guess was that the Womack side of our family was Womacek and that we had Czechs up the family tree (my nephew is named for a Womack ancestor, so the name came up in conversation as to why he had this odd name). Nope. That's about the one ethnicity that doesn't show up in my family until now!

Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 19:45:42 (PDT)

Black Dutch,Schwartze deutsch, same as white trash in the south - all white, mebbe a lil other mixed in, but poah white trash is the best explanation of Black Dutch...however, we all know different than that wont we?

Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 20:45:27 (PDT)
Dana Balkum

I have just in the past 2 days found a Womack link to my husband's family. I have an Emily WOMACK that married Edward Vinson VINZANT. They moved in the mid 1850's from Smith County, Mississippi to San Saba County, Texas. My husband descends from their daughter Amanda VINZANT who married Joshua Manuel Montaville MCCARTY. Any information would be appreciated. Thank you for your time. Dana Balkum, Lockhart, Texas.

Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 22:03:31 (PDT)
Jeanie Hill

Well, glad to see you can still get a rousing conversation going here! LOL And as for the Black Dutch, that is folks of German descent because my father was Cherokee and Black Dutch. The Seabolt name is a German name and they were considered Black Dutch. 2 German brothers came to America in 1754 on the ship Friendship. They landed in Pennsylvania and some of their children migrated to Tennessee by way of North Carolina where they married into the Cherokee Nation.But they inter-married with the Cherokee to the point that we've lost most of the German blood and most of us now have more Cherokee blood than anything else.
But like you said Sam, that make us Womack's a bunch of Heinz 57's. *grin* But thats alright cause that just makes us more interesting! LOL

But just for the record...my Mother is the Womack and I have traced 3 of her 4 family lines and all of them have traced back to England. So this particular bunch of Womack's seemed to stick with their own kind. Anyway, might explain why my mother's grandfather didn't want her to married my father who was the Cherokee Indian? Guess that dark skin scared them! LOL

Keep up the good work everyone and I'll try to remember to check back more often!

Friday, July 14, 2000 at 06:43:00 (PDT)

I have never heard of German entering into the picture in our line until the later years. I have often been told by my father in law that they were of English/Welch descent and not German. However I have not been able to document this. As far as Indian entering into our line it came via my mother in law not through our section of the Womacks.

I have brought all the mixes into this section with being of German, Jewish, English and Canadian French descent. It should add some spice to the family down the road.

I will try to contact Aunt Iris and see if I can verify any of the comments. My understanding is she has the family bible.

Friday, July 14, 2000 at 09:36:06 (PDT)
Annette Sterling Smith

Trying to find my uncle/cousin. Last address known - Hartford, Conn.

Uncle's name - Nehemiah Wynter
Cousin's name - Joyce Wynter Baugh.

Friday, July 14, 2000 at 17:46:38 (PDT)
Donald Mason

From Paul Van Voorthuijsen
The term 'Black' Dutch came from the fact that these people were wearing black clothing as a mark of the religion, usually of the 'reformed' church,they belonged to. I believe you have the 'Amish' in the US today, which wear similar habit.

Regards, Paul

Friday, July 14, 2000 at 23:02:13 (PDT)

Found the following:




Lawrence Womack 1683




Lawrence Womack 1683

Saturday, July 15, 2000 at 13:07:11 (PDT)

I have posted around a 100 names, picked sorta at random, of descendants of
Thomas and Louvisa that have missing data. Would like ALL WOMACK researchers
to take a good look and see if you can add anything; or, offer a correction
to any data shown - click on the URL above to go there - and, by the way, this
is not just a for grabs situation; it is a "feeler" to gather info. Otherwise, I
will be working this by serious, direct to me, E mail inquiries/offerings only--no forum nor forwarded mail accepted...

Saturday, July 15, 2000 at 15:37:06 (PDT)

Sam, I hope you got the information I sent. I have been having a little problem with getting email out to you. Let me know if you receive the file I sent today. It has most of the pieces for my line. Except for 2 uncles who will not give me updates on their families.

Sunday, July 16, 2000 at 18:19:15 (PDT)
Carolyn Winstryg

I am looking for information on Nancy Womack born 1823 in Mississippi. She married Malachi Trafton and they moved to Texas between 1840 and 1850.
They had about six children. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you

Sunday, July 16, 2000 at 18:34:40 (PDT)

Y'all can also leave info on Thomas and Louvisa on me message board on the homepage above....so get that info comin in -

Sunday, July 16, 2000 at 19:24:01 (PDT)
Janice Shepherd

Re: "Injun Abe"
My grandmother, Mattie Womack, used to tell me about "Injun Abe" when I was a girl. She grew up on the Womack family plantation in Apple Springs, and "Injun Abe" (Abraham James Womack) was her grand-
father. My grandmother told me that he was 1/2 Indian. She carried a paper until the day she died saying that she was of Choctaw blood, and often spoke of it. My mother says that the family story she heard was that the original indian boy was adopted by a white family and later married the daughter of the family. I can't equate that story
with the records that I have found, as the wives last names are always different than the husbands. I have also heard the indian boy married a neighbor. If anyone else has heard a family legend about this I would like to know....with all the grandchildren there should be lots of stories and perhaps if they overlap we can search in a certain

Monday, July 17, 2000 at 05:37:43 (PDT)

Lets see if I can get this straight and put it out to you all in a diferent context than with actual names.

Girl 1 and Boy 1 get married - they are said to be cousins - to what number we dont know.

Boy 2 son of Girl 1 and Boy 1, marries Girl 2, also said to be his cousin.
So here is where our preplexion starts -

If boy2 and Girl 2 are first cousins, then their mothers would have to be sisters-or the father of Boy2 and mother of girl2 are sibs--only way to get a first cuz outta this--

If Boy 1 and Girl 2 are second cousins - then the mother of Girl2 and the father of either Girl 1 or Boy 1 are siblings -

However, we know that the mother of Boy2 and the mother of Girl2 are not siblings. That leaves thru the fathers line..of Boy2...where this relationship is. Or that of Girl 1.

Either way we know that the line of Girl2 and Boy2 are closely connected somewhere in time. More close than we realize; but, what is the connection?
Your thoughts??

Monday, July 17, 2000 at 20:40:00 (PDT)

I am looking for information on Janie Womack, who married William f. Kilgore. Janie was born June 10,1871, and died Oct.1941. She is buried in Falls county.
I was told that her father's name was Daniel, only I don't know anything about her mother. I am hoping that someone out there might have her in their information. Thanks for all the information I hope to get.

Tuesday, July 18, 2000 at 05:24:41 (PDT)

What State? T'would be helpful!!

Tuesday, July 18, 2000 at 13:55:39 (PDT)

Sorry about not saying what state. As for as I know Texas. they may have been in other states, only what info was given to me was in Texas. This is for Janie Womack and her father Daniel. Janie was married to William F. Kilgore, who was the grandfather of my ex-husband.

Wednesday, July 19, 2000 at 18:49:14 (PDT)

Mark, this bloody thing loads so slow it aint funnty, it goes back to March!
Can you please archive every thing before July?? Thanks

Thursday, July 20, 2000 at 14:14:58 (PDT)
Marie Smith-Womack

Hello everyone!!! I am now looking for any articles on Bryant H Womack. The Hall of Heroes is wanting any articles to be included with his Congressional Medal Of Honor. Anything will be helpful!!! Thank you !!!

Thursday, July 20, 2000 at 18:36:52 (PDT)
Ann McDonald

Ancestry.com has a Civil War pension index database up and public for the next week or so. It's got 97 Womacks listed - I think the database is Union pensions only.

Friday, July 21, 2000 at 17:30:46 (PDT)

Actually Ann,
Counting the Womac,Wommack, Wamack, Wammack, Wormack, Warmack, Waymack et al, there are about 136 - there are some dupes and I didnt count some of those-tho I did copy them - and as soon as they are altered 10% then I may post them.

Friday, July 21, 2000 at 20:14:26 (PDT)

Also, I went to Ancestry, and every thing and I mean "EVERYTHING" or their
interpretation of same, is free until Jul 31 - great time for all to look download and share?? ALL "250" of ye??

Friday, July 21, 2000 at 23:51:39 (PDT)

Hi all,

I will archive old messages tomorrow. And I'm still working on updating the member list. Something will be in the works by the end of August, if not sooner. There is a huge backlog of people to get into the list. It's going to take some time.


Saturday, July 22, 2000 at 01:48:20 (PDT)
Jim K. Mitchell

I am seeking information on my GGgrandmother Emilie Womack, born in Mississippi 1830 married Joel W. Moss possible in Copiah, Mississippi 11 Jan. 1849. They had the following children: Elizabeth, William, Nancy Rebecca (my great grandmother) born 30 Nov. 1854 in Mississippi. Emilie's 2nd husband was Jackson Barnes they had the following children: Viola, Lenora, Emily Jane, Leenes Arthur. They moved to Texas after the civil war. Emilie died Nov. 1894 Zedler's Mill, Gonzales Co. Texas. Any information concerning Emilie Womack would be greatly appreciated.

Saturday, July 22, 2000 at 22:33:09 (PDT)

I am searching for information on DRUCILLA WOMACK. At age 18, she married Jeremiah Monroe SHINKLE in Black River Township, Independance County, Arkansas. She had five children with Jerry or "JM" Shinkle. It is thought that Drucilla was born in Missippi. She died sometime before 1888. It is thought she died in Arkansas, also.
Any help would be appreciated

Saturday, July 22, 2000 at 23:30:12 (PDT)
Howard Wornek

I am lookng for information about my great-grandfather John Milton Wornek, who was reportedly born in Dubuque, Iowa June 11, 1863. He later moved to Colorado, Utah, and eventually Idaho, where he died. I can't find any other lines of Worneks who spell the name the same, so I'm branching out to possible other source names. Any help?

Sunday, July 23, 2000 at 08:28:10 (PDT)
Roger Womack

Rita, I have Drucilla, who married Jeremiah Shinkle/Shingles as the daughter John Wylie Womack, born in Simpson Co., MS. and sp Mary V. Eggleston Warren, from same. They moved to AR.

Sunday, July 23, 2000 at 17:38:37 (PDT)
Laneda Greenland

Am looking for information regarding my great-grandfather, Rev. N. W. Womack born in Ala. 4/28/1854. Was reared in Middle TN and educated in Ohio. Licensed to preach in Paragould, AR on 9/2/1891. Married L. E. Womack in MS on 2/10/1878. Their children were William H. 1/27/1879, George W. 8/12/1883, Melvina Maie 4/27/1885, William & James 12/18/1887 and Jessie Thomas 12/27/1889. Help is appreciated.

Sunday, July 23, 2000 at 22:33:02 (PDT)

I have put messages through April of 2000 into the message archive. There is problem with some of the links on the new archive pages, so I would recommend using the archive index until I can get them updated.


Wednesday, July 26, 2000 at 07:57:40 (PDT)
Mary Wallace

Womack Researchers,

Can anyone tell me about a John Womack who married Phoebe Bryan. HER parents were Daniel Boone Bryan 1758-1845...Elizabeth Turner:, HIS parents were William Bryan 1734-1780...Mary Boone 1736-1819:, HER parents were Squire Boone 1696-1765..Sarah Morgan 1700-1777.

John Womack and Phoebe Bryan's children were Samuel, John, George, Sarah.

Thank You, Mary Wallace

Wednesday, July 26, 2000 at 17:44:45 (PDT)

On the John Married Phoebe Bryan descendatn of Squrte Boone - there is a whole almost manuscript on GenWeb where this marriage and ancestry etc is mentioned.
Go the the GenWeb search archive - enter "Squire Boone" as

Wednesday, July 26, 2000 at 17:50:38 (PDT)

Sorry about the botched entry - change that to enter Boone and click on PA the first thing that should come up is a bio on Squire, use your find feature and enter womack for the search - that is all fffffolks!

Wednesday, July 26, 2000 at 20:42:08 (PDT)
Mary Hill

Searching for John Womack, born in VA(according to another census) in 1836 Married Sarah Basden/Boisden. In 1850 John Womack was living with this family (see below) and married the next year on 9-23-1851 in Lafayette, MS.
Simmon Taylor m. Sarah Warmack on 10-1-1865 in Lafayette, MS. John Womack must have died by 1865 and Sarah married Simmon Taylor. Maybe John died in the Civil War or something. Looks like John Womack is 20 years older than Sarah.

George W. Boisden 44 Farmer SC
Penelope 30 GA
Sarah M. 15 GA (Martha's mother)
Margaret M. 13 GA
Wm. H 10 AL
George R. 8 AL
Nancy A. 6 AL
Penelope ? 4 AL
Martha A. 1 AL?
John Womack 35 Brickmaster can't read place of birth
Sam Smith 27 Carpenter can't read place of birth

Wednesday, July 26, 2000 at 22:27:16 (PDT)
Kelly Miller-Collins

I am trying to find out information on my great-grandfather, Clay Howard Womack and his mother, Matilda Womack. I do not, unfortunately have a lot of information to go off of. From my Grandmother's birth certificate, I know Clay Womack was born somewhere in Illinois, somewhere around 1892-93. From old family photographs I have, it seems likely that at some point they lived in Collinsville, Illinois.
Clay Womack, eventually married, Grace Ellen Cook and they moved to Detroit, Michigan, where my Grandmother, Virginia Lee Womack was born in 1918. Supposedly, Clay Womack ran for the Michigan State Legislature sometime in the 1920's or early 1930's. Somewhere around the mid 1930's, they moved to California.
I would love to verify whether he had indeed run for State Legistlature and I would like to find out more about the past history. I have had no luck looking up census records and In general I need some guidance. I have tried off and on for the past year and a half and I still have no more information then when I started. If there is anyone willing to show me the way, I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you

Thursday, July 27, 2000 at 05:40:48 (PDT)

I just looked up some data on the GenWeb and what I saw was a Joke - a whole
page of obits from a newspaper, no dates of the obits and no dates of death-
some could be figured out close as the dates of birth and age at death were
there. But this is a good example of how NOT to post data for all to see.
Info such as this is practically, if not all the way, worthless..
I have also ran across data that looks as if it were thrown out there to perk someones over rated ego so they could say they posted something to the web - in one instance, I found the same data listed three times - and more times than I can remember, duplicates abound...
I have found data posted by some "Womack" researchers, a couple, that was not privatized. Subsequently, information on living people is out there that shouldnt be - I think the rule, as a courtesy, would be to privatize anything under 1900-1910--ensure when posting queries that names approximate(if unknown), dates or time frames are listed, and approximate locations - or heresay locations if that is all that is available -
And the most important part of posting queries; dont post and ask for data unless you are willing to share your complete data data, on the subject at hand, with the someone who replies!!
OK enough of Sam's Soapbox - would have posted on my message board, but no one reads it so posting here!!

Friday, July 28, 2000 at 05:40:54 (PDT)
Carolyn Powell

Anyone interested in NC Marriage Bonds, you can find them free for 10 days on ancestry.com: Source Information: Ancestry.com, comp. "North Carolina Marriage Bonds,
1741-1868." [database online] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 2000. Original
State of North Carolina. "An Index to Marriage Bonds Filed in the North
State Archives." Raleigh, NC: North Carolina Division of Archives and

To search this database, go to:

Thursday, July 27, 2000 at 13:24:48 (PDT)
David Dunn

In the same vein as Sam's preceeding, some of you might be interested in my July 26 posting on the Womack GenForum, caused by some even more than usually irresponsible and ignorant postings there.

Friday, July 28, 2000 at 05:43:28 (PDT)
Carolyn Powell

Don't know why the email address didn't print out on the reference to NC Marriage Bans. Here it is: http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4802.htm

Friday, July 28, 2000 at 18:05:40 (PDT)

Reference your post below, good show on the post on GenForum..however, the one on William and your telling the gal if he was born in 1620 he couldnt be her descendant is a work of art showing the lask of attentionpeople pay to what they post -
Also read with interest that drivel on Thomas and Louvisa and the Abraham/Blanton adultery producing Thomas and etc!! Try reading my post, which I made a new one, the other too long. I am beginning to believe that as much as I take with many grains of salt the genealogy of Mildred Pryor back to Adam and Eve!! Cheez!! What an imagination someone had!!!

Sunday, July 30, 2000 at 11:50:44 (PDT)

Anyone ever found anything on relations to Gen. Robert E. Lee? I know everyone in the South claims to be related, but my mother always maintained that this was true for our family.

Sunday, July 30, 2000 at 14:46:47 (PDT)
Sam Womack

Yeah and if not Lee; then Grant, Lincoln, Washington, a Cherokee, heck mebbe even ole Jeff Davis might get a nod or two now and then!!

Sunday, July 30, 2000 at 14:54:54 (PDT)

This is a proposal (no not an indecent one!).
I propose, because of the total lack of creditable evidence, we table any and all research on "William the Immigrant and Mary Jane Allen Womack." Mebbe sometime in the future someone will run across one lil piece of paper that might contain the damning evidence that has haunted so many for so long. I feel we should concentrate on those we know, can find information on; and, exchange that info here on WGN. Not the Gen Forum nor anyother forum; but here where it should be--THE WOMACK GENEALOGY NET...

Sunday, July 30, 2000 at 15:54:25 (PDT)
Ann McDonald

Well, as it happens, quite a lot is known about the family of Robert E. Lee. There is a book - the name of which is escaping me, so I'll hop over to a site for a sec.....ah, Lees of Virginia - Seven generations by Paul Nagle publ 1990 or so - which covers the most famous lines but is mostly a narrative not a genealogy type writing - non-famous lines not well covered although there is, as I recall a nice chart in there someplace of the main lines. And Lee of Virginia published around 1890 or so, republished around 1950 with addenda - is more of a genealogy type thing. The Lees are basically related to everyone in VA. Seriously, Richard the Immigrant Lee had 8 children. He's buried over in the Lee burying ground....I think officially called the Cobb Burial Ground, in Ditchley, VA. Of his children, the only one I've paid attention to is Charles Lee, known to me as the least of the Lees, the youngest kid. There was a Lees of Virginia Society - I haven't heard from them lately - their archives is, I think, over in the Alexandria VA public library - last I heard about them was about 6 months ago, they had sold up one of the Lee museums in Alexandria to raise some money - the upkeep was killing them - I think that was one of the Robert E. museums. There is also the Jamestowne Society, which counts Richard Lee descendants as possible members. And there are lots of Lees in the VA genealogy publications. As to Lees related to Womacks. Well, none that I know of, but then, like I said, they were related to virtually everyone in VA. It wouldn't surprise me at all to find some convergence on some Womack line. Fortunately, the Lees were veterans at writing wills and other documents like diaries and deeds. Happy hunting!

Sunday, July 30, 2000 at 20:23:34 (PDT)

Wamack is the 48,737th popular name (surname) in the United States
Wammack is the 41,693rd popular name (surname) in the United States
Warmack is the 28,136th popular name (surname) in the United States
Womac is the 15,009th popular name (surname) in the United States
Womack is the 1,061st popular name (surname) in the United States
Wommack is the 17,485th popular name (surname) in the United States
Wormack is the 34,388th popular name (surname) in the United States
Tweren't no othahs lsited...

Monday, July 31, 2000 at 05:07:31 (PDT)

Whoops!! Sorry bout the double entry. Didnt realize I had clicked twice(In fact I didnt).

Monday, July 31, 2000 at 08:21:08 (PDT)
Glenn Womack

While digging around in Ancestry.com, I came across these Womacks:
Arthur Womack, b. ? in Lopham, Eng.; d. June 18, 1607; m. Alice Rouse
Married May 12, 1579 in Hargham, Eng. Father named William Womack

Child of Arthur: Lawrence Womack Sr., b. ? in Eng.; d. July 1642

Child of Lawrence Sr: Lawrence Womack Jr, b. May 12, 1612, Norfolk,
Eng; d. November 7, 1685.

Does anyone know more about these folks? Also I wonder why our
of the name is least favorite.

Any info appreciated.

Monday, July 31, 2000 at 09:25:26 (PDT)
Ann Stacy

I have read with interest these query pages for the past month and thank those
who responded to my direct mail. My question is how is it not one researcher
seems to be aware that Richard Womack III had a daughter named Ann. Her 1760
marriage to Josiah Allday is listed in the Early Marriages of Lunenburg County,
Virginia. She is identified as the daughter of Richard Womack. She and her husband, Josiah, moved from VA to St.George's Parish, GA ca.1765 along with her
father, Richard Womack and his family.(St.George's later became Burke Co.Georgia
after the Revolution) Both the Alldays and the Womacks received Royal Land
Grants from King George between 1768 and 1770.

Monday, July 31, 2000 at 09:51:06 (PDT)
Roger Womack

Ann, My understanding is Anne was the daughter of Alexander,not his brother Richard III, who married fist Josiah Alday, then married to Daniel Driscoll. I have some more notes on this family. Your email didnt work. Get in touch.

Will of Alexander Womack, Campbell Co., VA. 1784. Campbell County Will Book 1 1782-1800, pages 38-41:

" I Alexander Womack of the County of Prince Edward do hereby make this my last Will and Testament. I appoint William Watts and Richard Womack my Executors. I give to my son Richard Womack the Land he lives on in Canel County to him. I give to my son David Womack the Land I had of Benjamin Harrison lying in Campbell County after the decease or Widowhood of my wife Martha Womack also one feather bed and furniture and all my Plantation utensils to him. I give my Grand Daughter Nancy Womack one feather bed and furniture and one cow to her. I lend to my Wife Martha Womack dureing her life or Widowhood my Tract of land in Camel County I had of Benjamin Harrison and all My Estate both real and Personal not before Divided and after her decease or Widowhood my Will and desire is that the same be sold for the best Price that can be got Except the Land and Divided amongst my children Alexander Womack Richard Womack David Womack Anne Driscal Elizabeth Mason Jean Tomison Martha Rutlidge and Juda Richards my son David Womack to have Twenty Pounds more than my other children. Given under my hand and seal the 26th day of August 1782.

Signed Sealed /S/ A. Womack (Seal)
in Presence of
Wm. Watts Dudley McDearmonroe
Robert Turner

At a Court held for Campbell County April 1st 1784.
The within last Will and Testament of Alexander Womack deceased was proved by the Oath of Robert Turner a Witness thereto suscribed. And at a Court held for the said County the Sixth day of May following the same were further Proved by the Oath of Dudley McDearmonroe another Witness thereto suscribed and Ordered to be Recorded. And on the Motion of Richard Womack one of the Executors therein named who made oath thereto according to Law Certificate in Granted him for obtaining Probate thereof in due form giving Security Whereupon he together with William Mason and Daniel Mitchell his Securities entered into and acknowledged their Bond in the Penalty of Five Hundred Pounds conditioned as the Law directs for the said Executors due and faithful Administration of the said Decedants Estate and Performance of his Will, Liberty being reserved the Other Executor in the said Will named to John in the Probate thereof when he shall think fit.

Monday, July 31, 2000 at 11:00:51 (PDT)
Jennifer Womack

As you see, I am a Womack, but I have No information on my family line and am stuck with the info I do have. Looking for ANY info on these Womack's and any help is appreciated! From what I know, some went to La and the rest lived in Puckett, Ms & Mize, Ms. This is all I have.

Brother's & Sister's:
Jeff Womack
Tom Womack married Lydia Mize
Alma Womack married ? Cook

Jeff's son:
James Arnold Womack married Linia Ella Mize
*From passed info is from Puckett, Ms - buried in Ga & Linia remarried & buried in Louisiana. The town of Mize is supposedly named after her father.

Children of James & Linia:
Christine Womack married Ed Hudson
Richard Levelle Womack - retired from air force
Minnie "Sug" Womack married Melvin Turner
Earl "Mike" Jackson Womack - (twin)
Murle Jefferson Womack - (twin)

Monday, July 31, 2000 at 12:16:43 (PDT)
Ann Stacy

It is apparent from Alexander's Will dated 1784 that he did indeed have a
daughter named Anne Driscal. This however, was not the Ann, daughter of Richard
who is named in the book Early Marriages in Lunenburg County, VA. Ann Allday
is found in many records in Burke County after the death of her husband ca. 1786. She is on the tax rolls of 1799, the census of 1800, and received her own
headright land grant in Burke County. I have been to the Archives in Atlanta
numerous times researching the Alldays and Womacks and have the documents from microfilm to substantiate the above.

Monday, July 31, 2000 at 15:41:06 (PDT)
Ann McDonald

Ann, the reason no one has listed an Ann as a daughter of Richard III is basically that as far as I can remember Richard III left no will or listing of his children and so his children have to be inferred from other documents. Much of those have to do with say, Jesse Womack being known in Burke Co as his son, then Abraham being known as Jesse's brother, etc. The list I have lists ONLY sons for Richard III, which is statistically improbable. Frankly, I haven't done much on the line as I'm still sorting out Abraham's family and his children, so that would be the next step back for me. If you grab ahold of the document from Lunenburg Co that shows that she was his kid, you've got alot more than most of us have! LOL!

Monday, July 31, 2000 at 17:44:22 (PDT)
Sharon Umiker

Its me again. Does anyone have a Margaret Womack marrying a Melvin Jones in Kentucky in the latter part of the 1800s? She is the daughter of Mary Elizabeth Moore and Tignal Archer Womack (son of Richard D. and Harriett). Their other daughter, Jessie married John Counts, was widowed and then married Josephus Martin Baker.

And, to ROGER AND SAM, I have ordered some fiche which I hope will show Tignal Archer and Mary Elizabeth's marriage record in Virginia. This one will supersede his subsequent "marriage" to Melissa L. Shows (Amelia Flowers???) in Texas.

Monday, July 31, 2000 at 17:56:23 (PDT)

WHOOOOOOOOOOEEEEE!!! As they say in AR...we got this thang on a roll and moving and groovin and shaking and a'bakin--pedal gettin on metal and thangs startin to look up a bit--so no slack y'all keep it goin!!


Monday, July 31, 2000 at 18:40:49 (PDT)

I'm looking for info about Mary C. Womack. She lived in Halifax Co., Va.
She had two children by Littlejohn McCargo. They were never married. The children were a son, Jeff Womack, and a daughter, Lily.


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