June 2000 Message Archive
Thursday, June 01, 2000 at 13:17:10 (PDT)
Oddly enough, I was doing some reading in the Selima Room,
which is a room at my local library dedicated to horse racing (it's a long
story!) Anyway, in
one book there are accounts of Abraham Womack and his various horse racing problems and lawsuits in VA. But more interestingly, in a book on the earliest thoroughbreds, there was a mention of the Childers family. It's a little complicated, and you have to know about horses, but all thoroughbreds are basically descended from 3 stud horses. One of the sons of the Godolphin Arabian (longer story) was bred in Doncaster by a guy named Childers. Sadly, as the library is recently renovated, I didn't get a chance to take notes (piles of stuff to be filed on every desk) but I'll go back and take some notes later. It's actually easier to trace a horse back to the Godolphin Arabian than us to the Womack emigrant, so it was interesting stuff for me to read. Ann
Thursday, June 01, 2000 at 13:48:45 (PDT)
Samantha L. Wommack Fitzgerald
My name is Samantha Wommack Fitzgerald. I was searching the Wommack name and found this site. My question is this: Where is the double M name (Wommack)? All I have found is the single M (Womack) My Grandmother had once told us that the two names were divided amongst two brothers. Either one kept the two m's or one added an M. I am not sure. Could someone shed some light on this subject for me?
Thanks for your help,
Thursday, June 01, 2000 at 14:43:15 (PDT)
Samantha, Wommack vs. Womack vs. about 23 other spellings of the same name all have basically no difference between them. Essentially, at some point, some clerk wrote down what they heard and that's what you got. In my own family, you can find McDonald also written as McDaniel literally in the same document. Alot depends on how you feel like pronouncing Womack and the accent you happen to have. In my family, we pronounce it Wa-mock - hence you get the additional spelling of Wammack and Wamack. My sister has a Womack friend who insists it's Wum-muck and her family shows up with the Wommack and Wammack variation. Ann
Friday, June 02, 2000 at 16:39:03 (PDT)
Sam, Point taken. That was a quote from the introduction that Carlos Womack had written. He admits to it being conjecture on his part, and never really states the source directly. I did follow the discourse of Jan, Feb '99 on this issue and agree that currently, we don't know the true identity and that some of the information was not well documented. I'm not sure we want to open that two month discourse again, as exciting as it was. Thanks.
Friday, June 02, 2000 at 21:32:19 (PDT)
Some land grant and patent records list the names of the
individuals they sponsored for which they received the land. Therefore; after
some of the latest post, I went searching the VLA for Kemp land records
in case a Womack was listed under a Kemp land grant. Found Richard Kemp as well as other Kemps in the 1600's. I looked at one and the writing was more than my tired eyes could make out. But if anyone is at this point in their research it may be an area of pursuit.
Some thoughts to throw out: Somewhere I read that if an individual was in America and made a trip back to England and returned to America they were
given another 50 acres. Now if this Womack worked as a crew member of a
ship wouldn't he have earned a salary which he could have used to purchase land, or maybe the crew were paid with 50 acres of land each time they made
the trip to America.
I found a William Womack, a farmer, in a census in 1845 in Winterton Parish
in the Flegg West Hundred of Norfolk, England. Winterton was a fishing
village. I have no idea if this William Womack is any relation to the
Womack's in America. From what I understand, the eldest son received most
if not all land holdings. Any other sons would need to go in search to
make their way in life. For what it's worth. doris
Saturday, June 03, 2000 at 00:40:41 (PDT)
Your grandmother was probably correct when she told you that 2 brothers spelled their names differently. My line added an "M" sometime around 1839-40 when they left Rowan Co., NC and ended up in Greene Co., MO. Some of the other brothers of this family kept the original spelling of one "M". My understanding is that the reason for the change is because in the early years, families tended to migrate together so whole communities were full of cousins, etc. Some changed their names to distinquish one family from another. By the way, what line are you researching?
Saturday, June 03, 2000 at 12:03:19 (PDT)
Hello everybody and especially Ann. Re: Dr. Jean Stephenson. Today, reading my May/June 2000 NGS Newsmagazine, I noticed for the first time that Dr. Stephenson was the 1998 electee to the National Genealogy Hall of Fame. So today I sent an email to the NGS Committee which elects members, telling them we were trying to locate her papers and asking if they knew where they were or where we could find them. David.
Saturday, June 03, 2000 at 14:32:20 (PDT)
Need info on gggrandmother, Lucinda Womack b. 29 Aug 1801 in TN or NC. Married Clayborn Pigg, son of William Pigg and Susannah (Holder?), before 1822. Lucinda and Clayborn's daughter, Martha Jane Pigg married Aaron McIntosh. Any info on Lucinda or Clayborn would be appreciated.
Margaret Womack Jones and Elizabeth Womack --sisters of Jessica Womack Counts Baker and daughters of Tignal Archy and Mary Elizabeth Moore Womack. All daughters born in late 1850's/early 1860's. Probably Lee or Wise Co. Virginia. I am descended through Jessie line but am desperate for info on Margaret and Elizabeth. Also, I am stuck on Archy and Mary's marriage records. I am checking both North Caroline and Virginia. (Mary was orphaned and lived with her physician grandfather in North Carolina.) Does anyone have a stray Margaret or Elizabeth they can't place? Thanks.
Tuesday, June 06, 2000 at 15:25:17 (PDT)
I am not looking for my anchestors, but I hope someone may
help me anyway:
I am searching my very good friend Anna Marie O'Connell, she is a doctor from Kilkenny, her age is 25 years old.
PLEASE, if you know how to find her, send me an email!
as I am in Norway I do not have any means of finding her...
Wednesday, June 07, 2000 at 13:54:24 (PDT)
I'm looking for information on Richard Womack, cir 1710-1785. He married Ann Sherwood. They had a daughter, Sarah Womack, cir. 1712 VA-1795 GA. She married James Archdeacon Cody in 1729 at Halifax, VA. Have received info that Richard's father may have been Abraham Womack II, 1668 England-1672 VA. Please contact me at email@example.com.
Thursday, June 08, 2000 at 11:52:10 (PDT)
Jean Reed Herbelin
There are 964 Womacks listed with parents and birthdates from 1926 to 1949 born in Texas. Just thought that it might be of help to some Womacks. http://userdb.rootsweb.com/tx/birth/general/search.cgi
Thursday, June 08, 2000 at 13:22:59 (PDT)
Has anyone heard from Miles Womack lately? I have a message for him about the Rogers family....well, a lead anyway. In case he is reading the board - drop me a line - if someone has a new email or telephone number, please email it to me! Basically, I have small lead on John Rogers who m. Lucretia Womack. He _might_ be the son of Cullen Rogers - the Cullen who DIDN'T marry Sarah Womack....got that folks? Yeah, you try to figure this family out and see how nuts it drives you! LOL! Anyway, I really do want to hear from Miles - his listed email didn't work - I can try snail mail, but he wasn't feeling well last time I heard from him, so if someone has his telephone number could they call him - or give me the number and I will call. Ann
Thursday, June 08, 2000 at 17:56:11 (PDT)
Sometimes we forget we have many spellings of our last name---soundex
brings all together - but using the names themselves, singularily, produces
results also,,In addiition to the 964 Womacks mentioned below there were:
9-Wamack; 20-Wammack; 65-Wommack; 6-Womac; 1-Wamac; 1-Womick; 2-Wormack;
Thursday, June 08, 2000 at 18:56:48 (PDT)
Sam and all,
I've pulled all those various spellings, I missed the Waymack. They are posted under "Womack Records" / births / at my website. I'm going back through them and taking them out of the blocking and putting a * next to the ones I have connections to in my database. I've been working on them a couple of weeks in my spare time. I'm about half done but still have to go back through them and add the *'s. It will be slow loading until I get all the blocking out of there.
Thursday, June 08, 2000 at 20:36:35 (PDT)
Perhaps I should say, "Hello, my name is Sam Womack, Womac, Wommack, Womic, Womick, Wommick, Wommuck, Womuck,Wamac, Wamack,Wammack, Wamuck, Wammuck, Wamik, Wamok, Wormack, Warmack, Waymack, Womach, to name a few. Whats yours??"
Friday, June 09, 2000 at 09:17:52 (PDT)
I would like to offer a proposal. I agree with Sam that things have been a little slow lately. Since there is now some legitimate question as to "who" the "Immigrant" was paticularly pertaining to William & Mary Jane Allen Womack. Could we find a starting point with the supposed children who did live in the Henrico Co. area and discuss them individually? This discussion could include documentation and evidence that supports who they were, who they married, the children that came from those marriages etc. Since I am a pure novice at genealogy it may be a little bold to propose this but I would think that it would generate some lively and spirited discussion and allow some of us who are relatively new to this to learn and think more as genealogists rather than just blindly taking what one person has developed and taking that, then turning around and seeing what someone else has said, compare that and come up with different conclusions. Meanwhile wallowing in an ocena of doubt and confusion. As I understand it, it is widely held that most Womack lines proceed from the William, Abraham, Richard, Thomas, John, Ann, Mary and Jane Womack lineage who were formerly thought to be the children of William and Mary Jane. I also understand that there is some evidence out there concerning a Henry Womack who married a Phoebe Rondall in Masschusetts that Sam alluded to previously. Then I see that there was supposedly an Archer Womack listed who lived in Virginia as early as 1619. I have also seen indications that some immigration occurred later in the early to mid 1800's of a few Womack families arriving in Texas which may be a different line. However, the bulk and majority seem to descend from eight originally mentioned. It is unlikely that even with an effort of this magnitude that we will still all agree but it may be helpful, to dispel some old myths and develop some new thinking about previously held views. If done in a analytical non-confrontational manner we may be able to more firmly establish the Womack lineage for a large number of people. This effort would not preclude the occasional inquiry that currently exists or the finding of new sources and information. Is this "doable" (military slang)or is this in the "too hard to do" category?
Friday, June 09, 2000 at 10:54:51 (PDT)
I hope someone can help me find information on Troy Edward Womack, my great-grandfather. He married Annie Lura Laura Parker and had two daughters, one of which was my grandmother. I have never found any information on him or who his parents were. I know he lived in or around the area of Macon, Georgia (Bibb County) or Jeffersonville, GA. Please contact me and any information is much appreciated.
Friday, June 09, 2000 at 10:55:21 (PDT)
Al, great idea! we've made some half-hearted atempts at this
in the past. It sure won't hurt to go at it again. My line starts with Abraham
born 1644 spouse Sarah Worsham 2nd Sarah Somerscales, I have found no proof of
Children: Jane, b. abt1670, sp henry Pew; Thomas,b. abt 1672 sp Mary Farley; Abraham, Jr. b abt 1675 sp Tabitha or Jane Hudson; Martha b abt 1680 sp John Mosby. I've seen Tabitha as Tabitha Jane but there were very few middle names before 1750 so I have a big question on any of them before that time. Show me records with first and middle names and I'll sure be glad to change my opinion.
Got to go to work, later
Friday, June 09, 2000 at 16:19:01 (PDT)
I posted the Tx birth,death,marriage,divorce sites here before. I want to tell everyone they are not really accurate. I asked for for a way to make corrections and they added the 'add'feature. Be careful with the dates, several of our family was wrong. Had a newborn baby's death as a married man, and my father as a single man at death, not true. Betty
Friday, June 09, 2000 at 21:59:31 (PDT)
Doable? yes but only with a "can-do" (also military) attitude..and the cooperation of every woman or man-jack that uses WGN...true, there are a lot of records from back then lost - but, how come all those musters from the Jamestown and surrounding area survive, the ships lists and other historical and genealogical data that seems to have survived the ages; yet, other has perished in some manner or another, careless clerks, people that didnt want the data perpretrated into prosterity? Who knows? Who cares? WE do!
I have found most everyone tries to work down from "William." Trying to take the easy route based on others prior findings - Few work backwards to those days back then - those who do are purists that were around long before most were even interested in genealogy...I, myself, have been guilty of of using the "work down" instead of the genealogy prime directive, "work backward"!!
Someone named Womack had to come to this country in some manner or another - that is obvious--unfortuantely, as I have found, not all who came were listed on the ships lists; mostly those who were well to do--appears then, as it is now, the rich were rich and the poor were poor and not worthy of mention as coming here; yet the poor and the unknown people were the ones who made this country..not the landed and rich gentry...it has been that way since time immortal........
Friday, June 09, 2000 at 22:12:19 (PDT)
Thanks All! The message to Miles got passed along and he gave me a call. All is well with him! Small progress is being made on the Rogers/Womacks. Thanks again. And didn't I upload those early VA land grant TIFs to someone? That's the basic starting place in VA records. Ann
Saturday, June 10, 2000 at 09:53:43 (PDT)
Roger and others - I have the same information on Abraham. The primary documentation I have found is his will written in Nov 1732 and probated in Oct 1733 or 1735 at Varina Parish for Henrico County, which would have made his death between that time. This will is listed in the Henrico Co VA Deeds and Wills No. 2, Part 1, 1725-1737 p 416. In the will it lists his son Abraham as executor. He also mentions a grandson William as son to Abraham. He mentions his son Thomas in the will. There is mention of other children, primarily sons but the spellings must be illegible. One is stated as a "said son W(?) Womeck, son of Wm Womeck". It is assumed that this was Abraham's brother William's son. In 1688 Abraham was granted 250 acres of land for importation of 5 persons into the colony. It appears that one of those was Sarah Somerscales, which has led some to believe that this was his wife (Wm & Mary Qtr V-24, p.208). On 20 Oct 1691, Abraham Womack, John Washam (Worsham?) and Edward Straton (Stratton?) were granted 879 acres in the Parish of Varina on the north side of Swift Creek for the importation of 28 persons (Pat Bk 8-172). On 16 Apr 1692 Abraham Womack Sr. was granted 269 acres in the parish of Varina for the improtation of 2 persons (Pat Bk 8-216). On 21 Aug 1699 John Worsham & Abraham Womeck Sr. ceded a third part of the 879 acres (approx 293 acres) to Edward Stratton son of Edward Stratton who died Sep 1698 (Bk 8-147). 1 Apr 1708 Edward Stratton planter to Capt. John Worsham and Abraham Womecke, Senr. for 11 pounds 9 shillings and Anne, wife of Edwd. Stratton relinquished her dower right to said land (Vol 1706-1709 p. 89). These dealings with John Worsham seems to be the reason to believe that Abraham may be married to Sarah Worsham. Whoever the wife was she must have preceded him in death since she is not mentioned in his will. We have established that there was an Abraham Womack, he definitely had a son Abraham (Jr.), a son Thomas and a grandson William the son of Abraham Jr. Can anybody else shed additional light on Jane and Martha?
Saturday, June 10, 2000 at 14:06:14 (PDT)
Well, in the interests of stuffing the copies of the most original documents and a few transcripts all in one place, I'm going to upload TIFs from the Library of VA into my homestead filing cabinet. I may put an index page up in the end but I'll put the links here. One of them is already up - http://womackhunter.homestead.com/files/v6p447.tif should get you there...I think! Anyway, that's the one with Sarah Sumercales name on it, one of the Abraham ones. So, for instance, Roger could use those to link from his page on the patents to the originals. BTW, Sam, I couldn't get your page to come up - I kept getting error 404 not found after the main page. What's the correct URL?
Saturday, June 10, 2000 at 18:17:10 (PDT)
I'll be glad to help with tracing Womacks. I feel as if I'm
linked to the family kind of precariously. I am linked to Richard D. Womack and
Harriet Bragg through their son Archie my "missing"
great-great-grandfather. After just a few years of marriage he disappeared in
the war and left Mary with 3 little girls. So there was no continuation of the
Womack line from that union. His second "marriage" did produce a
couple of sons in Texas/Louisiana.
So, I'm a rookie at this line but will be glad to help. Is there any proven connection with the Womack line found in the Northeast? Once this website (thank you Roger!!! Your information really paid off!) helped me link to Tignal Archer (Archie) Womack I got the "ascendancy" from several sources--including the Ancestral File and IGI at the LDS FHC where I volunteer. Is this basically a sound record?
Saturday, June 10, 2000 at 18:43:17 (PDT)
I would suggest someone take a real close look at the name on the lefy on what
you posted - (1) it appears that the name started to be something else and ended
up Richd. And the name of Sarah on the bottom is not Summerscales as I read it -it is Johnson(that is if she is the first on list and she is the only Sarah I can find there)(2) in the second line of the text at the top it says Richard not Abraham i.e. "and grant unto Richard Womack"
Note that the last letter of the name, abbreviated and whole, is not an "m" but a "d". However, the Womack is clearly spelled Womack anyway!!
Anyone got any other ideas on the names??
Saturday, June 10, 2000 at 20:31:58 (PDT)
OOPS! My fault, I uploaded the next one. Sigh. I'm uploading all the ones I have - I'll write an index page ASAP. Ann
Saturday, June 10, 2000 at 22:12:49 (PDT)
Ok, try that URL for the index, and with some luck, the links will work and the downloads are correctly listed - if not yell at me again! Ann
Sunday, June 11, 2000 at 03:55:58 (PDT)
Went there and looked at the name on Abe's grant..
I cannot support the name Somerscales from what is written there
Somerscales has 11 letters in it, there are only 10 in the name
written - the closest I can get to a name is Somerseals...
The 5th letter is very hard to distinguish as an "r" and why separated
from the rest of name, cannot guess--however I blew it up and it was
an apparent attempt at an "R" that left the front part open..but, there
is no "c" in the name anywhere - still trying to figure out why the last
letter was dotted making it look like s "j" - unfortunately, also, they
had a bad habit of their "e" and "o" looking almost alike..
If anyone else has a better guess - please, by all means, post it---
Sunday, June 11, 2000 at 11:06:15 (PDT)
I'm going through all my pre-1700 land/deed notes - I see that
there is one between John Womack and a Farley of some sort in 1692. The Library
of VA has a copy in their files, I don't seem to have a copy or even a
transcript of it. If someone has a copy, and they can toss it to me email as a
GIF or TIF or JPG or even by snailmail we can upload it to my page. If not, I
think the Lib. of VA will send me a copy. I was concentrating on the pre-1700
ones. I also have a bunch of notes on other pre-1700 stuff, mostly Abraham suing
every one in sight, but I also only have notes and a few transcripts on those
and will have to track down real copies. Still looking through the files here
for uploads - the next batch probably will be AL land records ca. 1820...so 100
year gap there!
BTW, I AM trying to be a good little genealogist and work backwards. I'm still working on Mansel's family and Abraham's family. Mansel is missing some daughters someplace in Alabama, and I am STILL trying to figure out who Abraham's wives, the Marthas, really were. Martha Mitchell doesn't seem to connect anywhere. But, patience will out - it took me 2 years to connect up Sarah Rogers correctly, and that still leaves a bunch of unconnected Rogers/Womacks to worry about in GA. Bless John Warburton Womack's little heart, his letters on the Mansel family are quite helpful - but I can't upload those, more's the pity as they belong to a library that doesn't want me to. And besides, pretty much everyone on the Mansel side of the family who wants copies knows about them anyway. Actually, one of the most pitiful letters I have is from another batch this one from a McDonald cousin to my great-grandfather Kinchen Womack McDonald, informing him of the death of his sister. A three hanky letter that one! I really should upload that one to my McDonald myfamily site!
Sunday, June 11, 2000 at 11:09:43 (PDT)
In Somerscales, the c could have been copied from the e. It's
probably like the Womacks, 30 differnt spellings or so. I would guess she has
been placed as the spouse of Abraham as pure guess, cause I haven't seen
anything stating she was married to Abe. Or Worsham for that matter. I wonder if
we could chase researchers/sources back to see where those names came from or
when. It would be interesting to see when Charles Augustus, William, Mary Jane
Allen, to name a few started showing up in genealogies. I know many of those
early generations are a mess, approx dates and all. Abraham's son Thomas sp Mary
Farley had a son Thomas who married Mary, however 99% of the database's say his
spouse was Sarah Woodson, we've proved that to be incorrect. We've also proved
Abraham son of Thomas and Mary Farley had a son Abraham who married Elizabeth
Stubblefield, but most database's have him from another line. We have a long way
to go sorting out these early generations. If anyone would like my notes on
these let me know, I probably should do a webpage. with known corrections. I
think I will.
Ann, what were you wanting me to link to? I didn't understand. Sorry.
Sunday, June 11, 2000 at 12:19:27 (PDT)
Roger, I'm posting a whole bunch of patents and other original documents on the site listed at my homepage. Just uploaded a bunch of Mansel Womack stuff which is of absolutely no interest to 90% of you guys, so it's on a linked page. If you want to link to the original documents on the site, you're welcome to. Personally, I've never seen Somerscales as a name anyplace, Somerseal makes a tad more sense. Of course, there is absolutely no evidence any Womack married her, so it's sort of a moot point. Ann
Sunday, June 11, 2000 at 17:44:47 (PDT)
Is it possible Sarah's surname is French and the c actually a
"schwa" as in
Francois? Just a thought.
Sunday, June 11, 2000 at 20:08:17 (PDT)
Hello Folks. I just returned from 3 days of research at the New England Historic and Genealogical Society in Boston. I was trying to follow up on the last references I had ever heard of, but never seen, about "the emigrant William" or "the ancestor Bishop Lawrence". One was the "Misc. Gen. et Heraldica" reference which as Jan thought turned out to be the "Womack of Mautby" genealogy. I also was looking at everything else they had on Norfolk, including publications of the Norfolk Record Society. Anyway something caught my eye. Remember the correspondence in January started by Ronald K. Womack about the Flowerdew Hundred, named for Temperance Flowerdew Yeardley wife of the Colonial Governor, and only 6 or 7 miles downstream, also on the south side of the James, from the Bermuda Hundred where the Womacks first settled (as far as we know)? Well, I found references to a Flowerdew family in Norfolk! Turns out it's Temperance Flowerdew's family. They lived in the same villages as the Womack Norfolks of the Bishop's family, at the same time (e.g. Lopham where the Womacks were Rectors for decades in the 16th and 17th centuries and where the Bishop was born, and Fersfield where they were Rectors for decades in the 17th century). A William Flowerdew married a granddaughter of the Lawrence Womack who was the Bishop's nephew/heir. Also, there were Henry Womacks in that Norfolk family, including an uncle and a first cousin of the Bishop. Now there is no smoking gun here, but for me these correspondences of time and place on both sides of the Atlantic strengthen the likelihood that somewhere in that Norfolk family lies the ancestry of our Womack brothers who show up in Henrico in the 1600's. Finally I was not able to get my hands on the book about the Ketts of Wymondham (another Flowerdew locale near the others) my last missing reference (the NEHGS copy has disappeared) but I did find references to Ketts there related to the Flowerdews. Has anybody seen the Kett book? Any thoughts? I have a lot of paper and can provide more precise references. David
Sunday, June 11, 2000 at 20:37:12 (PDT)
I have come across a Rachel Womack, who married William Tabor
about 1733 in
Virginia, Goochland Co. She is in another line of my family. Does anyone have any information on this Rachel? Thanks.
Sunday, June 11, 2000 at 22:53:35 (PDT)
Ann, I sure appreciate the effort of posting the originals. It sure helps. Roger, I would love the info you discussed but if you are going to put it on a website I could look at it there instead. Sam, the Somerseals is probably correct but like Roger states it appears that it is pure speculation that she may have ended up as a spouse. Are we comfortable with Abraham I b. Abt 1644, m. ? to sp.unknown, d. Abt 1733; ch: Jane b. abt 1670, Sp Hery Pew (Is there a will somewhere that mentions this?); Thomas b. abt 1672 m.? to sp. Mary Farley; Abraham Jr. b. abt 1675 spouse Tabitha or Jane Hudson; Martha b. abt 1680 m.? sp John Mosby. The daughters are not mentioned in the will but if they were already married I guess that is not unusual in those days. Is this "said son" mentioned in the will probably a nephew of brother William? Speaking of which are we comfortable with the idea that Abraham is the elder of the Womack's that were in that area other than the Father that we can't locate?
Monday, June 12, 2000 at 08:59:28 (PDT)
I've posted "Correcting Womack Lines" children of Thomas and Mary Farley on my website. Also linked your page Ann, thanks.
Monday, June 12, 2000 at 09:32:29 (PDT)
Re: Martha, dau of Abraham Sr. The reference to her is the Valentine Papers on page 2276 (Vol III?) Anyhow it speaks there of Martha as the daughter of Abraham married first, 22 Nov 1708, Henrico Co., to John Mosby, b. bef Jun 1689, d. 1718 and 2nd to James Hambleton. They refer to the will of John Mosby and Martha as the executrix of that will. Apparently there was a dispute over the will where the Mosby family were plaintiff's against James Hableton and Martha, his wife. Re: date of birth of Abraham Sr., there are two depositions made on June 2, 1679 where his age is listed as 35 years old which would put date of birth at 1644. But there is another deposition on Aug 1, 1691 where it states his age as 49 years old which would put it in the 1642/3 range. I have not found anything on Jane but I don't have the entire 3 volume set of the Valentine papers either so it may be there about Henry Pew etc.
Monday, June 12, 2000 at 10:01:55 (PDT)
Here is what I have on 1692 deed from John Womack to John Farley, Sr. I do not have the original but maybe this will help.
(1999) Taken from: NUCMC, or the National Union Catalog of Manuscript Collections, operated by the Library of Congress
Author: Womack, John
Title: Deed: Henrico County Virginia, to John Farley,Sr.
1692 October 20.
Description: 1 item (2p.)
Notes: Negative photostat. Richmond, Va. Virginia State
Library and Archives 1933.
John Farley, Sr., born in Charles City County,
Virginia in 1648, lives in Henrico County with his wife
John Womack deeded 100 acres in Henrico County,
Virginia to John Farley, Sr. on 20 October 1692. It was
recorded 1 February 1692/3.
John Womack, Deed, Henrico County, Virginia, to
John Farley,Sr.,1692.Acession 20666, Personal Papers
Collection, Virginia State Library and Archives, Richmond,
The original was in the possession of Dr. Dabney
Wellford in 1933.
Subjects: Womack, John
Farley, John Sr., b.1648
Deeds -- Virginia -- Henrico County
Other titles: Personal papers collection 20666.
Control No.: VASV90-A786
Source: Linda Chandler, Index to Book B 16931713 - Prince George, VA:
From George PANMORE &
93 acres (ref. Apr 29, 1694
and deed Dec 8, 1703)
Dec 9, 1712
Monday, June 12, 2000 at 11:23:13 (PDT)
Thanks Joyce, I only had the dates and names - pity they didn't add in the same info on birth for John as they did for Farley! Ann
Monday, June 12, 2000 at 22:43:20 (PDT)
The Edward Pleasants Valentine Papers (4 Volume Set :
Abstracts of 17th and 18th Century Virginia Records Relating to 34 Families
by Clayton Torrence
Our Price: $80.00(amazon.com)
Fer yer infermayshun it appeahs like they be 4 vols vs 3?
Tuesday, June 13, 2000 at 08:29:38 (PDT)
Thanks Sam for the infermayshun. See, I told you I was a novice. What I've picked up so far - So we are playing on much the same sheet of music, Roger has posted many early documents transcribed on his WebSite, plus The copies of the original's on Ann's site show's the difficulty that can occur in reading that information. It helps when you get familiar with some of the standard abbreviations etc., but with different handwriting it is a challenge. The type of detail that Sam pointed out in counting letters and shows some techniques also. I'm still curious about Jane sp. of Henry Pew.
Tuesday, June 13, 2000 at 15:01:32 (PDT)
My grandfather Eddie Ray Womack Sr. was born July 29, 1917 in
Oklahoma. He was the forth child of 12 (6 boys, 6 girls). I know some of his
brothers were called Tobe, Lee,and Bud. His mother was Grace Everhart (I think I
spelled it right) and he married Jewel Wright and lived in Wyoming. I am trying
to find out his fathers name and hopefully more information on his fathers
family. At a reunion a few years ago they brought home a book about the family
history, but said that there were inconsistincies in it. I would really
appriciate any information I could possibly get.
Tuesday, June 13, 2000 at 22:38:17 (PDT)
My name is Tina and I found this site by serving the web.
First I want to thank Sam for the info he has given me and do not give up on me I will send you the rest of that Information on Jermima Matilda's and George Thompson Family.
I am the Great great great grandaughter of Jacob Womack and Katie Beavers.Ifanyone has information on this line I would like to share information.
Wednesday, June 14, 2000 at 09:57:29 (PDT)
I have 12 generations of your grandfather's family but I am going to send it by separate email. If anyone else wants this info, let me know.
Wednesday, June 14, 2000 at 11:41:19 (PDT)
Kimberly, Eddie Ray Womack, is the son of William Carney Womack and Grace Everhart, son of William Melton Womack sp Lydia Blanton.
Wednesday, June 14, 2000 at 19:54:46 (PDT)
Roger C. Ramsey
My greatgrandfather Hiram R, Ramsey1819-1902 marrid Elizabeth susan womack in Burke county, North Carolina, on November 11, 1847. I have been unable to find any information on Elizabeth Womack. I would appreciate any help available. Pleaser email me at Rog Ramsey@aol.com.
Thursday, June 15, 2000 at 05:23:11 (PDT)
Hi! This is James Womack, I live in England. I am 13 years old
and attend Torquay Boy's Grammar School. My Father: Chris Womack, comes from the
manchester area, we inherited his name. My mother, from Leister Karen Womack
(formerly Thomas). We now live in Devon... Newton Abbot (Near Exeter), my grand
parents (dad's side) live in Ilfracombe.
I would like any Womack..Except those I know, from my ancestor to contact me...
Thursday, June 15, 2000 at 14:36:02 (PDT)
Nobody but me seems to give a darn about the proximity of the Flowerdews and the Womacks on both sides of the Atlantic. Let me try some more. Besides the Womack (a daughter of the Lawrence who was Bishop Lawrence's heir) who married a Flowerdew: while the Womacks were Rectors of Fersfield and Lopham, Flowerdews lived at Redgrave, 3 miles south of S. Lopham; A Flowerdew was Curate at S.Lopham in 1675, 10 years after the Womacks had finished their approximately 90 years as Rectors there; both families sent their scholars to the same two Cambridge Colleges - Caius and Corpus Christi.
Thursday, June 15, 2000 at 15:21:04 (PDT)
More about those Norfolk Womacks. We are all indebted to Roger for posting on his site the "Record of the Womack Family" apparently the original 1913 Jean Stephenson piece, and "Origin of the Womacks" possibly also by Dr. Stephenson. While there may be much to criticize about these works, there are some points of possible significance which bear some thought. Some of this I have noted before in this forum. First. The "Record" contains certainly a very early if not the first mention of the alleged and elusive Charles Augustus. But note that he is not in the direct descent lineage being described. And, he is the only person mentioned in the entire narrative who is not described by a surname. Why he is referred to at all is a mystery. Second. In both documents precise birth and death dates are given for Edward Womack the alleged son of the Bishop and alleged father of the first immigrant described in the documents. Note that the dates - 1653-1723 - make him a contemporary of the Henrico brothers Abraham, Richard I, John etc. And that makes the immigrant of these two documents a contemporary of the next generation i.e. Richard II etc.. Indeed the "Origins" says that when that immigrant moved to America "previous to this time many relatives had established themselves" there. Third. Two different names are given in the two documents for that first immigrant: "John Richard" in the "Record" and "Abraham" in the "Origins". Fourth. Henrico County is never mentioned. Only Prince Edward County or "what is now" Prince Edward. Prince Edward was never part of Henrico. Of course we know many of the Henrico Womacks ended up in Prince Edward. The one thing I conclude for sure out of all this is that we need to search Dr. Stephenson's papers to see what documentation she had, eg. for the birth and death of her "Edward"; ditto "John Richard" and/or her "Abraham" the immigrant.
Thursday, June 15, 2000 at 17:04:04 (PDT)
Speaking of Abraham I, I did find reference to Jane, with a spouse Henry Pugh Jr., b. 1662. Supposedly there was a will left by Henry dated 5 May 1709 pobated on 3 Mar 1711. I had seen somewhere that Jane was the sister of Abraham not the daughter but based on the date of birth, abt 1670, she would have been a late daughter to Abraham's father of an early daughter. So to sum up on Abraham are we comfortable with his birth 1643/4, possible 1st spouse, Sarah Worsham, possible 2nd spouse Sarah Somerseals (but not mother of the children), with ch: Jane b Henrico Co., abt 1670, sp Henry Pew or Pugh, b. abt 1665 d. Henrico Co, VA, abt 1710; Thomas b. abt 1672, sp. Mary Farley; Abraham Jr. b. abt 1675 sp Tabitha or Jane Hudson; Martha b. abt 1680, sp John Mosby. If so, would the next brother be William b. abt 1645, d. abt 1674 m. Jane ?, ch: Thomas & Mary?
Friday, June 16, 2000 at 16:04:19 (PDT)
Actually, from what I've seen among published Womack stuff,
it's a 50/50 split on whether Jane was a daughter of the immigrant or of
Abraham. Why? Heck if I know, and in fact, I can't even recall ever seeing her
named anywhere other than family stuff - I haven't checked any Pew records to
see if she released a dower on some land or was a party to any of the suits.
She's not in Henry Pew's will that I recall. From what I can tell from the
transcript I have, she's not in Abraham Sr's will (Martha Hambleton seems to be)
Other than noting in my notes that she is a puzzler, I haven't done any research
into it. Her family marries back into mine a couple of generations down, so it's
of interest to me, but I'm still puttering about with a later Abraham and down
BTW, I find the Flowerdew thing interesting, sorry I haven't commented on it - real life has stomped on me this week. Ann
Friday, June 16, 2000 at 18:32:03 (PDT)
My late fater-in-law was born in April 1941. He was the
youngest child of George and Elizabeth(?) Womack. They had 5 children Racheal,
Bryant, Lester, Charles & Fletcher. Racheal and Charles are still living.
Bryant was killed in the Korean War in March of 1952 and Womack Army Hospital
was named after him. He also received the Medal Of Honor in 1953. Fletcher died
of Leukimia in 1969. They believe this was military related. Lester died in 1998
They were all raised in Mill Springs NC. This is all the information we have. If anyone can assist me with any information it would be greatly appreciated. My husband and son would like to know about their family since my husbands father died when he was 2 1/2 yrs old.
Saturday, June 17, 2000 at 10:41:22 (PDT)
Marie, if you scroll down the messages and/or search on the word Bryant, I think you'll find Wally Womack, who if I am not mistaken is a second cousin of your husband's. He last posted in December, but try his email or use his address there to give him a call. BTW, I think your Womack aunt and uncle may well have been contacted by the Army for the rededication of the Womack hospital, which was renovated and I think the new part opened in about January or so, I might be mistaken about that. And also BTW, they are probably the best place to start asking questions - it's always best in genealogy to start with what and who you know and work back. Hope that helps. Sorry I'm not emailing, for some reason my emailer is a little cranky today and wants to use Outlook Express instead of Yahoo to email out. I hate Express! Ann
Sunday, June 18, 2000 at 06:28:17 (PDT)
Marie, Unfortunately, I have virtually nothing on Bryant either, but as Ann said there were some previous inquiries about him. I do have an anecdote about Womack Army Hospital however, only loosely related to genealogy. I was stationed at Ft Bragg, NC, from 1976 to 1978 and our first child Brian Gabriel Womack was born on 10 Feb 1977 while assigned there. We were going to have the child at Womack Army Hospital. Unfortunately, W.A.H. did not have a policy that allowed father's in the delivery room at that time so we ended up going to Cape Fear Hospital instead in Fayetteville. I sure thought it would have been neat to have had a Womack born in Womack Hospital but alas, it was not to be.
Sunday, June 18, 2000 at 08:06:51 (PDT)
Marie, I have Fletcher's (brother of Bryant) parents as George W. Womack and Julia Hollifield, son of Frank P.; son of Anderson; son of Gassaway, son of Anderson; son of Thomas Womack and Louvisa Rice. Get in touch for more detailed info.
Monday, June 19, 2000 at 18:29:53 (PDT)
Hello my name is Adrena Womack I am from Connecticut, I reside in Irving Texas. My father's name is Willie Edward Womack. We are African American Womacks. All I know about my father's family is they grew up in North Carolina. There were seven children. Otis Womack, Elmore Womack. Russell Womack. Virginia Womachk. Mozelle Womack, Grant Womack,Willie Womack. My grandmother died before I was born her name was Nannie Bell Womack. My Grandfather's name was Grant Womack. I would like to know more about my roots. I would to hear from someone that might know my family or is even related to us. We are from the Raleigh North Carolina area. Would like to hear from you.
Monday, June 19, 2000 at 18:39:41 (PDT)
Adrena. Can you give us some more help? Your own and your parents birth dates, grandparents birth and death dates, precise towns, etc. help.
Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 10:30:48 (PDT)
Have original marriage certificate of W.J. Womack to Purnie
Neighbors dated November 24th in the year 1889. Marriage took place in the
Texas, the county of Fannin. If anyone would like to see it I can scan it and
forward it to you in an email.
Wednesday, June 21, 2000 at 05:18:37 (PDT)
Who are James Scott Bumgarner's Parents? That question I believe has not been answered yet.
Wednesday, June 21, 2000 at 08:47:32 (PDT)
Bea, James Scott Bumgarner (aka., James Garner) parents were Weldon Warren Bumgarner and Mildred Scott Meek. Originally when doing the article on Jim I was told that his father was William Weldon Bumgarner. That has been corrected in my database but not in the feature article on WGN. Jim's mother Mildred was the daughter of Charles Bailey Meek and Abbie Lillian Womack.
Wednesday, June 21, 2000 at 15:41:51 (PDT)
Someone was asking some months ago "how do we know that Richard Womack, father of Abraham, grandfather of Sherwood, Mansel, etc, died in Georgia while visiting?" Well, at the time I answered "I can't remember other than reading it over here, but it doesn't say the source." Well, the real answer is - a ca 1850 letter from John Warburton Womack says so. It's transcribed in the back of Miles Womack's book - Little River Pioneers. John W. was in GA in 1824-5 or so, apparently living with Sherwood Womack relatives while getting some schooling, and he was shown the family graves and told the stories then.
My maternal grandfather was Walter H. Womack, he married Ellen
In the early 1930's they moved from Oklahoma to New Mexico.
His parents were T.T. Womack and Conver Womack.
This is the total information I know about them. Please send me any info
you may have on Womack family members by those names. I appreciate your
time and effort.
Thank you! Dovie
Saturday, June 24, 2000 at 11:52:14 (PDT)
Corine (Kenoyer) Scramlin
Kenoyer -Cunningham Family
looking for ino on the cemetaries names in Iowa. Dallas Co and Polk County and the are of Ackworth and the way to get the names of all persons buried there. Please help me find my relatives. thnx Corine
Sunday, June 25, 2000 at 10:13:22 (PDT)
I send you a mail, posting here in case you wander back here first
Monday, June 26, 2000 at 03:48:57 (PDT)
Would anyone know the location of "James Tignal
Womack's" grave at Pactolus, in Greenup CO. Ky. I have read where someone
had found the grave and it had a monument, but no directions where given,
described as over grown with brush and weeds.
Monday, June 26, 2000 at 17:43:18 (PDT)
Ann. Thanks. It was I who asked and actually what I asked was how do we know Richard "died in Hancock Co. GA while on a visit to Abraham?". Richard was at the time (1785) living in Burke now Jefferson Co. GA. Does the letter say he died in Hancock? Was his one of the graves? Sorry, but I didn't buy the book. Thought it was about Womacks later than and not geographically connected to mine. Thanks, David.
Monday, June 26, 2000 at 18:08:27 (PDT)
Looking for a John Walter Reed, born ab. 1860, said to of been in Olive Branch (but it didn't say which state). Married to Matilda Ward, bef 1880, they had 5 children, moved to Arkansas bef 1900. Matilda died, then John walter married Mable Ada Ballew, had 5 more children. Can anyone help out with ANY information on this family? NOLAN
Tuesday, June 27, 2000 at 06:48:33 (PDT)
CaSandra Denise Green (Womack)
I am desperately looking for any information on Jackie Layne or Amanda Dawn Womack. The last I heard he was in the armed service and I have yet to hear anything about her. I believe they currently reside in Texas. Their mother's name is Charlotte. Their father's name is Jackie Layne Womack Sr. If anyone has any information on these two, please respond at my e-mail address. Thank You.
Tuesday, June 27, 2000 at 08:55:20 (PDT)
Hi! Looking to see if anyone might know about a Richard B. Woomack who married a Georgia Reddin in Dallas Co., Arkansas on March 10, 1896? I don't know where else to begin as I cannot get the license since they were married before the 1900's. Thanx, Kaye
Tuesday, June 27, 2000 at 13:39:32 (PDT)
Kaye, sorry I'm not answering by email but I thought I'd quickly answer here. As it happens, a large section of one of families is from Dallas Co., AR. In fact, I'm related to most of the McDonalds and Womacks in the area. Woomack is another story - we don't do Woomack as a spelling much in our family. I happen to have the Dallas Co. cemetery book here - for Woomack I've got buried in Tulip Cemetery, a Rena and Henry G, Virgil, Minnie, Elvira and Evra H. They happen to be mixed in plot-wise with the Womacks, so I assume it's a spelling thing somewhere locally in the same family. Anyway, what you probably want to do is got to Rootsweb and join the Dallas Co., AR mailing list. Right now someone with the marriage book is doing lookups. You actually CAN get pre-1917 marriage licenses from the County Clerk of Dallas Co - so you just need to call up the courthouse and ask the clerk where to write and how much it is for a copy - then send a letter and money and tell them what you need. From there, go to the 1880 census and look through it - sorry to say I don't think I copied the Womacks in Dallas County for 1880 - mine were in Ouachita that year, my McDonalds were in both - and then work back through the census from there. Or, try Sam's website (see the link next to his name here) and look at the AR records, he may have it there. Ann
Tuesday, June 27, 2000 at 13:50:11 (PDT)
David, well, to summarize we're on page 351-2 of Little River Pioneers by Miles Womack - a letter from John Warburton Womack to Rebecca Hinds, dated April 29, 1850, in the collection of L.F. Womack II - first he says he was there in Powelton in 1824-5, mentions frequent visits to the "old residence" and the kindness of Sherwood's family (and in typical John Warburton fashion then tells them that they spell his name wrong, it should be Sherod. LOL! Like Sherwood couldn't spell his name anyway he wanted!) Anyway, "Our great grandfather Richard Womack, you know was buried near your old family residence in Hancock County in 1791. He lived in Burk County, Georgia and was on a visit to see his son Abraham (our grandfather) and died soon after his arrival, no doubt from the fatigues of his journey, in his 83rd year." Looking at some topographical maps, I am stumped as to a possible location of the graveyard unless it happens to be an unmarked one - there are 2 I know of in Powelton and I don't think he's in either one. I'm guessing a family graveyard that is probably still someplace known to the locals - I've been looking via cyberspace for the last week or so. Ann
Tuesday, June 27, 2000 at 19:17:47 (PDT)
Ann. Thanks as usual. Ann and Miles - can I still buy a copy of the book? Now then. There is no reason why John Warburton should remember everything correctly, but he do say buried 1791 aged 83. That is born 1708. And buried "near your" (i.e. Rebecca Hinds) place. In Powelton. Near as d*mm*t to Warren County. Where is the "old family residence"? Yours ever grateful, David
Tuesday, June 27, 2000 at 20:21:17 (PDT)
David, I've been trying to figure out where Sherwood's old place was exactly all week. I don't have access to Hancock Co. records from here in MD, and I just can't tell from Sherwood's will - he just says "plantation" and some acreage numbers, and I don't have deeds for him - I have to check Abraham's file still though. I think the deeds will have to be run to figure it out unless the place is still well known to the locals. Ann
Wednesday, June 28, 2000 at 05:43:10 (PDT)
Hancock County GA was created in 1793 from Greene and Washington Counties. Originally, GA may have been attached to some of the Old NC area per the GA GenWeb page..just a lil tidbit from the peanut gallery (no pun intended)..
Wednesday, June 28, 2000 at 07:41:01 (PDT)
Looking for any Information on the followng Womack family.
Believed to be from Illinois, some are buried in Union County, Illinois.
Unknown Womack (Husband)
Sara or Sarah (Wife) b. 1849 d. 1918 (Casper Cemetery in Anna, Illinois)
Alice "Womack" Toms (daug) b. 1883- 4 Aug 1940 (Casper Cemetery) married John Toms
Thomas Jefferson Womack(son) died in Anna, Illinois (Anna Cemetery)married Nellie
Fredrick Womack (son)
William Clement Womack (son)
Wednesday, June 28, 2000 at 10:21:57 (PDT)
Ann. You probably have this, but in case it helps, here is what I have on Sherwood's land. In records I have seen there are references to Sherwood owning land on three water courses. First, Graybill's Creek (first syllable sometimes "Cray"; second syllable sometimes "bell"; and other variants). I never have found this creek, using all possible variants, in either my Georgia Atlas or the USGS GNIS system online. Second, Powell Creek. Third, Ogeechee. The Powell and Ogechee lands were in Captain Hart's tax district of early 19th century. Powell starts in what is now southern Talliaferro Co., (then Hancock) then becomes the border of Talliaferro and Hancock, and runs into the Ogeechee where Talliaferro, Hancock, and Warren intersect. This is all from abstracts. I have not seen actual deeds or plats. And as you know these may all be the same place just described differently.
Yeah, from the descriptions, as near as I can tell, it must be somewhere near the borders of Hancock, Warren and Talliferro - as a guess, say northeast of New Hope Church of Powelton. But, from what little I have here, that's as near as I can come. Ann
Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 18:58:29 (PDT)
I did a query on the Hancock Co page yesterday, this is what I
Thanks to Mary Ann for her consideration and thoughtfulness!!!
I didn't find a Womack at all in the book, "Cemeteries of Hancock Co., Ga."
If your Womack died in 1791, there is a strong possibility that the grave
can not be found. As you know the area was pretty much a wilderness at
that time and people were usually buried on their own land. So far, I have
not found a grave site earlier than 1803.
I did, however, find the following extracts from wills in the book
"History of Hancock Co., Ga.". I hope the information in useful.
Sherwood Womack: w, Nancy; s. Willie, Abraham, Mitchell, Sherwood, Rogers,
Alex Rogers; d. Mary, Rebecah, Sally, Patsey, Nancy Lucreasy".
Hancock Co. Ga. Will Book K, 1820-1824 Page 83 of "History of Hancock Co.,
Ga." by Elizabeth Wiley Smith. c1974.
"Abraham Womack: w. Martha; s. William, Jesse, Shearward, David; d. Peggy,
Mary, Elizabeth, Jessie, Susannah Glenn, Mary Coleman, Sarah; s.l. William
Stone, Clements Glenn, Fraancis Coleman; g.d. Betsey Howard"
Hancock Co., Ga. Will Book AAAA, 1793-1800, page 77 of Smith's "History..."
Mary Ann Willoughby
Friday, June 30, 2000 at 09:01:00 (PDT)
Thanks Sam, that's pretty much what I had, although those will abstracts are missing some useful details. I'm under the impression from John Warburton's letter, that the cemetery was a family one, but that it was marked with stones. Of course, he saw it in 1825 and wrote in 1850 so it's been 150 years since anyone has mentioned the graves! The area still seems to be very rural, no telling what the situation was. Actually, since Abraham was a DAR ancestor type, I was hoping some chapter of the DAR had hunted down his grave and marked it - they've been known to do that in wilder places than Hancock Co - and one of the lists I was going to look at was a DAR compiled list of graves for GA. Then again, my Terrell graveyard in Georgia is in a highway median - a relative tracked it down after many years and set up a fund for the highway department to keep it in good trim. So, you never know. I think some old maps might help here.
Friday, June 30, 2000 at 15:11:52 (PDT)
Hi! I should have elaborated a tad more on my query there!! I know the line of Richard Woomack and yes it was Woomack and Womack within the family. What I'm trying to discover was just recently brought to my attention. Richard had married a Georgianna Hopper. This is what my husband has known for years (her name) however, a relative went to the library there in Arkansas and came across a marriage entry for a Richard Woomack and Georgia Reddin. Same names (except for the Reddin), same birth years, same place. This is a bit of a surprise as we've never seen the name Redding. Now we would like to figure out where the Reddin comes in and if that is her maiden name or if Hopper is her maiden name and if she had yet another marriage. After Richard died she had married a Floyd Donahue which we know of him. Thanx, Kaye
Friday, June 30, 2000 at 20:20:17 (PDT)
On the Woomack, it appears that the name only existed in AR;
and poss another instance - the guy in Australia that is a Womack said that his
family originally, or at some time used the double O's in the name; and if you
use the phonetic pronunciation it can easily be misconstrued as that - and the
intelligent people, untaught in real phonetics, could have easily misspelled the name - but for what it is worth - some are stuck with it -
AND, rmember, according to the old Womack Genealogy series, the name was found disguisted as Wilmoth/Wilmouth and Weymouth also -
Names, even today, are mispelled because the listener hasnt the intelligence to listen - I spell my name to people over the phone and get Wolmack, Wmck, Womck
Wamck, Wamak and whatever - I even get a Mr Woo from some intelligent souls--I have told my boss if any complaints, that the name better be spelled on the complaint as the person wrote it and not as the person who took the complaint - and if not spelled the way I do - then it is not me - just because the person who takes a complaint knows me is not for them to spell correctly - only the way the individual wrote it down - I make no bones about the spelling of me name and will accept no other--