March 2000 Message Archive

IL marriages to 1900 Statewide


If you have known relatives, or just curious, try this
Il marriages to 1900.Found many of another of my families researching here


http://www.sos.state.il.us/depts/archives/marriage.html

For best results run statewide, groom last name only bride separately last name only

I especially wanted Carolyn Powell and Sams and Roger to see this , and of course, all you other Womacks out there.
MJYoung

Pam
For your information: Marriage--

LANKFORD, JOHN WAMMACK, LUCRETIA SHELBY Co IL 02/21/1839

Looking for Jean Goins Gann granddaughter of Surelda Dew Duncan would you please E-Mail as your grandmother Nancy Harmon was a sister to my g-grandmother
Elizabeth Harmon who married Wm H. Wallace. Thank you,
Audrey

i want to say hi to my long lost Jessie Lee Womack, hope she remembers me in her will, if not would consiter marrige. Later, Luv ya, Travis.

Travis your post sounds like a lonely hearts thang - hope you find Jesse

Now Thelma, what yer post gotta do with Womacks?

I was wondering if anyone could give me information on Womacks in the U.K. I have just come across this site and did not realise there was so much research into the name going on. My name is Darren and I was born in Doncaster, Yorkshire, England. My Father left when I was young so I do not know anything about that side of my family and would be interested to learn the history of the name, where it came from and. how it came to the U.K.

I am looking for information on a Jasper Wommack (1860's) and he married Martha(nickname Mattie)from Lincoln County, Missouri. They lived in Auburn, near Troy, Missouri. This line of Womacks are African-American, but I know that Jasper was a slave. I have no idea the name of his father so I'm still in the process of trying to trace down information. Jasper and Martha had 12 children and their son Charlie was born March 26, 1874 in Lincoln County. Charlie married Ada McMurry, the daughter of Washington McMurry. If you have any information on this line of Womacks. I sure would appreciate it. I do know that my womack relatives spell their last name several different ways. Please contact me or my cousin Jamie at jamellah_womack1@excite.com if you have any information.

Thanks,
Dawn Warren

William R Womack Born Oct 4th 1840 Wife Frances Brashaw 1840-1934 were my great great grandprants. I would love to know futher back.(both died in Floyd County GA) Thank You Joe King

I am researching Francis EPPES VII married March 23,1793 to Mildred WOMACK in Virginia.They had 8 children:
Willie
Sarah
Archibald
Francis
Martha
Robertson
Hamlin Lee married to Christian Skinner
Williamson

Please E-mail me with any help.
Thank you

Jean, thanks for the Illinois Marriages 1763-1899 website. Found several bits of information there.

I want to thank Gene also for the Ill.marriages address. Found some of my other lines there. Appreciate the info.

I want to thank Gene also for the Ill.marriages address. Found some of my other lines there. Appreciate the info.

Many Womack researchers are familiar with the story of our cousin Bryant's Korean War heroism, and the fact that the Womack Army Medical Center at Fort Bragg, NC is named after him. This aging Medical Center is slated to be closed in the next month or so, and a brand-spanking new Medical Center (also bearing the Womack name) will be re-dedicated in his honor. This is a beautiful facility with all the modern capabilities of a major city hospital. I'll be sure to notify WGN when arrangements for the ceremony and ribbon-cutting have been finalized. Anyone interested in attending this ceremony or obtaining information about it can contact me via email.

GenesGene
Yep Thankee, copied all that Roger didnt have and posted(all variations
other than Womack).

Searching for parents, family, siblings of George S. Wommack b.Aug. 1837 Ala. He had at least 2 daughters, one of whom was Geneva DeLora Womack b. 5 Sept. 1880 in Ala, d. 1 Dec. 1918 in Wayne, McClain Co., Okla., m. John Lee Shuford probably in Texas, where they lived in Hill Co., in Itasca and Odessa. George supposedly was a Baptist minister who became a Mormon. He is found in the 1900 Utah census in Salina Pct., Sevilor Co., Utah living alone. He was 62. In 1900 Geneva "Lora" was living with the William Poe fam. in Hill Co., Tx, as a servant, according to the census. I have found a George Stewart Wommaack b. 1837 who m. Aurella Rice in Fayette Co., Ala 26 May 1867. Does anyone know if these 2 Georges are the same person? George S. is my gg grandfather. Geneva "Lora" and John Lee had 6 children, Howard, Stanley Bratton, Amy Bell, Annah, Aurelius Gustavus "A. G." and Phillip. Stanley was my grandfather.My mother, his dau., remembers going to Wommack fam. reunions in Texas @ 1967.

any frankie lymon life stories or issues you have done, or plan to do in the future? I would love information about him. He has been overlooked by so many people.

Ancestry.com has a database for today re Tenn Pension Applications for the Civil War. Believe you can reach it free, but if not, and you want to know a particular Womack that may be on it, I will be happy to email the information found there. There are twenty names mentioned: A. E., A. J., Amos Edward; Daniel; Widow of Daniel, Sarepta E.; F. G.; F. M., Widow of F> M., Mary O.; J. M.,J. P.; James J.; John Mulican; John; Jordan Hale; T. N.; W. R.; Wiley G.; William D., William H. and William R.

Ancestry.com has a database for today re Tenn Pension Applications for the Civil War. Believe you can reach it free, but if not, and you want to know a particular Womack that may be on it, I will be happy to email the information found there. There are twenty names mentioned: A. E., A. J., Amos Edward; Daniel; Widow of Daniel, Sarepta E.; F. G.; F. M., Widow of F> M., Mary O.; J. M.,J. P.; James J.; John Mulican; John; Jordan Hale; T. N.; W. R.; Wiley G.; William D., William H. and William R.

Ancestry also has Tennesse marriages 1850-1900 up for free for the next few days. There were 143 Womacks listed on a quick check.

Ann
Roger and I got em all and up and runnin

Looking for information about Robert Henry Womack married to Minnie James Taylor of Greenville, AL. These were my Grandparents and Robert was originally from Winchester, Tennessee where I had an Uncle Ollie ??? & an Uncle Jack & Aunt Irene Statum and they had a daughter Patsy in Tullahoma, TN.

My Mother told me that our Womacks were married into the Cherokee or Choctaw Indian line but I'm not sure how. If anyone has info on my line, please let me know.
THANKS!!!
:-)

I am trying to find any information on a Roscoe Womack.
My grandfather Walter Alexander Guy raised Rosco Womack. I belive that he was my grand mother's son, and her madien name was Liddie Ann Tomlinson, Her mother's blood line were Mc cruly's from Ardmore Okla.
In a 1910 census for Ardmore he is listed in my Grand Dad's family.
They said he was fun loving kind of a guy, and he was the baby so they gave him alot of attention. If there is any kind of information you may have please let me know, they also called him cos for short and Costillo.

Thank You very Much,
La Rue Ann Guy ALegria

I am trying to find any information on a Roscoe Womack.
My grandfather Walter Alexander Guy raised Rosco Womack. I belive that he was my grand mother's son, and her madien name was Liddie Ann Tomlinson, Her mother's blood line were Mc cruly's from Ardmore Okla.
In a 1910 census for Ardmore he is listed in my Grand Dad's family.
They said he was fun loving kind of a guy, and he was the baby so they gave him alot of attention. If there is any kind of information you may have please let me know, they also called him cos for short and Costillo.

Thank You very Much,
La Rue Ann Guy ALegria

I am looking for information about my gg grandfather, Elijah John Wommack. I was told by my father that he didn't know how to spell and he therefore changed the spelling of the name from Womack to Wommack. He lived in Marrietta TX. His son was Andrew Murray Wommack and his son Winford Raymond Wommack.

could you tell me the heritage of womack, are they native american.
there is a story about my family and a womack .
i want to know if womacks are native american and what tribe and if they were ever in virginia..

thanks
kim

Kim, We are all a story about a Womack and a family. As far as native american, I was born in Chattanooga, I guess that makes me a native american. Or is that naive american. As far as a tribe we got three. As I believe it to be the Womack name began in this country in Virginia.

Andrew, Elijah John was the son of William Womack sp Elizabeth Sheppard. There is much confusion as to who he belongs to. There are others working on this line, I hope they get in touch. I believe I have down to you if you are Winford's son Andy.

As far as a Womack being Native American, there are some that married into the Native Amrican tribes - many of them hid that association because of the times - as far as the origin of Womack, probably English - tho there are similar names on the continent - so lets stay with the brits for now - if you truly have Native American ancestry and can prove it, I apologize; but for you wannabees, prove it!

I am looking for relatives of Catherine Womack, She is the only one I know of. She married George Call in 1894. She was born in 1875 and died in 1963. They owned a clothing/feed/ hardware store on main square in Manchester TN. Any information would be helpful.

Eloise, I have a Cassie J. Womack who married George W. Call, all the dates and places are close. She was the daughter of John Hawkins Womack sp Cassie Morris. I don't know if she went by Catherine, I'll send you an email with a little more info in it, let me know?

Need info on Temperance (Tempy) WOMACK m. 3-17-1783 in Southampton, VA to James C. ALSOBROOK. I found the following in a WGN newsletter and need more on it.

to each of the following: Jordan Wammack's children; William Wammack's children; James Wammack; Thomas Wammack; David Wammack; Kinchen Wammack; Asa Wammack; Kinchen Harris & children; Carter Harris & two children; James & Tempy Alsobrook's children; Drew King's children

I need all the WOMACK line as I have none right now.
Thanks,
Jennifer

Andrew Wommack, please furnish with a correct email address. My GGF was
Elijah John Wommack and I have further infomation. Thanks.

I had a hard drive crash and lost a lot of data and all email addresses.
For all that reads this, please furnish me with you email address. Thanks.
I will arrange for better backup procedures.

I am looking for a connection. William Alfred JONES (b. 1777 Caswell County NC) married 1801 to Sarah Standard (Standrod) (b. 1778 NC). Their first son was LEVI WOMACK JONES (b. 1802 Caswell County NC). This family used a naming convention that indicates that William was the son of Levi JONES and that Sarah Standard's mother's family was WOMACK. William Jones was a Prebyterian Minister at one time, and his second son was a Methodist minister. I know it is not much to go on, but any possible connections? Jim Moody, Wasilla, Alaska

Looking for a connection fro a Henry J. Womack. He was in Madison County Tennessee for the 1850 Census having several children there. Can anybody give me any help.

Hello,

I am searching for my grandfather's,Omer L. Womack, birthplace (in Texas, I presume)and for the origions of his parents, W.B. Womack and Purnia (Neighbors) Womack. I know Omer was born in either 1888 or 1892 and he died October 7, 1966 in Fannin County, Texas.

All imput is greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

Linda Hammersmith

Hello I am looking for any of my family on my Fathers side. Dainel Womack he passed away when I was 3 years old I know they live in MO mostly Poplarbluff MO I havent had much contacted with them. I know some of he brothers and sisters names Steve Womack,David Womack,Norman Womack,Shirley Womack,Ilene Womack ,Judy Womack, Their are a total of 18 brothers and sisters.If any one one here knows them please email me so I can have a way to get in touch with them thank you ....Shelly Womack

I have discovered that George Stewart Wommack's parents were William b.1781 Cumberland, NC and Edith Stewart Wommack. They had the following children: Manerva b. 1827, Jacob Gaston b. 1829, William b. 1834, George Stewart b. 1837, Sarah b. 1839,Elizabeth b. 1841. All the children were b. in Ala. George lived in Alabama in Tuscaloosa and Fayette Counties. He married 10 Aurella Rice and had two sons, H.b abt 1867 and S.b. abt. 1870 in Ala. according to the census. He married Helen E. ? before 1871-their children were Wiley H. b. 1871, Alma b.1872 and Geneva DeLora "Lora" b. 1880, all in Alabama. Searching for William's father and ancestors, and sibling lines.

May 15, 1779 ALBRIDGTON WOMACK bought 300 acres from James Booker and Pheby,
his wife.
Does anyone have this ALBRIDGTON WOMACK identified and a genie sheet on him??
Thanks PJ

The previous message was in Chatham Co, NC.
The same Co, state.
JOHN WOMMACK sells 40 to James Allen on Feb 1783.QUOTE, THIS JOHN WOMMACK
IS A DESCENDANT OF OLD ABRAHAM WOMOCK/WOMACK. THE FAMILY ORIGINALLY IS ISLE
OF WIGHT CO. VA. 1600S.stop quote.
Does anyone have this family identified?? Thanks PJ

I am trying to do a bit of research on my husbands family. Of course, I've slammed up against one of those famous brick walls. Here is all I know about the Womack side: Robert(Bob)Womack was married to Melissa ? ,this would date somewhere in the early to mid 1800's, maybe. Their son is James(Jim) Womack who married to Martha Ann ? . This couple's daughter, Naomi Elizabeth Womack, who married James(Jim) Bogle is my husband's greatgrandmother. The only proven date is Naomi's daughter Nolie was born on Sept.9,1910.& another daughter,Evie Emily was born in 1900. Can anyone help me? Thanks so much! Ellen

I have just learned that my gggrandmother's maiden name was Womack and she was born in Arkansas. Her first name was Phoebe, she was probably born about 1810 or 1815, she married Joseph Riddle, a Choctaw Indian, and they lived in Tamaha OK. She had two children, Jesse 1846, and Elizabeth Laura 1848. She was registered in the Choctaw Nation as Non-citizen, intermarried white. In 1855, she lived in San Bois Co., Indian Territory.
Does anyone have any further information on this lady?
Thanks,
Barbara

Perhaps after this we may need to redefine Warmack as also a possible separate and different name like the Warnacks and Warnocks that occasionally get confused also--

Sam, Happy to hear from you. I am still having a problem believing that I am
connected to the name Womack. {I do have another line with a Womack in it.}
Sam this is the story I have that came from two different sources and I have
no proof at this time. I was told that my ancestor's name was Ian Warmack..
Ian was born in Scotland. He fought in the Scottish rebellion of 1745. He was
found guilty of treason in a mass trial of 747 people on August 12, 1746, in
Carlisle, England. He was pardoned on the condition of transportation to
colonies for life. Received 120 acres of land from Oglethrope's agent in
1752. I have found some land titles in Habersham County, Georgia. The name
WARMACK is a Scottish Border Riding name. The name Womack is from England.
SOOOOOOOOOOO what do you think of this story? The two people with the family
history did not know each other but came from the same line. I am not saying
that there are not a lot of Warmack that should be Womack, I just don't think
I may be one of them. Take Care! Laurie

Meigs County Tn. marriages 1838-1900 are online Go to usgennet.org to get there.
By the way Sam and Roger thanks again for the help.

Alva,
You are welcome; AND THANK YOU for the heads up - had to send a mail to correct me GG-GF and his ladies names but that be OK; and I did confirm that her father was married 3 times instead of two - had a hint of one; and, lo and be danged if it werent theah on the 1850 and on stuff!!
This kinda stuff is what we were talking about - no matter what it is; how big or small - srop the hints and let us all look at them -
Alva, again you deserve a hug so, {{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}!!!

Looking for any information on family and descendants of 2 Day brothers from Western PA who settled in Yolo Co CA about the turn of 1900. Samuel Chester Day born: 1870 in either Mercer or Venango Co PA, married Grace Dunton from Yolo Co CA. His brother, JAMES JASPER DAY was born: 1873 in either Mercer or Venango Co PA, and married MARY WOMACK from Yolo Co CA They were both fruit growers and shippers. I know they both had children. Samuel maintained a suite at the Fairmont Hotel in San Francisco, where his niece, Daisy Pearl Day August, visited him in 1930. James Jasper Day may have been active in CA politics. I would love to update their families on the Day Family Tree, and will gladly share information. Thanks.

I'm hoping I can get help here. I'm new to the search for my grandmother's family history. Her name was Mattie Lenora Womack,she married Joseph Edward Liles in Haralson County,Georgia, June 18,1922. her birth date was 1900. I've been told her father was John Thomas Womack jr., married to Emma Evelyn Bell. it's not known how many children they had,but the ones my aunt can remember are John,Roscoe,Mattie,Tommy the youngest. Her house burned down when i was 11 years old, so all the bibles and paperwork are gone. I'm sorry about no dates. this is all i've been able to find.can some one help me to go back as far as i can. i'm working in the dark on where to look.

WOMACK-MOODY

I am looking for a MARY WOMACK b.? d.1855/1856 who married an AMOS MOODY b.1814 Barren Co.,KY. D.1855/1856. He owned land in PERRY,DECATUR,and WAYNE Co.,TN They died and the families took in the children and raised them. 3 of the children are on the 1860 Independence Co., AR census with Joshua and Joanna Moody. My ggAunt believed the names of the children were: Martha, Mary, John,Amos,Peter,William Thomas, and James Harvey. If any one has any information about a MOODY married to a WOMACK or these names sound familiar, please send me any information you have or suggestion on where to go from here.

Thanks so much!
Jeannia

WHERE IS PAUL KONRAD !?!?!?!?!
I have been tuning in every day for the past 2 weeks and NO PAUL !!!
I do like all of your other newscasters but to be honest....Paul is
truly the funny bone that makes the mornings fun. I MISS HIM !!!!
The news is depressing enough for the most part and if we can received it
with some humor, it makes it all that more enjoyable. I hope he's not out
looking for a new job because he upset the management @ WGN.


THANK YOU

Lisa, I have John Thomas Womack born 1853 sp Emma Evelyn Bell as the son of Thomas Green Womack sp Charity Elizabeth Pepper not as John Thomas Womack Sr. This is one of those confusing lines though, it is based on family tradition with not much source info. I've always wondered why his parents and siblings ended up in Idaho and not him. I would like to compare notes with you.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH If I was a person looking for the WGN radio station, I would review the site a little before posting a message. Then I would probably wonder why everyone working there is named Womack. Sorry, just struck my Womack funny bone. Nadine

I am looking for any connections to Womacks out of Princeton KY. That is where my dad is from. My Grandfather was Cordis Womack also born in KY. I remember him telling me that his grandfather came to the US from Germany, but i have no names. I am search all of his personal info hoping to find more. If any one has any info please let me know.

Michael Womack

roger, thank you so much. my dad recognized some of the names you found for me. the tommy i posted,i met him when i was a teenager. it's not known what happened to him, but he was my grandmother's baby brother(mattie lenora). my aunt said she heard he died in florida. but no one knows for sure.she also told me that my grandmother didn't like to talk about her family,but would never say why.her brother ira roscoe w. had two children that my dad can remember, a son named after him, whose nickname was "boots", i met him too.he's also passed on. and a daughter named betty. that's all i've been able to get.mattie lenora w. had seven children, all but one are still alive. my dad is the fifth child. would you like all their names and there children?
i've got a few more people i can talk to, when i can get to them. i'll try to keep you up on what i find.thanks again.
lisa

Michael
If any Womacks come from Germany, that was because they went there from England and etc and stayed awhile - Many Womacks use Poland as a coverup for where their Womack's came from; but this Germany is a new one - where in Germany and what was the exact spelling of the name?? There are Womacks in Germany, but only because of retired military living there - or a child born of a union of American/German returning to those roots - perhaps a short stay of a few years for other reasons - origin Germany--I think not

On a tape made by a cousin of my grandfather she refers to 2 Frenchmen in Tenn. Willie Lafayette Womack and James Jasper Womack, brothers, whose father had changed his name from Blanton when he came to US. Willie Lafayette Womack was my gfather of some number if I ever figure it out. My question is,does anyone know if there are Womacks(Blantons ? ) immigrating from France? I really have doubts on that part, but don't know for sure. Thanks

On the 1910 census for Sebastian Co., Arkansas, there was a Joe Wamack 56 years old b in Germany and spouse Lizzie 55 also born in Germany. Shows a daughter Sophie,35 b MO; son Adolph,35 b MO; son Cooney,30 b AR; dau Louise,27 b AR; son William,18 b AR; also shows a granddaughter Helen Baummister,NR b AR; sister-in-law T.D.,31 b AR; and Conden Herdiman, female age 84 b in Germany. Looks like they were in Arkansas at least 30 years prior to the 1910 census. However, I can't find them on the 1900 census. Anyone have anything on this bunch?

Betty,
I have a couple of James Jaspers in my database, I have one who had a brother named Willis,or at least that is how I have it recorded, this may be Willie Lafayette. They were the sons of Thomas Womack and Elizabeth Blanton, Thomas was the son of Anderson believed to be the son of Thomas and Louvisa Rice, although I have seen that in question recently. As far as who Thomas sp Louvisa belongs to your guess is as good as anyones. But I believe he is connected to the Womack line somewhere back there. There's a lot of stories out there on him. Hopefully we will get him sorted out someday.

I find the Germany connection to be interesting. About 25 years back I met a Larry Womack who told me his family stories were that their Womack ancestors were in the early Virginia colonies, that they had sailed from England and that sometime prior to that they had come to England from The Netherlands. Then someone a few months back tells the story of the Womacks leaving England about the 13th century, moving to the Netherlands and then sometime later returning to England. Larry knew nothing of our William and his famly. I've heard you shoudn't be too hasty to dismiss Family stories. Besides, where there's smoke, there just might be a little fire.
I posted a message last summer looking for the grave of David Womack II, husband of Sarah Norris. With a few phone calls and a lot of pure luck I found him in the Everett cemetery just off hi-way 13 about 6 miles north of Mendenhall, Miss. Keep up the good work.
Lloyd

Well, just to make things more confusing - my brother-in-law is of Czech descent. His mother asked me once about the name Womack and whether it was Czech. (I was borrowing her family to do a genealogy assignment for the NGS course - none of my relatives have handy immigration records - even the ones who came in the 1880s seem to have landed by parachute) She thought Womack was an Americanization of Womicek. I'm perfectly willing to bet there are in fact a few Womacks running around the US who were at one point Womiceks, but I don't think our Virginians were from that far afield! BTW, going to the Netherlands from England and back and thence to VA, would probably be a story about persecution of some form - that's the way the Pilgrims got here! And I wouldn't be betting against the Womacks being Cavaliers who beat it out of England and then went back and then to VA.

Michael, I live only 20 miles from Princeton Ky. I'm through there all the time. The Caldwell Co. courthouse is there. If I knew what to look for, Father's name, time frame, etc., I could do some looking. I live in Trigg Co. At one time I believe Caldwell, Trigg, and Lyon Co.'s were all one. I have never thought to look in my own back yard for Womack's. You've got me curious now. Be glad to help.
Nadine

For what it is worth - Womacek is a Czech name meaning something like small nice cuddly etc - per a lady in Tucson AZ that has spend 40 years trying to help people straighten out the names Ellis Island screwed up - there is also a name Womachka that exists today in the midwet but not many - 3 or 4 left I think,daughtering out--Novak, Novack or Novackski are Polish and close relatives if you look at them - Woomack another spelling tends to lean toward the Dutch - any one can read anything into any name - like one of the ancient stories is that the Womack's came from Holland to help the English drain marshes and recover the land for farms etc - and they stayed - there are others about them being the sort of overlords of a north-south road running thru Yorkshire and making people pay tol or else - lotsa legends and etc - Supposedly Warmack, anbother of our derivatives as shown below some thinki Scots Border - there was a name Cormack that is similar and may be confused, am trying to establish if Cormack may have been the Border Scots mentioned--
As far as that legend of 1300's from Scotland to Netherlands, that is something someone has on the web; and that I posted here as a item of interest - Darren Womack in England's Grandfather or great came from Holland to England - figure that one out..I guess the best thing to say about that is:
WE ARE NOT ALONE!!!

Am looking for roots. My father was Boyington McInnes Wommack, born 10/20/03, Cass Co. Tx. to Robert Jackson Wommack and Elizabeth (Bettie) Hinnant Wommack. Siblings were Marion, Lewis, Edna, and Robert Jackson (Jack).

I was playing around with the 14 day free ancestry access - I tried the Korean and Vietnam death databases - Vietnam yielded 2 Womack deaths - Roy Arnold Womack, b. 3/12/1948 d. 3/30/69 from Ft. Smith AR and Robert Lee Womack b. 1/18/30 d. 10/11/65 from Shreveport LA.

Korea -
Bryant H. Womack age 31, Rutherford NC
Clarance Womack age 21 Contra Costa CA
Edward R. Womack age 27 Lunenburg VA
King S Womack age 19 Pittsylvania VA
Marion M Womack age 28 Harris TX
Robert W. Womack age 31 Etowah AL
William F. Womack Long Beach CA

Some thoughts about the Origin of Family. Speaking of the VA family to which almost all of us trace our ancestry. First, I am now pretty much convinced there is no verifiable record of the existence of the "William the Immigrant" supposedly of Henrico. If anyone provides one, I'll be the first to applaud. Second, there certainly was, still is, an English family of Yorkshire/Norfolk base, to which some persons have linked the VA family, without, as far as I can see, a shred of verifiable evidence. Again, evidence to the contrary welcomed. That doesn't mean William and/or the link never existed - as someone said here the other day, no smoke without fire (maybe!). Anyway, if that is "the origin", note that the Yorkshire/Norfolk folk were staunchly establishment - Church of England - with christenings, Bishops, etc. going back to the 15th century through at least the Restoration. The only time they would have been likely to go to Europe because of persecution would have been around the time of the Civil War/Commonwealth/Protectorate. And I am not aware that large numbers of the King's supporters did that. Of course the guys who came here may have been dissenters from the majority view of their family! Maybe that's why the infamous Bishop, who did have kids, didn't leave his stuff to them. And our guys, as noted here before, don't show up in anybody's religious records, Quaker, Anglican, Presbyterian, in VA. From the civil records where they do appear, they don't seem to have been very pious. Maybe they just came. It seems likely there is a Norfolk/Yorkshire connection simply because that's the only place where there were a lot of Womacks in the seventeenth century. Wish we could find the connection.

David, I would like to applaud the finder also, every so called source I have tried to chase down dead ends. A few that have been used I believe are in reference to his supposed son William. I'm glad this subject comes up from time to time, perhaps some of the new researchers will jump in and do some looking also. Also forget Charles Augustus Womack that many have atop their genealogy, he's another one, I would like to know if he even existed, much less related. There was a Charles Augustus Womack born in 1867. But I have found no records on the c.1575 Charles Augustus Womack anywhere. He belongs in there with Ashby. There are some who believe that a Richard was the Immigrant based on the 1672 land patent, because they feel that Richard born 1655 was to young, being 16 or 17 years old, was to young to have received the land patent. So to them it means it was an older Richard. However, as we have found, people 16 and 17 did have land patents. There is as many records out there for an elder Richard the Immigrant as there is a William the Immigrant, none. One thing I feel pretty confident about is those kids in Henrico had parents, and whoever our unknown Immigrant was he's our gg........grandaddy.

OK on the subject of the land patent - if we are talking about the one where
the 450 or so acres was given for transporting 9 people over here; wouldnt it
seem more likely that an older person was the one who had the money to do it,
then perhaps giving the patent to his younger son?? I am not saying a 16/17 year old might not have had some wealth back then; and that is what it took
to get those people over here and get the 50 acres apiece for them - again like everything else in that time era - conjecture..

On the subject of Bishop Lawrence, at least we know he existed - info I have
received indicates he married 3 times, fathered 3 daughters, by which unknown, and had no male heirs; and, that a nephew was his heir--named Lawrence also.

Any way we can beat this to death and probably never will, in our lifetimes,
reach the real truth about our phantom Immigrant. Unless, something exists in
those old colonial records that may be housed in the UK.

I think it kind of ironic, of all the sites that were settled in the early 1600's; the only existence of a sort of census appears to be of that record of the living/dead of 1623/24..then little of anything else till those rent rolls or tithe rolls later on..

Oh well, until someone comes forward with something guess we kinda stagnate on that era in our research - so guess we need to just fill in the blanks where we can in others..

Well, if anyone wants to read something Bishop Womack wrote - there is a sermon or pamplet or something of his that the U of VA has in it's library in the rare books. I keep meaning to go look at it (you need permission from the library to use the rare books) but never have.

Good to hear from you, Roger, Sam and Ann. Here are some more thoughts. About the earliest, Richard, 1673 land patent. Sam is right to wonder where an 18 year old would have got the wherewithal, and a father is a possibility. So is a dead father - maybe he had just inherited it. So is a father-in-law; the land is adjacent to that of John Puckett; the patent may have been a dowry. But Roger is right: there is not a shred of evidence for the existence on these shores for that Henrico family of anyone older that the guys we know were brothers - Abraham, Richard, John, William and Thomas (did I get one too many?). They just show up one day. Maybe the brothers immigrated as a group. I wish I had a buck for every ancestor I have like that - they just show up one day, in VA, or PA, or NC, or SC - with no clue where they came from or who they came from. About the Bishop, I've seen at least one source (dubious, but then they all are) which says he had at least one son as well as daughters from his three marriages. Why did he name a nephew as heir? Maybe the son was dead, or had gone off to America, or he just didn't like him - possibly because he was a dissident. As Sam says, until we get facts, it's just conjecture, and it's a good bet the facts are in the UK and not here. Finally, a question for Ann: do you have an exact reference for that Bishop Womack work in UVA? I'm planning a May trip there.

Well, the one I was thinking of in special collections at UVA is as follows:

Author: Womock, Laurence, 1612-1685.
Title: Beaten oyle for the lamps of the sanctvarie; or The
great controversies concerning set prayers and our
liturgie, examined in an epistle to a private friend:
with an appendix that answers the parallels, and the
most materiall objections of others against it. Unto
which are added some usefull observations touching
Christian libertie, and things indifferent.

Publication info: London, Printed by I.D. for I.W. and are to be sold by
William Beesley in Charles Street in Coven Garden
neere the Peates, 1641.
Description: [6] p. l., 62 p. 20 cm.

Note: Pages 21, 46, 47 and 59 numbered 17, 47, 46 and 57
respectively.

Note: Wing W3338.
Local note: On spine: The reformation of the liturgy. Vol.1 [no.5]

1640-1645.
Subject: Church of England--Liturgy.


SPEC-COLL CALL NUMBER COPY MATERIAL LOCATION

1)M 1640 .R44 v.1 no.5 1 RAREBOOK SC-MCGR-RM


Author: Womock, Laurence, 1612-1685.
Title: A short way to a lasting settlement; shewing: I. That
Parliaments are not infallible. II. Who are their
great enemies. III. How to redeem their reputation.
With a warning to all loyal gentlemen and freeholders,
in a letter to Fanaticus Ignoramus [pseud.]

Publication info: London, Printed for Robert Clavel, 1683.
Description: 32 p. 20 cm.

Cited in: Wing W3351
Subject: Great Britain. Parliament.

Subject: Divine right of kings.
Subject: Great Britain--Politics and government--1660-1688.

Related name: Ignoramus, Fanaticus, pseud.


SPEC-COLL CALL NUMBER COPY MATERIAL LOCATION
1)JN555 .W6 1683 1 RAREBOOK SC-STKS

But, if you stuff the name Laurence WOMOCK into the catalog, you'll also find on microfilm a dozen or so more sermons of various ilks available in the microfilm room in the main library. Tell you what - go to the UVA website, click on Library, and search on both Womack and WOMOCK, as under Womack you will also find some fun old books like JJ Womack's Civil War diaries. You'll also find the rules there for visiting special collections. Have FUN!

More on Arthur Womack
Although the people of Norfolk generally supported the parliamentary cause during the English Civil War, the royalist sympathy of the Womacks there at the time of the Protectorate is a matter of record. In 1658, information was presented against Arthur Womack ( d. 1685 ) and others, charging them with endeavering to prepare, at their cost, a horse and a man for the King of Scots ( as King
Charles II was then commonly called ) and Arthur Womack was particularly charged with speaking these words:

"Here is Health unto his Majesty,
Pray God confound his Foes,
And the Devil take all Round-heads,
For we are none of those."

He was also charged with abusing the Government thus:

"Hey-ho! for a two-penny halter,
When you are hanged, you shall have good quarter,
Oh! twould be, a brave sight, to see
All the Round-heads hang on a tree.
Oh! Ye Rogues, ye must all come to it."

Ann, thanks. I had looked under Womack but didn't think of Womock. Roger, right, most of those Norfolk Womack guys were Royalists, not dissidents. I'm waiting for Jan to remind us some of the Royalists and some of the Womacks were Catholic.

Hi,
I'm just in the process of posting David some docs that he may be able to translate and share with you all. Also I have just discovered that I have a copy of the Ann and Roger have quoted from. In fact I have 15 pages of the stuff which I suppose I had better sift through & share. Just quickly one note says of Bishop Laurence:
He was well-regarded by "Authority" and was appointed archdeacon of suffolk soon after the Restoration. By 1663 he had become a Doctor of Divinity by royal prescription, a prebendary of both Hereford and Ely Cathedrals,and, in keeping with the family traditions, the incumbent of two Suffolk rectories (ref. Dictionary of National Biography(DNB), sub art. WOMACK). In 1683 in Charles II last 4 years of unparliamentary government, he published perhaps his last political pamphlet, "A Short Way to a Lasting Settlement". This is full of warnings against the interested [arties who have made it impossible for kings and parliaments to retain their dignities at one and the same time. Womock warns "All Loyal Gentlemen and Freeholders" in particular to---

"Take heed of such as are DISCONTENTED at their DISAPPOINTMENTS in pursuit of their designs of Avarice or Ambition" (ref.(Laurence Womack): A Short Way to Lasting Settlement, London 1683, p30E)

It goes on to say that:
In November of the same year he was consecrated Bishop of S.Davids in the archbishops chapel at Lambeth. Having realised the ambition of becoming bishop, however, he does not seem to have gone into residence at his see before his death in 1685 (note from me - I think this is because the parliamentarians wrecked the Bishops Palace at St. Davids Pembrokeshire, Wales. Also its a hell of a way from East Anglia where he lived). He was buried at S. Margarets westminster, where there is a memorial to him and his only child, Anne, who died at the age of 19.(ref DNB, bc.cit).
This is just one excerpt. there are another 13 pages of similar. If Sam or Roger want to plough through them - well send me your address & I'll copy & post to the first request I receive.
Regards Jan

Sorry, forgot to edit last message - hope you can translate & read between the lines where necessary! Jan.

Ps. The prestigious post of Bursar of Cambridge University is at present taken by a Mrs. Womack.

pps.My daughter has been offered a place at Cambridge University for this Autumn - it's quite creepy to think that she'll be walking the same paths as the Old Bishop Laurence took 400 years ago. Perhaps she'll even find some of his graffiti scratched into her room wall!!!

Hello again,
I posted a message on March 11,2000 about trying to find some information about my husbands branch of the Womack tree. I had a reply shortly from someone but their email to me accidently got erased before I had a chance to answer them. The person asked where my husbands Womacks came from.If you are the one that answered me ....I finally got around to asking my mother-in-law and all she could tell me was "the hills of Tennessee" and nothing back past that. She also says that there are Native Americans in the line somewhere and the names Bogle and King are also involved. Thanks so much for anyone that can help me.... Ellen

Milady Jan
What would it take to induce you to look into those old colonial records that were in Somerset House now somewhere else?

What's an old colonial record? Somerset House no longer houses BDM it's all gone to St. Catherine's House, Aldwych, London. Is that where you mean?

Speaking of early sources. I've been burrowing around to find in my papers the earliest reference I have to the supposed Norfolk/Bishop Lawrence connection. The best I can do today is an article from "Bulletin Virginia State Library" (alas I don't have volume, date etc.) pp. 198-200 inter alia, which gives a "Womack Family (Direct Line of Descent) Compiled by Jean Stephenson, 1913". Now did I dream it, or did someone once refer to Jean Stephenson, possibly as a relative, in this forum? If we could find out who has her papers (hoping that somebody does) they might provide some clues as to where this story came from.

Some further research (DAR Records) gives Jean Stephenson as descendant of Richard Womack III - Jesse - John - Aurelia m. Isaac Baker - Jack Baker - Mattie Baker m. Edwin Napier Stephenson. Anybody out there later in that line?

Jan yes that is what I meant the place where they moved all the old records - and some old Colonial American records are suppose dto be housed there - those
prior to the lil spat in the late 17's.

From what I understand many of the early records were copied and taken back to England, taxes, and other reasons. At least until the War and seperation from England, Don't have a clue where the're at now but over 160 years of records went back there. Sure might shed some light on many things if we could get access to them.

Dr Jean Stephenson of the Stephenson Institute, methinks, started by her father is a Womack descendant - She is mentioned, as I remember, in the old Womack
Genealogy from McMinnville TN - Also, as I rememeber it was she who blew the
whistle on the fake Womack Crest shownin those genealogies -

Keep in mind, merely because one Womack may have one of those dang thangs, we all are not authorized its use - only the direct lineage of the one so authorized can do so - two brothers, one gets awarded one of them - his linegage can use forever - his brother's line has no right to it - I am not sure if I said that right but the gist of it came from the people who have the
heraldry stuff in the UK, College of Heraldry or some such name...cant remember
the nameof the gentleman that e mailed me back that; but was a very pleasant and informative fellow..

So, since the Bishop quite apparently didnt leave any known male progeny, then
what ever he had daughtered out---

And quite frankly, I am beginning to wonder who invented Charles Augustus of the late 1500's - perhaps Jan could elucidate on that sometime, and Jan, I AM NOT implying you invented any one(that does sound rather accusing doesnt it?) - Who invented William and Mary - obviously Richard and Abraham had a father, the same or otherwise - and so did those others in that era. Obviously the name William means something as it has been carried down for a number of generations - ironic how some wills and other documentation from that era have survived and others didnt...ahhhh such is the life of a genealogist, especially amateurs fighting those which have been done by pro's who gave people what they wanted whether or not fact or fiction -

Sam,
Not guilty on the Charles Augustus front, I've no idea who he is.
Do I sense a campaign to get me down to "the smoke" to do some research?
Jan

Well, Dr. Jean Stephenson is actually the late Dr. Jean. She practically lived at the DAR library in her retirement. In an effort once to see who had her files, I did some tracking. The DAR doesn't have them. I hadn't gotten much farther - they thought her daughter might have them or one of the local genealogy societies, but I left the trail there.

As for the colonial records. Well, there is the Colonial Records project that for years has been digging through those VA records in England. The index is on-line (try accessing through the library of VA) There ain't no Womacks there. Or at least never have been - the project is still on going. So, for instance, if you type in Womack or any of the variations I've tried - you get zippo. As a better example, type in Terrell, and you'll find the two progenitors of the Terrells (brothers) in VA recorded there traveling back and forth and filing documents, etc. It has ship lists, wills - all sorts of stuff indexed, and I've never seen a Womack.

Sorry to be the bearer of poor tidings! Been there, done that, found zippo....

Sorry to be thick but what does VA stand for?

Jan
Standard US Postal abbreviation for state of Virginia...

Oh Yes and on those Standard US Postal abbreviations, if you dont know what they are or how to use them - your local post office has a book with them and how to address mail - they are going to get strict shortly--
I.E. AK is not Arkansas; it is Alaska
AR is not Arizona, it is Arkansas, Arizona is AZ
there are no longer three letter abbreviations for the the states only 2's.
and they are ALCAPS not Az or Ar or Ak
There are also no periods between the letters and a comma between the city and state is unnecessary--
IF we ALL start using standard abbreviations, both genealogical and postal,
merging files on any program will improve 100%--extraneous trash such as quotes or apostrophes before a name or city or etc is totally unnecessary and not only detracts from the neatness of a file; but also looks unprofessional.
One of the most useless pieces of, yes I am going to say it, crap I have ever seen are those WFT estimates on FTM - If you are gullible enough to submit to WFT, at least have the courtesy to put about dates instead of leaving blanks -
lean and clean, short, concise and direct to the point--
soap box time ovah - lets keep them Womacks coming heah in droves, well in at least a little better dribble than then have...

Milady Jan
Now where wouldst ye get the wee idee that someone was trying to get you to smoke? Uh, I mean go where there is smoke? I wouldnt to that to ye, and dont think any of the others would either..but if you happened by, well, heck..

OOPS! Sorry! VA is Virginia. UVA, which I mentioned in an earlier message, is the University of Virginia. I suppose I'm lucky I didn't mention something REALLY weird like UMCP - which is the University of Maryland - College Park. LOL!

ok, ok. If you lot can use abbrevs I don't understand, well so can I. "The smoke" = London. But I bet you knew that.
I can't get to London right now but I promise to go to the Yorkshire geneological society sometime in the next fortnight & see if I can find anything pre-1600 there.
There is St. Catherines House for BDM but only back to 1870 & there is the PRO (public record office). I went once when I lived in London. It is limited access, first come first served. I queued from 06.30, anyone not resident or staying in London doesn't have a chance. Then you've got to know exactly what youre looking for & queue for that. It's not big on being customer friendly either. Jan.

Well, as usual, Ann is miles ahead of the rest of us. I think maybe it would be worth trying to pick up the Jean Stephenson trail again. Ann, do you think she would still be remembered at the DAR? Did she have any official status there? I'd be willing to inquire on my next visit which will be in May. Information which Roger sent me shows her as the author of something called "Record of the Womack Family" in 1913, which must be what the article in the Bulletin of the Virginia State Library was quoting. Has anyone got the Jean Stephenson piece itself? On the subject of abbreviations, Jan, can you tell me what P.C.C. is? Something to do with wills.

David,
PCC means proved at county court - at least thats what I've always taken it to mean.
Jan

....there again - it may mean "probate at county court" but it's much the same thing. Jan
ps it only ever applied to the nobs

David, well, she was well enough remembered there at the DAR Library that they knew who I was talking about a couple of years ago. They might have a copy of her writings on the Womacks, but they definately don't have her files. I can dig into these piles and see if I have her daughter's name and address. I seem to recall it was up in Montgomery Co - and that I checked the genealogy/historical society up there and they didn't have the files. BTW, when you visit the DAR library, make SURE you don't go during DAR convention week, as they shut it down to outsiders then.

I'm looking for an American native girle who wishes to marry a muslim in Iran. I am 23 year old and student of English language at Tehran Uni.
I look forward to hearing from you soon.

P.S.
There is no matter how old are you or of what origin.

Thanks

Zia, After carefully reading your message, I cannot think of the a proper responce for you, my wife had one but I'm not putting hers in here. However, I'm sure Sam will think of something when he sees your message this evening. Stay tuned.

Roger,
Surely it's a wind up?

Zia,
Your intent is obvious, marry an American, get a visa to here -
first this is the wrong place for that; it is not a lonely hearts club; secondly, I hope no woman in her right mind would take you up on that or I would have to certify her as having some sort of mental deficiency -
thirdly - we got enough freeloaders and terrorists over here....I am no longer user friendly to fourth world countries nor immigrants - stay home - enjoy life - pray to Allah you are alive - follow his true teachings, not those some fool interprets for you, and you will be a better person for it...

I hope zia realizes he contacted the Womack Page, not the Escort Page. Now zia if there were any Womacks in your past we might be able to help you. Otherwise you need to contact dial a date there in Iran.

yes Zia,
remember the ayatolah Khomeini and his assinie attitude towards Americans and ask me ane majority of Americans if we want you or any other raghead people over here - you all are moles, under groung terrorists, untrue friends of America and we do not need you here - you expect to much for giving nothing to the country - so stay home - pray to allah that the dang secret police tont get you!!!!!!!!!!

I would like to locate the name of the plantation(s) and area/location where the Marable's originated from in Georgia and slave lists if possible. My Great Grandparents were named George and Sylvia Marable and I was told they were slaves on the Marable plantation around the time of the Civil War. If anyone could supply me with this information it would be very much appreciated.

Looking for information on Starling Womack b abt 1835 possibly Lincoln Co., NC.? I've gathered a little on his descendants.

Jan. Thanks for the PCC info. That means, as I feared, one has to go to the county to find anything. Ann, I hate to suggest it, but if you followed up on Jean S. maybe it would lead somewhere. Roger, I sent you a private email about this once before, but now I go public. How come all of a sudden we are deluged by other families, lonelyhearts, radio station fanatics and just plain loonies? Did something happen which is affecting this site? Seems to have accelerated after the non-millenium.

Well, the only news so far DAR/Dr. Jean-wise is that I now know what line of Womacks exactly she descended from - namely Jesse Womack who m. Dorothy Prior - John m. Francis Coleman - Aurelia m. Isaac Baker - Jack Baker m. Cordella Forrester - Mattie Baker m. Edwin Stephenson. And Dr. Jean had a sister Edna. Edna, Dr. Jean and their mother were all DAR members. So far - that's it. As for the radio postings - that's from people searching on WGN radio in Chicago and ending up on the post a message page without bothering to read the previous pages or even the note at the top about genealogy. The lonely hearts - ya got me!?

Ok, I did a little more poking around on a PREVIOUS question - the Quakerness of ones VA Womacks. I think I now know where the confusion is about the first Quaker meeting and stuff. In Vol. 6 of The Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy, on page 289 - Hinshaw talks about the South River Meeting aka the Bedford Monthly Meeting - in it he says "The first members of the monthly meeting were old stock Quakers for the large part, of English extraction from the tidewater section of Virginia, especially Cedar Creek and Henrico Monthly Meetings. Among the first names appearing in the books are:Hendrake, Johnson, Kirby, Neal, Chandler, Lynch, Terrell, Clark, Moorman, Echols, Payne, Collins, Farmer, Roberts, Womack, Caldwell and Ayrs."

Now, this was the mid 1700s. Unfortunately, records of the earlier meetings do not survive.

I don't think Hinshaw meant to imply these guys were members of the FIRST Quaker meeting in VA back in the mid-1600s, but that seems to be the interpretation put on this info by whoever it who wrote about the Womacks being Quakers. The earliest record of a Womack I could find in the Encyclopedia by name was in 1792, but the records of known earlier meetings are just not available. There were only 16 mentions in the Encyclopedia index all told - all in VA, none in NC, PA, Ohio, etc..
Clear as mud?

West Yorkshire very heavy on Quakerism. I live just 200 yds from our nearest Quaker Church (1600). My Womack in-laws went to Quaker school. Jan

Jan,
Out of curiosity, have you ever looked at any of the old church registers?

ANYONE WITH INFORMATION OR THE WEREABOUTS OF ONE JOHNNIE JAMES, WHO WAS BORN IN 1923, IN THE STATE OF LOUISIANA, FATHER'S NAME WAS JESSE HENRY JAMES, AND HE MOVED TO CALIFORNIA AROUND 1943 AND HAD A SON BY LOIS WILBORN. HE THEN MOVED TO ARIZONA IN 1953.PLEASE CONTACT ME WITH ANY INFORMATION YOU MIGHT HAVE.

ANYONE WITH INFORMATION OR THE WEREABOUTS OF ONE JOHNNIE JAMES, WHO WAS BORN IN 1923, IN THE STATE OF LOUISIANA, FATHER'S NAME WAS JESSE HENRY JAMES, AND HE MOVED TO CALIFORNIA AROUND 1943 AND HAD A SON BY LOIS WILBORN. HE THEN MOVED TO ARIZONA IN 1953.PLEASE CONTACT ME WITH ANY INFORMATION YOU MIGHT HAVE.

Boy are we getting good!
To echo David"s comments, "How come all of a sudden we are deluged by other families, lonelyhearts, radio station fanatics and just plain loonies? Did something happen which is affecting this site? Seems to have accelerated after the non-millenium."
Now we are not only in missing persons as far as the family name - but others to boot!!

Hi,
Looking for info on a Thomas Womack had a dughter born 1630 Henrico Co. Virgina, she married a William Baugh from London after he came to USA.
Thanks for any help.

Dianne, There was a Mary Farley born ca.1666 that married Thomas Baugh. Mary Farley born abt 1690, that married Thomas Womack was her niece. But I don't have a clue where a daughter born abt 1630 of Thomas Womack came from. If you could give us a little more information someone may be able to help. Some of those early dates on folks are a mess. Thats why some folks have Mary Farley as being married to Thomas Baugh and Thomas Womack. Their father's wills clear that up.

Sam, Which registers in particular? All my Womacks back to late 1500 I have got from the original Church registers in the Wakefield archive. I think recently they all got put on fiche so you don't get to touch history anymore. I got a real sense of history on one of the baptismal records I was reading from 1600's, the large yellowing parchment and leather book had had candle wax dripped on it prior to the signing of the Womack name in the register and the vicar had written up round the waxy burn mark. It really brought it alive, I could almost SMELL those old Womacks!. ..Sorry got a bit carried away there.. Incidentally the font in this particular church is inscribed to the Womacks circa 1600's (Heath, Kirkthorpe, Wakefield). I have photocopied all these records (they are really large). Jan

Jan
Registers, those you have already checked I guess is what I mean...
Thought they might give a clue as to who Arthurs father was and etc.
Any way, have you ever been to Womack Water(s)? Perhaps if you have and
could scan a photo and send to either Roger or meself, we could post and let
some of these yanks see some of the auld country..

Was just going over the postings for this month - guess would have to call it
movers and shakers vs immobility and no jello about 5-6 of us to not enough
to carry on in history -
My gosh we got England working with us, get yer dang Bibles outta the closet- dust off them old letters, look for old notebooks in the trunks--go in the basement, the garage, rummage, rummage, rummage--and post here for all so mebbe we get another clue also -
I realize many of you are just starting out - but there are those of us been around a number of years, me 28 for one on this quest--but each persons info is somewhat unique--might be I got a year of birth, you got a month and year, someone got all them date month and year - jest takes a little budge to get yer buns moving and sharing..
I want all to know that I apprecaiate what Roger does here; passing on his info to all - that is what it is all about - but Roger cannot carry this all himself-
it takes a concentrated, mutual effort from all of us--think about it..

A reminder to back up ye files. My main computer crashed and took some recent stuff with it. I'm clattering along on the laptop right now, until the new one arrives.

That's it for now.

GW

Does anyone know where Atoka Oklahoma is? My Phillip S. Womack was supposed to have lived there. Also, he may have lived in Seattle, Washington. He was supposed to be a railroad worker and perhaps these towns had a large railroad connection that would have enticed him to seek employment there.

Randall, Atoka is in Atoka Co., its Southeast of OKC guessing about 130 miles. Railroads zigzag all over the state, I use to walk them as a kid and looking for rocks and arrowheads, Railroads are everywhere. Many of the tracks are gone and those 50 ft wide properties went for sale to the public about twenty years ago. Was a good investment for those that were in on it. Seattle is North of me here, it's right on the main Railraod line running North and South along the I-5 corridor, goes from up in Canada down past California. Don't know if that was any help but sure reminded me of good times as a kid in Oklahoma.

Hello, all. I have had nothing to say recently because I can be absolutely no help. Heck, I can't even positively say that Green was my Jacob's father. I keep hacking away at this problem, but can find so few people even working on this line. I envy you that you have gotten so far back. Maybe one of these days I'll make my connection and will reap the benefits of all your labor!

Carolyn, that's not true, you have posted info before that has helped. I know you haven't proven your Jacob as the son of Green. But is sure won't hurt to post it once in a while, someone may show up who has something. Other Womack related info you have posted, has been helpful to me and I'm sure others as well. I think Sam want's to encourage folks to put up what they have, because something that seems trivial to me may be the clue someone is looking for. And it sure don't hurt to repeat once in a while, I'm sure not everyone reads all those old posts.

Carolyn, I know this doesn't prove your Jacob was the son of Green, but it does say that Green had a son named Jake or Jacob, and these folks believed he was your Jacob. This info was taken from Maxine Hulse Tinkhams book. I know you have a copy of this book but I wonder if anyone else might have something else to shed some light on this Jacob is yours.

(Anna Haas aunt, Violet Anderson, furnished the data on Jacob's first family, as was given to her by her father, Levi Preston Womack, son of Jacob. My sister, Mellie Hoff, in turn relayed the data to me.)

Jacob married second Melissa Jane Alltiser of Sullivan Co., Mo., 14 Apr 1865. Anna Haas states that Jacob was 44 and Melissa 16 when they were married. One of her aunts told her daughter that his second wife was very young.


Letter
"My mother, Martha Bruce, married my father, William Michael, and my Father's mother was a Womack. I don't know very much about my father's people, except they died when my father was a little boy, and his grandfather raised him up. And also my grandmother's name was "Tempy Womack" and like I said, she was my grandmother and married a Michael. I don't know what his name was but my great-grandfather's name was Green Womack. He had a boy named "Jake Womack" and he helped raise my father.....This one they called Jake could have been Jacob. Maybe Jake was a nickname. I am so sorry I don't know more about my grandmother, Tempy Womack. I don't even know what my grandfather Michael's name was. My dad never talked much about his side of the family, so you see how hard it has been to try to trace this all down".

(Ivah Wedeman lives in Anthony, Kans. and is about 84 years old. I have corresponded with her and she is the most delightful person.) She was born 2 miles out of Unionville, Mo. in 1897. She goes on to say in another letter:

Mrs. Haas: "Just before I sent your letter out, I found an old letter from one of my brothers, written in 1953. He said there were three brothers named -- Alex, Jake and Bill Womack and Green Womack was their father. They would of been my grandma, Tempy's brothers, and Green Womack her father. She died when dad was a little boy and Green Womack raised my father up......and I also found in the letter, an old census taken in 1880 from the court house there in Unionville, and it shows that my father, William Michael, was born in Illinois. when she gave birth to my father."

(Mrs. Anna Hass is a descendant of Jacob Womack, related to Ober Bruce whose home was near the Womacks in Putnam Co., Mo., Jackson Twp.)
Source: "Womack Genealogy" by Maxine Hulse Tinkham.

Anyone know how to get a copy of an application and its approval for the DAR?
Do you have to be a member of that quasi-patriotic organization; or can just any peon with a few bucks get a copy???

I need the one on Jacob Womack of RW war note. Seems someone had, or thought they had, his wife's last name - I think they used the name of my 4th great grandmother whose husband, also a Jacob was the RW ones second cousin (I prefer to use the old ways - dont know who screwed the traditional way up but, my first cousins kids are my seconds - makes as much sense as my Uncles kids being my uncle one time removed and their kids my uncle twice removed dont it?).

In other words, I wanna see paper on this one - if it is true then someone has been holding out documentation---if it aint true (and I am 99.44% sure it aint) then we got a case of mistaken identity and wrongful entry and acceptance into the DAR..I intend to set the record straight, once and for all - My granny dont need no bad name!!
Ah, the thrill of the chase!!!

Sam, which Jacob? The simple answer to your question is - you get the latest DAR Patriot Index. You write down EXACTLY what it says there usually something like Womack, firstname b.X d.Y m. Z m1 person1 m2 person2 PS, Pvt GA -
then you write a letter to the DAR in DC - including a check for whatever the current amount is (it used to be $5 - call up the DAR in DC and ask for the current amount and the address) the check is made to the Treasurer General - DAR and then you wait for them to send it back. Now, the problem is, say for Jesse Womack who m. Dorothy Prior, there are a good 20 people who joined on that line, so you get a random choice of which file they send you. OTOH, you can request a particular file if you know the DAR #, or you can request descendancy from a particular line of the patriot if available. This is actually how I found cousin Anne Berry, who put me in touch with cousin Carlos 15 or so years ago.

Now, as to the question of WHICH Jacob - this comes up because I was taking advantage of the Ancestry 14 day free trial (my 14 days are up) and downloaded the DAR lineage books for Womack. Which is how I know that the majority of these guys joined via Jesse Womack. It's like 20 pages, so I'll quickly page through and see if I have any Jacobs for you. Nope. Which only means that the line wasn't submitted to a lineage book - most of which were written 50 years ago anyway. But it means I can't give you a DAR # to ask for. Sorry about that.

Susan Womack b. Jun 8, 1828
married John Matthew Dolan
had at least two children
James Monroe Dolan
John Matthew Dolan b. December 16, 1857

I believe Susan remarried in 1872
I believe Susan is the daughter of Abraham Minter Womack and
Elizabeth Combs Robinson

Can anyone help confirm or deny this information. All I have is
family folk lore at this point.
Thank you very much

Oop, I forgot. It's not unknown to have the older files at the DAR contain errors of umm...important proportions. Many branches of my family had joined on the strength of one William Daniel. Including my late cousin Connie. What happened is that 100 years ago, someone joined and all their kin and descendants joined by proving their relationship to that original member. Well, Connie in researching the Daniels discovered that the original joiner had accidentally taken the record of one William Daniel and simply ASSUMED that since our guy was near by it was him. NOPE! It was, in fact, provably NOT him although our guy, on the testimony of his son who tried to get payment for it, did provided services during the war. But those documents weren't the ones cited in the files.

So, needless to say the DAR does have a method of dealing with this, and Connie had the records amended to make sure no one could join on the strength of the original and current applications. However, the originals are probably still floating around and being cited by people who don't know they've been amended.

Gee, this is what I get for posting so much!
I have as the Susan who was the daughter of
Abraham Minter Womack -
Susan Elizabeth Womack b. 8 Jun 1828 in GA d. 26 Aug 1905 m. 4 Sept 1844 to John Newton Scott - lived in Montgomery Co., TX had three kids. No idea if she remarried or what - looks to me like most of the info on this family was written up by a cousin of hers. But, if she died in 1905 there is a fair chance you could get an obituary or something about where she is buried - I don't know if TX had death certificates back that far off hand. Ann

Anne
thankee - and I can assure you someone gonna a bad day when I do show that the wrong wife is theah - and I can prove it..I am gonna make them peeps uncertify evah one that did go in that way or be exposed as a dont care send the money and join organization...I have said it before, and will say it again - the original founders could in no way meet today's requirements...and they were closer to the truth than we will ever be...

The information I have on Susan E. Womack (daughter of Abraham Minter Womack) was born June 08, 1828 in Georgia, and died August 26, 1905. She married John Newton Scott September 04, 1844. He was born August 15, 1825 in Hickman Co., Tennessee, and died in Montgomery, Texas.

Children of Susan Womack and John Scott are:
i. Abraham Scott.
ii. Garrett Scott.
iii. Will Elliott Scott.
iv. Henry Scott.
v. James Scott.
vi. Mary Scott. She married Shannon.
vii. Mettie Scott. He married Effie Rhodes.
viii. Nettie Scott. She married Ollie Rhodes.
ix. Susan Scott. She married Oscar Wynn.
x. Dink Scott. She married Ike Kelly.
xi. Emmett Scott.


If Susan Womack b. Jun 8, 1828 married John Matthew Dolan and had at least two children James Monroe Dolan and John Matthew Dolan b. December 16, 1857. She was either one busy lady or the above information is not correct. Itís possible, but she would of had 11 children in 11 years, before marrying John Dolan.

Well, I should clarify that I'm not currently a DAR member, although my Dad keeps bugging me to join on the grounds it would be a hoot - although it would even be more of a hoot to get my grandma (who is 98) to join. I actually know most of the local DAR members, as they all seem to be members of my quilt guild for some reason. Anyway, as I recall cousin Connie telling me - what they do now is simply make prospective members prove their line to current standards of proof and not rely on the old applications. But, as I said, cousin Connie has passed away, so I'd have to track down someone at guild meeting on Monday to ask, and since we have a quilt show coming up, I don't think I'll get a chance what with the planning sessions and stuff. LOL! BTW, in my family it's easier for Mansel Womack's kids from the second marriage to join on the Lewis family - and probably for the first marriage ones to join on the Rogers family - at this point those links are pretty clear cut.

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