January 2000 Message Archive

Saturday, January 01, 2000 at 16:51:46 (PST)
R.E. Haden

Looking for Richard Wommack, wife of Elizabeth Gilmore, father of Elizabeth Catherine Wommack who married Milton Tilden Motley. Richard may be the son of Richard Wommack and Catherine Streetman, but I'm not sure of this and have no further info. after that. Family says he was known as "Captain Richard," but that may mean nothing. Elizabeth Catherine was born Spet 21, 1847, in MO, married at 17 and died in 1925. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated!

Monday, January 03, 2000 at 12:40:08 (PST)
Mary Hammer Park

Does anyone have information or clues as to the religious denomintion or church of choice for early Womacks in Rutherford Co NC, specifically Thomas A. and Louvisa Womack? Or had any experience retrieving church records in that area?
Thanks and Happy New Year

Monday, January 03, 2000 at 20:56:02 (PST)
Doris M. Womack Cox

I am researching the Halifax Co., Virginia Womacks. Today I visited the South Boston, Virginia Library Branch to see if anyone had documented the Cemeteries in Halifax County. There are two volumes copyright 1986 by George Calvin Waldrep III, age 16 at publication and according to the libriarian he has since moved away. According to the article in The Gazette-Virginian dated 1 March 1985, young Waldrep was hoping to do a third volume thinking that should cover all Cemeteries in Halifax Co. I don't know if a third volume was printed. I copied all Womacks in the two volumes if anyone needs a look-up from what I have, I will be happy to check. I need to revisit the library so if anyone needs a connecting family to the Womacks, I will also make an effort to look up those families as well. I am hoping to locate Mr. Waldrep to see if his publication can be purchased. Mark, thanks for this site. doris

Monday, January 03, 2000 at 21:54:57 (PST)

Joyce, in answer to you're question,Morgan Womack,my 1st Great,was born in April,1845,he m.1st.Julia Roy in 1865,had three children:Silas Logan,1866,Malissa,1867,John,1875.He m. 2nd Martha Jane Foley in 1885.They had four children:Flora,1886,Eller,1890,Monte,1894,Loren,1897. Monte was my Grandfather.
Morgan was a privatein the Co. K Volunteer "13" Cavalry,Civil War.I have his pension papers.
Monte~daughter,Ruby Pearl,then me.
Be happy to share anything else.
By the way,to all at this site: I've been wandering around in the archives,staying up til all hours,loving it.I thought I had my Womacks all sewed up in a neat package with a ribbon tied around it,up to William I. (Big laugh) Now I'm going through all my records again,re-reading everything. I'm stuck like glue to you now.
You're 'confused' cousin, Nadine

Wednesday, January 05, 2000 at 15:35:38 (PST)
Judy Womack

Still looking for help with Jacob and Keziah Womack of Copiah Co.,Miss. Why did their son Samuel change his name to Jefferson Davis Womack in 1859? Is there some kind of link with the Womack family and the family of Jefferson Davis? And what is Keziah's maiden name? I think it was Beasley but will need plenty of muscle to prove it.There's also a marriage link with them to the Norman family.

Wednesday, January 05, 2000 at 19:19:28 (PST)
Joyce Wommack

According to SOME DESCENDANTS OF WILLIAM WOMACK, THE IMMIGRANT, by Martha McDaniel Thompson, Ref: Genealogy of Family of Virginia Bingham, "appears in 1850 census as Samuel. Tradition says he changed his name--ran away with Confederate Army at age 13". Spouse of Jacob is given as Kizziah T. BEARD.

Wednesday, January 05, 2000 at 22:49:01 (PST)
Mark Womack

Annette Womack posted this information to me recently. Does anyone have access to the Henrico County Tithables list for 1679? It appears that it names an Abram Womack and calls him out as "son of William".

page 44
In the lists of tithables (tax lists) of Henrico County, 1679 are the
following familiar names: Nicholas Perkins, James Royall, Mr. Kennon, Thomas
East, Abram Womack (son of William), James Akin, William Harris, Mr. George
Worsham, Charles Clay, Godfrey Ragsdale, Henry Pruit, Mr. Richard Ward, and
John Millner.

Thursday, January 06, 2000 at 04:27:19 (PST)

Mark in response to your question on the Henrico tithables for 1679 here is the way the name appears on the list I found:

Richd Lygon 1
Petr Harris 1 Abrah Womecke 2
Thomas East 1
Edwd Bowman 3

Thursday, January 06, 2000 at 13:15:12 (PST)
Judy Womack

Thanks, Joyce, but if Keziah Beard married Jacob Womack, why is there another Keziah Beard who is usually listed as wife of Jacob's brother Abraham? Did an earlier researcher just jump at the name Keziah and put that with both brothers?
I still think she might have been a Beasley. I know the story that Samuel changed his name, but our family says he did it in 1859 before the war would have really heated up. It doesn't seem too logical that he would be that patriotic as a 12 year-old and that the family would go along with a name change.Does anyone have a theory?

Thursday, January 06, 2000 at 13:53:06 (PST)
Karen Womack

Thanks so much to Roger Womack who sent me information about my Arkansas Womacks. Well, my husband's Womacks! Anyway, thanks also to Charlotte Skinner who compiled the information that got me back another generation and helped fill in many gaps. At least now I know my husband's great-great grandparents to be Josiah and NJ Womack. Their son Levi was the great, with William Hamilton being his grandfather. TERRIFFIC!! I will need any help that you can give on any of the siblings of Levi P. Womack, born Nov 1861 or his parent. So glad I surfed into this site! If it is possible to download a picture I have a family group picture of Levi and Eudora and many of their children and spouses from around 1915.

Thursday, January 06, 2000 at 16:30:30 (PST)
Mark Womack

I'm in the process of giving some Womack info to the Akins researchers in regards to John Womack m Sarah Akins. I need the reference to the Henrico Co record where Richard Womack gave John Womack some of his land. I need the text and the reference to the county record where it can be found. I also need the reference for John's will in Prince George county. I'm trying to be as complete and precise as possible. If anyone has those references, you can email me or post them here at the message page.


Thursday, January 06, 2000 at 16:34:28 (PST)
Mark Womack

Judy, re: Jefferson Davis

Jefferson Davis was a pretty famous guy before becoming the president of the confederate states. You might want to check out his biography and see what was happening in 1859 that might have prompted the name change. There is a Jefferson Davis Womack in Halifax Co, VA as well, but I think he was named that way; he did not change his name.


Thursday, January 06, 2000 at 16:35:48 (PST)
Mark Womack

Sam re: Henrico tithables,

Where did you access this tithables list? Did you look at the actual copy/microfilm?


Friday, January 07, 2000 at 03:57:26 (PST)
Carolyn Powell

Found this while researching Neely family. John Womack, 1782, Casell Co., NC.

The State of North Carolina, Casell County, On the 29th of December in the year of Our Lord, 1782 William Neely
who deceased on the 31st of said month and year above written made the following Verble Will in the presence of the
under subscribers (to will) first he gave and bequeathed unto Eleanor Neely one third part of his goods and chattels also
gave and bequeathed to his son Samuel Neely, one hundred acres of deeded land whereon he then lived also one
handred acres of land lying on the East side of the forementioned land that is now in dispute and under - - - with Thomas
Persons; for which the said Samuel Neely is to maintain the said Eleanor Neely his widow and he appoint his son,
Samuel Neely, his executor of this will together with Eleanor Neely to settle his affairs, also he gave to Jacob Neely, his
son, the Entry of land lying on the south side of the plantation whereon he then lived, lying and being on both sides of Flat
River, and the raminder of his goods and chattels to be equally divided between John Neely, Thomas Neely, Samuel
Neely, Joseph Neely, Jacob Neely, and Mary Pryor and the overplus of the undeeded land to be sold and equally
divided amongst the aforementioned children.

The above will was proved before me, one of the Justices of said County this 31st day of December, 1782.

his mark
his mark
JAMES (x) ______ (Jurat) JOHN WOMACK

The above Will was duly proved in open court by the oaths of Wm. White, John Satterfield, James ______, and
ordered to be recorded.
The Execr. qualified ACD MURPHY

Friday, January 07, 2000 at 04:10:42 (PST)

Went to GenWeb Archive search where someone has "translated" the film I guess. Many of the tithe lists are on line thru there..

Friday, January 07, 2000 at 04:34:21 (PST)

Here is the URL for the GenWeb search


Friday, January 07, 2000 at 10:20:22 (PST)

Now have info showing Jesse Womack to be father of John B. Womack. Jesse was an early hunter and trapper in N.W. Ark with his brother "Big William" who was killed by Indians. Jesse m. Elizabeth, dau. of Joshua Wharton said by Goodspeed to be first white settler in Carroll Co., Ark. Children: Lizzie Womack Boen, Kiturah Womack Garcia, Frances Womack Chaffin, Pleasant Russ Womack, Ann Womack Callahan, ? Womack Woodard, Lucinda Womack Dunlap, Catharine Womack who dissappeared at death of her mother at Fort Little Rock about 1862 (age 14), John B. Womack (see other queries) and Jesse Womack, Jr. who died along with his mother of smallpox. Can this line be taken back further based on this info?HHPerry

Friday, January 07, 2000 at 16:46:28 (PST)
Rosa (Pool) Ford

My GGgrandmother Sarah "Sally" Womack born abt 1805 in Burke Co. N.C.,
married Joseph (Alan or Morgan) Grider also born in Burke Co. N. C.
They married Nov. 1, 1823. He was the son or John Grider and Isabella
Blair. They moved to Adair Co. Kentucky. Their daughter my Ggrandmother
was Elizabeth "Betsy" Grider who married Hugh Mendenaul Ross. Any help
will be greatly appreciated. Rosa

Friday, January 07, 2000 at 20:16:42 (PST)
Roger Womack

Rosa, I have Joseph Morgan Grider, as his full name but no documentation. Sally was the daughter of William Womack and Rachael Gilpin. Son of Jesse Womack b. abt 1744, sp Sarah Daniel.

Friday, January 07, 2000 at 20:48:07 (PST)
Deborah Le Grand

Nadine, Your Morgan Womack is the younger brother to my GreatX2 grandfather, Harrison Womack. He was born 11 Dec 1829 in Adair Co, KY. One of 7 children. Harrison married Arma (Annie) Bryant, 4 Nov 1852. They had 7 children. He died on 8 Dec 1912. and is buried in Independence, MO. I'd love to share with you.

Friday, January 07, 2000 at 22:27:58 (PST)

Deborah, I would be glad to share any info I have. I have copies of Harrison's children's marriage bonds. Daniel, Nancy, and John. In the civil war, Morgan was in the 13th KY cavalry. My info says Harrison was in the 13th KY Infantry. Be happy to share anything else.
I don't have anything from Harrison on down.
Your Cousin, Nadine

Saturday, January 08, 2000 at 13:45:58 (PST)

Thanks to Roger at Mlwomack@aol.com my Womack line appears to have been carried back a couple of generations. There is more work to be done but a light now shines in what was darkness. H.H.Perry

Sunday, January 09, 2000 at 12:19:36 (PST)
Rosa (Pool) Ford

Thanks Roger for you help for all your help. You are certainly a true

Sunday, January 09, 2000 at 22:33:10 (PST)
Tim Womack

Hello Womacks
I am a decendant of Abraham Womack and Elizabeth Stubblefield through their son William Womack and Lucy Womack (daughter of Thomas Womack and Louvisa Rice). Does anyone have the lineage for Abraham Womack or Thomas Womack back to William the immigrant? Also note my new e-mail address. The one on this site is old. By the way, I am a great-great grandson of John Tipton Womack whos letter is posted on this site. Thanks.
Tim Womack

Tuesday, January 11, 2000 at 14:24:29 (PST)
David Dunn

This is a question for Roger, Ann McDonald or anyone who can help; I know both Roger and Ann have mentioned these records before. I've seen the actual Prince Edward County VA Court Order Book record for the suit of Margaret Archdeacon Womack against Richard and Jacob Womack. But it does not have the depositions from James and Elce Archdeacon and others about Margaret being an Archdeacon, her husband Richard being a son of Richard III, Richard III deeding land to his son in a land swap, etc. Could you or anyone post the exact texts, or sources for them, or email them to me? I would really appreciate it. About the land swap, who gave what to whom, where? Thanks, David.

Tuesday, January 11, 2000 at 14:49:31 (PST)
Nathan Womack

THOMAS WAMAC. This name is mentioned in The Independence County
Chronicle (Arkansas), Vol. XLI, Oct. 1999-Jan. 2000, Numbers 1 & 2,
page 25 within an article concerning some very bad times in this
part of Arkansas. May be of interest to someone.

Tuesday, January 11, 2000 at 21:11:22 (PST)
David Dunn

I may have found an origin for the "1665 Patent" business. In "Chesterfield - An Old Virginia County" by Francis Earle Lutz, 1954, there is a section about the Bermuda Hundred and Bristol Parish. (Chesterfield was created from Henrico in 1749.) It cites Patents by other settlers in 1635, 1642, and 1650. Then it says (p. 48): "Other settlers around this period included Francis Redford, in 1659, and John Puckett, John Burton and Abraham and William Womack, in 1665." No source or footnote.

Tuesday, January 11, 2000 at 22:15:57 (PST)
D. Eanes

Hello family, I'm requesting your help in finding info on my African
American Great-Grand people. Kenner Womack and Johnson Womack who lived
Prince Edward Co. VA, Does anyone have any info on Dunnington Farm
(plantation)and Doyne funeral Home? And I would appreciate your suggestions on how I could get info that could point me in the right direction. Thanks for your help.

Thursday, January 13, 2000 at 20:11:08 (PST)
Randall W. Connell

Need grave location of HattieLee Connell Womack. I believe she is buried in unmarked grave in Morgan Texas. This is in Bosque County.

Thursday, January 13, 2000 at 20:16:29 (PST)
Randall W. Connell

Does anyone know if the Phillip S. Womack buried in Alvin, Texas may have worked for the railroad in Washington State in the 1920's-1940's. He later lived in Atoka, Oklahoma.

Thursday, January 13, 2000 at 20:26:12 (PST)
Harriet Helen Womack, II

I am interested in finding the black connection of Womacks. I know that my grandfather Abram (Abraham) Womack was born in Durham, North Carolina and migrated to Florida in the early 1900's. Upon reading some of the Womack linage pages there were mentions of slaves and I was wondering if in fact my family descended from your family or did your family own my family. Abram (as listed on my father's birth certificate) Womack was born around 1965-70 date unsure and died in Florida in 1934. He was married twice, my father being the second child born to the union of Abe and Mary Venevra Carey Womack. Anything that you have would be very helpful in this search.
There are several Womacks in the broward county area here in Florida several with the nsame name as my father William. My father is William Edmund Gladstone Womack and as seen in the linage the name seems to be carried on to generation after generation. I have two brothers, William Jr., and Randolph. There is also a William Randolph (nephew) and a Randolph Jr, also a Harriet III.
Womacks seem to love to pass their names down in the family.

Harriet "Helen" Womack, II

Thursday, January 13, 2000 at 23:23:03 (PST)
Bryan Womack

Does anyone have any information about Jacob Womack, Sr. Birth 1770 Lunenburg
Co., VA Death 30 JUL 1847 McMinn Co., TN? I found that info about him on ancestry.com. Thanks.

Friday, January 14, 2000 at 10:05:11 (PST)
Sam Womack

Yes, Bryan I do.
Jacob Womack Sr is my 4th great grandfather.
Do you have a connection?

Friday, January 14, 2000 at 12:21:51 (PST)

Randall on your question on the railroad connection-
first-do you know if he worked for the RR at all??
Second, do you have his death certificate and does it have the SSN on it??
If he worked for the RR in the late 30's and early 40's, he would have obtained
a RR number (same as SSN) beginning with a "7".
This would indicate RR employment; but..not the particular RR--

Friday, January 14, 2000 at 19:32:18 (PST)
Deborah Le Grand

Nadine, did you get my info? Debbie

Saturday, January 15, 2000 at 09:06:29 (PST)
David Dunn

I have just finished a week-long intensive review of all I have on the early Womacks in Virginia, with three emphases: earliest Abrahams; earliest Richards; and the Quaker question. I thought I'd post some of my findings for general interest and to seek comments, clarifications, corrections, etc. I'll start with Richard Womacks in the period after the death of Richard II in 1723. The record seems to be consistent with there being one man, the one usually known as Richard III. He held land in Henrico County, some possibly inherited from his father Richard II. There are other records of him in Henrico in 1735 and 1736. He sold land in Henrico in 1737, 1740 and 1742, apparently to move to Amelia County about 1738/9, in the part which later became Prince Edward. He first appears in court in Amelia in 1738. He bought or patented land there in 1739 (twice), 1741 and 1742. In the early and mid 1740's he appears in court dealings, pays taxes, does road maintenance, etc. Clearly he didn't just own land there - he lived there. About 1747 he moved to newly created Lunenburg County. He sold all but one of his Amelia/Prince Edward holdings by 1747 and acquired land in Lunenberg in 1747 and 1748. There he lived on land that became Charlotte County in 1765, only a mile or two from the Prince Edward border and a mile or two from the place where James Archdeacon/Cody II lived. In the 1750's he paid taxes in Lunenburg and was called "of Lunenburg" as he acquired extensive land holdings in Halifax and Bedford Counties. About 1759 he apparently moved to Orange County NC (in the part which later became Caswell and Person Counties). He sold the last of his Prince Edward, and his Halifax, properties in 1757-1759. He first appears in Orange NC in 1761, with two of his sons, Jacob and Abraham. I don't know what, if anything happened to the Bedford property, or the Lunenburg property, although the latter may have been given to some of his other relatives. Anyway, I can't find any evidence for another Richard, or this one, which does not fit this scenario. As I said, opinions are solicited and welcomed!

Saturday, January 15, 2000 at 09:42:33 (PST)

Gals and Guys,
Me thinks we need to start back and regroup on who was here first. At least we
need to take a look at other Womack lines that have been here at least as long
as the one we constantly are tearing down and repairing..
We dont have the name of every ship that hit these shores; and for even those that did, not all people were listed.
for instance I know many of us have seen this, looked at it, perhaps brushed it off..I dont think we can do that any longer..

Birth: 1625 Middx Co., Massachusetts
Spouse: Phoebe RONDALL
Marriage: 14 Apr 1649 Middx Co, Massachusetts

Birth: 1628 Middx Co., Massachusetts
Spouse: Henry WOMACK

CHILDREN (all listed:
George WOMACK b: 9 APR 1653 in Accomack Co., VA
Samuel WOMACK b: 12 AUG 1654
Eliza Jane WOMACK b: 19 DEC 1656
Thomas WOMACK b: ABT. 1658
Elizabeth WOMACK b: 8 MAY 1660
Jonathan WOMACK b: 21 OCT 1663
Henry WOMACK b: 15 JUL 1666

If there is any shred of truth to Henry's year of birth, his parents would have
had to have been here close to the same time that William hit the beach.
Food for thought.

Saturday, January 15, 2000 at 10:13:05 (PST)
Roger Womack

In the past and more recently, we have had some African/American Womacks seeking their ancestors, I know this is going to be more difficult than finding our Euro/Caucasian ones. So, I'm started a database on African/Americans with the surname Womack. If any of you have information on African/American Womacks or sites and/or information I sure would appreciate your help. If someone else is doing this I'll be more than happy to assist you with what I have gathered also.

Saturday, January 15, 2000 at 19:45:50 (PST)
Nadine Cowen

Deborah, yes, I recieved your info. Have been out of town for a few days. Will have info on my line soon. Thanks

Sunday, January 16, 2000 at 07:39:44 (PST)

Was looking thru the AOL message boards and came across these - fer yer info of course!!

Hi! My name is Marjorie Hamel & I am trying to find info on a Mary Ann Womack who was married to my gggrandfather, Silas Addison of Habersham Co, GA, 2/8/1849. My e-mail address is: MargieH337@aol.com/
Any info would be greatly appreciate

From: Sheree RT@aol.com
My 3rd great grandmother was Sarah Elizabeth Womack Smith. She married Martin A. Smith of North Carolina. They had several children in cluding my great great grandmother Mary Smith. Mary was bornin Rome , Georgia.
There are quite a few Womacks in Floyd County and in North Carolina.

From: JTrap88667@aol.com
My mothers maiden name was Womack born to Coy Womack and Maggie Jackson. He had brothers, only knew 1 Levi, who had 3 sons, Earton,Burton and can't remember other one. Lived around Huntsville, Eureka Springs(AR) area.

From: JulesHMichael@aol.com
My name is Michael William Womack, I have no idea where we all came from or how we ended up out west. Maybe someone knows. The following are first, middle name, all are Womacks:(me) son of Michael William, son of Ernest R., son of Michael Green son of Levi, son of ??. I also have never met my birth mother.
I was born in Albuquerque NM to LaDonna Hansen (Maiden name) Womack.

From: POISONISBK@aol.com

Sunday, January 16, 2000 at 08:19:50 (PST)
David Dunn

Sam is right as usual. I went to find my copy of that reference and couldn't - Sam can you please give the source - but know I have seen it before and wondered. Memory tells me that I have seen somewhere a suggestion that this family ended up in Accomack. It's a lot of males not to have left some progeny. It would be a neat trick to be born in Middlesex MA in 1625 but as we know without an exact record some allowance must be made for dates and places. In any case as Sam says we need to scope it out, both in MA and VA records.

Sunday, January 16, 2000 at 11:53:19 (PST)
David Dunn

Here is my second posting about my recent review and research. About the Quaker business. There are several references in the background papers to something like "the first Quaker colony in Virginia started in 1656". I have never seen a source giving evidence of the existence of any such thing. Anyone who has one, please post it. Then there is the reference in Hinshaw, volume VI, about the establishment of the South River Monthly Meeting in the 1750's in the Halifax/Pittsylvania area: "The first members of the monthly meeting were old stock Quakers for the large part, of English extraction from the tidewater section of Virginia, especially Cedar Creek and Henrico Monthly Meetings. Among the first names appearing in the books (of South River) are: . . . Womack . . .". Note "for the large part". This is certainly not a definitive statement that the earliest Henrico Womacks were Quakers. This passage is somewhat inaccurately paraphrased in Carlos Womack's book. The only Womack name appearing in the first pages of the South River records is that of an Isham in 1758 and 1763. According to Hinshaw, Henrico Monthly Meeting was established in 1708, although I just reviewed on film from LDS the original records which begin in 1699. Too late for any of the earliest Womacks. And in the records I reviewed, up to 1721, no Womack names appear. Nor do any Pucketts, Childers, or any other names closely allied with the Womacks, although there are some distant connections - Woodson, Mosby and Pleasant. Hinshaw says Cedar Creek Monthly Meeting was established in 1739 and the Henrico records say a weekly meeting was set up there in 1721 - both too late for the earliest Womacks. In other words, I can find no evidence that the seventeenth century Womacks were Quakers - nor any evidence for any Womack Quaker until 1758, and note that many people converted to the Quaker faith in what was known as the "Great Awakening" in the 1730's. Two caveats - there may be, probably are, lots of VA Quaker records not easily accessible; Hinshaw did not abstract all of them, viz Henrico. A trip to Swarthmore might prove fruitful. And, there is a book about the Pucketts titled "A Family of the Quaker Persuasion" by Elizabeth Brown Morse whch I can't get my hands on which might help. Has anybody got it/seen it? Does anybody have any evidence that these guys were Quakers? Any other contributions welcomed.

Sunday, January 16, 2000 at 12:23:19 (PST)

Looking for Nancy WOMACK who married Abraham FORD in Warren or Putnam County, TN. I think she is the daughter of Thomas WOMACK and Elizabeth BLANTON. Will gladly share info. Thanks.


Sunday, January 16, 2000 at 22:07:55 (PST)

I am looking for any info on a Sarah WOMACK that was married to Fountain DICKERSON and lived in southern IL. mid 1850s

Monday, January 17, 2000 at 09:53:19 (PST)
Ann McDonald

As a rule, when in doubt on the subject of colonial religion, consult "Religion in America" by Winthrop Hudson. Always useful for such things as telling the difference between a Schwenkfelder and a Swedenborgian. Anyway, consulting page 25 "The first major break in the pattern of religious uniformity in Virginia came after 1660 when Quaker missionaries were successful in establishing scattered communities of adherents....."

So, even if the earliest records date from a later date, they were indeed hanging around fairly early on. The very first Quaker missionaries in the US were in Boston in 1656, they show up in Virginia in 1657, and
were established as meetings in VA in the 1660s.

On that note, I can almost swear to the fact that if Abraham Womack WAS a Quaker he was a really really poor one. He was racing horses, swearing in public, running an unlicensed tavern. Not a model example. So, you can probably say it's not likely that HE was Quakerish. Now, someplace, in the legal records, at least one of our dudes was fined for "not filling their pew." In other words, not going to the Anglican church. Off hand I can't
remember which of the various Womacks it was - with my computer files still
being out of whack, I'll have to go to the paper files to find that one. There are two basic reasons for not filling your pew. A) you belong to a minority denomination like the Quakers or Baptists b) you just don't feel like it.

LOL! Anyway, as a further note - if your person was slaveholding post about 1750 he is almost certainly not a Quaker. I'd have to look up the dates, but due to the influence and preaching of John Woolman, the Quakers very early on became anti-slavery advocates. In fact, I have a group of families in
Arkansas who descended from NC Quakers, and although they themselves
were Baptists, the whole bunch of them were so notoriously anti-slavery that
many of them were hunted down and killed during the Civil War.

Monday, January 17, 2000 at 11:37:41 (PST)
Sam Womack

I beleive some of those NC Baptists you were referring to were Brewers, Copelands, etc...and also Barnes - Many of those not hunted down and killed
were taken as concscripts for the CSA - fight or die more or less was the edict.
You can see some of them and a story on them thru my web page - access "Chain Gang." the JJ Barnes mentioned in the article was my GG-GF, Alexander Copeland poss my GGG-GF, and all the Brewers were either great uncles or cousins of some sort...JJ eventutally got furlough, went home and joined the Union Army..

Monday, January 17, 2000 at 12:48:59 (PST)
Ann McDonald

Actually, I was thinking of the Nutts, Steelmans, and Speers. My ancestor Robert Nutt was conscripted and "fell ill by the side of the road" waited until the army passed, felt a LOT better, and went home and hid out whenever another conscription unit came by. His brother Ben was hung from a tree, and a couple of cousins were shot in the back while trying to make it to Missouri. Poor Ben was trying to hide out in the woods and was trapped when he went to check on his dying son.

On the Womack front, BTW, my Womacks of this era all served in the
Confederate Army, some with more energy than others. Kinchen Womack
died before the war, but he was a slave owner.

Monday, January 17, 2000 at 13:08:07 (PST)
David Dunn

Thanks to Ann for her information on the early Quaker establishments in Virginia, and she is surely right about Abraham not being a good one if he was one; I had alluded to that here back in February 1999. John too! Actually if they started out as Quakers they would have been disowned for the stuff they got up to. The slave thing is also correct. We know some eighteenth century Womacks owned slaves - Richard III e.g. There were others; off the top of my head and without looking through my records I remember at least one early Womack got headrights for importing slaves, and some also paid tithes for slaves they owned. Actually Abraham was the third subject of my recent intensive review. I wanted to look at everything I had on seventeenth century Henrico Abrahams. Leaving out land deals, this is what it comes to. Three depositions about age giving birth years of 1642, 1644, or 1646. Three lawsuits over deceased brothers' affairs - 1674, 1677, 1692, 1697. Publicly drunk three times - 1678 (twice) and 1685. Horse racing in which some malfeasance by someone was alleged which got it into the courts, three times - 1678, 1679, 1683. Accused of keeping an illegal drinking house - 1692. Accused of being a bad ferry keeper - 1684. Swearing in public, three times - 1686, 1692, 1701. If you ask me, that sounds like a pretty consistent performance by one guy over a period of 27 years during his "active years" when he was c. 30-57 years old.

Monday, January 17, 2000 at 17:52:45 (PST)
Roger Womack

Do any of you know who these Womacks are, or if they are related? The birth dates are just a guess, the marriage records are from Butler Co., Alabama.

James2 Womack, born Abt. 1848. He married Amelia Gregory December 29, 1869 in Butler Co., Alabama; born Abt. 1850.

Isaac Womack, born Abt. 1850. He married Martha Gregory January 05, 1871 in Butler Co., Alabama; born Abt. 1851.

Harvey Womack, born Abt. 1857. He married Louisa Gregory December 18, 1877 in Butler Co., Alabama; born Abt. 1860.

Monday, January 17, 2000 at 22:14:56 (PST)

Hope these might help someone. All these cemeterys are in Webster Co. KY.
Lisman Cumberland Presb. Church Cem.: All are Womack's
Edd W Womack 1883-1964
Mollie A.orO.1858-1939
Myrtle F. 1887-1947
Dora O. 1882-1958
Shady Grove Cem.
Foster Gorden Womack Sr. 1896-1981
Mae Daniel 1903-1950
Cicero 1860-1948
Sallie 1859-1947
Odd Fellows Cem.
James Carl Womack 1939-1940
Womack and Farmer Cem.
Burney WomackFeb.1894-June-1894
O. C. 22 July 1862-6 Feb.1900
O.C. 12 Nov. 1812-24 Apr-1887
E. 6 Sept. 1844-Dec. 1844
Jim Price Cem.
Emmett Tapp Womack 1898-8 Aug. 1930
Oak Grove Cem.
Ulysses S. Womack 1869-1953
Christina 1868-1918
Squire 21 Oct. 1839-27 Aug.1930
David 31 July 1835-17 June 1900
Lena 23 June 1875-18 Sept. 1876
David J. born and died 1871
Malissa S. 14 May 1862- 22Sept. 1867

Tuesday, January 18, 2000 at 05:41:14 (PST)
Thomas J. Newqcomb

Can't we get a raise for poor Paul Konrad so the kid can buy another suit to wear while on camera? Is there a fund we viewers could contribute to that might couldhelp him? Does he need the address of the Salvation Army or Goodwill? Let me know where to send the check. ( That would be a small check, of course.) The NEWC and wife.

Tuesday, January 18, 2000 at 10:54:02 (PST)
David Dunn

Does anyone have a copy of or access to the work "Womack Genealogy" by Dempsey Kemp, or any other work with information about the Patsy Womack daughter of Richard III who married Jonathan Kemp? I would be happy to reimburse for copies of the pages concerning Patsy.

Tuesday, January 18, 2000 at 12:50:04 (PST)
Ronald K.Womack

Concerning the Quaker nature of Abraham; In the book, Slaves in the Family, Edward Ball makes one statement (pg 111 paperback edition) that the Quakers were slave holders early on, but soon abandoned the practice. He also cites another group who tried to establish a plantation (rice growing in South Carolina)who failed in their venture for this reason.

Another interesting statement from this book had the Ball family working along with slaves at first to develop the swampy marsh land for rice cultiviation. As the plantaions grew more prosperous, slaves performed the work and the family indulged more time to leisure. I wonder if there is parallel here to Abraham who indulged in horse racing and other pursuits?

Were the Womack Bermiuda Hundred tidewater plantations devoted mostly to tobacco? Does anyone know the proximity to the Flowered Hundred planatation on the James River?

Wednesday, January 19, 2000 at 08:27:39 (PST)
David Dunn

Ronald. Someone else may have more definitive answers to your questions, but here is my try. Tobacco: I've always assumed that was the main cash crop at the time; there are references to tobacco as a crop; and, tobacco frequently was used as a currency substitute, with debts and sometimes even estates being evaluated in pounds of tobacco. "Flowered" Hundred: This I assume is what is now known as "Flowerdew Hundred", having been variously known as "Fleur de Hundred", "Flor de Hundred", "Flower Dew Hundred" and "Flower de Hundred". There is now a locale, a creek and a plantation historical site. They are on the south bank of the James about halfway between Hopewell and Claremont. Ten miles upstream, also on the south bank of the James is what was then and is now the locale of Bermuda Hundred.

Wednesday, January 19, 2000 at 12:11:58 (PST)
Jo Ann Womack Bailey

I would like to know if anyone has information on Thomas (married Louvisa Rice) Womacks Ancestors. I would appreciate any information. I have a book compiled by Oscar B.Womack that traces my line back to Thomas. My line of descent is Thomas,William, William (Big Billy),Solomon, Francis Pinkney, and James Frank, I know I must have cousins out there somewhere.

Wednesday, January 19, 2000 at 19:42:32 (PST)
Joann Linyard

I am looking for some information about Sammuel Lee Womack. He was Married in Hardeman Co. Jan.1885 to Fredonia or Fredonna Leathers.They were my great,great grandparents. I would like to find out who their parents were. I am really having a hard time finding anything out about them. Thank you

Thursday, January 20, 2000 at 08:18:33 (PST)
Roger Womack

This may be your Samuel Lee, son of William Lafayette. Let me know? He died young and I have no descendants on him.

William Lafayette Womack was born June 27, 1836 in Caswell Co., North Carolina, and died May 22, 1917 in Jones Co., Texas. He married (1) Isabella Frances Sanders November 25, 1860 in McNairy Co., Tennessee. She was born December 06, 1841 in McNairy Co., Tennessee, and died August 20, 1889 in Madison Co., Tennessee. He married (2) Mattie Ann Laxon January 05, 1897 in Hill Co., TX. She was born July 18, 1868 in Graves Co., TX, and died in Jones Co., TX.

Children of William Womack and Isabella Sanders are:
i. Commodore Stockton Womack, born September 16, 1861 in McNanairy County, TN.; died September 12, 1864 in McNanairy County, TN..

ii. Samuel Lee Womack, born November 04, 1865 in McNanairy Co., Tennessee; died September 09, 1889 in Madison Co., Tennessee.

iii. Georgia Ann Womack, born August 09, 1867 in McNanairy County, TN.; died September 01, 1873 in Cross County, AR..

iv. Prentice Womack, born December 10, 1869 in McNanairy County, TN.; died October 31, 1897 in Memphis, TN..

v. William Wallace Womack, born February 25, 1874 in Madison Co., TN.

vi. Dew Womack, born October 09, 1876 in Hardeman Co., TN; died January 20, 1943 in Jones Co., TX.

vii. Ira Womack, born October 10, 1878 in Hardeman County, TN.; died October 16, 1882 in Toone, TN..

viii. Connie Perley Womack, born May 06, 1880 in Hardeman County, TN.; died Abt. 1932 in San Francisco, CA..

Children of William Womack and Mattie Laxon are:
i. Cuba9 Womack, born April 16, 1898 in Jones Co., TX; died December 1982 in Lubbock, TX.

ii. Ethel May Womack, born April 18, 1900 in Jones County, Texas.

iii. Troy Lafayette Womack, born February 28, 1904 in Jones County, Texas.

iv. Rufus Thales Womack, born June 30, 1910 in Jones Co., TX.

Thursday, January 20, 2000 at 08:54:49 (PST)
Roger Womack

In my previous message I forgot to mention William Lafayette's second marriage to M. Laxon, I've sure questioned this, certainly possible, but he was pretty old when he started this second family and getting way up there when the last child was born. Does anyone have anything on this family?

Thursday, January 20, 2000 at 09:16:21 (PST)
Roger Womack

Thought this was interesting about Flowerdew.

Dr. John WOODSON, the emigrant ancestor of this family was among the founders of the Virginia Colony. He came to Virginia in the ship GEORGE in 1619, as surgeon to a company of British soldiers. A native of Dorsetshire. An Oxford Student in 1608. He brought with him his wife Sarah. They settled at Fleur de Hundred where their sons John and Robert were probably born.

Fleur de Hundred, now known as Flowerdew Hundred, is probably named after Temperance FLOWERDEW, wife of Sir. George YEARDLEY, Virginia's first Governor, who came to Virginia in 1619 on the same ship with the WOODSON'S.

The YEARDLEY'S owned the plantation and in 1624 sold it to Abraham PIERSEY. Flowerdew Hundred had a representative in the first House Of Burgesses in 1619 and when counties were established in 1634 it was part of Charles City County and in 1702 was included in the new Prince George County. Presently Flowerdew Hundred Foundation, 1716 Flowerdew Rd., Hopewell, Virginia 23860 owns and maintains the plantation as a Public Trust.

Sarah WOODSON was a brave pioneer woman. In the absence of her husband during the Indian Uprising of April 18, 1644, aided by Robert LIGON, she resisted an attack by the Indians, killing nine. She loaded the gun while LIGON fired, and hearing a noise up the chimney she threw the bed upon the coals, the stifling smoke bringing two Indians down, whom she dispatched. Her sons in the potato hole were saved.

Thursday, January 20, 2000 at 09:34:44 (PST)
Ann McDonald

I was putzing around on Ancestry, checking the free databases.
One of them is the WWII and Korean War deceased buried overseas.
There are 15 Womacks listed. Rather nicely they have the general
location of the burial. With that information, it should be possible
to get the exact burial details from the VA - I think it's the Overseas
Monument Commission that has those, not the VA cemetery office. Ann

Thursday, January 20, 2000 at 14:35:16 (PST)

Does anyone have any information about Francis Carroll Womack: born in 1898.
He was my great grandfather.Or John Franklin Womack? He was my great great grandfather.

Friday, January 21, 2000 at 09:51:11 (PST)
Candy Ihm

Roger Womack informed me that my great great grandfathers middle name was Mancil. I'll make the correction John Mancil Womack.
Does anyone have any information on John Mancil Womacks father, Frank Womack.
Date of birth, birth place, marriages, or his parents names?

Friday, January 21, 2000 at 10:48:07 (PST)
Roger Womack

Candy, the information I received from one of his descendants said he was John Mancil Womack, I do not have any proof of that middle name. Also I believe his father was Francis Marion Womack son of Thomas Han Womack. Francis married M.E. Millican 27sep1871, Floyd Co., Georgia (see my GA marriages on website). What I dont have proof of is that Francis son of Thomas Han Womack, is the same Francis that married M.E. Millican. I believe so, but this is where I would start searching. Any help out there would be appreciated.

Friday, January 21, 2000 at 14:40:18 (PST)
Fred Womack

Thomas Han Womack b 30 Oct 1834 d 14 Jun 1864 m Sep 1854 Rebecca Lewis b 24 sep 1832 d 28 Oct 1913,are parents of Francis Marion Womack "Frank" b22 Apr 1857 d 4 Dec 1933, m Sarah Hendley "Sally" b 5 Jul 1857 d 6 Sep 1918
Frank's children are Earnest Lee Womack b 29 Sep 1896 d 3 Dec 1954 and Ethel Womack b14 Sep 1892
John Mancil Womack is not a child of this Francis Marion Womack.

Friday, January 21, 2000 at 15:14:15 (PST)
Fred Womack

More on Francis Womack
Thomas Han Womack b 30 Oct 1834 also had a brother,Francis Womack,b 1837 who never married.Their parents were Thomas H Womack b 15 Nov 1791 ,m 1 Feb 1822 Eleanor Jones b 1807.
William Womack d 1830 and Elizabeth Shuman Inman Womack were parents of Thomas H Womack b b 15 Nov 1791.

Friday, January 21, 2000 at 15:28:49 (PST)
Roger Womack

Thank you Fred, The Francis born 1837 was the one I was speaking of. If he never married what happened to him and where did he die? The Frances that married M.E Millican in 1871 in Floyd County, GA., must be another Francis. He fought in the Civil War, according to family members so I would guess he was born before 1850,probably before 1845 so we need to figure out which one he is.

Friday, January 21, 2000 at 18:21:47 (PST)

I putzed too and came up witha a Wommack, Warmack and Waymack in additiont to the 15 Womacks.

Friday, January 21, 2000 at 19:40:26 (PST)
Linda Diane Womack Lewis

I was born 9-20-64 to Roy George Womack in Duncan Oklahoma. His mother is Beulah Womack, but I don't know my grandfathers first name. My father was born in Illinois. I'm new to this family search thing and any information on my family would be greatly appreciated. I want to know all I can for my kids and myself. Thank You,

Friday, January 21, 2000 at 20:37:55 (PST)
Roger Womack

Linda, not much to go on from your message but there was a Napoleon Womack who married second Beulah Pate. These children were all in Oklahoma, from the first marriage.

1. Napoleon Bonaparte Womack son of Riley Benson, son of James Alexander, son of James Alexander, son of Alexander,son of Alexander, son of Richard. Napoleon was born October 17, 1878 in Benton, Texas, and died August 04, 1965 in Red Oak, Oklahoma. He married (1) Nancy Della Strickland 1899. She was born May 29, 1875, and died 1938. He married (2) Beulah Pate ?

Children of Napoleon Womack and Nancy Strickland are:
i. Rose Etta Womack, born September 25, 1900 in Red Oak, OK.. She married Fitzhugh Lee Elmore; died 1963 in Glendale, CA..
ii. Mary Ella Womack, born February 04, 1902 in Red Oak, OK..
iii. Boyd Cims Womack, born August 03, 1903 in Red Oak, OK.
iv. Belvia Rhea Womack, born June 01, 1905; died in Galt, CA..
v. Daisy Ernie Womack, born January 30, 1908 in Red Oak, OK.; died December 29, 1918 in Red Oak, OK..
vi. Choice Bernie Womack, born January 30, 1908 in Red Oak, OK.; died December 25, 1908 in Red Oak, OK..
vii. David Lloyd Womack, born October 18, 1909 in Maysville, OK.; died in Denair, CA..
viii. Goldie Mae Womack, born September 20, 1910 in Maysville, OK.; died 1911 in Maysville, OK..
ix. Eddie Womack, born May 06, 1918 in Gowen, OK.; died in Wilburton, OK..

I don't have any descendants on the second spouse Beulah. Let me know if any of this sounds familiar.

Saturday, January 22, 2000 at 16:05:22 (PST)
Donna Morris

Desperately searching for any information on the parents and siblings of William or William Larkin Womack, born 1836 in Ga. or N.C. He married Martha Ferguson. They lived in Paulding Co. and then Haralson Co., Ga. Children were:John Henry, Amanda, George, and Esther. Larkin was supposed to be full blooded Indian, possibly Cherokee. I have seen a piacture of John Henry and he looks like he is Indian. John Henry married Mary Margaret Tant in 1875 and settled in Haralson Co., Ga. Amanda and Esther were in Paulding Co., Ga. I have information that Larkin's parents were John B. and Kitusah Womack, but this cannot be proven. John B. and Kitusah were listed as being from Ga. Can any one help me find this family? I have searched for 10 years and this is all I have. We have a Womack family reunion every Sunday before Labor Day in Cedartown, Ga.

Donna Renfro Morris

Sunday, January 23, 2000 at 18:48:50 (PST)

Lets do some hypothetical figuring on ancestry here... Lets say a man married a
woman who is a full blooded Native American...meaning 100% pure.
They have children who will be half or 50%---their children do not marry into
the Native American ranks; and, therefore, their grandchildren children are diluted to 25% with subsequent dilutions to almost nil--but something always remains of the NA bloodline.

On the other hand, a 50% marries a NA, and their children are now what, 75%!
one of their grandchildren marries another NA and what you got - about 87.5%.

However, there is no way on God's green earth a Womack can be 100% Native American if he or she descends from those who came here in the 1600's from England or wherever..the only way is an adoptive or someone who took the name...The looks may be there; but the blood isnt!!

Sunday, January 23, 2000 at 19:01:27 (PST)
David Dunn

Re: Flowerdew, Woodson, Quakers. The Woosdson surname was very common in the Henrico Monthly Meeting records from 1699-1720.

Sunday, January 23, 2000 at 19:23:23 (PST)
Valerie Taylor Pearson

Seeking information from news articles from Fort Sill about the death of my childrens father,Sgt. Herman D. Pearson. If anyone can help me ,it would be greatly appreciated. My children and would like some closure in this matter.

Sunday, January 23, 2000 at 19:55:01 (PST)
Alva Gregory

Seeking info. about Mary Womack Gregory.9-19-1853 7-24-1938. Married William Thomas Gregory and lived in Meigs Co. Tn. Parents; Daniel Joesph Womack Sr.
And Mary Willis. Mary was my husbands Ggrandmother. Thank you.

Sunday, January 23, 2000 at 20:06:25 (PST)
Janice Garrison Shepherd

In response to Sam's message, my branch of the Womack's poses an interest-
ing case....my grandmother, Mattie Womack, carried a paper her purse until the day she died stating that she was a Choctaw Indian.
I think I am 1/32, my Dad 1/16, my grandmother 1/8, her father James
Cornelius Womack 1/4, his father Abraham 1/2. My grandmother told me that
he was called "Injun Abe" and was known to be a "good indian" but his
brother John, had a wilder reputation. I think I may have heard a family
story of a "chief" leaving his son with a white family who were friends
to be raised, and then that boy married a daughter within the family,
however I have no facts to substantiate this. I know there are many
Choctaw Womacks....anyone else have any info?

Sunday, January 23, 2000 at 21:24:26 (PST)
Roger Womack

Alva and Sam, I have Daniel Joseph Womack Sr. as the son of Jacob and Mary Wills, I have Daniel's spouse as Mary Benson (not Mary Willis). I have their daughter as Mary Willis Womack born 1853 who married William Thomas Gregory.
Is this incorrect?

Monday, January 24, 2000 at 04:34:14 (PST)

Roger and Alva,
I have Daniel Joseph Womack Sr, b. Nov 03 1809 by some records; Bible says
Nov 14 1810; d. Oct 29, 1856; m. Feb 18, 1846, Mary Benson, b. Dec 11, 1825,
d. 1896. They did have a daughter Mary (middle name not given) born in 1853.
Her husbands name was not given. But did mention that there was one daughter, a Mrs Gregory not mentioned in the Bible--I assume this is the Mary listed without a husband. Mary Benson was possibly the second wife of Daniel, per their greatgrandaughter, with whom I corresponded in 1974.
Mary Benson Womack is buried in the Plant Cemetery, near Leslie AR.

Monday, January 24, 2000 at 04:44:47 (PST)

Donna and Janice,
Perhaps this is to whom you refer?
Amanda Womack Tribe:Choctaw Application Number: 498 Charley Womack James Womack James H. Womack Jesse Womack John B. Womack Margaret E. Womack Mary M. Womack Robert H. Womack Samuel Womack William L. Womack These were all listed as being application 498, so must be a family.

Tobia Wommick Choctaw Application Number: 954

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Monday, January 24, 2000 at 13:01:30 (PST)
Alva Gregory

Roger and Sam
Man you 2 are quick on the draw! I am quite sure my Mary's father was Daniel Joesph Womack Sr. The mother's name I not sure of. My source is 85 and recall isn't what it use to be. Mary W. Gregory is buried in one of the Gregory family plots at Decatur Cemetary in Meigs Co. Tn. [Dates 9-19-1853 7-24-1938]. My Husband and I live on the family farm where Mary and W.T. resided. I have an obit for Mary if you would like a copy.
Mary Womack m William Thomas Gregory
James [Jim] Gregory m Ethel Mae Finley
James [Max] Gregory m Cleta Mae Newman
James [Rex] Gregory m Alva Bettis [me]
Would be grateful for any info about Mary's family. I known some of her family still lives in this area. Do you know who they are? As I'm sure you can tell, I'm a beginner at this . Any advice?

Monday, January 24, 2000 at 16:45:25 (PST)
Betty Phea

On Womack genform there is a posting of a found Womack bible posted today 1/24/2000. http://www.genforum.familytreemaker.com/womack/messages/

Monday, January 24, 2000 at 18:21:15 (PST)

Go to the home page above - go to about the middle and the left side - and you will find a something there - also one of the other Womack girls married a Gregory not sure of whom but poss a daughter of a brother of Mary - There was a Tapley GRegory mentioned somewhere - perhaps this is the one that married the niece of your Mary--
Daniel J was a brother to my GGG-GF Thomas P, his father being Jacob, mother Mary Wills (even tho some misinformed people have her as her stepfathers last name Cole). Daniels Bible record has his mother listed as Mary Wills..

Tuesday, January 25, 2000 at 11:51:40 (PST)
Sam Jordan

For what it's worth, my Womack ancestors (see my Dec. 2, 1999 post) also
quietly noted amongst the immediate family that they were largely of Choctaw
descent. But they also noted that they weren't interested in registering the
fact. They had long since merged with the local community, and had no desire
to be forcibly relocated to Oklahoma. Nowadays, it's fashionable to claim to
be of Native American descent, but I guarantee you that 100 years ago, it was
better not to draw any attention to that fact.

That may be one reason that my Womacks have been so difficult to track down.
It DOES appear that they just sort of walked out of the woods one day.

Tuesday, January 25, 2000 at 14:53:46 (PST)
Candy Ihm

Does anyone know of family reunions in Oregon?

Tuesday, January 25, 2000 at 17:41:12 (PST)
Jean Reed Herbelin

As I was looking for other relatives today I saw these Womacks and thought they might help someone here.
Jean Reed Herbelin
Limestone County Cemetery Surveys
Coolidge Cemetery,Coolidge, TX

Womack D. M. 6/10/1859-7/11/1932
Womack Dealy 3/14/1866 -1/29/1931
Womack Elizabeth Rich 4/1/1896- 4/29/1983 Nana
Womack Senate Earl 8/30/1890 -7/19/1944 TX Pfc Qtrmaster Corps WW I

Tuesday, January 25, 2000 at 19:13:05 (PST)

The way I see it, any one who denies their heritage, no matter what or when, has no gripe if it is not now recognized...If I had proof that my GG-GF was of Native American heritage I would be proud--I could care less the time of the century or whatever..I cannot prove it and never will..but I put down only those who failed to point it out so others could recognize it..a shame and a blot on the family name..

Wednesday, January 26, 2000 at 05:15:52 (PST)
Glenn Womack

I have two sources of information on Abraham Womack(William1), and each one has him having a different wife. The first info I came up with has him marrying Sarah Worsham. The CD, "Some Descendants of William Womack, The Immigrant(c.1610 -c.1685)", has him marrying Sarah Summerscales. Does anyone know which way it went?

Wednesday, January 26, 2000 at 09:30:01 (PST)
Roger Womack

Glenn, Abraham's land patent of 1691 shows Sarah Somerseals as one of the people he transported into the colony. Lets say he sat on that patent for a while before filing it and she came over a few years earlier, as some argue. I still don't see how she could be the mother of his children. On the other hand, I have never seen any definitive dates or proof on the birth of Abraham's children, just abouts and circa's. From most of the dates I've seen on his children, it seems they all married later in life. That's always been a puzzle to me, I have doubts about their ages. I have Sarah Worsham as his spouse, but I've never seen any proof of either marriage. Any comments welcome.

Wednesday, January 26, 2000 at 11:34:36 (PST)
Sam Jordan

I don't know if it was a much a case of "denying their heritage" as it was of
simply choosing not to register it officially when it was "mixed" to begin with,
and doing so would get their farm confiscated and the family force marched on
foot half-way across the country during the winter to some of the worst land
in the country. The survival rate on those trips was pretty low.

Besides, they managed to pass the word down at least 4 generations of family
in my case. It may not be official, or provable, and would probably get me
laughed out of any "real" tribe, but it's good enough for me, and will get
mentioned to my grandkids the way granddad mentioned it to me. Our family
has been wandering around this country long enough to have picked up ancestors
from every region/race in the world. From a heritage standpoint, we can't
claim "membership" anywhere. I'm certain that I've got more than a few
sets of grandparents that would have sooner seen the other ones dead than have
allowed us to exist. On the other hand, I'm happy to be here, and my immediate
parents were happy to get us here. I'm curious about where we came from, but
not concerned about declaring any official heritage, otherwise, my Irish part
would be feuding with my English part vs my German & French and Native American
parts who couldn't stand my Egyptian or Vietnamese or Korean cousins.

Am I a Womack? My birth certificate says so. What'll that get me?
Nothing really...or everything...
We are partly our birth, and partly what we choose to be. I have grandparents
who made choices and took stands that I wouldn't agree with, and I've got others
that I'm in awe of. But I respect all of them, and won't allow anyone to tell
me that they didn't have the right to make the choices they made, or that they
don't deserve my respect. After all, I wouldn't be here if it weren't for them
and those choices, and I like being here and being me pretty well.

Wednesday, January 26, 2000 at 17:04:56 (PST)

Hello, cousin's. Just a little reminder. I'm into antiques, and always running across old family photo's. Most, of course, are without names. If you have any photo's of you're family's, puleeeze, write names, dates, anything you know about that person on the back. They are a treasure. And so many are lost because someone didn't take the time to label them.
Thanks, Nadine

Wednesday, January 26, 2000 at 17:06:17 (PST)
Wendy Fogelstrom

Looking for the names of the children of Sherwood Womack b.1761 d. abt 1818 and Nancy Rogers d. after 1819. I believe my GGgrandfather William W. Womack b. 1817 in Hancock Co., Georgia was one of their offspring, but I have been unable to document it. After his parents death he was raised by Otis Smith who married Martha Womack a documented daughter of Sherwood and Nancy. Any help or info very much appreciated.

Wednesday, January 26, 2000 at 18:21:02 (PST)

Hmm seems a sensitive nerve was hit, but still no guts no glory..
But that has always been my aim to hit nerves and get people talking, whether or not they like it...My pet peeve is that if you cannot prove Native American relationship on paper,documented, then you aint..leave it alone--too many wanted to put those people, original Americans, on dang reservations and forget them; now why the hades does evah one want to be one?? Really?? Money is why! Greed!! not prestige! A big joke among the Navajo in AZ, is that someone said they were Native American; the Navajos reply: I'll bet they said they were Cherokee didnt they? Nuff Sed..

Wednesday, January 26, 2000 at 18:26:38 (PST)
David Dunn

Glenn can you give more info on that CD?

Wednesday, January 26, 2000 at 19:41:07 (PST)
Ann McDonald

Wendy, well, you've got a slight problem there - Sherwood and Nancy Rogers? Womack had a son Wiley "Willie" but he was apparently their oldest kid and probably on his second marriage by 1818. So, here's the list of children, which is basically taken from his will which was recorded in Hancock Co., GA in Book K pages 249 and 250, item 4 - wife Nancy, children Willie, Mary, Rebecah, Sally, Patsy, Nancy, Lucreasy, Abraham Mitchell, Sherwood Rogers, and Aley Rogers.....in a later item he also names 3 slaves, Harriot, Ned and Bill. And that list of children was in order of age as far as I can tell from the ones I know. You could check probate records to see if there is a file detailing if the executers paid various people for board or education or something. It's entirely possible that who you have there is a cousin, not a brother....if you had said the William was b. 1795 or so, I'd say you probably had there William the half-brother of Sherwood, but 1817 is a mystery - I can tell you which Williams he probably isn't, but not which one he definately is. Ann

Wednesday, January 26, 2000 at 19:51:53 (PST)
randall w. connell

Why don't we quit debating Indian problems and get back to researching Womacks?

Wednesday, January 26, 2000 at 20:43:54 (PST)
Roger Womack

This subject comes up from time to time because many of us do have Indians in our background. And as Sam Jordan said for what ever reason they didnt want to be on the rolls or admit their heritage for reasons and problems our ancestors had to deal with. I know my Sessions who married Womacks out of Arkansas didnt want to be on the rolls for political reasons, they were politicians and ran for many offices and still do to this day, that is if Clinton will quit firing them. It just wasn't real popular to be Indian. And the fact that the Sessions had African/American in their line, also wasn't something they wanted to talk about either. I'm also proud of who I am and want my children to know their heritage, its just difficult to prove many of our Womack/Indian lines for many of the reasons listed. I just want to encourage everyone to "keep on searching", and participating, we may get some of this sorted out someday.

Thursday, January 27, 2000 at 08:56:02 (PST)
Sam Jordan

Well, I'll just relate the story as it was told to me by my grandfather, Robert
Kendrick Womack, some 30+ years ago. He told me that at at least one of his
grandparents was 3/4 Choctaw. My sister recalls the same conversation with him,
and my mother also mentioned that it was told to her. I don't know which one
he was talking about. On his father's side it could have been Alfred Jackson
Womack or Jane Denkins. On his mother's side it could have been Benjamin
Franklin Lokey (1837-1921) or Lenora Cordelia Poole (d.1891).

Now I don't know where Alfred or Jane or Lenora came from. It could have been
any one of them. I can do the math well enough to know that none of us have
any business trying to join a tribe, and I'm not interested in getting part of
anyone's casino, but I am interested in figuring out where my ancestors came
from. I don't claim this to be fashionable, but as a clue which might help me
break through some dead-end family trees somewhere in the Georgia backwoods of
the early 1800's. And I don't imagine others making similar claims are doing
any differently.

Sam, I saw your notes about registered Womack members of the Choctaw nation,
and I understand that mine aren't them and I'll accept that there's no point in
me looking there. I didn't really expect them to be registered anyway, because
if they were, we'd probably be from Oklahoma instead of Georgia. While it has
been widely reported in old westerns that all white settlers felt that the only
good indian was a dead indian, apparently in Georgia we didn't feel that way
at least until AFTER we'd been married for a few years. :-)

Thursday, January 27, 2000 at 12:17:13 (PST)
Janice Garrison Shepherd

I am just a newbie here, but I want to thank all of you who have
taken the time and effort to try and trace the Choctaw connection.It
seems to be a difficult task, but if we all pool our verbal family
histories, it may help us get enough information to solve the
mystery. I think its this kind of challenge that makes genealogy fun!
The oldest written family history I have identifies Abraham Womack,
(father of James C. Womack) as "Indian Abe" which would collaborate
my grandmother's story. The geographical areas and dates of
movement make sense. Many Choctaw people had large farms and
plantations, owned slaves, and led a very Europeanized existance
alongside the white settlers of the time. (You might want to read
some of the accounts of the educated, wealthy Cherokee families
who were forced from fine homes and land ownings and made to give
up all their possessions and walk to Oklahoma...)My family story
that a young child was left instead with a white family to be
raised makes sense to me in this situation...and if the child did
indeed marry a child of that family, the bloodline would continue
despite which one was a Womack..the heritage is so strong that we
assumed Womack (Sam is going to scream here) was an Indian name
until we started studying the genealogy.
I knew of my Indian heritage from the time I was a small child and
we were all proud of it. ( I have a picture of myself as a baby
playing with an Indian doll.) When I was in college, I spent a term
volunteering at a Choctaw School in Hartshorne, Oklahoma, to fine
out more about these people, and went to a meeting of the Five
Civilized Tribes and met the chiefs. I certainly did not go out of
greed or anything other than curiousity about my heritage...
that is what we are all trying to find out about here...European
and Native American, whatever that heritage might be.
ps...gee, Sam, I hope you aren't a dentist, because you sure hit
my sensitive nerve!

(You might find it interesting to read some of the accounts of some
of the wealthy and educated Cherokees of the time who were evicted
from fine homes and plantations and forced to give up all their
possessions and walk to Oklahoma

Oklahoma....thought provoking...)

Thursday, January 27, 2000 at 18:19:45 (PST)
Pam Gutsche

Hi to the big family of Womacks

I keep hearing about the native american blood that is spose to be in
many of us. It could be true but with out the paper work how can it
be put in writting. If a good part of the american people would just
stop and realise that if your family came over at a time early in history
many of the founding fathers would have or could have taken a native
american as a wife. So many of us have some trace of native american in
our veins. Does that make us natives no and yes. Lets just be proud that
we are americans, I know my gr gr gr grandfather William Womack was.
To all have a very good year in your research.

Friday, January 28, 2000 at 08:34:57 (PST)
Suzie Henderson

We have discovered a bible in the estate of a relative that belongs to a
WOMACK Family someplace. Our relative was a family historian but we know
of no connection to the WOMACK line. There is a paper stuck in amongst
the pages in his handwriting that says: John H.... WOMACK" but we don't
know the connection.

If the names listed below seem to be related to you, we will be happy to
return the bible to it's rightful family. Since many of these people are
probably still living, I have not posted the dates, but they are all in
the bible.

Please contact me by e-mail directly suzieh@texas.net, rather than
posting a reply. Since this is not my line, I may not be checking back
often enough to catch your response in a timely manner.

Description of the bible below:

The front cover is red and embossed with the name: Nannette WOMACK

The frist page inside reads:

Presented to Nanette WOMACK
by Nancy Ann Gaines WOMACK

Second page:

Parents Names
Husband: Wm. Lee Womack
Born: Private 193X
Wife: Nancy Ann Gaines Womack
Born: Private 193X
Married: June 17, 195X

3rd page: Births all with dates

Bernadette Ann Denton
Randy Martin Womack
Robert Ben[?] Womack
Evelynn Lydia Martin Womack
Robert Martin Womack
William Lee Womack
Richey LeeWomack
Sherrie Louise Womack
Nannette Elaine Womack
Gregory Mar...Womack
Deborah Kay Womack
Johanna Louise [?] Womack
Michael Wayne Womack
Laurie [Lauria?] Ann Womack
Jennifer Dianne Womack (Japan)

Page 4: Marriages

Randy Martin Womack to
Bernadette Ann Denton

Robert Ben Womack to
Evelynn Lydia Martin Womack

Dorothy Louise Poole Womack
William Lee Womack
[marriage date & divorce date]

Randy Martin Womack to
Nancy Ann Gaines Womack

On page 5 there are four adoptions noted with dates:

Randy M. Womack
Nannette E. Womack
Gregory Womack
Johanna Womack

and two deaths:

Deborah Kay Womack 3/21/61
Robert Martin Womack 10/10/71

Page 7 contains the following notation:

ìI was saved on July 28th 1972.
I was baptised by the Holy Spirit on August 2, 1972
This was at Whispering Oaks 4 Camp.
Praise the Lord.î

Friday, January 28, 2000 at 18:36:35 (PST)

Alla y'all peeples!!
Ah aint in not way puttin down NA's.. and I realize many of our ancestors took
NA women as wives - Ah may have one thru me mum, but cannot prove it--just a lil fam tradition--AH kin look at me GG-Gm Womack and see she werent all caucasian, but who has the key to that?? \

All ah am saying is, live with yer family traditions, be proud of them; but, as in all genealogy, proof is of the essence they say - look at them wimmen in the DAR!! oops another nerve but am no dentist and when I drill may hit nerves instead of oil!!
But, y'all gotta admit, ah did get ye'all talkin didnt ah??
and that was the whole gist of the mattah - talk pass info - 250 researchers on WGN?? wheah they at?? once in and then out and nevah to appeah agin? Nahhh!!
stick with us, we got all kinds of stuff backed up sum wheah!
BTW, if is hit a sensitive nerve on some people, apologies extended..but my intent remains..

Saturday, January 29, 2000 at 07:18:01 (PST)
Glenn Womack

I might as make my contribution to the NA issue, and then I'll go to digging up ancestor again.

Legend has it my family has some Indian blood. I would say we all do, belonging to a family that has been on this continent right at 400 yrs. The features are strong in Dad and grandma. I have no proof of it though. If I have NA ancestors, I am very proud of them, but no prouder than I would be of ancestors of another origin. I have a sister who is trying to tie up the Indian link, so I will continue on looking for Womacks and my other three family lines.

Bye for now,

Saturday, January 29, 2000 at 08:02:23 (PST)

OK go here and tell me what you think if the female...a couple of people have said that she looked more like a Melungeon than NA..


Got another will link later on on me mum's side

Sunday, January 30, 2000 at 12:59:30 (PST)
George Stuart

In 1850 Smith County, Ms. census there was a Womack and a Stone (with Womacks listed) family living next to the John Vinzant family. John's son, Edward Vinson Vinzant married Emily Womack (they lived just a ridge over to the west) and in mid 1850's moved to San Saba Co., Tx. with several other Smith Co. families. The Womack household listed: Frank Womack, 59, born in Ga., farmer ; John Womack, 28, born in Al., farmer ; Jese Womack, 36, born in Ms., farmer ; Frank Womack, 15, born in Ms., farmer ; Amy Womack, 51, born in N.C. ; Lucinda Womack, 29, born in Ms. ; Sarah Womack, 18, born in Ms. ; Elizabeth Womack, 13, born in Ms. ; & Aurela Womack, 9, born in Ms.
The Stone house hold listed: Samuel Stone, 68, born in S. C., farmer ; Jese Stone, 20, born in Ms., farmer ; Elizabeth McGee, 61, born in Ga. ; Lucinda Womack, 35, born in Al. ; and Elizabeth Womack, 18, born in Ms.
The John & Sarah Vinzant next door were 74, born in Ga. & 60, born in N.C. Is there a connection between these families other than those mentioned?
Any replies can be made to gwstuart@webmail.bellsouth.net

Sunday, January 30, 2000 at 17:49:19 (PST)

Had the following E mail tonite in a response to some incorrect info
went into one of the Womack Forums on line, not heah, and someone had
ole Major Jacob's wife same as me 4th great - then someone had her as
the proverbial wrong Mary Wills Cole - went back gently and asked them to
correct their data - got an E mail as to the following:

Thank you for your input. Could you be a little clearer with dates and places?
I have a lot of WOMACK'S and their lineage information was given to me by a
cousin on my ENGLISH side. His information I believe came both personal family
information and the Mormon Church

This is the ultimate in stupidity and idiocy as I referenced the person and etc--apparently someone hasnt their data well organized(and mine isnt the best, but??) and a direct reference to someone that someone had posted and was sent as a reply and; wow! I hope I am not related to that person!!

Sunday, January 30, 2000 at 18:29:41 (PST)
Gillian Falck

I was interested in the case in Chancery Court, Pr. Edward Co. where Margaret Womack is suing her father-in-law among others. James and Elce Archdeaacon submitted depositions.
I have never been sure who Margaret Archdeacon married, as you will see in her father's will below. I have always suspected that she was a widow by the time this will was written in 1759.
Will of James Archdeacon of St. Patrick's Parish in the County of Prince Edward.
In this will he left his son Edmund Archdeacon the land where he was living (the land would be entailed)
To his son James Archdeacon (wife Sarah Womack- my comment) 550 acres beteen the waters of the Buffalo and the Waters of Roanoak.
His Cattle Hogs etc to be divided between Edmund Archdeacon and Margaret Womack and Allie Archdeacon.
To his daughter Elinor Boose Forty shillings.
To his daughter Mary Lumpkin one shilling.

I hope this will be of help.


Sunday, January 30, 2000 at 18:48:57 (PST)
Gillian Falck

"April 16, 1683 Joseph Tanner and Richard Womack had patent for 206 acres, 20 poles N. side of Appomattox River, Bristol Parish, Henrico Co......
Due for the trancportation of 5 persons, Thos. Bayes, Richard Perrot, David Salisbury, Thomas White and Henry Boyce."

I am a descendant of Elinor Archdeacon and Thomas Boaz(Boose in James' Will)
We are looking for the origins of Thomas Boaz and I came across this the other day. I am wondering if anyone has anything further on Thomas Bayse or Henry Boyce. Either of these could be a mis-spelling of Boaz and could be an ancestor of Thomas Boaz. This is the most promising thing yet given that a couple of the Womack's married into the Archdeacon family.
Which Richard would this be - maybe Richard the Immigrant? Where did he come from anyway? and would he be the grandfather of Richard who married Margaret Archdeacon?

Sunday, January 30, 2000 at 19:37:13 (PST)
David Dunn

Gillian. First, the Chancery case. In her deposition opening the case Margaret says she was the wife of a Richard (deceased) whose father is Richard. A Jacob Womack also was a defendant, making it pretty certain these Womacks are Richard III and his sons Richard IV (Margaret's husband)and Jacob. Second, the Richard of the April 16, 1683 patent is generally thought to be Richard I which would make him the great-grandfather of the Richard who married Margaret Archdeacon. Third, whether that Richard of the patent was "The Immigrant", or the son of another Richard (who would be Richard 0) who was "The Immigrant", or the son of a William I who was "The Imigrant", or came over with either Richard O or William I or both or somebody else all of whom were immigrants, is something we have been trying to establish here for some time!

Sunday, January 30, 2000 at 20:23:19 (PST)
Ann McDonald

Gillian, curiously enough I recently got an email from Thomas Boaz, a descendant of that line. If you don't know him already, I can email you his address if you drop me a private line by email. Ann

Sunday, January 30, 2000 at 21:20:30 (PST)
Ron Womack

In the "for what its worht dept" I received a phone call back in the early 1980's by a gentleman fromOklahoma. He wanted to drill for oil on his land, but the mineral rights were owned by a Bessie Womack who he claimed was a Choctaw Indian. The NA rumor in my family was so oft repeated that we really thought/assumed we were descended from an Oklahomea Cheerokee clan and speculated that the Womack name was a different pronunciation of an NA name. The material Roger emailed really cleared things up for us.

Say, Sam, my ggrandmother was Sylvania Childress,15, and married Richmond Womack,34, in Vernon, TX, Southwest of Dallas. They moved on at some time or other to Southern California. Do you think she would be related to the Childress's of the writing of the Texas Declaration of Independence? I haven't yet found anything of the Childress line of descent. --- Just curious.

When I was in Dallas in the early 1990's, I noticed there was a Womack, Texas due South of Dallaas. Any clue as to its origin?

Monday, January 31, 2000 at 07:57:02 (PST)
Gillian Falck
dergil @doitnow.com

Thankyou David and Ann for your responses, I appreciate the time you took.

I think you have a wonderful site here, it makes interesting reading even for someone not exactly of the family.

I am happy to be able to finally put a name to Margaret Archdeacaon's husband and shall continue the search for Elinor Archdeacon's husband Thoma Boaz' beginnings. Every crumb is like a loaf of bread at this stage!

Thanks again - Gillian

Monday, January 31, 2000 at 10:55:25 (PST)
David Dunn

Gillian, you're very welcome. Keep us posted on your results. I'd especially like to know if you find a connection between Thomas Boaz/Boose and those headright folks, since it would make another Womack-Archdeacon/Cody connection.

Monday, January 31, 2000 at 18:39:42 (PST)
Ann McDonald

I was looking around the Library of Virginia site again - they have a newish database up - Letters received by the Governor during the Revolution - there is one Womack listed - a letter from Charles Womack listing slaves taken as prisoners or booty or whatever by the British. The images are available on-line - it's 2 pages.

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